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  • T. Mitchen
    Feb. 21, 2010 5:50 p.m.

    I agree with Glen Beck's books being removed. He's a disgrace.

  • V. James
    Jan. 26, 2010 10:26 a.m.

    I think you should remove Glen Beck's books immediately. How can the Church support someone who goes on air supporting murdering our President? Is he really a member of the Church?

  • c johnson
    Dec. 10, 2009 1:31 p.m.

    What does "mixed reviews" mean exactly to Deseret Book? Is that a 50/50 mixture? Does it just mean a significant amount of reviewers feel guilty after reading it? Or that reviewers have decided that little children shouldn't be exposed to it? I'm not clear.

  • Daniel Dewey
    Oct. 15, 2009 12:48 a.m.

    Wouldn't it be nice if being a BYU grad automatically meant your book should be sold by Deseret Book. If that were the case maybe my book would make some money.

    I personally don't think Vampires are a wholesome theme for Deseret Book anyway--maybe for a Halloween costume.

  • Jan
    Aug. 16, 2009 12:08 a.m.

    I am wondering why you have pulled this book while Glenn Beck remains prominently displayed in your stores. Companies like Geico, State Farm, Radio Shack, Mens Warehouse etcetra, etcetra, etcetra have refused to advertise on his show, have pulled their dollars from his vitriolic television show and Deseret Book continues to back him. Is Geico more particular than Deseret? Is a silly novel about a vampire more offensive than a political hack who calls the President of the United States a racist and compares him to Hitler. I see that he has a new book coming to your stores in September entitled Arguing With Idiots. This takes my breath away. The idiots he is referring to are democrats. If I am not mistaken that is more than half the population of the country, including myself, a democrat and a very active Mormon. I am hoping that you will rethink this. I understand selling his conversion stories but not his opinions. Shame on you! And yes, I would like a response. This is the only place on your website I cout find to comment.

  • SLC gal
    Aug. 10, 2009 7:24 a.m.

    Some of you people that are calling "Twilight" smut should take a look at another book many of you should have in your homes - The Bible.

    Whoredoms, wars, murders... makes "Twilight" seem kind of tame in comparison.

  • Danny C.
    Aug. 10, 2009 6:13 a.m.

    If this story is months old (and very much beaten to death), why is it cropping up in Recent Comments?

  • Librarian
    Aug. 10, 2009 12:20 a.m.

    Actually, young adult does mean teenager in the publishing world. However, you should still feel welcome to read them. :)

  • Reason
    Aug. 9, 2009 11:37 p.m.

    >There is really nothing deep...in it

    Maybe that's the reason. It's why it's not in my house, anyway.

  • THEeyepatch
    Aug. 9, 2009 10:43 p.m.

    Must be a slow news week.

  • ILoveReading
    Aug. 9, 2009 10:04 p.m.

    I am 27 and have read all of the Twilight books. I typically don't like scary stuff, but I thoroughly enjoyed these books. They are written for young ADULTS (it's plainly written on the book). Young adults does not mean teenagers to me and I wouldn't have been comfortable reading them as a teenager but that's just me. As an adult, I found them very entertaining fictional novels from which I even got a good message. I think if you're expecting or looking for "evil" in the world you can just about find it in everything and everywhere. You can also find good in most places if you're looking (not to be deceived, but being optimistic). It's clear these books are fictional novels and written for young adults (not teens). As for DB, they're a business and it seems to me that most of you are reading a lot more craziness, conspiracy, conservativism into a common sense move. The book doesn't need to be on the shelf there anymore. It's a small store, go to Wal-mart to buy it.

  • JanJan
    June 14, 2009 4:42 p.m.

    My mother works for Des Book in Salt Lake and she told me that Church leaders gave the order to pull the books because of the link between the LDS Church prophet Joseph Smith and witchcraft and to tell the public that the books weren't selling--when in fact they were the best selling book series Des Book have.
    What a shame--our history seems to get in our way at every turn.

  • Yeah Shirley!!!
    May 4, 2009 11:26 a.m.

    Yes Shirley . . "Would Jesus Read Twilight?" should be a new bumper sticker. I'm sure every Member who has read these books, is now struck with fear that the Celestial Kingdom is now even further away from their grasp. I just know in my heart the line outside Bishops offices statewide, nay, world wide, has been huge since DB pulled the books. All of those Members racked with guilt. They've also thrown their Diet Coke's away, and refused to watch Oprah. Shame on us all!

  • Portia
    May 4, 2009 7:59 a.m.

    I think the big concern is that parents of very young girls are fooled into thinking that because the books are written by an LDS author, they are totally acceptable for all ages.. NOT SO! I agree that the 1st 2 books were quite mild but the last 2 where she is constantly trying to seduce him and then reading of their bed antics as a married couple is totally innappropriate for YW and pre teen girls who are trying to live the new value of VIRTUE which has been added to the YW theme. Deseret needs to set the higher standard which I am glad they have.

  • Fay C
    May 2, 2009 11:50 p.m.

    As a reader of the books, I found them entertaining fictional books that you would read by the fire on a cold winters day when you wanted something relaxing and "brain dead" to do. We all need time out occassionally to jus relax. (Not too much time out of course.)
    My only comment on this matter would be that if the books have been taken out of the stores because of the moral issues, then shouldn't the on-line option also be done away with?
    To my mind there are surely some uplifting books that could fill the shelves of the Deseret Bookstores. What about another series along the lines of Gerald Lunds "The Work and the Glory."
    In the mean time - keep writing Stephanie - you obviously have talent. I must confess that I only read you books because you are a member who has made it to some degree in the literary world. Well done.

  • Shirley L.
    May 1, 2009 1:23 p.m.

    I'm guessing this discussion is long since ended, but I have to say that the reason it has become such a big deal is because those who love the books have had to stop and think about whether these books were appropriate reading material for someone who confesses a belief in Jesus Christ and his church. They don't want to think that something they have enjoyed so much could possibly fit into an "I shouldn't have read that" category.

  • Thanks much Valient
    April 29, 2009 2:12 p.m.

    Brothers and Sisters, Valient proves the point so many have been making . . .that being . . . .anything other than "church approved" material is bad in the minds of some members, inculding "Valient." In general, most of the material the Church puts out, other than the straight forward doctrinal issues and talks from general conference, is diabetic coma inducing sugary sweetness. The kind of nauseating over-acting and poorly written treacle that would make Little House on the Prarie, (even the season where the older sister goes blind), seem like Masterpiece Theater.
    Secondly, how are they promoting "questionable values?" Maybe outside of Utah County they contain "questionable values," but in the rest of the general church populace, not so much. The books have kissing scenes, and as I'm told, Utah County prohibits those activities within 20 miles of the BYU campus. So, thanks for the appeal to moral superiority Valient, but I'll take well written stories that promote courage, friendship and true love over the saccarine fiesta that is mainstream LDS fiction.

  • Valient in Faith
    April 28, 2009 4:36 a.m.

    Brothers and sisters, can`t we really find something more uplifting to read? We have the holy scriptures, and sage advice in the form of books written by the Brethren, both past and present. The Church puts out many publications and magazines that are quite edifying. Should we really be spending our time reading these books that are possibly promoting questionable values? Remember that we have been counseled "to avoid even the appearance of evil."

  • Response to Sarah Nichole
    April 27, 2009 7:54 p.m.

    Sarah Nichole: mixed reviews from WHO????? Oh wait, not the critics . . .hmmm. .who could it be . .let me think . .maybe . . .SATAN??? Every book out there has "mixed reviews." No Sarah, the "reviews" came from the Uber-Mormon crowd who think anything other than L.M. Montgomery and John Bytheway is porn. This is the same Uber-Mormon set who lecture those of us "Non-Uber's" about how satanic Harry Potter is, and how listening to any popular music aside from Jenny Jordan Frogley is sinful. So, thanks for the brilliant defense of Deseret Book's wilting under pressure as being due to "mixed reviews." Laughable.

  • Oh,GeeZzz!
    April 27, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    I love these Twilight books. This is totally insanity to pull these books from D-Book shelves. Somebody must be a little jealous of romance and apparently has none. I have seen much lower book sales and books that were never pulled from the shelves. There are books at D-Book that I would not pay a dime for. Oh, well, on to another store. Have a happy day everybody!

  • Sarah Nichole
    April 27, 2009 10:29 a.m.

    Oh, please. Did anybody actually READ the article? They stated quite plainly that the reason they're pulling it off the shelves is because it got mixed reviews. The books with lower customer ratings get pulled, while the books with higher ratings stay. That's all there is to it. Nobody's banning books, and nobody's trying to hide them from anybody. They're just not selling them because the reviews have been lower than other books.

  • Great books
    April 27, 2009 8:53 a.m.

    Banning books only makes the young girls more curious about them. Nobody likes being chained up so they have no free will. Most probably these books will continue to grow in popularity.

  • read 'em
    April 26, 2009 11:45 p.m.

    My daughter has read all the books.

    Inappropriate?

    maybe.

    Will kids read them anyway? it's called the school library and movie theaters and what their friends talk about at school and the Internet.

    Banning books has been successful how many times in history?

    good luck banning books.

    get a grip people, for all you telling Deseret book that you like their stance, take this, come the second movie, the books will be flying out of Deseret Book as if they were the last installment of Harry Potter.

  • Anonymous
    April 26, 2009 11:24 p.m.

    LOL anonymous at 7:26 (or maybe 8:26 depending on time zone) "all about natural desires even if you are a vampire." funny!!

  • Harry Potter is worse
    April 26, 2009 10:35 p.m.

    I can't believe they're pulling Twilight from the shelves at Deseret Book!

    Harry Potter is 100 times worse and goes into much darker stuff. It also uses profanity, and I still can walk into a Deseret Book and find all those books on the shelf.

    I think Deseret Book is being hypocritical by making this decision. I think they are alienating an important part of their customer base that would otherwise buy the book from their store.

    Why in the world is someone going to "special order" the book, wait weeks for it, and then go to the store and pick it up when they can walk into another bookstore, take a copy off the shelf, pay for it, and take it home and read it right then?

    To me, Deseret Book is a solidly run bookstore--they just make some really off the wall decisions that are hard to understand--this is a good example of one.

  • Re: point made
    April 26, 2009 9:21 p.m.

    You wrote (I stopped reading the last novel because it was against everything we as LDS members stand for. And those who think otherwise get out your Book of Mormon and read it!)

    Please don't condemn or judge good people who happen to enjoy the books. Who do you think you are? I and many others are LDS and do not support your views on the book and condemning others for their choices. I'll leave that to the lord!

  • tigerlily
    April 26, 2009 8:52 p.m.

    Lisa: deseret book pulled twilight but kept the host. that doesn't make any sense. deseret book sells books by non-lds authors too. but the point is that it is just a story not real life.

    point made: it is just a story. db pulled harry potter too but its still on their shelves.

  • point made!!
    April 26, 2009 7:07 p.m.

    I can't believe what I read! A missionary using Twilight as a missionary tool! I stopped reading the last novel because it was against everything we as LDS members stand for. And those who think otherwise get out your Book of Mormon and read it! As for Deseret Books SHAME on you! You need to read the books before you put them out. As for those who are reading this that aren't LDS please understand that Deseret Books is a Mormon Book store and does have books that define who we are just like a Catholic or Christian Book store. The Church doesn't need the money from the sales of this book so let another book store have it. And another thing just because a Mormon wrote something doesn't make it a Mormon book. If a Mormon jumped off a bridge does it make it alright for the rest of us to do the same??? Have a thought man!!!!

  • Lisa
    April 26, 2009 6:33 p.m.

    I have told many members of the church that although the books are popular they are also against what we as LDS members stand for. Such as Edward sneaking in Bella's room every night and being in her bed one night, plus she doesn't even think about god in this book only about living her hole eternity as a walking corps for teenage love. Is that really what we want our teenagers thinking about. Deseret Books are suppose to be a pure and healthy minded book stores so let the other book stores sell her books. So I'm glad they got pulled off the Deseret shelfs, although I think there fine for other stores as long as parents know what their children are reading. My children can read them in college when there old enough to know what their reading and if it's something they want to read.

  • Kinky lynx
    April 26, 2009 5:56 p.m.

    I agree with TOTALLY DUMB. This is quite absurd behavior with decent books like the twilight series. However, I am not in the least bit surprised though with the way they run that rinky-dink store. Maybe they will do us all a great favor and go out of business. The economy is calling Deseret book--- Please! there is no store, there is no store- Repeat after me, there is no store, there is no store ;-)

  • WAKE UP!
    April 26, 2009 2:58 p.m.

    Deseret Book has been doing this for YEARS! If you have been shopping there and not paying attention, shame on YOU.

  • Totally dumb!
    April 26, 2009 2:01 p.m.

    Banning this book from Deseret Book store shelves is down right STUPID and BIGOTED! I cannot stand some of the people here in this state, and the state that i happen to be born in. This just totally blows me away completely, and i find it all down right ridiculous and unintelligent! Shame on DB store. I will take my business else where. I hate finger pointers and pin the name on someone who has done nothing wrong..shame, shame, shame!

  • Scott
    April 26, 2009 1:02 p.m.

    The shopper quoted in the article names 'depth' along with 'sadistic' and 'evil' as qualities that might get a book labelled objectionable. Is this what LDS readers have come to? Or just Deseret Book? What an impoverished culture.

  • Annie
    April 25, 2009 9:23 p.m.

    I loved the Twilight books. I cannot understand what all the fuss is over with the Deseret Book store!??! Someone needs to get a grip on reality and leave this BOOK ALONE!. This is so dumb and too lame. I think I am with the -B-team of people on this post.

  • Amy
    April 25, 2009 6:01 p.m.

    Do mormons hold sacredness to twilight just as they do the bom? Better of sticking to the bible, it will get you to where you are yearning. You need to leave the other hoodoo-voodoo alone; look at what these books and the attitudes they create do to yourselves and your culture.

  • Ruffled feathers
    April 25, 2009 5:34 p.m.

    pushy, know it all ~A~ group.

  • Anonymous
    April 25, 2009 5:06 p.m.

    Just because some people don't like the books,does not mean they sould take the choise from the rest of us that like to shop at Deseret Books. Twilight is one of the few books in this world that you can get romance, adventure, suspence and action, and still have it be clean. It is just a story nothing to get worked up over. Im LDS and can't wait to read it with my daughter.

  • Anonymous
    April 25, 2009 3:18 p.m.

    I'll bet "the church" is more than willing to take her 10%, no questions asked...

  • "It's just a story Bella"...
    April 25, 2009 12:41 p.m.

    What is it exactly that makes this series so appealing to some and yet so appauling to others? Everyone will need to answer this question for themselves.

    It may be just a story but the message is much more than that. It appeals to women of all ages and nationalities.

