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Isn't it nice? | 4:36 p.m. April 21, 2009
That Orrin Hatch and Ted Kennedy can link arms once again around an enormous
spending bill, and voters in Utah are so in awe of their senior Senator who is
so compassionate as to honor his dear friend and colleague of many, many years
by naming the bill after him? Let's see, in the spirit of compromise, ask
yourselves who moved further Hatch or Kennedy? I'll give you a clue --
it's not the one from Massachusetts. And this is what we sent Hatch to
Washington to do? Give me a break!
If you get paid to volunteer. . | 4:38 p.m. April 21, 2009
. . . is it really volunteering?
awsomeron | 4:40 p.m. April 21, 2009
Can we all say "Chappaquiddick", "can we all say Mary Jo." I
would wish Kennedy well but it would be a bold face lie.
As for Hatch, I have few greater Heroes. His song writing ability is amazing.
He is an example of how to get along but I just would not want to get along with Kennedy. John and Bobby Yes. Teddy, Not So Much!
There is Not Harm in serving your Country for two years. As long as the selection process is fair.
Missionaries prove all the time that you can leave College and serve and pick up where you left off. You should even come out better for it.
B. O. is going to receive a reality check soon. Most of those getting it for free do not WANT to Serve. The Right Wing Talk People call it Forced Service. I want to see it enacted and the law suits against it before I think that .
I would prefer a Draft (Men and Women) before AmariCorps, Job Core or anything else.
The WPA ended in part because of High Court Rulings and Unions. People taking what would be real job. A source for cheap labor Not.
As for Hatch, I have few greater Heroes. His song writing ability is amazing.
He is an example of how to get along but I just would not want to get along with Kennedy. John and Bobby Yes. Teddy, Not So Much!
There is Not Harm in serving your Country for two years. As long as the selection process is fair.
Missionaries prove all the time that you can leave College and serve and pick up where you left off. You should even come out better for it.
B. O. is going to receive a reality check soon. Most of those getting it for free do not WANT to Serve. The Right Wing Talk People call it Forced Service. I want to see it enacted and the law suits against it before I think that .
I would prefer a Draft (Men and Women) before AmariCorps, Job Core or anything else.
The WPA ended in part because of High Court Rulings and Unions. People taking what would be real job. A source for cheap labor Not.
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The biggest charity on Earth | 4:47 p.m. April 21, 2009
What is the government of the United States of America? And that's what
you call "Double Jeopardy," or the "Jeopardy Daily Double."
Put legitimate charities on the ropes with no funding and fund the biggest
charity on Earth with taxpayer dollars. Oh, and the best part -- the biggest
spendthrift president in the history of this country thinks you've done
something really great. Congratulations, Senator Hatch. We all join the
president in patting you on the back. You've hit the "screw the
taxpayer into the ground" jackpot by disguising a massive spending bill as
charitable service. Thanks Senator Hatch for making it all possible. We
can't wait to send you back there again for another six-year term in 2012,
so you can continue to honor your colleague, Teddy Kennedy, posthumously long
after he's dead and buried. After all, you'll be 78 years old when we
elect you again, and then you'll be 84 years old when your next term
expires. Keep up the good work. Maybe Kennedy's heirs will recognize you
someday too in exchange for your wonderful work in rehabilitating their
scandal-ridden family member so regularly throughout your life.
Craig | 4:49 p.m. April 21, 2009
This is not service. People are being paid. It is goverment paid employment to
help communities. It would have been nice to have a true service program with
out spending billions of dollars. Shame on Hatch he knows the difference and
played dumb. My daughters came in upset after raking the neighbors leaves. He
caught us and gave us some money now it is not service but a job. If elementary
age girls can understand this concept surely two of our US Senators can. Nice
thought behind it but a big mistake in how it will be administered.
