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Just wondering | 2:57 p.m. April 16, 2009
Some years ago, as a priesthood leader, I visited many in my area who had names
as membership in the congregation - but who never attended our services. They,
in every case, had asked not to be contacted by Church members.
I did feel impressed to visit them. And in doing so, I invited them to have regular visits in their homes. I invited them to return to church services. If they wished, I provided directions on how to permanently sever their name from the church.
Of the 40 I visited, all but 4 accepted regular visits. Several returned to church activity. And in a few months, several had even made or renewed covenants in the temple. The 4 withdrew themselves.
I concluded that the Lord is at the door and opens to those who wish to enter - and very few actually want to turn away from the truth they once held.
I did feel impressed to visit them. And in doing so, I invited them to have regular visits in their homes. I invited them to return to church services. If they wished, I provided directions on how to permanently sever their name from the church.
Of the 40 I visited, all but 4 accepted regular visits. Several returned to church activity. And in a few months, several had even made or renewed covenants in the temple. The 4 withdrew themselves.
I concluded that the Lord is at the door and opens to those who wish to enter - and very few actually want to turn away from the truth they once held.
Bill | 2:59 p.m. April 16, 2009
So many get caught up with what names are put in text and then destroy the names
thinking someone is bragging. It was no brag but a solid statement.
If you want to read about Amanda Barnes Smith read about it in Church History, mainly about Haun's Mill. By the way before you attack that. Her family arrived at Haun's Mill the night before on their way to Far West Missouri.
The actions after that tells of the faith of this remarkable woman who would journey from Missouri on to Nauvoo and then with the westward trek into the Great Salt Lake.
Just because she is my relative doesn't make her faith any more remarkable to others. My testimony stands on its own laurels not her's or her prosterity. That was the whole point some of missed. That is why her actions were left out and still left out. That is why the actions of some of children are left out. My testimony is because of me, not her. Every member of the LDS Church is a convert. Sooner or later the 8 year old will have to stand on their own.
If you want to read about Amanda Barnes Smith read about it in Church History, mainly about Haun's Mill. By the way before you attack that. Her family arrived at Haun's Mill the night before on their way to Far West Missouri.
The actions after that tells of the faith of this remarkable woman who would journey from Missouri on to Nauvoo and then with the westward trek into the Great Salt Lake.
Just because she is my relative doesn't make her faith any more remarkable to others. My testimony stands on its own laurels not her's or her prosterity. That was the whole point some of missed. That is why her actions were left out and still left out. That is why the actions of some of children are left out. My testimony is because of me, not her. Every member of the LDS Church is a convert. Sooner or later the 8 year old will have to stand on their own.
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Another Life-long Member | 3:33 p.m. April 16, 2009
To Bill and all the others,
Did you READ our comments? Apparently not.
I repeat, many of us (far more than you realize) HAVE read the Book of Mormon "through and through". We have prayed with a sincere heart, with real intent. We HAVE lived the Gospel as well as anyone can. We have done all the things the Church says we are supposed to do and STILL we have concluded that Joseph Smith was NOT a prophet of God! I KNOW this as well as I know anything! The Church is NOT what it claims to be.
But hypocrites like you (and almost every other member I have ever met) ALWAYS turn it around and accuse ME of being a sinner or unworthy or NOT sincere or something! I took Moroni's challenge repeatedly for many years as I was raised in the Church, and the "promise" was NEVER kept! I NEVER received a testimony of the Book of Mormon, of Joseph Smith, or of the Restored Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I received the OPPOSITE: a firm conviction that Joseph was NOT a prophet and the BOM & Church are NOT true.
Did you READ our comments? Apparently not.
I repeat, many of us (far more than you realize) HAVE read the Book of Mormon "through and through". We have prayed with a sincere heart, with real intent. We HAVE lived the Gospel as well as anyone can. We have done all the things the Church says we are supposed to do and STILL we have concluded that Joseph Smith was NOT a prophet of God! I KNOW this as well as I know anything! The Church is NOT what it claims to be.
But hypocrites like you (and almost every other member I have ever met) ALWAYS turn it around and accuse ME of being a sinner or unworthy or NOT sincere or something! I took Moroni's challenge repeatedly for many years as I was raised in the Church, and the "promise" was NEVER kept! I NEVER received a testimony of the Book of Mormon, of Joseph Smith, or of the Restored Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I received the OPPOSITE: a firm conviction that Joseph was NOT a prophet and the BOM & Church are NOT true.