    Deseret Book is a "for profit" book store. If this were a religious battle, do you really think they would offer to place orders for you? duh....

  • Why I never!
    April 25, 2009 12:40 p.m.

    No way! You are dead WRONG! 12:03--- The 'A' group are the ones who SNEAK around to have their caffeine drinks and cokes, and then they act all pious about it....I have seen this happen many times with my own eyes. The 'B' group on the other hand are openly guzzlers of Red Bull and other energy drinks, and are proud of it and do not care what others may think or say about them. They are also use to the 'A' group gossiping and spreading stuff around the ward about them....so what the heck.

  • Diverse Opinions
    April 25, 2009 12:03 p.m.

    Group A = Root Beer
    Group B = Diet Coke

  • Thanks
    April 25, 2009 11:20 a.m.

    I agree with 7:32 p.m. After reading this whole blog I would have to say that group B seems like they are the only ones on track. Group A needs to repent.

  • tigerlily
    April 25, 2009 9:30 a.m.

    this isn't the first time that db has done something like this and it won't be the last.

  • Neurotic Group A
    April 25, 2009 9:14 a.m.

    Sounds like group A is quite Judgmental of group B and very much enjoys gossiping, whining and making up lies about their normal sisters and brothers. It makes them feel powerful to manipulate the truth.

    Group A are picking on the Twilight books now out of jealously. Some are sorry that they don't get the gold from it's high book sales. Pick, pick, pick-- haven't YOU anything better to do?

  • re: 5:10 PM
    April 25, 2009 6:25 a.m.

    Nice attempt at salvaging your image. As for helping you to prove your point --- come again? What point is that? That you yourself placed your fellow members into nice little boxes and then chaff at my suggestion its not a wise thing to do? As for - "If ye are not one, ye are not mine." It was an appropriate comment considering the division your original post attempted to create. Please stop trying to rewrite what you wrote the first time. It was very easy to understand. I challenge you to stop with the "us vs. them" attitude and the next time you find yourself placing people into categories, just stop. It says more about you than it does about anyone else. If this is REALLY about live and let live are you not able to purchase the book elsewhere? Then how has this decision stopped ANYONE from living? Much ado about nothing strife created unnecessarily which will not effect the decision of DB at all. No amount of reposting changes the content of the original post. I stand by my original comments. Oh, and Ill be sitting next to you in church on Sunday. See ya tomorrow.

  • Anonymous
    April 25, 2009 2:23 a.m.

    Sounds like group B is a tinsey bit self righteous.

  • lol!
    April 24, 2009 7:51 p.m.

    TO: 7:32 p. m. OOOOOOOOOOOOH, PUULLLEEEAAASSSSSEEEEEE!!! spare us all the malarkey! Get down on off your rocking horse and grow up.

  • Good, Better & Best...
    April 24, 2009 7:42 p.m.

    How in the world did this get into the news at all?
    An owner of a store should be allowed the choice as to what they will and will not sell.

    Those stores are only so big...and there are good books, better books and best books...and perhaps they would rather use the room for what they consider the best books...which is what I would expect from the Church of Jesus Christ.

    I admire them for the bar they raise.

  • Re: 5:10 p.m. April 24, 2009 .
    April 24, 2009 7:32 p.m.

    You say "Live and let live"? This story is written because someone didnt live and let live. Certain people went to DB and complained. Thats not letting others live and make choices.

    You say I'm Grouping people? This is a message board and I made a QUICK generalized point about what I have observed. Its the truth. I also see the good in others and strive to be like the savior.

    Lastly to your judging and condemning comment, I'll quote you...

    (Word of unsolicited advice: to those who are so ready to place people in groups -- including themselves -- "If ye are not one, ye are not mine.")

    Thanks for proving my point!.


  • Anonymous
    April 24, 2009 7:26 p.m.

    There is nothing immoral in these books. Sexual desire is a God given gift to be used within marriage. These books are very clear about that. I'm thrilled that this message is being read by millions of young girls all over the world. If he truly loves you, he will protect your virtue and wait until you're married. Grow up people, sex is a part of a normal, loving marriage. Self control is vital before marriage, whether you're a vampire or not!!! It

  • Shirley L.
    April 24, 2009 6:06 p.m.

    First we abhor, then we accept, then we embrace.

  • To Group A B &C
    April 24, 2009 6:02 p.m.

    There are many groups of LDS members within the Mormon church. There are those who pretend about everything they do, and those who wonder what the heck they are doing and what is truly going on? There are some members who are big emotional vampires, and space cadets who scare the ever living daylights right out of me. This kind of members are much worse than the Twilight books. They drain the spirit right out of me. I cannot afford to be drained every Sunday of this absurd behavior.

  • Kort.
    April 24, 2009 5:39 p.m.

    For All those who believe this had innappropriate content and should not have been sold in DB in the first place. I have personally bought explicit romance novels from the DB shelves So if thats what your worried about you got rid of the wrong books. But Like everyone has said the Twilight saga has been around for quite sometime and it is time to move on to other interesting books. There are plenty out there.

  • to 4:43
    April 24, 2009 5:14 p.m.

    Lets keep blind folds over all the kids eyes. That is what the church is about. No free will, and be sure and take it away from them before they have chance to experience life on their own. Sooner or later they will see through all of you.

  • To the Great Divide
    April 24, 2009 5:10 p.m.

    As a life long member, it has never occurred to me to place people I have met in the church into such nice little boxes like "Group A" and "Group B". Honestly, I find people a little more complicated than that and much more interesting once I get to know them better. How interesting you seem to think that everyone is in either one or the other group -- of your own making, I might add. If there is a divide, it appears to be more within some of your own hearts. You cant live and let live. I couldn't care less if youre more traditional in your views or more liberal. I take what is good about a person and ignore (or at least try to ignore) their follies and weaknesses and hope they do the same for me. Word of unsolicited advice: to those who are so ready to place people in groups -- including themselves -- "If ye are not one, ye are not mine."

  • not in happy valley
    April 24, 2009 5:09 p.m.

    I can't believe that this is such a hugh deal. if you don't like the books or feel it is "BAAAAAAD" for you or your kids to read then don't read it. For myself I loved the books and I read them all more then once. My daughter and one of my sons read it. I live in a house of teenages and early 20's and all of the selfisness and lies are all here, if you think that teens would never act this way or what a bad example honestly stop fooling yourself, did you all forget what you were like as a teen in love and what you did or didn't do.
    Remember this story is fiction, IF DB wants them off the shelf then so be it, there is a time and season and this is last years style. Stephanie Way to go I loved reading your books including the Host. I wish she would publish "Midnight Sun". And by reading Her books just reminded me that I married my "Edward" sometimes it is to easy to forget that

  • Get over yourselves
    April 24, 2009 5:04 p.m.

    Only a real loser could pick the Twilight books to pieces, and probably someone with the mentally of a slug that has been infected with a parasite.

  • To re: Shirley L.
    April 24, 2009 4:43 p.m.

    One thing you have to remember is that we all have an opinion, and we are negligent if we do not express it! Things in our country right now are going on that will lead us to tyranny if we don't stand up and support our love of country. This I say as an example of needing to express our opinion. I have a niece who, when we talked about the Twilight books, thought they must be ok because Deseret Book sells them. I have NO control over what Deseret Book does. It was their choice. You could have sent them a letter telling them how much you love the Twilight books and were glad they sell them. That would have been your choice. The young people of the church are becoming more blind to the evils in the world as years progress and it's time we go back to our roots and cherish virtue and anything praiseworthy! My advice to you is to voice your opinion, but first, examine it. IF these books encourage young women to be in questionable situations with young men, it is not of God. I bear you no ill will.

  • ?
    April 24, 2009 4:41 p.m.

    Did any of you happen to see that even though Deseret Book will not be putting these books of the shelves, you can still buy them as a special order!!! Seems to me like they still want the money from sales, put they don't want to promote the book by putting it out for the public. I don't care wether they sale these books or not, but I am disapointed in Ms. Dew for allowing this to happen.

  • Anonymous
    April 24, 2009 3:13 p.m.

    The B group is judging the A group, so I don't want any part of either of those. I will be a "C" group Mormon!

    And I will read whatever books I want to.

    LOL!

  • The Twilight ZoNE
    April 24, 2009 2:24 p.m.

    Well RICK belongs in the A group, and I really dislike penguins, puffer frogs, and toads.

  • To Group B 1:14
    April 24, 2009 2:04 p.m.

    It kinda looks like you need to practice what you preach on here. I find this whole A B C a mass of confusion within the Mormon church. You people don't know whats up or down.. Ha ha! Maybe you all need to learn your ABC before you go around judging other humans.

    There are NO superior people on this blog!

  • Rick
    April 24, 2009 1:39 p.m.

    My wife and I have read all three of these books, and then decided it really wasn't something we wanted in our home so we're giving our copy of the first one away. I have young daughters, and while this book is tame compared to others that are available, it's still not something I'd want my daughters reading. The main character obsesses about sex, has her boyfriend sneaking into her room to sleep (with clothes on) with her all night, and jokes with her in-laws about how they smash up furniture during their sexual romps. So many young girls obsess over the romantic nature of this book, but whether they actually have sex or not before their marriage, it still focuses on physical romance. That's not what I want my girls to think love is!

    So I think it's good it's pulled from Deseret Book. You can still buy it somewhere else, so don't raise the censorship flag. But it doesn't belong in an LDS bookstore.

  • Group B Rules!!
    April 24, 2009 1:28 p.m.

    I am definitely a Group B Mormon and have learned to find a great deal of humor and enjoyment out of watching and listening to Group A's rather than bristling from their close-mindedness and predictions that satan can be found around every corner. I have even learned to tactfully speak up in church to add balance and reason to the fundamentalism of Group A. It has proudly placed me on the do-not-call-to-gospel-doctrine-teacher list but it has also made church attendance immensely more enjoyable. I think there is also a Group C - those members who don't really care at all and could not even tell you why they still attend. At least A's and B's have passion about the Gospel even if expressed in a conservative versus liberal way.

  • Re: P0rn for Women
    April 24, 2009 1:27 p.m.

    You're joking right? LOL!

    All I have to say is, I certainly hope that DB has pulled these for financial reasons and not because they were deemed "inappropriate." I really, really hope.

  • Group B
    April 24, 2009 1:14 p.m.

    To YES YES YES!

    No! No! No!

    You don't get it.

    Putting church on TV "for those of us who feel uncomfortable around the totally superior, holier than great ones at church" is exclusionary, elitist (in its own way), and partakes of the spirit of Group A.

    In Group B, we are "familiar with all and free with our substance." We judge righteous judgment rather than condemn people because they don't conform to the outward appearances of the Group A holier-than-thou marathon. Like Jesus, we associate freely with others regardless of their "worthiness". This includes the Latter-day Pharisees (Group A) as well as all the "sinners" who are rejected by Group A.

  • YES YES YES!
    April 24, 2009 12:56 p.m.

    AMEN TO..GROUP(B) 12:40, 12:33, 11:58, 11:57, 1132, 10:23. A much better LDS church and world with those who think as you do.

    Um, maybe there should be church on TV now for those of us who feel uncomfortable around the totally superior, holier than great ones at church. Just an idea.

  • re: Shirley L.
    April 24, 2009 12:52 p.m.

    Shirley, I am sure you have your beliefs, but it is a self-righteous act to write DB and ask them to pull a young adult book from the shelves. This is your OPINION. Believe it or not, people have a different opinion than you and we should not suffer the consequences of your "feelings". I am sure we have more in common than not, but you may be surprised to find a majority of members disagreeing with you on this. Not whether the book should be pulled even, but that you should have any influence on it. We make our own decisions in parenting. Thank goodness. We can disagree, but you don't need to try and affect good members of the church who happen to parent differently than you. I'm not trying to change your opinion of the book, just don't write letters to make a change to something that affects good members. You are probably on the far end of the "conservative" spectrum (speaking fundamentally and not politically) of church members and you don't realize it. The Savior was much more "moderate" than you may think.

  • Group B
    April 24, 2009 12:40 p.m.

    Group A feels they are the only "true" believers. They think they are the righteous and legitimate members of the Church. But they are today's Pharisees. We in Group B need to speak up. We must follow directly and carefully in the footsteps of Jesus Himself. He condemned the Scribes and Pharisees as hypocrites. Those accusations apply today to Group A. Jesus condemned the fanatical, extreme, detailed "letter of the law" zealots who set themselves up as more righteous than others. Jesus criticized those who do their alms (worship) in public (showing off in the Wards). Jesus disapproved of those who make pretentious, flowery prayers and talks (showing off). Jesus condemned those who brag about their fasting, temple attendance, and all the righteous things they do. Jesus censured those who display their riches (blessings) in fancy clothes, cars, and homes. Jesus said, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. We need to do likewise.

  • a' B ' Mormon
    April 24, 2009 12:33 p.m.

    Yeah, it's time to crawl out of the closet and smell the roses. It all makes for a much more emotionally stable and happier Mormon.

  • To the Great Divide:
    April 24, 2009 11:58 a.m.

    I have the same problem! It is so hard to continually try to disassociate myself from the Group A people. There are plenty of Group B people, but they don't like to make themselves found at church activities. Makes life harder for them to be known as Group B'ers among the Group A'ers.

    I think that the divide is growing. Although it is possible that is only seems that way because these days with message boards and things people actually get their opinions out in the open rather than keep them to themselves. Even 20 years ago there weren't as many ways for Mormons to discuss these kinds of things out in the open like this. Perhaps there has always been a huge divide, but it just seems larger because Group B is finally coming out of the woodwork.

  • "B" is better & happier
    April 24, 2009 11:57 a.m.

    Re: 11:32, A BIG "DITTO" ON THAT. I totally agree with you. I am also from the "B" group and happily so. It is much better to have an open mind and not go around shunning and judging others. There are too many pompous LDS who have nothing better to do then to be arrogant about absolutely nothing.

    I enjoyed reading the Twilight books, and I think it was wrong for Des-Book to take them off their shelves.

  • THE GREAT DIVIDE
    April 24, 2009 11:32 a.m.

    There is a divide in the church.

    Group A - Staunch, strict, judgmental, ultra conservtive.

    Group B - Open minded, accepting, liberal.

    In my opinion Group A gives the church a bad name and makes group B annoyed and less involved in church activities/meetings.

    I meet people from all over the World weekly and I'm always asked if I'm Mormon. I have to give a detailed response to disassociate myself from group A because I don't share the same views as they do.

    This divide is growing. Anyone else have thoughts?

  • To 10:23
    April 24, 2009 11:08 a.m.

    Which Mormon woman are you talking about? We are not all wackos like those who whine about (TWILIGHT BOOKS) Some of you need to to get some good mental help, or get off your DRUGS!

  • Oh really
    April 24, 2009 10:53 a.m.