Anonymous | 5:28 p.m. April 21, 2009
Come back and say that after you've been working for 10 months straight
without getting paid and having to pay all your own expenses. Even what they get
paid is minimal at best. Hardly a living wage.
jack | 5:29 p.m. April 21, 2009
Ted Kennedy never stopped asking what he could do for his country? Are you
kidding me?
This aristocrat has TAKEN and never given.
Term limits, no more dynasties.
This aristocrat has TAKEN and never given.
Term limits, no more dynasties.
Utahn | 5:37 p.m. April 21, 2009
Can we please all agree not to vote for Hatch again? I am a Utah reformed
Republican (libertarian) and I will vote for anyone but Hatch next time, even if
it is a Democrat. I am tired of RINOS and tired of Hatch and Bennett.
Re: Jack | 6:30 p.m. April 21, 2009
We have term limits. They're called elections. If the constituents agree
with him, then he gets to stay. If they're complacent and/or apathetic, he
stays. If he pisses off his constituents, he's voted out.
Why is it necessary to write a law to do what voters either choose not to do or refuse to do? If you aren't willing to vote intelligently, then don't ask for a law to make the decision for you.
I happen to like Sen. Kennedy and the service he has rendered for his country.
For a state filled with conservatives who are against big government, want the President to fail, and continue to compare everything the President does to a Socialist/Marxist agenda with obviously no or limited understanding of what those terms mean, a law mandating term limits, taking that power and basic building block of a republic democracy away from the people, you're looking a lot more Fascist/Marxist/Socialist, than anything Obama has done.
Why is it necessary to write a law to do what voters either choose not to do or refuse to do? If you aren't willing to vote intelligently, then don't ask for a law to make the decision for you.
I happen to like Sen. Kennedy and the service he has rendered for his country.
For a state filled with conservatives who are against big government, want the President to fail, and continue to compare everything the President does to a Socialist/Marxist agenda with obviously no or limited understanding of what those terms mean, a law mandating term limits, taking that power and basic building block of a republic democracy away from the people, you're looking a lot more Fascist/Marxist/Socialist, than anything Obama has done.
GTO | 6:34 p.m. April 21, 2009
Ted Kennedy and service do not go together in the same sentence! What a phoney
Obama is for signing it and what a phoney Kennedy is for accepting it! Worthless
piece of trash exchanged by two scam artists congratulating each other on their
"greatness". Can you imagine Mother Terresa accepting such a thing?
Pride and arrogance!
Anon 808 | 6:38 p.m. April 21, 2009
If you get Paid: Yes it is, still Volunteering. I Volunteered for 8 year in the
Army and I got paid, No one forced me. I do Foster Care, We volunteered for the
training, and we get Paid. We still open our home. It takes our time, kids get
sick, see shrinks, have School Issues, Curt Hearing etc. Plus you have to be
around for comfort and Turma. My Foster Kids played Basketball transportation
and going to some games.
I Volunteer to raise my Grandson, thats for free, but I get blessing etc. Also most of the same as above.
Some people I know Volunteered to go to Vietnam. Some for the Combat Pay ($75 dollars a month more).
Some Males Volunteer to Impregnate a Service Mans wife while he is defending America. Some Servicemen come back and Volunteer to raise their kid regardless. Some Volunteering is Good Some Not So Much.
Unless you are rich enough to work for free, or someone supports you. Then you have to get paid. At least Min Wage or they are in violation of Labor Laws.
I am on No side of this. Just see it play out for Woops and Giggles.
I Volunteer to raise my Grandson, thats for free, but I get blessing etc. Also most of the same as above.
Some people I know Volunteered to go to Vietnam. Some for the Combat Pay ($75 dollars a month more).
Some Males Volunteer to Impregnate a Service Mans wife while he is defending America. Some Servicemen come back and Volunteer to raise their kid regardless. Some Volunteering is Good Some Not So Much.
Unless you are rich enough to work for free, or someone supports you. Then you have to get paid. At least Min Wage or they are in violation of Labor Laws.