To Moriah | 3:33 p.m. April 16, 2009
I can understand your frustation with some of us imperfect members of the church
and the feelings of despair you must feel when many prayers about the Book of
Mormon seem to go unanswered. I feel the need to tell you the Lord loves you
for the good moral and clean lifestyle you lead. You are His child and He knows
you and He loves you and knows you are trying to do what you feel is right.
St George Horse Girl | 3:43 p.m. April 16, 2009
Well, speaking of pioneers..i had one LDS pioneer who was there near the
Mountain Meadow Massacre. This the worst story I have ever read about in my
entire life on church history. I don't think all LDS history is wonderful
or creates strong testimonies. I don't know why these so called historians
keep wasting time and money to prove something that is not there with this very
SICK massacre tragedy. Everyone who had family that were involved in the MMM
pretty much know already what happened, and that Mr.John D Lee raped some young
girls before he slit their throats and more. None of this stuff helps me out or
give me an uplifting feelings about any of the early church leaders(BY). I
wished these historians who STOP writing this stuff, and who never had ancestors
involved in the MMM. These historians think they know everything about it and
even make up stuff. I wished they would all simply dust off! Liars and trouble
makers.
Herb Gravy | 3:43 p.m. April 16, 2009
May God bless us, each and everyone!
Nate | 4:09 p.m. April 16, 2009
I don't mind that the people are imperfect, I mind that the leaders are
imperfect but claim that they lead a perfect church, I don't follow their
logic.
I perfer to be evil and seek a sign, I will not belive until Jesus Christ speaks at General Confrence. I will only belive after that sign and only if he sticks around, no turning things over to imperfect leaders again. I don't want him taking off and never showing up again. If Christ showed himself to JS, why didn't Christ keep JS in check?
I perfer to be evil and seek a sign, I will not belive until Jesus Christ speaks at General Confrence. I will only belive after that sign and only if he sticks around, no turning things over to imperfect leaders again. I don't want him taking off and never showing up again. If Christ showed himself to JS, why didn't Christ keep JS in check?
Moriah | 4:10 p.m. April 16, 2009
To 3:33 p.m.
"I feel the need to tell you the Lord loves you for the good moral and clean lifestyle you lead. You are His child and He knows you and He loves you and knows you are trying to do what you feel is right."
If God loves me, let him tell me Himself. The number of freaks out there who are willing to tell you that God loves you are legion! God doesn't work that way.
"I feel the need to tell you the Lord loves you for the good moral and clean lifestyle you lead. You are His child and He knows you and He loves you and knows you are trying to do what you feel is right."
If God loves me, let him tell me Himself. The number of freaks out there who are willing to tell you that God loves you are legion! God doesn't work that way.
suzyk | 4:26 p.m. April 16, 2009
To: Ernest T Bass...You don't know what you are talking about so you ought
to quit before your make a blitering fool of yourself. Your ignorance to the
facts and numbers is overwhelming. People like you have no business quoting or
spatting verbal trash when that is all it is.
Jon B. Holbrook | 4:30 p.m. April 16, 2009
The real Ernest T. Bass on the "Andy Griffith Show" was a little crazy
but he didn't misstate the facts. Even Deputy Sheriff Barney Fife and Opie
Taylor could figure him out. They knew the real Ernest T. Bass. Andy, Barney and
Opie would say that the one above is a fake.
GeeBee | 4:33 p.m. April 16, 2009
Everyone's arguing about who's a prophet of GOD and what church GOD
must run...
My question is...of the THOUSANDS of gods thought up throughout history, what (beyond your special "feelings") makes YOUR particular version THE ONE?
I've got news for you...the earth is older than 6,000 years, there is no archaeological evidence for Exodus, Noah's Ark, King Solomon, or Israelites anywhere outside Caanan. It's also impossible for wooden barges to traverse the oceans AGAINST currents centuries before maritime exploration even became possible. The Pearl of Great Price...yeah, that documentation is hundreds of years OLDER than Abraham was, and has been proven a sham.
Get with some reality people. Your brand of fairy tale is no better than the thousands before it.
And if you want GROWTH---Scientology was invented in the 50's by a man who ADMITTED he was doing it for money, and has spread like wildfire. Growth does not evidence of truth make.