    Re: Anita high and mighty.....

    However, it's ok for you as long as you say so-huh? It seems to me from reading the news lately that our schools are more unsafe, run by sex perverts, child molesters and murderers rather then that of a simple fairytale book called Twilight. Maybe you had better work on cleaning up the minds of your staff members at school rather then ridding a fairytale book from your silly shelves.

  • haha
    April 24, 2009 10:23 a.m.

    I agree with Mormon Woman

  • Shirley L.
    April 24, 2009 10:12 a.m.

    I can tell you all that I am one of I don't know how many who sent letters to Deseret Book saying we didn't think they should sell the Twilight Boooks.
    These books are sensual. If you don't think so, you have been watching too many pg-13 movies.
    Would any of you want your 14 year old doing the same things that happen in the Twilight books?
    Because even 12 year olds are enjoying these books and getting hooked on them. They will think that it is ok to lay around with your boyfriend doing the things that happen in the book. We are giving our young women the information that it is ok...and if she slips and actually goes all the way, how will you feel.

  • liverpool1
    April 24, 2009 10:05 a.m.

    Stephanie Meyer went to BYU and is a LDS member if I am correct. So if she is still a LDS member then she would most probably paying her 10% tithings would she not. I don't hear one word about the Church getting money from Steph for the sale of her books. Get a life guys and pull your LDS heads out of the Utah sand for once. Just because there are a few LDS members in Utah who are jumping up and down over these books they don't like. I bet the one's who don't like the books are the one's who went out and purchased the Returned Missionaries Calendar.

  • Stop griping!
    April 24, 2009 9:56 a.m.

    I would never join a church who has people who try to CONTROL the lives of others. You people are something else.
    I read all the twilight books and there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of them. However, I CANNOT say the same thing for some of the neurotic LDS members.

  • re: ominous
    April 24, 2009 9:49 a.m.

    I think the phrase is "A George divided against itself cannot stand."

  • Mormon Woman
    April 24, 2009 9:46 a.m.

    Wow...it's just a book people. Go buy it somewhere else.

    Don't all of you Mormon women have anything better to do? Are your lives SO boring that your whole life is destroyed because your precious bookstore won't sell vampire books? Don't you realize that the rest of the world laughs at you because you've got so little to think about other than babies and church callings that you argue about a teen book being sold in a church book store? There are WAY more important things you could be discussing right now.

    Oh and I an LDS woman too. But I'm Mormon because I believe in the gospel, not because I enjoy the company of Mormon women. It's sad to me that you all bicker about pointless things like 14 year old girls. Grow up and get a hobby or something.

  • Anita Read
    April 24, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    Twilight should not be at DB Period. It should never have been there in the first place. I read the first book and didn't enjoy it at all. I am an elementary librarian and read it to see if it should be a part of my library - and I knew why not! I just can't understand why a reader would enjoy these books. With characters like Bella and Edward (perfect vampire with glistening skin who loves the smell of Bella's blood) why would anyone relate to them? I loved Harry Potter because of his basic personality and ability to love. There are so many better choices to make on which books to read. No child should be allowed to read these books and they are definitely not a books that should have ever been at Deseret Book Store!

  • TNB
    April 24, 2009 9:07 a.m.

    LDS history has more VILE garbage in it then the Twilight books could have ever think of having written in them. Go read Brigham Young.

  • so dumb!
    April 24, 2009 9:04 a.m.

    these books are not inappropriate in anyway!! LDS has had many many more books so much more explicit, its a novel! get over it mormons

  • tigerlily
    April 24, 2009 8:36 a.m.

    hey fantasy reader where in the books did the werewolf abuse bella?

  • Lame and Lame
    April 24, 2009 12:40 a.m.

    If the twilight books offend you, you live an unstimulating, depressing existence. It's fluffy reading for corny teens.(All Teens) The good news should be that your kids are reading. A love for books doesn't always start with the "Great Gatsby." They'll mature. Offended parents, will you?

  • Anonymous
    April 24, 2009 12:31 a.m.

    Thank you Anti-PC! Maybe if kids read something that actually has substance (ie. defying the illuninachi, bearing a vampire baby, finally tying the knot with your dreamy(but dead)boyfriend, and becoming wealthy, fabulous, and gorgeous, is NOT substance!!), they won't turn into the slobering idiots that infest our schools today.

    It's called education.

  • Anti-PC Infidel
    April 23, 2009 11:53 p.m.

    Good. That will save room for real literature.

  • tigerlily
    April 23, 2009 11:30 p.m.

    the twilight series are great books. my now 12 year old grandson read them and he read them at school. so if he can read them in school why can't deseret book sell them. personally i hink they made a stupid move but hey like was said there are other stores that do sell them and sell alot of them

  • K
    April 23, 2009 9:59 p.m.

    Harry Potter isn't done yet.

    There is always increased activity at each new movie release. If JKR writes another series it will have some interest again.

    The same is true for Twilight.

    We saw this phenomenon at the library and the bookstores see it as well.

    The store doesn't have a moral obligation to sell it off the shelves. They can always order it. I doubt it's cost effect for the consumer to order it through them when they get it cheap and immediate some place else.

  • mjt9
    April 23, 2009 9:51 p.m.

    Lets trust their wisdom.

  • Hey
    April 23, 2009 9:33 p.m.

    I read the first book and saw the movie...this author plays women, young girls like a fiddle...you know, clumsy girl who doesn't have any attention in Arizona, then goes up to the northwest and absolutely every male is in love with her...and especially the perfect Edward...except for his one flaw. I couldn't take it any more...the self depreciation went on and on. Also it is rather depressing when upon leaving the theater, we are faced with the imperfection of our own beings and those around us.

  • Concerned gospel sister
    April 23, 2009 9:32 p.m.

    There is always room for discussion, but for those of us who are members of the church this discussion really surprises me. Not the topic, but the venom in some of the comments. We are suppose to love one another, even when we disagree with each other. Can't we disagree with each other without negative comments?

    By the way I couldn't care less if they removed it or not. No one has asked us as members not to read the book. The book is easily available, in fact it's probably easier to buy it at the grocery store than to go to Deseret Book. So there really isn't any censorship

  • Anonymous
    April 23, 2009 9:26 p.m.

    You can see stacks of Harry Potter books for sale in stores and what is the point if everyone already has them or has read them? These fads run their course and then it's time to move on.

  • Marketer
    April 23, 2009 7:46 p.m.

    All of this nonsense is quite entertaining! I can't believe that you don't recognize this "pulling" of the Twilight books for what it is...a BIG MARKETING PLOY! DB and SM agreed to do this to create attention that would make her books even more popular than they already are! It seems to be working!! You all have been roped into this charade!!! I love it!

  • Define "nothing wrong"
    April 23, 2009 7:40 p.m.

    I see a lot of people see "nothing wrong" with the books. (I have not read them, not my type of book)

    I guess you need to clarify the meaning of "nothing wrong".

    My son thinks there is "nothing wrong" with his girlfriend working at a porn shop.

    I am disgusted by it. So much for trying to teach him respect for women. He doesn't see it as being disrespectful. But that is how our kids are these days.

    It's just the times, everyone says. If the world we live in today is "just the times", I hate to see what our future has in store for us.

    Also, Costco does not have the books anymore and they won't order it for me. Who can I complain to??

  • Stenar
    April 23, 2009 7:35 p.m.

    It's surprising that they're still carrying "The Host." I think of the Twilight books as PG rated, while "The Host" seemed more PG-13.

  • careful
    April 23, 2009 7:34 p.m.

    This is a good move for dozens of reasons.

  • Anonymous
    April 23, 2009 7:18 p.m.

    Can't you get a better price at Wal-Mart anyway ?

  • re: ominous
    April 23, 2009 7:14 p.m.

    "a house divided against itself cannot stand"

    Response:

    Agreed, but, "The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life" (2 Cor. 3:6).

  • umm, 2:20 ...
    April 23, 2009 6:59 p.m.

    at least you're man enough to admit that your wife preferred the book! ... :_)

  • ominous signs seen here
    April 23, 2009 6:58 p.m.

    "a house divided against itself cannot stand"

  • Uptight Sisters
    April 23, 2009 6:56 p.m.

    Wow, I am floored. I think that those that would call these books pornography are the same "Sisters" that won't let their kids read Harry Potter, dress up for Halloween, or let their daughters go to prom because their 16th birthday is two days after the dance. Your houses are spotless, your kids, according to you, are better than anyone else, and you think intimacy is only for when you want to create a baby. You are uptight and insecure and it all gets put on your husband and kids.

  • K
    April 23, 2009 6:55 p.m.

    A book where the main couple wait until marriage to be "close" is refreshing. She even managed to let them have a child for heaven sakes!

    Pulling them all at all stores seems odd. I wonder if they aren't getting a good enough cut from the sales and special ordering them to keep people happy.

    More money for Amazon. With more movies set to come out they are about to loose a lot of cash.

  • re: Porn for Women
    April 23, 2009 6:41 p.m.

    My wife was much more affectionate to me after reading these books. Does she have another series coming? These have been great for our marriage.

  • Evil Canon
    April 23, 2009 6:38 p.m.

    So, when Moses held up the symbol of the snake for all to gaze upon, should that have been left out of the bible because it was an Eqyptian symbol for a god, yet was meant to represent Christ? How could Moses possibly leave that in for us to read? How can we have the story of Samson and Delilah or David and Bathsheeba, or the entire book of Ether in the scriptures? Don't these represent examples that we do not want our youth to follow? Why do the Gospels mention Jesus standing up for the prostitute when she was going to be stoned? Doesn't that show that it is OK to be a prostitute and that you won't be punished? Why do we have the story of the sons of Jacob raping a prince's daughter in the book of Genesis? What about the daughter of Herodias's dance? Or the Priests taking the Lamanite daughters? Let's take these sections "off the shelf" of the scriptures and off of lds.org. Makes sense, eh?

  • re: Loralee
    April 23, 2009 6:27 p.m.

    No, people don't assume that. Maybe just you made that mistake. My 14 yr old loved the books and is plenty mature enough for them. We have had good discussions on them. I am sure that many 14 yr olds are not old enough for them.

    Don't make a blanket statement that only applies to you.

  • Frustrated Husbands
    April 23, 2009 6:24 p.m.

    For all of you Sisters that think these books can possibly be called porn, I feel very sorry for your husbands. The church was never meant to be a place to "narrow" your mind and to be so prudish. Go home tonight and give your husband the night of his life and stop worrying about nonsense.

  • Eduardo
    April 23, 2009 6:14 p.m.

    I think it is very hypocritical on the part of Deseret Book. I once went to a Desert Book here in Utah and did now know "Forrest Gump" had so many "F" words and right after buying one at DESERET BOOK in SLC I read the first pages and went back to the store and complained that they would sell it. They offered to give me the money back. I refused because I was going to spare someone else from buying by destroying the stupid thing. I just thought it should not be on the shelves like Harry Potter, that teaches children to lie and that paganism is cool. I feel sorry for the heads of Deseret Book. The Church (as in the Prophet and Apostles, the institution) has better things to think about but the administration of the store it owns have serious problems. Stephanie Meyers might be very disappointed and with reason. Hopefully she will understand because the only losers are the administrators that got offended with whatever she said or did that they did not like.

  • Selling the bible
    April 23, 2009 6:13 p.m.

    Boy do I agree. The bible is full of more abhorrent things than Twilight.

    PLEASE.

  • give me a break
    April 23, 2009 6:01 p.m.

    All of you who are complaining that this storyline doesn't represent "real love" are cracking me up. Since when was fiction held to that standard? Cinderella? Snow White? Jasmine? Ariel? Grease? My Fair Lady? Roman Holiday? Oh, right. Those are all examples of what real life and love are like.

    lol

  • Loralee
    April 23, 2009 5:55 p.m.

    I'm with you Deseret Book, I've read them all and they are not for anyone under 16. The problem is that people just assume that because the author is LDS that the book is for anyone.

  • What?
    April 23, 2009 5:53 p.m.

    OK so you can still order the book's but you can't buy it off the shelf ?? Very odd, strange and weird business decision. I really do not care about the series, since all the series really is, is a cheap re-make rip-off of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" in low-ride jeans. But very goofy that you can ORDER the books but you can't buy them off the shelf? I guess perception is what matters.

  • Control freaks
    April 23, 2009 5:30 p.m.

    You cannot control the lives of LDS members by pulling a harmless book (Twilight) from the shelves of a book store because there happen to be a few "narrow minded" control freaks within the church. Deseret Book is making themselves look mighty foolish. This stuff doesn't roll over well with LDS members.

  • Deal with it!!
    April 23, 2009 5:24 p.m.

    Just go to another store!! I haven't read the books so I don't know what it's like, but if you are really that desperate to find the books just go to another store!! Honestly!

  • JJ
    April 23, 2009 5:23 p.m.

    Agency. I have it. you have it. DB has it. They decided it was in their best interest not to shelve Twilight. You can still read and buy it.

  • Losers are abusers
    April 23, 2009 5:16 p.m.

    Deseret Book owners need to be FIRED and run out of town! This is the lamest thing that i have read in a long time. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH ANY OF THE TWILIGHT BOOKS WHATSOEVER!

  • Anne
    April 23, 2009 4:57 p.m.

    If anybody thinks the Twilight books are porn, boy do you ever have a warped mind. I am truly sorry for your mental disturbances, and I have never heard of such nonsense...and neither have you ever read the books.

  • Aaron
    April 23, 2009 4:54 p.m.

    Too bad, I'd think they would be honored to have a best-selling LDS author on the shelf.


    Does everything at Deseret Book have to be rated-G?

  • Oh my goodness
    April 23, 2009 4:48 p.m.

    I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints I am a church attending temple going married woman. I have read the Twilight series and have absolutly enjoyed all 4 books. I found nothing wrong with them at all. I have also seen the Twilight movie and am anxiously looking forward to New Moon coming out in November.. In my eyes I love the story line and I love how well the novels are wrote... I also like how abstenece is in almost every book... I liked the books so much I also baught them on CD so that I could listen to them in the car I listen to them alot... I think that Deseret Book did what they did for a reason but we do not have any answeres as to why they did what they did, I also think that if you do not think it is appropriate for your teen to read it that is your opinion as for myself I find it a good book for my teenage kids... Our kids are exposed to much harsher realities at school.... Give the books a break......

  • To LOL
    April 23, 2009 4:07 p.m.

    Who asked for your 2 cents worth?

    I like the Twilight books, and would advise all women who like good romance novels to go buy the books. Go to WalMart if needs be. Perhaps Costco or Sams Club, as well may have them. Skip the Deser-Book trap.... There are many other book stores. Even better you can buy them online.

  • Southern Utah LDS Girl
    April 23, 2009 4:00 p.m.