I am on No side of this. Just see it play out for Woops and Giggles.
lost in DC | 6:41 p.m. April 21, 2009
I'll admit I didn't read the article, just the headline. When I saw
the title, "kennedy service act", I had to ask myself, "What was
he being served, a double scotch on the rocks or a subpoena?" He has never
given any type of service unless it has been self-service
William Blake | 9:39 p.m. April 21, 2009
re: Obama signs national service legislation
I have written to many folks, including most of those mentioned in todays volunteer legislation articles, concerning a basic community based solution to both harness the renewed volunteerism and our home-foreclosure problem. Most nonprofits cannot hold assets however, a 509(a)1 can, and if it is also mission driven around housing, which means it can hold both the house asset and the mortgage paper, against houses.
This makes it a quasi-bank; it can hold the house going into foreclosure, modify the loan around the current owners ability to make monthly payments. The reduced dollar amount on the first mortgage would be held as a soft second mortgage, to be repaid through volunteerism (e.g. for every hour worked/volunteered, would reduce the second mortgage by $20).
There is only one organization that I am familiar with that fits this bill, the Affordable Housing Center (AHC), 509(a)1; it has the potential to be the hub for HUD foreclosures and the vehicle for (a broader) volunteer coordination.
Duplicate postings of my response will be made to other articles, in hopes to begin a larger discussion.
I have written to many folks, including most of those mentioned in todays volunteer legislation articles, concerning a basic community based solution to both harness the renewed volunteerism and our home-foreclosure problem. Most nonprofits cannot hold assets however, a 509(a)1 can, and if it is also mission driven around housing, which means it can hold both the house asset and the mortgage paper, against houses.
This makes it a quasi-bank; it can hold the house going into foreclosure, modify the loan around the current owners ability to make monthly payments. The reduced dollar amount on the first mortgage would be held as a soft second mortgage, to be repaid through volunteerism (e.g. for every hour worked/volunteered, would reduce the second mortgage by $20).
There is only one organization that I am familiar with that fits this bill, the Affordable Housing Center (AHC), 509(a)1; it has the potential to be the hub for HUD foreclosures and the vehicle for (a broader) volunteer coordination.
Duplicate postings of my response will be made to other articles, in hopes to begin a larger discussion.
K | 10:19 p.m. April 21, 2009
If you didn't like the stipend then why did you do it?
What sort of service will participants be required to do? Will it take the place of jobs that people can do to actually make a living?
What was wrong with Americorp that they couldn't just improve or spend more on that? Why another program? Is it just to stroke each other and put something else down as list of tasks accomplished?
What sort of service will participants be required to do? Will it take the place of jobs that people can do to actually make a living?
What was wrong with Americorp that they couldn't just improve or spend more on that? Why another program? Is it just to stroke each other and put something else down as list of tasks accomplished?
D from Pitt | 10:54 p.m. April 21, 2009
I never knew there was so much opposition to volunteering..I think it's a
great way to get people, young and old, out there in their communities! There
are many ways to volunteer, and Lynn Smith on March 29th wrote about how she
dedicated 20 yrs to her country and she basically doesn't want this
"volunteering" for her son--your son doesn't have to join the
military..(that is an option, but not the only one) and it's not what this
Act is saying, so it's OK.
On the issue of the added incentives, I know that the Act seems to have some of these "if you do this, we'll give you that", but bottomline people--it's good for you, your children and your neighbors to volunteer and build that part of your life, because it really can challenge you to recognize this notion that there are other people in the world that matter too, and you can do something to impact their lives. Essentially, the benefits outweigh any potential flaws. How is there anything wrong with that? I just ask that you consider it.
On the issue of the added incentives, I know that the Act seems to have some of these "if you do this, we'll give you that", but bottomline people--it's good for you, your children and your neighbors to volunteer and build that part of your life, because it really can challenge you to recognize this notion that there are other people in the world that matter too, and you can do something to impact their lives. Essentially, the benefits outweigh any potential flaws. How is there anything wrong with that? I just ask that you consider it.