My question is...of the THOUSANDS of gods thought up throughout history, what (beyond your special "feelings") makes YOUR particular version THE ONE?
I've got news for you...the earth is older than 6,000 years, there is no archaeological evidence for Exodus, Noah's Ark, King Solomon, or Israelites anywhere outside Caanan. It's also impossible for wooden barges to traverse the oceans AGAINST currents centuries before maritime exploration even became possible. The Pearl of Great Price...yeah, that documentation is hundreds of years OLDER than Abraham was, and has been proven a sham.
Get with some reality people. Your brand of fairy tale is no better than the thousands before it.
And if you want GROWTH---Scientology was invented in the 50's by a man who ADMITTED he was doing it for money, and has spread like wildfire. Growth does not evidence of truth make.
Mariah | 4:55 p.m. April 16, 2009
Please don't mistaken the 2 names on here MOrhiah 4:10 is not me.
Re: To Moriah,3:33 Thank you for your very kind words. I only wished I had faith as yours, but i do not. Thanks for your kindness anyway.
Re: To Moriah,3:33 Thank you for your very kind words. I only wished I had faith as yours, but i do not. Thanks for your kindness anyway.
Ernest T. Bass | 4:56 p.m. April 16, 2009
So, several of you believe I'm wrong, but you provide nothing to prove your
side of the debate.
Hmmmmm
It is fact that LDS Church growth is slower than the earth's population growth.
Then you consider those who go inactive and the others who remove their names from the church.
Then you consider that only 0.00217% of the earth's population is LDS, and even less than that is active.
Which means at most, only 0.00217 of the earth's population will hear a message from God. Maybe a few thousand more than that, but they will likely ignore it, if they're not already members.
But all 6,000,000,000+ are supposed to return to heaven?
How is that going to happen?
45,000 missionaries comprise 0.0000075 of the world's population. Or each missionary is supposed to teach 7,500,000 people on earth.
Hmmmmm
It is fact that LDS Church growth is slower than the earth's population growth.
Then you consider those who go inactive and the others who remove their names from the church.
Then you consider that only 0.00217% of the earth's population is LDS, and even less than that is active.
Which means at most, only 0.00217 of the earth's population will hear a message from God. Maybe a few thousand more than that, but they will likely ignore it, if they're not already members.
But all 6,000,000,000+ are supposed to return to heaven?
How is that going to happen?
45,000 missionaries comprise 0.0000075 of the world's population. Or each missionary is supposed to teach 7,500,000 people on earth.
Ernest T. Bass | 5:07 p.m. April 16, 2009
re: GeeBee
I think the BOA documentation is actually much more recent that Abraham, not older, but you are correct about the authenticity.
I think the BOA documentation is actually much more recent that Abraham, not older, but you are correct about the authenticity.
GeeBee | 5:38 p.m. April 16, 2009
@ Ernest---
Realized the error as soon as I hit submit. Thx tho!
Realized the error as soon as I hit submit. Thx tho!
Ernest T. Bass | 6:32 p.m. April 16, 2009
Hey wait... I've actually come to realize something. The church is growing,
and I want to humble myself and be a part of it. I realize that we as mortals,
can't possibly know all of the "How"s about our existence and the
universe, but the LDS church certainly can answer "why" questions. I
guess faith really is important.
Thanks
Thanks
Bill | 10:18 p.m. April 16, 2009
To Another Long Time Member:
No one here called you a hypocrite or even suggested such. However, by you calling us one paints your image as less than what it is. I never called you or any of those who left the Church anything out of context. I've seen my share of hypocrites in the Church and yea maybe me in some respects but that is because I'm human with human qualities. I've learned when to recognize the spirit of the Lord and when to not. The same goes as taught in the Pearl of Great Price as related by Moses. I have found that to be true, not false.
I also know that those who have broken away from the Church are also it most ardent enemies as well. They will do and say things that aren't true to sway people from the truth for nothing more than to satisfy their own misgivings. I have no such misgivings. The testimony I bear is the one I know has been revealed to me through personal revelation. What I have is more sacred to me than anything any man or woman can say against it.
No one here called you a hypocrite or even suggested such. However, by you calling us one paints your image as less than what it is. I never called you or any of those who left the Church anything out of context. I've seen my share of hypocrites in the Church and yea maybe me in some respects but that is because I'm human with human qualities. I've learned when to recognize the spirit of the Lord and when to not. The same goes as taught in the Pearl of Great Price as related by Moses. I have found that to be true, not false.