    To all the men/women who are calling this book porn get a grip! I read it and i still find my husband the best man in the world. And if your wives are fantisizing about it then their are probably some issues in your marriage that need to be worked out.... Stop blaming it on the book!

  • LOL
    April 23, 2009 3:56 p.m.

    I have had an amazing time reading ya'lls messages. I think its time to quit now. GET A LIFE!!!!!!

  • Southern Utah LDS Girl
    April 23, 2009 3:49 p.m.

    Well first off I found the books to be very entertaining to read! Thank you Stephanie Meyer! And to all of the narrow minded by the book mormons who are ultra conservative, chill out! You don't have to like them or read them but don't judge or condemn me for my choices! It's crazy! Just leave us alone! This book talked of nothing but love and respect for the person they loved. In the book they did NOT have sex till they were married which if I'm right the LDS church teaches. Also the book taught about true chivalry, true friendship, and family. The twilight series and movies will ALWAYS have a place in my LDS home also! And to every person who thinks their teens/children shouldnt read these books, take a good look at the Harry Potter series- violence, magic, black magic, murder, killing, romance, magical creatures,and cults. Also looking at Lord Of The Rings pretty much the same stuff! I'm not saying these series are bad. Personally I loved both and have and will watch all the movies! Stop being so judgemental & narrowminded & let us have our free agency!

  • Ally
    April 23, 2009 3:45 p.m.

    The author is Mormon... i HIGHLY doubt that she would write a book that is inappropriate. Having read the entire series, i found them to be totally appropriate for anyone over the age of 12. She is sending a lot of great messages in the books. Im thinking that people should read the books before they pass judgment. Books shouldnt be banned, responsibility lies with the parents. I'd let my kids read them and i'm pretty strict.

  • Deseret Book
    April 23, 2009 3:40 p.m.

    Large NOSTRILS says it all!

  • Got mine ....
    April 23, 2009 3:37 p.m.

    I don't usually buy books from DB -- too expensive. I go to Seagull or Amazon :-)

  • Letter or Spirit of the Law
    April 23, 2009 3:33 p.m.

    To you Pharisees who have no context of our mortal state, and therefore see Twilight as a porno, inappropriate book, you scare me. I am LDS and have served in the church all of my life. There is a constant struggle between the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. Christ came to disrupt those who focused on the letter of the law, that's you who have not context and call this book inappropriate. Get a life and stop sheltering your kids to the point that they cannot handle themselves in a world anywhere outside of Provo/Orem. You are doing your kids more harm than you think. Read the books with them and don't make them think that everything and everyone around them are evil. You don't have to have all of the control. That's someone else's plan.

  • Carolyn
    April 23, 2009 3:27 p.m.

    Thank you marriage first. To me Stephenie Meyer walks on water. All you puritans are failing to see the deep symbolism in her books - including The Host.

  • you know it
    April 23, 2009 3:22 p.m.

    it's porno for women

  • John
    April 23, 2009 3:09 p.m.

    These are books. Good for a read, a little escape from reality, and an interesting idea. Not the greatest literature, and the movie was poorly made, but something I enjoyed reading with my niece and nephew.

    People that don't like these books probably don't like Harry Potter either.

    How can this book be called porn and the Book of Mormon not called a blood and guts book? Both deal with some dark issues, but neither are wicked books.

    People that think this book is porn scare me. Do you have cable? Any idea what your kids watch? Do your sons play world of warcraft or Halo or other bloody games?

  • Greg
    April 23, 2009 3:06 p.m.

    Thank goodness I don't live in Utah where these type of closeminded issues and decisions reign supreme. I can't imagine living in a world where a staunch Mormon author who has done more for the church's image in the last 5 years than anyone except maybe Mitt (depending on your politics) gets her books pulled from the church's bookstore because they are- what? Sexually explicit? No they are not! My kids have all read her books, boys and girls, and love them. I hope they are not going to hell now. - Proud to be a Non-Utah Mormon.

  • huh?
    April 23, 2009 2:57 p.m.

    Twilight book are GREAT! Some of the people on this blog need to get some emotional help.

  • ldstexan
    April 23, 2009 2:56 p.m.

    I thought the books were a fun read. I am a mother of 4 daughters. ALL of us have read these books. NO BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!! Like someone said earlier they had sex AFTER marriage. Get a grip. I have heard that down here in the Houston area that the books might become required reading. Nothing pornagraphic about these books. Get a life people! Much more important things to worry about.

  • Thanks, SM
    April 23, 2009 2:48 p.m.

    I'd like to thank Stephanie Meyer for writing "porno for women." I know my wife's amorous side has perked up since reading them!

  • Debbie
    April 23, 2009 2:44 p.m.

    So, if someone watches Transformers and sees Megan Fox and goes home to fantasize about her, does that make the movie pornographic?? She's a beautiful girl and many guys get carried away with thoughts about her, but I can hardly call a movie with transforming robots & exploding action porn. It's the same deal with Stephenie's books. THEY ARE SO NOT PORNOGRAPHY!!!

    It's fun to put yourself into a fanasy world for a while, but we all still live in the real world. Just because I think (my version of) Edward is a hunk and I enjoy reading the books doesn't mean that I feel any less towards my husband. At the end of the night, I'm still totally in love with the man I married.

  • LM*O.....
    April 23, 2009 2:39 p.m.

    Okay.... did the church discuss these books in the last general conference? Anyone hear any specific mention of the "Twilight" series during any of the sessions? Okay. So from there we can determine that the "Brethren" haven't made a specific comment about it. They never said not to read it. They never said TO read it. As near as I can tell, we each have our agency. Some of us are using it and justification together and saying it's alright to read because it's not as bad as some of the books out there. Some of us are using our agency and, hearing that it's a book involving vampires, have made the decision that it's not in line with what we believe the church teaches and that there are better books out there we could be reading instead. Bottom line folks..... you're both right. SHOCK!!!! Is that possible? What in the world......? I'm sure I'm not gonna go to hell for reading these books. I'm also sure I'm not going to be exalted for turning away. Let's all focus on the beam in our own eyes.... forget the motes.

  • Jillian
    April 23, 2009 2:38 p.m.

    Stephenie, if you are reading this, I'd like to say that your books are wonderful. The messages of chastity, respect and 'old fashioned' chivalry that most readers of the Twilight books are taking upon themselves, stand in stark contrast to the harmful messages that the media are throwing at our young people today. Thank you for sharing these books with us all. They will always have a place in my (LDS) home.

  • A Fantasy reader
    April 23, 2009 2:32 p.m.

    I love to read anything good I can get my hands on. Good Fantasy is great fun and what makes it good is the underlying theme to the book. So let's see, in the Twilight series we have a young girl sexually infatuated with an extremely lethal man who SLEEPS with her every night WITHOUT doing anything really sexual and that's supposed to be okay for teenage girls to read? Many lovesick teenage girls everywhere talk about wanting their own Edward.

    Then there's the werewolf friend who is as infatuated with her as she is with Edward, her father who cheers the werewolf friend on when he abuses her, the complete pre-occupation with sex -- well, that's about the only normal thing about the teenagers in this book.

    Then there are the innumerable flaws in the writing.

    This series isn't good Fantasy. When you look at the underlying theme of the books, well....

    Since the comparison has already been made, Harry Potter is about 3 teenagers using their innate talents to combat evil. Twilight is about a teenager's sexual preoccupation with an extremely dangerous older man.

    I am glad DB pulled the series.

  • Becky
    April 23, 2009 2:28 p.m.

    READ THE ARTICLE!!!!
    I am sure sales are slowing down. Good business sense to pull the series. If you want it, you should buy it at Walmart anyway. TONS cheaper!
    Parents are right to be careful what their children read. But we need also be aware that teenagers feel the things written about in these books. And not becuse they are bad or going to go get pregnant. Because we are blessed to have this draw! Sex isn't bad! It just needs to be within the bonds of matrimony. Hmmmmm... isn't that what the Twilight series talks about?
    I have read the books and I am fine if my 3 daughters chose to read them. When they are old enough.
    I am so tired of people teaching that sex is evil. Too many poor young men and women get married and feel dirty!

  • Pornography for Women
    April 23, 2009 2:20 p.m.

    Twilight is pornography for women. My wife was all enthralled in this book and would stay late reading it. It is not any different than men looking at pornographic images that satisfy them sexually. Edward was the man women love and they were fantasizing about him.

  • Loony bin......
    April 23, 2009 2:15 p.m.

    One of the greatest things about being a Mormon is that I can bash Mormons on both ends of the spectrum.
    First off, I'm gonna bet these books were never intended for missionary purposes. Can you imagine....

    Mormon: "Hey, have you read the newest book in the Twilight series?"

    Non-mormon: "Yeah. I can't get enough of them.... and the fact that he's a vampire is soooo cool."

    Mormon: "Yeah, I know. Speaking of the un-dead.... did you know Mormons perform baptisms for the dead? Would you like to know more? I can send a couple of representatives around to talk to you about it."

    Non-mormon: "Ummmm, are they Mormons or vampires?"

    Okay, for the other fanatics who are convinced that reading these books will condemn your soul to outer darkness because of how graphic they are... read Ether... or the Old Testament.

    Let's all lighten up JUST a little bit.


  • Seriously...
    April 23, 2009 2:13 p.m.

    I know someone who dumped her boyfriend because she wanted someone more like Edward...

    I find the books kinda lame and boring. And so many of the girls my age (but especially younger) seem to think that love should be like that. Um...it's not.

    When it comes to taking the books off the shelves of Desert Book: who cares? You can get the book elsewhere. It's a church bookstore for goodness sake. Just because the author is Mormon doesn't mean it should be in DB. And no, I'm not being a stuffy Mormon person because I don't agree with the content. Honestly, I could care less. If you whiners want your book, then get it at B&N or Borders. Or Walmart.

  • lds teen
    April 23, 2009 2:05 p.m.

    I'm a mormon teenager and have read the Twilight books. I think Deseret Books is way too anal. If they're saying that the Twilight Books are inappropiate then they're also saying that all the mormon people who are reading it are being disobedient to the church and reading it. I really think they need to get off their closed minded, anal retentive high horses and find something better to do.

  • I Love This!!!
    April 23, 2009 2:00 p.m.

    Isn't it wonderful that one of the primary aspects of the Gospel is free agency. No matter how much Boise Bishop wishes he could influence what his ward reads, in the end free agency wins out. We have leaders who provide their OPINION and we are free to take that into account or not. For years I bristled at the conservative fear mongering of many members. Now it is just an honest form of entertainment. My testimony remained intact throughout the 70s and 80s despite the scary warnings of what was on my records if played backwards. My children's testimony will be fine today even if they read stories about vampires and magic. It is hard to find someone who was more heavily involved in magic than young Joseph Smith and his family and I think they turned out okay. Relax folks - or don't because the uptight evil-is-around-every-corner members actually add a great deal to my enjoyment and amusement as a member. Carry on!

  • Whew!
    April 23, 2009 1:44 p.m.

    Thank goodness, now everything is right in the world.

    Anyway, you've got to be kidding me!

    Censorship!

  • Mother of teen
    April 23, 2009 1:42 p.m.

    My 13 year old - who is an avid reader read these books before I knew anything about them. The fact that they were written by a Mormon gives a false security. I wish she hadn't read them. Stephanie Myers wanted to write on the front of the book that they were for young adults, but the publisher talked her out of it. These books are definately for mature people, not for young people who are naive and curious. DB made a value statement by putting these books on order status only.

  • Julie
    April 23, 2009 1:37 p.m.

    I hate whiners and neurotic LDS who always find fault with everything, everyone and something as nice as the Twilight books. Some LDS people need to get over themselves and stop acting like lamebrains. I'm not shopping Deseret Book ever again.

  • Chill Out
    April 23, 2009 1:33 p.m.

    I am a mother, church member and have read all four books and seen the movie. Somebody called them "smut". What world are you living in? There is more "smut" in the halls of the schools than will ever appear in any of Stephenie Meyer's books. The books are tasteful, romantic and emotonal without being filthy or pornographic. Educate yourself and don't be so narrow minded. Harry Potter is violent and gory but his story remains on the shelves, should we flog JK Rowling, too? I guess it's Deseret Books loss. You had better pull the Bible, too. There is some "smut" in there...I think her name was Delilah.
    Chill out and worry about what your kids are saying to eachother on their cell phones.

  • Amy
    April 23, 2009 1:25 p.m.

    I am in complete agreement with the comment entiled "WOW". Most of you seriously need a reality check. Bella and Edward have sex AFTER they are married. It is not explicit or inappropriate in any way. How is this considered "smut" or "soft porn". I feel that the church needs to teach that sex is a good thing and not a bad thing. As many others have said, who cares. Go buy the book somewhere else. I highly reccomend the series.

  • Debbie
    April 23, 2009 1:24 p.m.

    There have been a lot of comments about "saving your money by buying elsewhere..." Deseret Book will match prices. I have never paid full price for a book I bought there. I call around, find the best price in town, and take it to them. Simple as pie.

    P.S. If people take vampireism to the extreem, there is something totally wrong with them. I am sure that woman who tied her husband up and tried to suck his blood didn't do so because of Stephenie's book... Get Real!

  • What's New?
    April 23, 2009 1:19 p.m.

    There is nothing wrong with the TWILIGHT books. By Des-Book taking them all off there shelves at their store will only help the author up here sales on more books. After I bought the last over priced "Joseph Smith book" i am now permanently, done, forever with this insane store. I have written Des-Book OFF for the last time! Most everything they have is FICTION or made up. Whatever!

  • Mike
    April 23, 2009 12:55 p.m.

    First off I am LDS(open minded). Some of the super strict, close minded mormons went and complained about the book and that why its been taken off the shelves. There is too much control and judgement from these "by the book mormons." Live and let live!!!

  • Ana
    April 23, 2009 12:44 p.m.

    I personally think Deseret Book pulled the books just so they could read all the over-reactive comments on this board.

  • This series
    April 23, 2009 12:39 p.m.

    The best thing about this LDS author is that she isn't just preying on members of the church for her livelihood. It is great that people love to read church themed authors a FEW of which could write and SELL successfully on the open market IF they wrote something else. This sounds like a moral decision the only business decision is trying not to alienate my fellow members of the church who are absolute prudes about this issue. DB would keep raking in the money selling these books if it was purely business. I don't really buy any LDS themed FICTION though, but I think Seagull sounds good for the next LDS documentary I purchase, Wal-mart sells them too.

  • Mom in CO
    April 23, 2009 12:37 p.m.

    This discussion needs to be with Ms. Meyers and her agent on whether this book is on DB shelves or any other shelves. Is that why this is a story? Is it the agents that want this book on DB display and it is not. Does LDS authorship gualify a book for DB distribution? As a consumer I have so many places to obtain access to this book if I so desire that it cannot be storyworthy that I no longer can purchase this on a reading whim at DB. If I am desperate to only purchase books from DB I can even order it. Business decisions are made for many reasons and second guessing those reasons are exactly that second guessing.