Giving | 1:53 a.m. April 22, 2009
Congrats on some movement towards charity and love.
Selfish pride has reined too long! Now its time to give back to the community in service.
How about a bill that requires senators and the president to work at a food/homeless shelter once a week and show it on tv so we know it happened?
Selfish pride has reined too long! Now its time to give back to the community in service.
How about a bill that requires senators and the president to work at a food/homeless shelter once a week and show it on tv so we know it happened?
Hmmm | 5:13 a.m. April 22, 2009
If you get forced to volunteer, is it really volunteering and is it really true
charity and love?
Garret Bangerter | 5:26 a.m. April 22, 2009
Hatch has lost his perspective and is no longer a "Utahn" but another
spend spend spend Washington politician who is more interested in Orin Hatch
than representing his constituents. When are these guys going to stop
irresponsibly spending our hard earned dollars! 5.7 billion dollars - GIVE ME A
BREAK - It's time to put some people in Washington who haven't lost
touch with the reality and understand that you cannot continue to spend money
you don't have. The working man would be in jail if he spent as
irresponsibly as congress recently has - both democrats and republicans. When
are we going to say ENOUGH!
pJarhead | 5:40 a.m. April 22, 2009
And which Article give the federal government the power and authority to take
from our pockets and do this? Nice of them to volunteer my earnings yet
again...
Bill | 6:24 a.m. April 22, 2009
Stage 1 of the New Obama Civilian National security force complete.
MR whiskers | 6:58 a.m. April 22, 2009
you can volunteer but you get paid it changes.. Ted kennedy never done anything
for his country yet. He's still breathing, mary jo isent, neither is the
child she was caring. ted lives off of other people like a vulture.
New Yorker | 7:22 a.m. April 22, 2009
term limits for both.
Get a Clue | 7:25 a.m. April 22, 2009
That's a lot of money for volunteers. Hatch is just another RINO.
The result will be... | 7:32 a.m. April 22, 2009
more votes for democrats. The more people they can get sucking from the
government teat, the more votes they get. It's very simple. Hatch is an
enabler- like a 20 year old who buys booze for teenagers. He's helping to
spend America into financial ruin. This is a glaring example why all
republicans should be voted out and replaced by conservatives.
What a joke | 7:34 a.m. April 22, 2009
I do agree that serving in the military is service. But to say that by being
forced into these "volunteer" programs and to be paid, is not truly
service. Good job Hatch...I don't think the conservatives in Utah are
going to stand with you any longer. Most of us serve without pay in many, many
different functions. We know the difference.
Hatch has gone too far. | 8:17 a.m. April 22, 2009
Please, anyone, run against Hatch. He no longer represents Utah. He believes,
like Kennedy, that the government should control and guide our lives, rather
than the other way around.
The people should guide and control the government. This "volunteer" program is just another step to make the people reliant on the government, to strengthen the government's control over us and our children - and force us to pay for it. Chaffetz, please take Hatch out next election!
The people should guide and control the government. This "volunteer" program is just another step to make the people reliant on the government, to strengthen the government's control over us and our children - and force us to pay for it. Chaffetz, please take Hatch out next election!
No Fan | 8:19 a.m. April 22, 2009
I'm not a fan of Ted Kennedy. While I don't agree with him over
several issues i do think he is sincere. I feel bad for him and from the
picture it looks like he won't last much longer.
My sister worked for Americorps and I can tell you that it is a great organization. This is one government program I can agree with because it keeps giving.
My sister worked for Americorps and I can tell you that it is a great organization. This is one government program I can agree with because it keeps giving.
my take | 8:23 a.m. April 22, 2009
This is just another medium or organization to indoctrinate young minds to think
like a marxist and act like a welfare recipient. HMMMM, lets see, who shall I
vote for? The chosen one!
dave4197 | 8:50 a.m. April 22, 2009
Kudos to Sen Hatch. This is a good bill that continues the gov't support
of service to others. Now if the whining posters above will stop fighting each
other and start helping others in the spirit of friendly service, we can improve
our communities and other places in this world. Sen Hatch is a good example for
us.