I also know that those who have broken away from the Church are also it most ardent enemies as well. They will do and say things that aren't true to sway people from the truth for nothing more than to satisfy their own misgivings. I have no such misgivings. The testimony I bear is the one I know has been revealed to me through personal revelation. What I have is more sacred to me than anything any man or woman can say against it.
one question for Mariah | 10:28 p.m. April 16, 2009
How do you feel when you read the Bible? I have fallen in love with the words
of the Apostle Paul and as a LDS member, I can say I like his words as much as
Book of Mormon. You don't need to say what church you attend, but I hope
you find a good church that has a good community feel to it, there are many out
there; the Bible does speak of baptism and of it's importance, and there
are many churches out there that will be happy to baptize you and welcome you
into their fold. Follow your heart (and I would recommend reading the Paul.)
cant let it go. | 3:42 a.m. April 17, 2009
someone said once : one can leave the church but never leave it alone. from
reading some of the posts here, that statment rings true.
Fence-Sitter:( | 4:56 a.m. April 17, 2009
I've read many of these posts and can objectively say I agree with both
sides. I have had my struggles with Church history (e.g. Brigham Young's
character), but I also have awesome parents whom I know believe the Church to be
true without any doubt. So in essence, I am relying on their faith while
struggling with my own. I have been inactive for years, but I still consider
myself Mormon based on my upbringing and belief of fundamental gospel
principles. I may not be a good Mormon, but I still consider myself to be a
pretty good person. Accordingly, I can't deny the fact the way I was
raised made me a better person--regardless of whether I have a real testimony or
not. Anyway, I think I belong to the group that is not ashamed to identify
themselves as Mormon, but doesn't necessarily fit in as an active Mormon.
Once one is kicked out of a singles group, he or she really loses the support
necessary to fight natural temptations. This sounds like a copout, but without
a solid testimony, the Church standards are probably a little too high for me.
K | 8:18 a.m. April 17, 2009
67 million Catholics is just the US statistic. 1.1 billion in the world.
I would like to see a world where more people prescribe to a faith and diminish the numbers who don't believe in anything. It seems the number of agnostics are growing. Is that cause some countries have tight restrictions of official registered faith groups like China? Or is the world turning away from God?
I would like to see a world where more people prescribe to a faith and diminish the numbers who don't believe in anything. It seems the number of agnostics are growing. Is that cause some countries have tight restrictions of official registered faith groups like China? Or is the world turning away from God?
Big foot :o) | 8:59 a.m. April 17, 2009
Re: FENCE SITTER:)
I'm with you and feel the same way you do. Thanks:o)
I'm with you and feel the same way you do. Thanks:o)
Ernest T. Bass | 9:58 a.m. April 17, 2009
re: Fence Sitter.....I totally understand and agree. Although I'm a fence
sitter who goes to church every week.
Testimony..... | 11:26 a.m. April 17, 2009
I cannot understand the absolute arrogance of the intellectuals who are going to
try and tell me that I am the fool to follow my feelings and heart. I, like
millions of others, have prayed to know if Joseph Smith was a prophet and if the
Book of Mormon truly is another testament of Jesus Christ. I KNOW my prayer was
answered in the affirmative. Someone else has posted on here saying they used
the same process and say they received an answer saying it wasn't. Okay.
From there we shake hands and go our separate ways confident in our answers and
that one day God Himself will set the record straight. Neither individual can
PROVE to the other that their answer is any more genuine or real than the other
persons. Unfortunately, there will be people on both sides of the discussion
that will try to demean the other sides testimony. How very childish. I will be
grown-up enough to not mock your new testimony. Give me the same respect.
Don't try to hurl your "evidences" at me when I have enough of my
own to support my testimony. You cannot win.