  • CougarKeith
    April 23, 2009 12:34 p.m.

    I think the fact is the writer is LDS, it was a way to help her get her book "Out There". The fact is simple, it doesn't need the help, and frankly it isn't "Deseret Book" material. I think I will raise my son to be a Heavy Metal Rock Performer, he's LDS will Deseret Book sell his CD's??? NO!!!!!! I wouldn't blame them! It is a interesting book, and the "Vampire Family" is a nice family, it's not your normal Vampire story that is for sure.

    It is funny to see so many comments over a book sold or not sold at Deseret Book. Can I write a story about a friendly Frankenstein??? Will Deseret Book Sell it for me, PLEEEEZZZZZ! I got it, I will write nursery rymes about scary characters, that should be fun!!!

  • Penny
    April 23, 2009 12:29 p.m.

    I am an active Mormon woman, and I cannot believe this! Just another case of taking away our free agency to chose. Someone needs to read the scriptures to find out why we are here!

  • John Pack Lambert
    April 23, 2009 12:23 p.m.

    to the 11:55 commentator,
    A troll is someone who goes around trying to provoke anger. The fist comment was clearly made by a troll, and I will place all comments calling for book burnings in the same category.
    I seriously doubt the those who called for burning of books have ever done it, and strongly suspect that some of them hold the opposite view of what they have expressed.

  • John Pack Lambert
    April 23, 2009 12:19 p.m.

    to the 10:42 commentator,
    It was not in Utah that people burned "Harry Potter". Also, some of the most harsh attacks on "Twilight" have come from admitted non-Mormons, who did not say if they lived in Utah or not.
    I have to admit I just have never understood Vampire romances at all. However, on the other hand, I think some people forget that these books are meant to be FICTION. Sister Meyer does not real believe there are vampires out there, and if you do believe in vampires who live for ever and such than all I can say is that I have a world view that does not align with yours.

  • Unbelievable?
    April 23, 2009 12:13 p.m.

    Why are so many of you surprised that DB would carry this fiction series? Most of what it carries is fiction in one guise or another.

    However, for those who believe in provident living, buying your reading material at DB is counterproductive to your pocketbook. Shop at Barnes and Noble or another retailer who sells for less. I'm not suggesting Wal*Mart since any money spent there costs far more than the actual purchase.

  • cracking me up
    April 23, 2009 12:09 p.m.

    For all of you commenting on the books - the author's name is Stephenie with no "a."

    Just so you're more informed about the what you are commenting about.

  • Anonymous
    April 23, 2009 12:07 p.m.

    I am amused at how many people say there is nothing "wrong" or objectionable with these books. Hello! They are about VAMPIRES! As sick as this world is, there are people who do consider themselves vampires. A woman here in Phoenix a couple of years ago was arrested for tying her lover up, slashing him and drinking his blood, so vampires aren't something you want to glamorize.

  • me_sarah12
    April 23, 2009 12:07 p.m.

    Yay, Deseret Book!

  • S Ahiwlsa
    April 23, 2009 12:05 p.m.

    Stop! Please, stop!

    I can't take anymore. Tears are streaming down my face.

    This is the most I've laughed in a couple of weeks.

    You all are priceless.

    Ahhh! Refreshing laughter. Nice break.

  • no to censorship
    April 23, 2009 12:05 p.m.

    I find censorship much more disturbing and disgusting than anything in the delightful Twilight series. When my former SP asked me why my husband and I left the Church, I described a feeling that the LDS has been taken over by control-freak busybodies who seem motivated by paranoia. Here they go again: my daughters love the Twilight books, which are certainly more wholesome than most of the stuff out there. But some paranoid finds these books too entertaining, so they are banned. I refuse to raise my children among such paranoids.

  • double standard mormons
    April 23, 2009 12:02 p.m.

    Has any one read the Book of Mormon? All the killing in that book is horrid. And yet that book is sold by Deseret book.

  • John Pack Lambert
    April 23, 2009 11:59 a.m.

    To the 8:35 commentator,
    Did anyone say that Deseret Book was responding to complaints about the book? No. The impression I got is that Deseret Book has decided that having the book on the shelves no longer meats the criteria for good use of shelf space.
    Many have taken this as a chance to began their anti-Mormon diatribes, and release their hate against Sherri Dew which is pobably more related to her belief that children should be raised by a mother and a father than anything else.
    There is a segment of people who come on these boards who hate anyone who stands up for the family, and their hateful invective is used in ripping on just about everything.
    The only thinkg that surprises me is that so far "Harry Potter" has not been called out. The later Harry Potter books were too long and poorly edited, and the earliest ones represented very poor writing, espcially in the development of the characters in Harry's immediate family.

  • Thanks Lesson Learned
    April 23, 2009 11:58 a.m.

    You pointed out that in the book the characters spend the night in bed together regularly and nothing happens. Sounds like a good reason to re-direct our youth to something with a better message. How many young women will read this book and think that they can do the same thing? Dangerous territory, and a good way to get raped, or be led into intimacy they shouldn't be partaking in. Why Deseret Book would carry this is the first place is beyond me. Certainly there are more entertaining and enlightening books out there than this. I love how those of us with moral values are portrayed as ultra conservative idiots with no life. Well peace of mind is certainly a nice way to live. So I will remain a prude and enjoy and better and more fulfilling life. Thanks!

  • Good Enough
    April 23, 2009 11:58 a.m.

    The books are dumb anyway.
    They are 500+ page books that would be 150 pages, if we didn't hear about how perfect Edward is every two seconds.
    Very slow and way over hyped.

  • Veni, vidi, vici
    April 23, 2009 11:55 a.m.

    Beware... What Trolls? Can you give examples??? I see nothing here but people expressing their opinion. Some feel this was a good decision on DS's part, some feel it's a little too late, others feel it wasn't such a good idea, and some feel that it was a bad decision motivated by the almighty dollar, and some don't think its news at all...

    This is a public forum you are going to get different opinions... doesn't mean people are trolling.

  • Stupid Stupid
    April 23, 2009 11:40 a.m.

    Get a life folks, what has there been over a 100 commentors telling DB what or what to do, combined with "moralilty" stuff. Why not everyone read the story again and simply say, oh! DB has pulled these books along with others (very common practice in any bookstore) and let it go. To the haters and the defenders and those who claim to be middle road but are really haters or defenders my first 4 words again. Get a life folks!!

  • to 6:27
    April 23, 2009 11:37 a.m.

    your teenage daughters have a bigger problem than the twilight books ... YOU!

  • John Pack Lambert
    April 23, 2009 11:36 a.m.

    Well, it is clear the 7:02 commentator hates Sherri Dew. I wonder if this is related to the fact Sister Dew believes children should be raised by a father and a mother. I have a strong suspicion it is.
    Of course I am sitting next to a book shelf where probably half the books were published by Deseret Book, and if we count Bookcraft that has since become a part of Deseret Book than the percentage is higher.
    I applaud Sister Dew's leadership of Deseret Book, and just wish they would publish more histories. I would buy an updated edition of the "Encyclopedia of Latter-day Saint History" although at nine years old it is probably a bit soon to update it.
    In fact, I have decided I need to put my money where my mouth is and am going to go order a book from Deseret Book, probably Edward Kimball's history of the time his father was president of the Church.

  • John Pack Lambert
    April 23, 2009 11:28 a.m.

    Since my Mom has gone to visit my brother during the break between Winter and Spring semesters at BYU I have at least direct evidence that this is a logical possibility.
    "Devierse Customers" in this context may be a ference to the fact that Deseret Book, especially the ones in Provo and Orem get a large amount of business from Out of state visitors (and even from Out of Country vistors) especially at the time of graduation at BYU (that is this week). Buying a book that they can pick up at any local bookstore is not going to be a top priority to these visitors, so I can see this situation as a reason to put on the shelves books that better meet the desires of people who are making there at best annual (and wuite possibly once-in-a-lifetime) visit to an actual Deseret Book store.
    Those in this group who ever had any intention of buying "Twilight" have probably already done it, and seeing it sitting on the shelves is probably not going to get many new sales.

  • whoa there
    April 23, 2009 11:28 a.m.

    This is obviously just a business decision in response to customer complaints and has nothing to do with any kind of judgment as to the quality or appropriateness of Meyer's Twilight books. Do we really need to be so commanded in all things that we use the list of what DB sells and does not sell as a surrogate for following the light of Christ?

  • John Pack Lambert
    April 23, 2009 11:22 a.m.

    to the 6:50 commentator,
    While you may personally know someone who censors books and yet watches Soap Operas, my experience is that the people who have issues with this book tend to have never watched a Sopa Opera, at least except maybe having seen a few snipets while they were in a waiting room where one was being played.
    However, you like several other readers do not get it. Deseret Book did not say "We pulled this book because it was inapropriate". This is not a case of deciding a book was too sensitive to put on their shelves, but seems to be more a decision that after at least 40 weeks on the market a novel with no clear religious themes that is available in many other stores is no longer representative of the most effecient use of book space by a book store that specializes in selling religious books.
    As I said before part of the problem is the misleading headline. However, it all boils down to a decision to use the space more effiently for Deseret Books unique offerings.

  • Sheryl
    April 23, 2009 11:17 a.m.

    I agree with Janet. I read the series and the whole time wondered what Deseret and a Mormon author was thinking writing/selling these books for young girls! I read them with my young teen granddaughters, 12 & 14, in mind. With all the Goth and obsession with vampirism I refused to let my granddaughters read them and spoke to their Mother's.(I had told them they could read them after me. One didn't agree.. at first, after giving it some thought she had my son read them and they did not let their daughter read them. However, she did get to see the movie. When "Love" is romaticised even if it puts you in harms way, above all else, it is a recipe for trouble. Definetly not for pre teens.

  • BK
    April 23, 2009 11:17 a.m.

    Even further reason not to go to Deseret Book.

  • JJ
    April 23, 2009 11:14 a.m.

    THe spokeswoman said that because they specialize in religious books, the decision was made to pull the "Twilight" series. That seems sensible. The book is very popular with many people and because of that it obviously takes up a bit of room. I know that most Deseret Book stores are not as large as the one in SL, so if you're specializing in a particular type of book it makes sense to 'make room'. 'Twilight' is available elsewhere, so go to Wal-Mart. I don't recall seeing the Harry Potter series displayed at Deseret Book either. It's the volume not the author that makes a difference in this case.

  • John Pack Lambert
    April 23, 2009 11:12 a.m.

    To the 6:24 commentator,
    You should clearly have read the article. Deseret Book is still selling the "Twilight" series, they are just not on the book shelves, but you still can buy them from Deseret Book.

  • OH brother....
    April 23, 2009 11:11 a.m.

    I can't believe Deseret Book even carried these books...

    Vampires?????

    My daughter has a roommate who asked her to help her with a research paper... This girl was failing out of a private college in the New England area. When asked her topic, she replied, "Vampires". Her room is plastered with posters of this book and she truly believed there was research enough to write about it..

    This kind of reading is a waste of time and again I can't believe Deseret Book even sold them at all.

  • John Pack Lambert
    April 23, 2009 11:09 a.m.

    I will try this one more time.
    First off, people should READ the article, not just the head-line. If you read the article you will find that Deseret Book has not classed "Twilight" as a banned book. They still allow special ordering of it from the Book store. They just felt that it was not logical to leave it on the shelves still.
    Secondly, and I am despairing to get this point across to people, the comment about not being appropriate for all readers was not made by anyone in anyway connected with Deseret Book, but by some random shopper. For example, if I were in Borders Book Store and made some comment about a book they were or were not selling to a reporter my comment would remain my own opinion and not carry the weight of the institution just because I hapened to be on its property when I made the comment.
    Please understand issues before you comment on them.

  • Beware
    April 23, 2009 11:05 a.m.

    The trolls are ripe and strong.

  • John Pack Lambert
    April 23, 2009 11:02 a.m.

    To the 9:45 commentator,
    Books selling nation-wide and selling at Deseret Book are not neccesarily related occurances. When I travel to Utah or somewhere else where I get to go to Deseret Book, I scoure the shelves for history books, not for works of fiction. Of course, I am not neccesarily the average shopper, but with just about any seller of new books carrying Stephanie Meyer's work, people will not have to travel to Deseret Book to get it. Especially outside of Utah, Deseret Book is so few and far between their best selling items probably tend to be things you can only buy there, and not books where they are not differenciated from other book sellers.

  • John Pack Lambert
    April 23, 2009 10:58 a.m.

    I think "Edward" at 9:15 gets the issue the best. Anonymous at 9:16 has not read the article closely enough. The only person who mentioned the inapropriate content of the book as a possible issue was a random shopper who had no actual insight on the actions of the administration of Deseret Book.
    One last thing, I think the head-line of this article is misleading. It makes it sound like (maybe not saying, but giving the impression) that Deseret Book took some issue with "Twilight", however when you read the article it appears that this is just a decision to stock the shelves with high turnover items, and since it has been I think at least a year since the last of the Twilight books came out, this probably just tells us Deseret Book does not feel that they need to keep this fiction book on the shelves still at a point when its rate of purchase is down.

  • Lesson Learned
    April 23, 2009 10:54 a.m.

    One of the reasons I chose to read these books was because of the common argument: "Well, the books are sold at Deseret Book so they must be okay." I now know to be more discerning regardless of whether or not they are sold at an LDS Bookstore or if the author is LDS or a fellow BYU grad. These books (1-4, not just the last one) do not reflect LDS youth standards. I initially found the books entertaining but then had to take a step back and think about the content. In the first book, Edward is regularly spending the night in bed with Bella but nothing happens so its okay. The characters are presented as having amazing self control. All Bella wants is to have sex with Edward. NOTHING else matters. Not her relationship with her friends or her parents and certainly not taking the silly step of getting married first. Edward had to MAKE her do that. Why does anyone think these books are appropriate for LDS pre-teens or teenagers? The problem is not necessarily that infatuation and sex are themes. The problem is that an unhealthy relationship is presented as good and desirable.

  • Cats
    April 23, 2009 10:53 a.m.

    I think it's a shame that Deseret Book made this decision, but I guess there are some customers who are ULTRA SENSITIVE.

    The books really have nothing objectionable in them. In fact, they teach a lot of really important moral principles. But, they are not meant for children. They are meant for young adults.

    I admire Stephanie and support her efforts.

  • Hilarious
    April 23, 2009 10:44 a.m.

    Yeah, real controversial stuff. Give us a break and stop trying to protect us from ourselves.

  • What's the Problem?
    April 23, 2009 10:42 a.m.