John Z | 9:12 a.m. April 22, 2009
Re: pJarhead >
Try reading Art. I, sec. 8, para. 18, and the 16th Amendment, both in the U.S. Constitution.
You may not like the legislation and it may not achieve its intended objectives, but it is perfectly constitutional.
Cosmo | 9:35 a.m. April 22, 2009
Thank you Senator Hatch and Kennedy for expanding the size and scope of an ever
expanding Federal Leviathan. I am sure this is just what America needed, to help
increase taxes and more deficit spending.
SJ | 9:55 a.m. April 22, 2009
To all left-wing liberals and right-wing conservatives: I encourage you to each
take a few steps towards the middle. Neither extreme is completely correct. If
we all stop bickering and actually attempted to work together you may find you
actually have something in common. It is only by working together that we can
fix this nation and make truly great once again.
Bob | 10:11 a.m. April 22, 2009
I agree with Mr. Obama and I've decided to follow the example of these fine
Senators. I have made myself a date with a young lady, where we will attend
parties in the country. If something bad happens to her, I will rescue my
reputation. I've also decided to support my nephew who has also fallen
into trouble and make sure our common namesake is not sullied further. And
I've ventured into selling whiskey, rum and all other spirits and taking a
small commission. All the while writing hymns and breezing along believing life
is good.
Yup, two fine fellows.
Yup, two fine fellows.
Anonymous | 10:18 a.m. April 22, 2009
First, Re: Re Jack
"We have term limits. They're called elections. If the constituents agree with him, then he gets to stay..."
That's true to a point ... the one little thing that messes that idea up is $$$. There are dynasties and aristocracies in the US political system because of it.
Second: The government needs to stop allocating OUR money to the charities it finds politically correct. I'd rather choose where my charity money goes - typically, it would be to churches and to the smaller charities - the kind that literally have to compete now with the government - who will actually get the job done (not spend all its money on bureaucracy and overhead).
"We have term limits. They're called elections. If the constituents agree with him, then he gets to stay..."
That's true to a point ... the one little thing that messes that idea up is $$$. There are dynasties and aristocracies in the US political system because of it.
Second: The government needs to stop allocating OUR money to the charities it finds politically correct. I'd rather choose where my charity money goes - typically, it would be to churches and to the smaller charities - the kind that literally have to compete now with the government - who will actually get the job done (not spend all its money on bureaucracy and overhead).
Conservative? | 10:55 a.m. April 22, 2009
Mr. Obama referred to Senator Hatch as a "conservative from Utah."
Comparatively speaking, I s'pose Hatch is "conservative." Even
Kennedy might be "conservative" next to our new socialist neighborhood
organizer president.
I'm with those who say Hatch is a RINO... and would make a good Poster Boy for Term Limits.
(The Constitution is awesome... but there's no provision to guarantee that CITIZENS will legislate. And they should've put a Balanced Budget Amendment in there, too.)
I'm with those who say Hatch is a RINO... and would make a good Poster Boy for Term Limits.
(The Constitution is awesome... but there's no provision to guarantee that CITIZENS will legislate. And they should've put a Balanced Budget Amendment in there, too.)
Saddened by closed minds! | 10:56 a.m. April 22, 2009
Obviously several of the posters on this forum don't understand how
AmeriCorp operates. I was privileged to work with some AmeriCorp volunteers in
Utah on a technology initiative. While they did get a small pay, it wasn't
enough to live on, receiving about $5000 per year. In addition, their job was to
coordinate volunteer efforts in the community to provide computers and training
to underprivileged kids and schools throughout Utah. They put in long hours, far
more than 40 per week, they worked with hundreds of people, and they made a
difference. If these people hadn't been willing to put their
education/employment plans on hold for a year, some very good things and
volunteer opportunities for hundreds, never would have happened!! I applaud
Hatch, Kennedy, the rest of Congress, and President Obama for seeing the real
value of this program.