Pete in Texas
Pete in Texas
To Mariah 4:55 P.M. | 11:30 a.m. April 17, 2009
Mariah,
Thank you for your kind words. I meant what I said when I wrote that God loves you. I have felt his presence in a way that is very personal to me. Let me take a minute to explain. Nearly 20 years ago I was diagnosed with cancer and required surgery. Three days after the surgery I nearly died. I can't explain why some who have cancer die and others are allowed to continue to live. I only know that I was allowed to live. However, even to this day I worry that the cancer may come back. But that really doesn't mater. I came away from that experience with a deeper understanding of Jesus Christ. I don't pretend to tell you I know the full nature of God because I don't. I can tell you, when it is time, as you come to his presence you will feel His deep abiding light and love long before you see His person. It will fill your soul. You will know He loves you inspite of all your weaknesses. You will know that God is truly love. A friend - Brian
Thank you for your kind words. I meant what I said when I wrote that God loves you. I have felt his presence in a way that is very personal to me. Let me take a minute to explain. Nearly 20 years ago I was diagnosed with cancer and required surgery. Three days after the surgery I nearly died. I can't explain why some who have cancer die and others are allowed to continue to live. I only know that I was allowed to live. However, even to this day I worry that the cancer may come back. But that really doesn't mater. I came away from that experience with a deeper understanding of Jesus Christ. I don't pretend to tell you I know the full nature of God because I don't. I can tell you, when it is time, as you come to his presence you will feel His deep abiding light and love long before you see His person. It will fill your soul. You will know He loves you inspite of all your weaknesses. You will know that God is truly love. A friend - Brian
Thanks | 7:28 p.m. April 17, 2009
To: 11:30
I think most of us can apreciate your great faith. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It would be nice if all people could feel as you do and know the truth for sure, but sadly many of us have very little faith in knowing. This indeed is a very difficult world to endure, and I as well have endured much emotional pain within my own life, but hopefully i will never experience anything as bad as cancer. God bless you.
I think most of us can apreciate your great faith. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It would be nice if all people could feel as you do and know the truth for sure, but sadly many of us have very little faith in knowing. This indeed is a very difficult world to endure, and I as well have endured much emotional pain within my own life, but hopefully i will never experience anything as bad as cancer. God bless you.
weird | 8:55 p.m. April 17, 2009
Talk about your financial downturns. The Utah church didn't grow as fast
as 07 either.
@Ernest T. Bass | 10:12 p.m. April 17, 2009
I just wanted to tell you how enlightened I think you are! Not.
From Montana | 11:03 p.m. April 17, 2009
He (or she) who has nothing to say should refrain from giving ample evidence of
the fact.
freind | 6:48 a.m. April 18, 2009
To all of the "anti-mormon" bloggers...Why are you so threatened by
the Mormon church and/or it's growth rate? You have chosen to not be part
of it, so please go find something that will make you happy. Why do you waste
so much time and energy bashing a church that you don't believe in?
Someone might say. "me thinks he (they) doth protest too much...
Jake | 9:49 a.m. April 18, 2009
To"FRIEND" I really hate to see people who are being deceived-- Very
sad indeed. I am however a true FRIEND not a phony baloney FRIEND.
Amen to Bill @ 10:18 am | 9:59 a.m. April 18, 2009
And to "freind @ 6:48 am)
Dead on comments. Always been intrigued by those who once they leave the church feel so inclined to fight/kick against it.
Wonder why they can't simply close the door behind them and walk away with a little dignity. But seemingly to soothe their consciences they feel it necessary to justify their actions by trying to tear down the church. Yes indeed, the church's worst enemies are those who decide that the morals required are too difficult to live.
To live according to God's plan takes commitment and faith and it is evident that not all of us have what it takes.
Thanks for your testimony of the truthfulness of the restored Gospel.
Steve
Dead on comments. Always been intrigued by those who once they leave the church feel so inclined to fight/kick against it.
Wonder why they can't simply close the door behind them and walk away with a little dignity. But seemingly to soothe their consciences they feel it necessary to justify their actions by trying to tear down the church. Yes indeed, the church's worst enemies are those who decide that the morals required are too difficult to live.
To live according to God's plan takes commitment and faith and it is evident that not all of us have what it takes.
Thanks for your testimony of the truthfulness of the restored Gospel.
Steve
Sandy | 10:08 a.m. April 18, 2009
It isn't a competition, folks. Just a report.
I'm glad the LDS Church is growing. I'm glad other Churches are growing. They are still doing more good than the atheists, who I'm sure mean well but don't have much in the way of a grand vision. There are no solutions in this world to solve the problems of this world. They came from before the world was made, and will be solved from power from outside this world. The religions of the earth have a better understanding of this than the atheists or enemies of religion. Time will tell.
I'm glad the LDS Church is growing. I'm glad other Churches are growing. They are still doing more good than the atheists, who I'm sure mean well but don't have much in the way of a grand vision. There are no solutions in this world to solve the problems of this world. They came from before the world was made, and will be solved from power from outside this world. The religions of the earth have a better understanding of this than the atheists or enemies of religion. Time will tell.