    I am surprised the series was at Deseret Book to begin with. I have always viewed them as a resource for LDS books and other LDS material exclusively. I personally find absolutely nothing wrong with the content in the Twighlight series for LDS youth or adults to read but I would never have even considered buying it at Deseret Book. In the same way I don't go to Barnes and Nobles to find the latest book or cd from one of the General Authorities.

    As a side note - there have been a few comments in my ward's GD class criticizing Twighlight and Harry Potter as satanic or a bad influence at best. I just laugh (usually not out loud) and appreciate that type of humor in church. Ultra-conservative LDS members and comments truly make the 3-hour block more enjoyable and amusing.

  • WaRpEd MiNdEd
    April 23, 2009 10:42 a.m.

    Some of you people are absolutely nuts. What kind of strange society is this? Like they always say everywhere....ONLY IN UTAH!

    Leave the book alone! Utah has dealt with much more perverse or perversion than this ignorant "TWILIGHT" book, and with ignorant people who buy and read this junk.

  • re:informed in utah
    April 23, 2009 10:42 a.m.

    Exactly, Deseret Book chose to milk the money from these books, once they saw a dip in sales, now they get all self-righteous.

    The last book should have never been in stores in the first place and if they didn't know it's contents they certainly did within a week and once the shipment was sold out, they should have made this decisions then.

    But they knew money was to be had, thus they kept their pretty lips silent.

    Desert Book is just an organization established on preistcraft.

  • Anonymous
    April 23, 2009 10:34 a.m.

    Finally! I don't see how people could say it was just "a little mature for some readers." The later books in the series have a bed scene, for crying out loud. Besides, I was personally a little worried about how many LDS young girls were really getting into Twilight's message of the excitement of the forbidden - the 'dangerous love' appeal. Not the best thing to get our girls hooked on.

  • K2
    April 23, 2009 10:34 a.m.

    Enjoyed reading above comments (people are not "crying") they are just expressing themselves in a little open discourse - kind of like finding out what the rest of the world thinks, ya think? The one comment from Journal of Discoures should heighten some readers to take a look at that "series" - really (really) some great stuff (eyeopening?). By the way, do we remember the funny faux rumor of DB closing down for a day while they moved a certain GA's books from the non-fiction section to the fiction section? Great to read the above comments...as life unfolds while waves and changes occur! Very insightful....

  • Why?
    April 23, 2009 10:27 a.m.

    Does that mean that the BYU Bookstore willbe the next place to pull her book off their shelves?

  • Boise Cougar
    April 23, 2009 10:24 a.m.

    The 'Twilight' series is a classic case of LDS people shifting our values in the wrong direction as the world continues to shift further into Satan's snare. The First Presidency was warning about racy movies, and books in the 1940s! Imagine their dismay at the filthy tripe LDS members are ingesting today! I am an LDS Bishop and the youth in my ward recommended this series to me 1 1/2 years ago. I tried to read it and couldn't make it past the first quarter of the first book without being sick to my stomach that our youth were subjecting themselves to a story where a young girl was heavily tempted to pair off with a much older and very dangerous man. I have since turned down any request by our Relief Society book club to read any of Ms. Meyer's books and I have cautioned parents in our Ward to steer widely clear of this dark and dangerous series (or anything like it). I am grateful that Sherri Dew (Deseret's CEO) has finally decided it is not worth the downside to carry this series that, at best, is not of good report.

  • Shecky
    April 23, 2009 10:24 a.m.

    I have never read these Vampire romance novels (straight men don't do these types of things)but, for the life of me is somebody at Desert Book having a "hissy fit" over romantic vampirical relationships? There is more questionable material on the shelves at DB than these dorky books. However, I believe in the book of II Chronicles you'll find warnings about falling in love with the undead. Look it up. Then get a life!

  • Real life vs fiction...
    April 23, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    Let us be clear...these books are fiction. Fictional books can have aspects of magic, romance, intrigue, fighting, etc. The fictional romance is intriguing to many, especially women. It is not pornographic nor overly descriptive. I've read all the books and seen movie number one (can't wait for the next one!).

    I don't see many buyers in Deseret Book and have often wondered if the business makes money or if it only exists to funnel money to GAs through book advances, for books they write which never make money...Now they take a bestseller off the shelf, wow.

  • Chance
    April 23, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    I love it when people filled with their righteous indignation decide to give it their two cents...they have every right to do so, since this is a blog, but words like "Chill out," "What??" and "ok, listen up people!" are handwringer approaches to solving everyones problems, assuming they have a problem since they too are only expressing their opinion. What is sooo deserving of your righteous indignation? There is no shortage of people who think they are going to utter life changing textual nuances on this blog, hoping to generate heated exchanges. Why cant we express our opinion, generating only interesting opinions, without the provocateur coming out in us? "I will extinguish all of your concerns with an exclamation point followed by 5 question marks" discredits you right off the bat. IMO. P.S. I think Twilight is a dull fantasy based vampiretical blood bath, sex themed waste of time. Probably will go the way of all other Hollywood fanatasies...immorality. I happen to think vampires, warewolves and witches portrayed as hero's is not a good thing to teach my kids.

  • re: Honor
    April 23, 2009 10:12 a.m.

    Wrong. Honor would have been never carrying the book to begin with. No doubt people with DBook had read the material in the book before deciding to carry it. And if you are suggesting that many years after they came to popularity LDS members suddenly just started complaining about seeing them on the shelves, you are blind my friend.

    DBook took the opportunity to make some nice coin, while ignoring the material in the books that some LDS members could find offensive, surprise there they find just about everything offensive. Then down the road as sales start to slow, they pull out the morality card to give complaining customers what they want? Reaks of profit grubbing hypocrisy. Had they never carried the books, and missed out on the huge paydays, they would have honored their beliefs. What transpired instead was looking out for #1 first, then trying to save face by acting like Big Brother.

  • Anonymous
    April 23, 2009 10:10 a.m.

    It surprises me how many of the comments I've read reveal a comfort zone that aligns with the worlds standards. For example "you people are all silly, foolish, bunch of gripes" "there is really nothing deep, sadistic or evil in it". Members of the true church, read the 13th article of faith again...I believe the word "virtuous" is stated as a quality we should seek after. I have read twilight and its sequels and know the content is misleading. My own beehive daughter hears how everyone her age has read these books and wants to know if she can. These books are not for unmarried girls, boys, young women and young men. These books can lead a young mind to believe "sex" is worth getting married for; or even worse, skip the marriage and get to the sex! I am grateful Deseret Book has taken these books off their shelves and I don't care that Stephanie Meyer is a graduate of BYU and a member of the church. Hopefully we are not aligning our standards to any individual other than our Savior.

  • I'm with Jacksmom!
    April 23, 2009 9:58 a.m.

    Great Comments! I second her statements.

  • Reality
    April 23, 2009 9:56 a.m.

    I have been in DB many times and have purchased many fiction books that I enjoy reading. These books are filled with violence, romance (nothing explicite) and certainly are a good read. They are about Goblins orces demons and other assorted fantasies. Have then been pulled as well. If not then clearly DB has dones this for the wrong reasons. That having been said they have the right to sell whatever they want. Even when it does not make sense.

  • Why
    April 23, 2009 9:55 a.m.

    Why do people shop at Deseret Book for these books in the first place makes no sense to me. Deseret Book is such a scam--everything is way overpriced there. If it's a regular book, like Harry Potter or Twilight, you are better off getting it off Amazon. If it's a church-type book, try Seagull first. I only shop at Deseret Book for things that they and only they carry.

    I don't understand how the company makes money, given their exorbitant prices. But I guess it makes a lot of LDS feel good to shop there.

  • Great Books about touchy subject
    April 23, 2009 9:46 a.m.

    The Twilight series is a great series but not for the squimish. We allowed our teenage daughter to read the twilight series. There were a few things that made me uncomfortable but we spoke about those things with our daughter and it opened up for some great conversation between adults and a teenager.
    I think that Deseret book is wrong for removing them from the shelf but since the initial run and profits from the series is probably over it was a great political decision.
    BTW.. .Those of you who call the books evil are probably part of the right wing wacko bunch who the bretheren warn us about... A little more centered folks!

  • Mother's Dream
    April 23, 2009 9:44 a.m.

    I look at all books through the same lense. It doesn't matter who wrote them, what matters is content and what is portrayed. For all those who think that being "puritanical" is old fashioned or no longer relevant, look at our society and where we are headed. Enough said.

  • CamT
    April 23, 2009 9:43 a.m.

    I see this as a business decision to give shelf space and promotion to books that are not likely to be found in other stores. Twilight can be found anywhere, but LDS religious books are not found in that many other venues. Deseret Book is just trying to stick with its mission of promoting LDS themed works, and I don't really see the controversy.

  • Debbie
    April 23, 2009 9:39 a.m.

    This is so lame! The books have been out for how long and they are just now deciding to pull them??? There isn't anything wrong with the books. I see no reason for this decision and I think it's petty and stupid for Deseret Book to pull them ~ Especially where they earned so much money off of them in the first place (I bought 3 of my copies from them and I saw many others doing the same thing each time I went). Just stupid....

  • Zoneseek
    April 23, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    To "Calm Down People" at 7:47
    I really liked The Host. I think it is the best thing Stephenie has written. Great science fiction.

  • well
    April 23, 2009 9:37 a.m.

    That was a stupid book any ways.

  • what we are saying
    April 23, 2009 9:37 a.m.

    We are not bashing DB for removing the book... at least I am not.... what I am bashing is that they say that they removed the book due to mixed review.... so they are trying to take the "high" road morally and make it look like they were removing it because DB is so righteous.... when in reality the sales have dropped and so it was business smart to remove it.

    That is all fine, but please, spare us on the "moral" reasons and just tell us the real reason you are removing it.... if it is due to "moral" reasons, then I would love to see DB donate all proceeds that they got from this book to some charity.

    And wake up people... it is fiction.... the cover is not full of porn... anyone and everyone has the ability to "choose" to read it or not.

    To that crazy concerned Dad shouldn't you have more trust in your kids that if you asked them to not read it they wouldn't.... because if all you do as a parent is dictate... then the second they leave the house they are gone... let them learn to choose

  • Sam
    April 23, 2009 9:36 a.m.

    Des Book is bailing out now that the phenomenon is fading and the $ is slowing. Mixed reviews . . . how long ago did the reviews come out? Give me a break, they are putting the cash cow out to pasture.

  • @ Concerned Dad
    April 23, 2009 9:36 a.m.

    You better put your tinfoil hat on, and lock your children in your bomb shelter and never go out. Guess what, if your children want to read this series, or do something else you don't approve of... THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT.

    The more control you impose over them, the more likely they are going to go out and do what you don't want them to. It is about teaching them, not controlling them.

  • DB
    April 23, 2009 9:31 a.m.

    DB can do whatever they want. It is their decision what they sell, and it is my decision whether I will purchase something from them.

    However people, you should stop judging other people for what they want to read. If you don't like Twilight or Harry Potter or Pokemon, or whatever is the perceived evil this week, THEN DON'T READ IT. Educate your own family about it. But don't come on a message board, or some stupid crusade to get rid of it because you don't like it. That is what the nazi's did.

  • Rick
    April 23, 2009 9:28 a.m.

    I salute you Deseret Book! Now if they will only pull Hamlet, (all that blood and possible incest), and get rid of that rotten Twelfth Night (cross dressing females). Ok, any book by Shakespeare. And they should pull all Harry Potter books since they involve "magic" and "witches and wizards." And to placate those parents who clearly see the Twilight series as subversive, immoral and "evil," we should also pull any book by Dr. Seuss, as they have talking animals, and certainly, that Grinch's likeness is a lot like Cane, (a hairy man) condemned to walk the earth for killing Abel. Not good for you, little Timmy Foo, said uber-Mo Dad to his child who was sad.
    So here's to you Deseret Book, (I raise a glass of grape juice or a hot cup of postum) in your honor! You caved to the nutty fringe of my church, who only allow their kids to watch re-runs of General Conference, and are impressed by the spirit to keep them away from Bert and Ernie as they may be "those types." You have scored another victory for decency, truth, and the Zion way.

  • informed in utah
    April 23, 2009 9:23 a.m.

    I would like to know how much money did Deseret Book make off of selling the Twilight series before they made this decision? Is there not one employee that can read, how behind are they in what these books are about? Give me a freaking break!

  • Scammed
    April 23, 2009 9:22 a.m.

    Deseret Books only sells books that are outrageously overpriced. Have you ever heard of a hyndred pages for $20 anywhere else! Lower your prices or get eaten by the Seagulls.

  • Mom2four
    April 23, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    I have 4 daughters 38-15. The 15 & 33 yo and I have read all four books of the 'Twilight' series. I do not see, as another commented, that the relation-ship between "Bella" & Edward was one of abuse. Saw the movie as well. We (daughter) have discussed about what is in the book and said to keep in mind that this is "a fictional story", that most young men would NOT think of a girls safety or emotional needs. Been a member for 33 years, seen lots of insults, verbal and mental abuse from young men -and a few adult members towards girls. Which she has received. My point to her is, using the character of Edward, he refused to give in to what was (natural to him)i.e, "natural man", kept her safty first. Violence in the Book of Mormon, passages that tell of wars where people were beheaded and so evil that they still tried to get up to kill. All parents need to read what their kids do, even school, and talk about how this would relate to situations in real life. Symbolism can be translated as in literature read in Public schools.

  • Business decisison? unlikely
    April 23, 2009 9:20 a.m.

    Des book says the book had mixed reviews and implies that it was from a moral standpoint. If the standard is that any book in DB can be read by all audiences they sound like boring books. This obviously is not the case its DB, buckling under controversy by prudish members who want DB to play sensor instead of the parents. Having read the books so I would know what my wife was talking about I found them tame but entertaining, but they are PG-13 (so why won't she read Grisham?). DB made a ton of money, but still left a ton of money on the table at their high margin ongoing. Wrong decision revenue wise. I'm sure they need to pull other books w/ to consistently meet this high moral standard. As a member / subscriber to des news have to side w/ the trib readers on this one.

  • Krista
    April 23, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    I must say that it is a wonderful decision by Deseret Book!! We should be reading out of the BEST books, not just because a mormon wrote it etc... I would not want to use these set of books as a missionary tool. Would you want our savior to sit next to you and read these books with you? There are things in these books that are inappropriate period.

  • Sandra
    April 23, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    Good job DB! Those books never had a place on your shelves. You should review other controversial books as well, such as some from Orson Scott Card.

  • Utah Lady
    April 23, 2009 9:15 a.m.

    I think the problem with the series, particularly the last book, is that they are just too sensual. Face it, women are more excited by words than images, and these books played to that. I read them along with my young adult daughter, and honestly I didn't find anything redeeming in them.

    It was sad to see most of the young women at church going crazy about the series.

    Truthfully, the books aren't that well written, and I don't believe they will stand the test of time. They are simply a passing fad.