CTC | 11:01 a.m. April 22, 2009
No one is volunteer if they get paid to do it.
Hey D from Pitt, | 11:09 a.m. April 22, 2009
you have to understand that "volunteerism" means something a little
different in these parts.
"Volunteerism" isn't motivated by money, it's motivated by the promise that one's soul will go to a sweet place after death.
Not to mention, around these parts, most of the "volunteerism" goes toward helping one's own tribe, which is in itself a fairly good motivation.
So, they're not so much against "volunteerism" itself, they just have a *very* different flavor of it.
"Volunteerism" isn't motivated by money, it's motivated by the promise that one's soul will go to a sweet place after death.
Not to mention, around these parts, most of the "volunteerism" goes toward helping one's own tribe, which is in itself a fairly good motivation.
So, they're not so much against "volunteerism" itself, they just have a *very* different flavor of it.
re: cosmo | 11:33 a.m. April 22, 2009
every fifty years or so, one of the major political parties totally breaks down
into two or more factions, and eventually one of those factions returns to
battle for control of america's vote.
right now, the GOP is about ten years behind schedule on their explosion. when conservative americans are already complaining about increased federal spending, and their GOP representatives in DC are "meeting in the middle" to continue that increase, something's gotta give.
that's good news for you core conservatives, but there's a caveat. as the infighting continues to determine where the GOP will turn for answers, the democratic party builds momentum.
so for everybody clowning on hatch for agreeing to spend a bunch more money and the rest of the republicans that are doing the same, there is light at the end of the tunnel.
but the tunnel is pretty long.
right now, the GOP is about ten years behind schedule on their explosion. when conservative americans are already complaining about increased federal spending, and their GOP representatives in DC are "meeting in the middle" to continue that increase, something's gotta give.
that's good news for you core conservatives, but there's a caveat. as the infighting continues to determine where the GOP will turn for answers, the democratic party builds momentum.
so for everybody clowning on hatch for agreeing to spend a bunch more money and the rest of the republicans that are doing the same, there is light at the end of the tunnel.
but the tunnel is pretty long.
Whats in a name? | 11:39 a.m. April 22, 2009
I guess I have too long of a memory. Whenever I see Senator Kennedy I think of
Mary Jo Kopeckne, I see Kennedy defending his nephew that was convicted(sort of)
of rape while on a family outing. I think of the Kennedy fortune offshore to
avoid any taxes. It is true that he ha been in the U.S. Senate for a long time,
but when I think of real service,I think of his brothers. I would prefer a
service program not be named after him. As far as Orrin Hatch goes, He just
belongs to the "good buddy club" that goes on in Wahington. I think
there are alot of egotistical people that "serve" in Washington that
accidentally do some good from time to time. I think Kennedy is one of those.
Question | 11:50 a.m. April 22, 2009
Some posters have questioned if it really counts as volunteer work if you get
paid to do it. That is a valid question. An equally valid - and related -
question: If you get a tax deduction for charity, is it really charity?
Isn't claiming a tax deduction the same as getting paid for your charity
giving or volunteer work?
Paying attention | 11:50 a.m. April 22, 2009
Has anyone else noticed that Mr. Obama has been saying things that we have heard
for a very long time from the LDS Church? "Put Your Shoulder To The
Wheel" isn't an original statement, but I wonder where he is getting
these special insightful comments? I'm going to be paying very close
attention to all further comments that seem like quotes from the Prophets or
lyrics from hymns.