RBC | 10:43 a.m. April 18, 2009
One of the benefits of living in America is the freedom to chose how we want to
worship. As for me I've always found that my years spent as an LDS member
have been fulfilling and spiritualy meaningful, so I choose to be active. I do
know other members who've not had the same experience--at least not to the
same extent as myself. In large measure these are people whom I respect and
know to be of good intent. I do not object to them--nor they to me, as all must
follow the dictates of their own hearts based upon their own life experiences.
I do however object to those, who belittle the decisions of others (wether in
the church or not) because they choose to follow a different path. The Lord will
judge the wisdom of the path they've chosen. But I think I can judge those
who belittle their sincere descision to follow it. I believe we should spend
our short time here on earth in a way that is uplifting to many, and critical of
few. Remembering that repect of others is at the heart of Christian thinking.
Know it all people | 2:49 p.m. April 18, 2009
To 9:59 How do you know that everyone who leaves a so called anti Mormon comment
on these posts are no longer active in the church? Um, geee, i'm so happy
that you have visions and know all things and all people who post. I know many
people who are VERY active who also have doubts about the truthfulness of it
all. Sorry for you, you must be one of those who always has his or her head in
the sand. It's ok though, because if you don't judge me i wont judge
you.
re:peter | 3:19 p.m. April 18, 2009
I wish bishops were more like you. I have sent two letters asking for my name to
be removed from the records of the Church and have received no reply or action.
I know of many people who have had the same experience as I.
Amb | 3:43 p.m. April 18, 2009
Why is it that when a Mormon criticizes another religion, as has happened
numerous times in these comments, it is called 'bearing testimony' but
when a non-mormon offers a criticism of mormonism it considered hate filled and
a sign of their own guilt and actual belief. When Mormons say that other
Church's are not led by God, is it because they actually believe they are,
and are trying to cover up for it? Very unlikely. Just as unlikely when someone
who does not believe in Mormonism criticizes it to cover up their actual belief.
our own book says few numbers | 4:39 p.m. April 18, 2009
Book of Mormon says in 1 or 2 Nephi (I forget where) that our numbers will
always be few in comparision to the world, but that we will be everywhere. Our
own leaders said recently that we are not the only ones who do good, and I would
add, we are not the only ones who believe in traditional marriage------MANY DO.
We are all on the same side as it relates to good versus evil. The future
battles may not be centered on religion affiliation but on family and
community---which is where true religion centers itself. I think James in Bible
says that true religion is to take care of the widow and fatherless and keep one
self unspotted from the world-----many people of many lands (of many faiths) are
doing this and need to be encouraged.
Golds Gym | 8:12 p.m. April 18, 2009
Golds Gym tracks membership numbers.
Don't know of any other religion but maybe scientology.
Don't know of any other religion but maybe scientology.
Ernest T. Bass | 9:07 p.m. April 18, 2009
re: @ETB 10:12pm
When did I say I was enlightened? I simply make obvious observations, not ones based on myth and lore.
When did I say I was enlightened? I simply make obvious observations, not ones based on myth and lore.
Grey | 9:59 p.m. April 18, 2009
It is hard to count numbers of any church. All churches probably inflate their
numbers. Why pick on the Mormons. There are not 67 million active Catholics in
this country. Jehovah Witnesses are so paranoid of the government they only
count numbers and do not list names. Yea Mormon records are not perfect; they
are probably just more accurate than those of other churches. Some protestants
count you if you declare you believe in Jesus. What is really funny is
Protestants will not count Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses as Christians unless
they are counting Christians compared to something like Muslims and than so
called cults are counted. Face it no numbers are correct. I look at Mormon
buildings. As long as they are being built Mormons are growing. Mormons do not
build buildings that will be empty in most cases.
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I as well have a very nice LDS pioneer heritage but it doesn't make me in any way shape or form better than someone else. I do however, enjoy being around people who are sincerely themselves and not the phony ones who enjoy bragging about themselves continuously. Actually, who on gods great earth gives a darn about being around a bunch of busy bodies (LDS MEMBERS) who seem to know everyone's business and their dog too. I find it quite boring and disgusting. Sorry folks, even though I do live a good moral and clean life style i still have no testimony of the church whatsoever and probably never will~