  • Good
    April 23, 2009 9:15 a.m.

    First, let me say that I've read the books. I felt uncomfortable with a few things in them. I debated on whether or not to read the last book, but wanting to find out how it ended, I did read it and was even more unconfortable. Yes, they are mild compared to many things in the world, but I felt like they push things about as far as they can go when it comes to LDS standards. The feeling I got while reading them was "how far can we go without actually crossing the line". Hmmm. Aren't we supposed to be advising our youth to stay far away from that line? I would NEVER want my teenage daughters to read them because of the messages sent. Like I said... to close to that line and too many other questionable messages. (lying to parents, etc.) Am I sorry I read them? Yes, because I don't like to feel uncomfortable about what I read.

  • Got Out!
    April 23, 2009 9:14 a.m.

    And news like this reminds me of how happy I am to not live in Stepford Land.

  • A Little Late Also
    April 23, 2009 9:14 a.m.

    Good people,
    The book series was not only about a morallity issue. The very idea of vampires and their "undeadness" (is that a word?) and, their unholy practices is the very opposite of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Is that what we as followers of Christ want to fill our minds with?
    You might be surprised at how the slippery the slope to undireable immagination becomes in a person's mind when introduced to such concepts under the guise of "popular fiction."
    One final question...do we as a Christain church want to be assoicated with such concepts?

  • Ana
    April 23, 2009 9:14 a.m.

    I just checked DB's online site. Even the first six Harry Potter books aren't sold there anymore (unless you buy them as a set.) It would seem to me that this was a business decision, NOT a moral comment.

  • Amy
    April 23, 2009 9:12 a.m.

    What is everybody complaining about? Banned books? Sheesh. This isn't about censorship! Go buy them somewhere else! I'll bet they're cheaper at Sprawl-Mart or Amazon.com than Deseret Book anyway! I have no interest in the books, I find the over-inflated hype and obsessions that people have the books to be rather disturbing!

  • Oh Brother....
    April 23, 2009 9:10 a.m.

    They pulled them because some zealot called in and complained.....these people do more harm than good for the church. Back of you weaners!

  • And this is important becasue?
    April 23, 2009 9:07 a.m.

    My teen kids like the books; I don't think they are written very well. My kids and I talk about the content, the writing quality, and character analyses. We discuss flaws and strengths in the writing. We also talk about values/morals as they are presented through the characters, how they match or don't match with our own, and whether they are reasonable and adoptable, or are shallow and silly. We voted in general for the latter, because Bella is rather stupid and unadmirable; and no one in our family needs to make a choice about having human vs. animal blood for dinner, so that "value" is rather moot. And btw, we got our copies somewhere other than Des. Book, for a heck of a lot less.

  • Burn baby burn
    April 23, 2009 9:07 a.m.

    I say we have a book burning.

  • You people
    April 23, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    are twisted.

  • jacksmom
    April 23, 2009 8:57 a.m.

    Porn?!?!? Are you people for real? In NO WAY does this book even come close to porn or soft porn! Yes, the main characters have sex in the final installment - AFTER THEY'RE MARRIED - and there is never any detail given about that - it is only implied. Guess what people? That's what happens when most people get married! (well, truth be told, a lot before then, as well) Even Mormons (myself being one) have sex! Shock!!! That's how we keep getting little baby Mormons. Grow up and stop being hypocrites everyone! Oh, and yes, this really is a non-story. Business decisions are business decisions - nothing more, nothing less.

  • Pushy Beetle
    April 23, 2009 8:56 a.m.

    You people are all a silly, foolish, bunch of gripes. I like the twilight books because they Kinda remind me of the twilight ZONE!

  • JG
    April 23, 2009 8:47 a.m.

    What? She's BYU's own alumni who made good! I can't believe Deseret Book will not carry her books! They will loose a lot of money! Too Bad!

  • Laura
    April 23, 2009 8:46 a.m.

    These books were no worse than the smut Jack Weyland writes (wrote?). His books promoted abusive relationships where the wife was totally submissive (if she wasn't in the beginning she quickly learned her lesson and became so in the end) and the husband was dominant and controlling who only wanted a break-baking, cooking-making, tie-picking out kind of woman! If DB wants to pull books from its shelf it should start there...

  • Jeanette
    April 23, 2009 8:44 a.m.

    I work with the YW in church and all the girls were reading this series so I thought I would check it out. I read two and was both enthralled and disappointed at the same time. For a novel that is aimed at teens I was very bothered because sensuality was soft pedaled as love and vise versa. I think that is ultimately why this series is contested as appropriate for a young lds audience. Yes, it was an entertaining read, but the confusing point for youth is that Bella is willing to lose her soul to continue in her relationship with Edward and the nature of the story makes it so you, the young reader, become so engrossed in the story that you also want her to lose her soul for Edward's love. I found this to be disturbing and decided not to allow my children to read it at this time when their ideas about love and romance are still being formed.

  • Luci Jane
    April 23, 2009 8:36 a.m.

    I read the first book in the series and thought it was absolute garbage. I'm surprised that Stephenie Meyer could write such drivel and not be embarrassed by it. What's even more surprising is how many women my age think the "Twilight" series is the best thing they've ever read. I'm not saying everyone should only read literary classics, but if you need an escapism fix, aren't there better choices? Just my humble opinion.

  • Honor vs Profit
    April 23, 2009 8:35 a.m.

    Look. It doesn't matter who the author is. One of the commenters suggested that DB owed the author an apology because she was a Mom, a Member and a good person.

    Its about the book, not the author. And DB said what they said. Enough of their customers were complaining about the book that they were stuck with the terrible proposition of having to take a best seller off their shelves. For a retailer to do something like that it requires a lot of guts. Especially when they can see they are selling enough to warrant keeping them on the shelf in a GOOD location in the store.

    No matter what you think about the decision, you have to give Deseret Book for doing what they felt was right rather than what they felt was profitable.

    Well done Deseret Book!

  • A slow news day
    April 23, 2009 8:33 a.m.

    It must really be a slow news day along the Wasatch Front when such a non news worthy article like this gets print and screen (Fox 13 news this morning)time.
    Two words: Who Cares? I've never read the series, never will.

  • Hmmm
    April 23, 2009 8:32 a.m.

    Who Cares? If you can get it elsewhere then do it. No big deal. I can't buy a Big Mac at a car wash, why would I want to get a vampire story at Deseret Book? Again, Who cares?

  • Cincinnatus
    April 23, 2009 8:30 a.m.

    Deseret Book, as a private company, is entirely within their rights to pull this book off their shelves if they so wish, but let's be honest about reasons- and I'm pointing the finger directly at Ms. Dew.

    Deseret Book chose NOT to carry the books when they first hit the market, most likely due to content- their buyers are trained to screen books for content appropriate for DB stores.

    They DID chose to carry the books when they were suddenly offered the opportunity to have Meyer do a signing at one of their stores- the book suddenly became standard fare, and they sold A LOT of them.

    When the publisher found out this was the only reason the DB decided to carry the books, they yanked the signing from DB. DB continued to ride the wave and make a lot of money.

    Now that the crest of the sales wave is over, they are choosing to pull the books, most likely based on content. The thing I find most concerning is their hypocritical approach to the whole thing. Now that they've made their money off Meyer, they are washing their hands of her.

  • Fantastic!
    April 23, 2009 8:26 a.m.

    I say burn the books just like you would a witch at the stake. Then, let's force Ms. Meyer to wear a scarlet letter for her sin, which is elbowing in on the sales of Sherri Dew's latest piece of literary tripe.

  • Sue
    April 23, 2009 8:25 a.m.

    Can anyone say FICTION? Remember this is a story - no truth or life altering epiphanies in these stories - just entertainment. Take it for what it is and move on - teach kids the difference between reality and fiction and I think we will all weather this "storm." Come on - is this really a newsworthy story? People are dying from starvation, disease, and war all over the world and we are ranting over a few novels?!?

  • Here we go again...
    April 23, 2009 8:24 a.m.

    Well, here we go again. Another simple mishandling of the Deseret Book Chain, again. As if the prying away of Seagull Book from its owners wasnt't bad enough, (Deseret refused to sell any of their LDS titles to Seagull. Basically forcing them to either try it without or to sell to them. They sold out to Deseret Book) now they have to cow-tow to a few misguided and prude individuals. If they can sell it on their website, why not in the stores? What's wrong with saying "Thank you for your concern, Joe customer. However, because the book is not seen by basically anybody of mention to be off color, sexual, deviant, satanistic etc., we will continue to carry it." No, we have to be unrational and odd so that we can truly be seen as a "peculiar people." Come on, Deseret Book, stay in the game, not throw the towel in at a few misguided space cadets.

  • dstuart
    April 23, 2009 8:24 a.m.

    Hey, everyone, chill out. What is the big deal anyway. I have read all of the Twilight books and they are not on the same level as the Harry Potter books (Harry Potter books are much better written). However, I wanted to know what my daughters and their friends were reading and I found them to be a little questionable in their content. I can see why Deseret Book took them off the shelves and wondered why they had them there in the first place.

  • Thank you Janet
    April 23, 2009 8:24 a.m.

    I truly appreciate your comments from a non-member perspective. I agree. Often we accept things we shouldn't based on origin. No matter the source, we should seek for things "virtuous, lovely, and of good report and praiseworthy." I won't be letter my daughters read these books until they are at least 18!

    As far as Deseret Book's decision, I think people are jumping to conclusions. They aren't "banning" the book, as it is still available online.

  • BYU Grad
    April 23, 2009 8:16 a.m.

    Why did DB carry the books in the first place? Just because someone is an LDS BYU grad doesn't mean their books should be sold at DB.

  • hmmmm
    April 23, 2009 8:13 a.m.

    a non-story

  • marraige first
    April 23, 2009 8:11 a.m.

    For those of you who haven't read the books-- there is only brief reference to kissing before marraige. The whole idea of abstenance is promoted by Edward the main character. Then AFTER their marraige, the enjoyment of that part of the relationship is only illuded to, no details or graphics. (thank heaven) Sex is a great part of marraige (are we trying to hide that) and these young people waited !! I'm glad Stepanie stuck to her guns about the morality issue. Enjoyed the books very much-- as have all my 6 sons.

  • Chance
    April 23, 2009 8:08 a.m.

    The movie was atrocious, and the book is not uplifting. It is obviously not my choice, but if it were, I would not sell anything in the Church's book store except that which uplifts the soul and inspires man to do better. Steeping with vampires who kill and invoke teenage romance is not my idea of uplifting reading material, even if it was written by a BYU graduate. IMO/compare the uplifting story behind Saints and Soldiers. Lots of violence and scary circumstances, which gave it a rating not intended, at least uplifts the soul. Twilight does nothing but entertain at a very base level. Go to Borders or Barnes and Noble to get a copy.

  • Sandy
    April 23, 2009 8:03 a.m.

    It's about time. I read the first four chapters of Twilight when it first came out, before Des Book picked it up. It was such obvious tripe I skimmed the rest of the book in search of anything redeeming and then tossed it. Couldn't believe the way Deseret Book picked it up after that and pushed it so hard for years. Ridiculous. I'm a regular Des Book customer because they have things no one else does, but I have a less respect for the company in recent years, as it has adopted the making-a-buck mantra over promoting really worthwhile stuff.

  • Interesting
    April 23, 2009 8:01 a.m.

    I find it interesting that they just now decided they don't want to sell the books as the entire series has been available and sold by Deseret Book for sometime now. A little late to make a moral statement don't you think? If the reason they don't want to carry it on their shelves is due to lagging sales then why didn't they come out and say that? Because they didn't, I doubt it is.

  • Wake up consumers!
    April 23, 2009 7:55 a.m.

    Deseret Book is only good for buying your scriptures. If any of you thought it was anything else (all those 'other' books aren't scripture, just a good way to make money by riding the wake of the church) this should be your WAKE UP call.

  • Concened Dad
    April 23, 2009 7:54 a.m.

    Deseret Book should stick to selling the scriptures and other works published only by general authorities or CES employees. And maybe a few (but not all) of the CD's made by the Tabernacle Choir. All other books, including "fiction" only corrupts the mind.

  • Orwell
    April 23, 2009 7:53 a.m.

    Always remember: BIG BROTHER knows best!

  • A little late
    April 23, 2009 7:53 a.m.

    I am happy with this decision, though I think it a bit late. It is hard to say to your child that a book is inappropriate when they can point to Deseret Book as if that is Church sanction. That assumed sanction is demonstrated in many of the posts here. I was disappointed to see them at DB in the first place. And don't bother to ask me if I have read them. I have never had a broken leg either, but I don't need to to know that it is a bad thing. Vampires, teenaged boy friend/girl friend relationship? How can that be a good thing? Even for us mothers. I agree, it is women's porn and probably inappropriate for everyone.

  • Janet
    April 23, 2009 7:52 a.m.

    I am a non Mormon member of a mostly Mormon book club and was surprised that the same mothers that were very careful about what their young girls read had no concern about the message these books were sending. I think they did not read the book with the same mind set they would use on other books because it was written by a Mormon. There is nothing wrong with the books and they are a good story but like all books they need to be read with the same concern that the parents of young girls use on all books and pay careful attention to what the message is to the younger reader. In this case a young girl is willing to go against her parents, the advice of friends and Edward himself that he is not the best choice for her and bottom line give up her life for love. Yes it all works out but what if it didn't and can you trust your child to choose another Edward, the odds are against that happening you just need to watch the news to know that. These books are for teenagers and not pre teen

  • Calm down people
    April 23, 2009 7:47 a.m.

    "don't over react" 6:54 a.m. has it right. Those of you trashing DB need to stop jumping to conclusions about why the book(s) were pulled. I tried to find very popular book on Amazon (John Adams by David McCullough hard back) and ended up buying it online from some obscure book store. Should I accuse Amazon of some conspiracy because I couldn't purchase it directly from Amazon?! If you can purchase the Twilight books for less at larger retail outlets, DB is probably not be selling as many at their stores and thus chose to stop carrying the series follow the money. On another note -- I've read the Twilight series and am LDS. The first three were entertaining - though the books do present a distorted view of relationships; however, it IS fiction after all. The last book was so stupid I couldn't believe any editor would recommend printing it in its present form. This ruined the series for me and I tossed out all her books -- will never read them again. Also read The Host -- had to force myself to finish that book. Tossed it too. To each his / her own!

  • Non-issue
    April 23, 2009 7:46 a.m.

    Deseret Book selling the book is not a religious endorsement. Get over it. Go buy your books somewhere else. You'll probably pay less anyway. I read the first two books and thought they were ok. I would't think they really fit into the Deseret Book "type" though. I also don't need to know every book that Deseret Book decides to stop selling. They probably make decisions like this weekly.

  • Big Deal
    April 23, 2009 7:46 a.m.