Nigel | 12:42 p.m. April 22, 2009
My opinion is that small stipends for work done in charitable programs does not
dilute the word charitable. Some people could not afford to serve with out
modest pay to meet basic needs. I don't think that you can pay for some
acts of kindness and generousity. Becuase someone recieves money to take in
foster children in no way pays the cost. I know, I did that. Sometimes folks
working in charitable programs are risking their health, are sometimes in danger
and are devoting time to projects that others like to talk about but would in no
way participate in. Its easy to "know all" when you are just sitting
on the bench. Get on the playing field and see how the action changes your
opinion.
More votes for the Socialist | 12:53 p.m. April 22, 2009
Another effort on the part of Obama to enlarge his voter base. One question for
the big liberal Kennedy - Did any terrorist die due to waterboarding?
Chappaquiddick was not just a waterboarding experience - a person with a name
was killed - she drowned and it was your fault!
Laura | 2:35 p.m. April 22, 2009
*sigh* We don't need government to spend our tax money to provide
opportunities to serve. *sigh* Next, we'll be told that our donations
will not be deductible because the Americorps bill needs funding. *BIG sigh*
Do well honestly think that Americans don't know how to serve? Well, I
guess we'll never know for sure so long as government is heading up the
force.
People? Where is this going to end? Please, please, please think this through. We are being lead down the yellow brick road, encouraged arm and arm, singing our 'let's all be neighbors feel good song' to pure socialism. And if you have never studied true socialism...please do so. Do so with open minds not to prove but to learn. Please, before it's too late.
People? Where is this going to end? Please, please, please think this through. We are being lead down the yellow brick road, encouraged arm and arm, singing our 'let's all be neighbors feel good song' to pure socialism. And if you have never studied true socialism...please do so. Do so with open minds not to prove but to learn. Please, before it's too late.
Alison Moore Smith | 2:47 p.m. April 22, 2009
Decades ago I campaigned for Hatch. Now I think it's high time to give both
Hatch and Bennett the boot. Forget the "service bill," they
aren't serving US! Another 5.7 BILLION of our dollars stolen.
VOTE OUT HATCH AND BENNETT!
VOTE OUT HATCH AND BENNETT!
The President asked | 2:52 p.m. April 22, 2009
. . . for us to "stand up and play [our] part." He didn't
mention what Ted Kennedy's part was.
How about coarsening the image of American politicians? How about helping to create a climate of dependency on government so strong we'll never climb out from underneath it? How about cynically aiding and abetting the slaughter of millions of innocents, in violation of his own religious beliefs? How about leaving a young staffer he'd adulterously impregnated to drown so he wouldn't be arrested for DUI?
I'd be ashamed to serve in a service corps named after Ted Kennedy. Thank goodness there's still the US Military.
How about coarsening the image of American politicians? How about helping to create a climate of dependency on government so strong we'll never climb out from underneath it? How about cynically aiding and abetting the slaughter of millions of innocents, in violation of his own religious beliefs? How about leaving a young staffer he'd adulterously impregnated to drown so he wouldn't be arrested for DUI?
I'd be ashamed to serve in a service corps named after Ted Kennedy. Thank goodness there's still the US Military.
Matt | 3:50 p.m. April 22, 2009
Government is trying to take over one more aspect of American private life.
There are millions of private organizations, including churches, that provide
Americans many opportunities to serve in their communities. We don't need
government to spend taxpayer dollars to attempt to create opportunities that
already exist.
Hey Question at 11:50 | 3:57 p.m. April 22, 2009
Are you really so stupid that you cannot see the difference between the two?
Critical thinking skills are obviously not one of your strong points.
Oh Boy.... | 7:10 a.m. April 23, 2009
Just one more example that Hatch has been in Washington too long. Ya, lets make
everyone volunteer...that builds community spirit.
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I wanted to tell them not to go. I dropped subtle hints. "My money is on...
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Congratulations to Max and the second place MWC finish. Good Luck on the...
Please, Tina. You want a team with honor to play in your bowl. The Utes are...
Reprimand or not, the score was still 26-23. Go BYU!!!
is class on and off the field, unlike Max Hall.
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CTR .. choose to RANT .. typical BYU
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