    The next news story should be about Fanzz stores no longer carrying Kent Benson jerseys. Somehow readers would turn this into some racial slant against people who are large, white, slow, and washed up. It's understandable to see why Fanzz would make a business decision to carry other jerseys that meet their goals and so it is with other business decisions, including Deseret Book which is owned by the LDS Church. QUIT CRYING EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!

  • Blessings
    April 23, 2009 7:44 a.m.

    we will get rich blessing if we do not read this book.

  • Diversity Double Speak
    April 23, 2009 7:44 a.m.

    "Our top priority is to meet the needs of our customers, who increasingly represent a variety of viewpoints..."

    Coming from Deseret Book with probably the most monolithic homogeneous target audience imaginable, what does this statement even mean?

  • Jana
    April 23, 2009 7:44 a.m.

    I haven't read the books but my young adult daughters found the main relationship disturbing. They felt that it was unhealthy to portray an abusive relationship as desirable. So, I support Deseret Books decision.

  • It was a business decission
    April 23, 2009 7:43 a.m.

    Stop your gripping already. This had nothing to do with censorship. It that were the case DB would have never sold it in the first place. The first book has been out how long? Come on wake up now that the DVD for the first movie is out the sales are dropping so why burden the in-store inventory with an older series when they can replace it with someting newer that is selling better. You can still order them online or you can go to Borders.

  • Joe
    April 23, 2009 7:42 a.m.

    This story shouldn't shock anyone! The last book had FAR to many sexual references to be carried at DB. Good thing their are book stores on EVERY CORNER!

    If anyone is angered by this, grow up and walk across the street to Barnes and Noble.

    I find this article to be shallow and NOT NEWS. My favorite part is when the writer interviews the girl that hasn't read the books, but heard they were good from friends.. I am dying for real news and so is this writer.

  • "Concerned Dad"...
    April 23, 2009 7:37 a.m.

    ...is clearly a troll. To call these books "smut" is the height of religious-crusader parody. I'm LDS, I read the first book (turned out to not really be my cup of tea), and I can say with good conviction that these pages are harmless. *Spoiler Alert* The worst thing that happens in these books is a kiss, with no tongue. Teeth, maybe, but no tongue.

  • Yes, I am disgusted!
    April 23, 2009 7:30 a.m.

    If the material was so inappropriate, why did DB carry them at all? Easy to pull the series after the profit checks are in the bank.
    Please save us from the self-righteous Utah parents who refuse to parent their children by telling them - "no, you can't read those books" instead of pulling them from a public library?!

  • Money the made
    April 23, 2009 7:25 a.m.

    I think the money was already made on the series so why keep it in the store? Readers can borrow copies from the library, friends or neighbors so buying them isn't necessary. I don't think it has anything to do with finally deciding they were in appropriate, they aren't bringing in as much revenue, and that's what business is all about.

  • sl
    April 23, 2009 7:17 a.m.

    LDS should stop wondering when the "great Mormon writers and artists" are going to come along (some do wonder about these things). In a puritanical publishing and marketing climate, it ain't going to happen.

  • Doodles
    April 23, 2009 7:16 a.m.

    I am glad there are still a few discriminating readers left who can tell the difference between soft porn and English literature. Twilight is a series of soft porn for girls and women who imagine themselves as the lackluster heroine whose infatuated boyfirend rescues her from the doldrums of real life to an exciting sexual fantasyland. I would never have these books available to young women as I find them them far from "virtuous, lovely, of good report or praiseworthy."

    With virtue one of my paramount values, there is much in our culture that I do not recommend. Kudos to Deseret Book for having the courage to take these books and any other of their nature off their shelves. How often does this happen? I think that it does not happen often enough. With so many great books to choose from, must we sink to this level for "entertainment?"

  • Wow
    April 23, 2009 7:16 a.m.

    To all you concerned parents out there, I have a news flash for you...your child unless they are home schooled and locked away from the rest of the world they are going to see and hear much worse. Sex is not taboo, I do not mean to suggest free love, children should be raised by their parents in what they feel is an appropriate moral standard. However there are people who seem to take this to the absolute extreme as if by doing so they can protect their precious darlings from everything out there. 'Smut' I hardly think so, Stephanie Meyer I think is pretty accurate with the teenage angst many of us felt when it came to the opposite sex. My daughter read all 4 of these books without her mother or I having to push her to read which was a first, and when questions come up we answered her questions honestly. I had a mission companion in the MTC who could not teach about chastity because his parents never talked about sex or allowed him to go to sex ed class. Please folks it's a natural part of life, teach it don't fear it

  • JALong
    April 23, 2009 7:13 a.m.

    I have read the first three books and my 14 year old daughter read all four. She felt that "Breaking Dawn" was definitely inappropriate--especially for teenagers.

  • Austen
    April 23, 2009 7:10 a.m.

    Very surprised Deseret even sold them...LDS writer choosing blood drinking vampire to portray as "good" and "desirable"...Good for Deseret

  • Why sell the Bible then?
    April 23, 2009 7:10 a.m.

    The Old Testament is filled with stories about incest, bestiality and other inappropriate things. I don't know if children should be exposed to that stuff either.

  • Knowwhat
    April 23, 2009 7:10 a.m.

    Get a life people, I don't think this decision by DB inhibited your ability to buy the book.

  • bravodeseretbook
    April 23, 2009 7:06 a.m.

    DB is not obligated to carry whatever popular tripe that comes on the market, even if it comes from a BYU grad. Thank you DB!

  • Mother's Dream
    April 23, 2009 7:02 a.m.

    Thank you Deseret Book! It's time we as members of the church take a good hard look at what is in media and literature. This book has no place in an LDS bookstore. It has sensual content,as well as violence that is bizarre. Do we really want to sexualize our children this way? Make no mistake, many children are reading this as well. And,am I the only person who read the passage where the heroine gets her leg broken by being stepped on? Come on people!
    jph1223, using this series as a missionary tool is a bit over the top! I know that these books are popular among many Latter-day Saints, but that doesn't make them appropriate. Many members today have such low standards that they can't see the rattlesnake in the picnic basket. My hats off to Deseret Book!

  • ANOTHER CHANCE TO LOOK SILLY
    April 23, 2009 7:02 a.m.

    The Dew-run DB has had many misteps.Some of these have cost DB REAL sales,while doing nothing for the "purity" level of the society they serve.Puritan steps that just make the organization look pea-brained do no one good.I'll not attack Ms.Dew personally,but I do not believe her outlook is the best for a company striving to COMPEETE in this commercial world.Frankly,I do not have a clue why anyone would want to go into DB and PAY MORE for anything another store would carry.I ONLY vist their outlet store now.Even that is a shadow of its former value to me.

  • don't over react
    April 23, 2009 6:54 a.m.

    I've worked in a bookstore around here and the books were extremely popular at first. Everyone who really wanted to read them has already done so. Seriously... you'd be surprised how quickly a store quits carrying a book after it's initial popularity runs out. This is just business and really... who is trying to stir up a hornets nest? Nothing to worry about!

  • Re: This is a good thing
    April 23, 2009 6:50 a.m.

    These books are just fine. I am amazed at all the people who censor books yet spend their time watching soap operas and reality TV. Soap operas are more explicit than the Twilight series... My own mother in law would not allow any TV on, except for her soaps and the Jazz games. But, she faithfully watched those soaps for years. And yes, I am LDS and have read all of them...

  • P0rn for Women
    April 23, 2009 6:43 a.m.

    These books are for women what p0rn is to men. It appeals to a woman's emotional intimacy issues and fills the same needs that men find served in illicit images. Good for Deseret Book.

  • Disgusted?
    April 23, 2009 6:43 a.m.

    A private company can do whatever they want and sell whatever they want. Just because she is an active member of the church doesn't mean her material is appropriate. You owe all of us an apology for such a ridiculous comment.

  • doing the two step
    April 23, 2009 6:39 a.m.

    wait is this not the same newspaper that a few days ago carried an article about books being recalled because they contained deadly chemicals, and did not people on these boards scream censorship despite the fact that newer copies of the books are widely available? Now people are making excuses for Deseret book pulling books of their shelves? Oh the hypocrisy of it all. Frankly I do not really care about their decision its their store and they can do what they want, its the silly comments on these boards i find disrupting.

  • Robert - St. George
    April 23, 2009 6:34 a.m.

    I am really surprised by the decision, but they can do as they wish. I didn't see anything wrong with the series of books, especially comparing them to Harry Potter. I am not LDS so I guess I don't have the inside feel for the decision based on the content of the books, but the author is active LDS so that was surprising. Maybe her being from Arizona makes her a bit more liberal than what Utah Mormons are use to. This one really stumps me. But then a lot of what happens in Utah stumps me. Gives me a chuckle now and then.

  • Sara
    April 23, 2009 6:32 a.m.

    I think the books which are written for a teenage audience are extremely inappropriate. They are filled with mature themes, and infatuation which is dubbed as true love. My daughter read them before I did, and when I read them I was so disappointed in them. I feel that the stories are teaching young girls a twisted view of love. True love is a lot more giving and mature than it is portrayed by this author. I think that Edward's character is mature in a way, but Bella is completely immature and unlikeable. The books were entertaining and an easy read, but completely not worthwhile. kudos to Deseret Book.

  • Concerned Dad
    April 23, 2009 6:27 a.m.

    I will sleep a little easier knowing my teenage daughters won't be able to get their hands on this kind of smut. It doesn't belong in a church-owned bookstore. And it doesn't belong in a public library, as shown by the courageous move of Brockbank Junior High in Magna.

    If we as parents are more vocal about our opposition to this kind of material, libraries and bookstores will be more reluctant to put it within easy reach of our children. Of course, I'm not suggesting outright book bans, but I do think we have a voice and should let it be heard.

  • This is News
    April 23, 2009 6:24 a.m.

    When the books consistently get more mature and the main character seems to be preoccupied with sex and they describe the breaking of furniture.... it is no wonder the books are no longer being sold at DB. And it would make sense they would pull the entire series even if the first books were more tame. I just wonder why DB is pulling punches by saying they have a diverse customer base. They should just come out and say that the books have become more mature than what is consistent with a religious book store should offer.

  • texian
    April 23, 2009 6:23 a.m.

    oh this is funny! I believe it was a business decision; if not, there are other stores like Wal-mart, where they are less expensive. If DB doesn't sell it, does that mean we can't read it? If that is the case, then what happened to agency? Just thinking . . .

  • Disgusted!
    April 23, 2009 5:48 a.m.

    Good job Deseret Book! Pull the books of the currently most popular nationwide author who has NEVER waivered in who she is - first a Mom, second an author, and that she is an active member of the LDS Church.
    I think you owe this good woman an apology.

  • ?
    April 23, 2009 5:48 a.m.

    Not appropriate compared to what? It's a Young Adult fiction novel, appropriate for that age group.

  • jph 1223
    April 23, 2009 5:22 a.m.

    I think Deseret Book can be a bit over the top in these decisions. I live in the East and the ladies at work love the Twilight series, so I've used it as a missioanry tool. Whenever there was an article about Stephanie Meyer going to BYU, I've shared it with them. My non-member co-workers also know that the Book of Mormon is not about vampires. My hat is tipped to Ms. Meyer and what she has accomplished.

  • no harm
    April 23, 2009 5:10 a.m.

    Novel Reading-

    Discourses of the prophet Brigham Young-

    I would have our people read novels
    rather than read nothing at all.

  • zgr
    April 23, 2009 4:55 a.m.

    I find it very odd that Deseret Book would pull the books. You can buy them at any Wal-Mart, etc -
    I have read all the books and have found nothing wrong with them, and think its a little silly for them to pull them. It bothers me that a bookstore would pull something just because it might be controversial to some. If the series is not selling, then I guess that would make sense, but I doubt that is the case.

    Zgr

  • Read the Story
    April 23, 2009 4:23 a.m.

    Did you all read the same story I did? Sales of this book series are lagging, so they pulled it from the shelves. They and the Church are not saying it's inappropriate or not. It's just not profitable right now.

    I don't read the books, but I heard somewhere that the latest book in the series is not as good as the others. That makes the whole series damaged goods for now. Capitalism 101, people.

  • Jillian
    April 23, 2009 2:07 a.m.

    This is very disappointing. I am LDS and have read all the books in the series, as have many people in my ward. There is nothing inappropriate in any of the books. Deseret Book has on their shelves other books that are being marketed as 'church books' that are actually quite explicit in certain sensitive areas. Anyone can walk into the store and pick these books off the shelf, yet the fictional Twilight saga has joined the ranks of banned books. It's another example of the objections of a few dictating the choices of the majority. It is unjust, unwarranted and should not happen.

  • What does ...
    April 23, 2009 1:57 a.m.

    Gail Wehunt think "deep" means, anyway?

  • who cares?
    April 23, 2009 1:26 a.m.

    what a non-story ...

  • This is a good thing
    April 22, 2009 11:30 p.m.

    I was always a little surprised that Deseret Book chose to sell these books, especially Eclipse and Breaking Dawn. It was like they didn't bother to read them and see if the content was appropriate. Reality check: it's not. Not for Deseret Book anyway.

  • Concerned Mother
    April 22, 2009 11:11 p.m.

    Honestly, I was concerned about some of the content in these stories. I will sleep a little easier knowing that people out there agree with me. It's sometimes unpopular to voice what you feel when there's a book that's so popular. You don't want to be a downer.

  • Anonymous
    April 22, 2009 10:50 p.m.

    just because they were written by a mormon and just because they are "more popular" than harry potter does not mean that they are appropriate and that everyone should read them.

  • anonymous
    April 22, 2009 9:56 p.m.

    Since i have the books, i don't really care if they pull. But i do have to say i was shocked that they would be pulled; they were starting to become more popular than Harry Potter.

  • bettyjean
    April 22, 2009 9:54 p.m.

    Hello people, just go to another store. If one store doesn't want your money there are other stores that do. I don't know maybe Borders or Barns and Noble will still carry your precious "Twilight" series. Get a grip on reality.

  • Ryan Jennens
    April 22, 2009 9:45 p.m.

    oh believe me, they were selling. Breaking Dawn has been at the top of the list nationwide for nearly 40 weeks now. Maybe they were just there too long. Other than that, it seems kind of stupid to pull it...

  • Anonymous
    April 22, 2009 9:16 p.m.

    If these Books were appropriate to shelve *before* why aren't they *now*?

    Shouldnt they have read them and realized that some might find them risqu and automatically placed them online from the get-go???

  • Edward
    April 22, 2009 9:15 p.m.

    Maybe the book wasn't selling anymore so Deseret Book made a business decision to pull the book? Is this really news?

  • Noooo!!!!
    April 22, 2009 9:02 p.m.

    But if she went to BYU, shouldn't her book be sold at Deseret Book?