Comments about ‘Ruling rejects local opposition to Grand Staircase plan’

With this new Administration, the Fed's will control everything. How sad it will be. The Founding Fathers would roll over in their graves when they see this mess.

the founding fathers were conservationists and would aplaud the salvation of Gods land. better the feds control the land than the horrible neo nut consevatives destroying the planet.

First off, your spelling is horrendous and there is even a spell checker you can use with this comment feature.
Second, where is your evidence that the Founding Fathers were "conservationists" ?
Third, your comment that it is better that the "Feds control the land.." directly contradicts the Constitution written by those same founding fathers which favors sovereign state's rights over federal control.
Lastly, please explain how conservatives (I assume you meant) are destroying the planet. By using gas powered transportation, heating their homes, and breathing ? Do you not do all of the above ?
At least I do not claim to be responsible for saving the planet, and then pollute more in one month than 1,000 "Neo-nut Conservatives" from Utah do in one year a la Al Gore. What a joke. Get some facts or at least an argument.

>better the feds control the land

Yes, they do such a splendid job with everything else.

/sarc

The Federal government disgusts me.

One comment in the article did give me hope. The thought that Mike Noel considered a State to be sovereign made my day. More people need to get this attitude. That is the only way we can keep from being oppressed by the Feds.

All I can say is way to go judges and Feds! Most Utah politicians don't know the first thing about wilderness and how to manage it, other than they like ruining over it with four wheelers. Just imagine how beautiful that arch would be with some four wheelers parked underneath and the barbecue grilling up some burgers.

Bill Clinton was one of the most clever politicians in the way he got around the Utah Republican Party in creating the Grand Staircase Escelante National Monument. Also, the Democrats in Congress certainly did their part in blocking Bush and the Utah Caucus from destroying any wilderness protections. Now that Obama and the Democrats are in control, you notice that the Utah delegation has completely shut up on any kind of wilderness bills for Utah. Why don't we have a real conversation about what the majority of Utahns want, rather than what a few rural, four-wheeling hicks want to do?

Anyone else who wants to comment on this and blast environmentalists can, but truth is, the judges in Devner apparently disagree with you, the Democrats in Congress will never let you get a trashy "throw away our wilderness" bill passed, and Obama will likely designate another massive monument to bring some real protection to Utah. Live with it! It's not Utah land, its BLM land. If you don't like the federal government, sign a petition to withdraw from the union. Good luck

Mr. Noel said, "...it emboldens the "faceless, nameless, unaccountable bureaucracy in Washington, D.C., who thinks they can hold sway over a sovereign state.""

Excuse me, but this was the 10th Circuit Court in Denver, judges who live amonst all you westerners and who have actually studied the laws of the land. How is it that private citizens of Utah think they have soveriegn authority to control what happens on federal land, other than through the election of representatives to Congress?

"I am totally disgusted with our federal-court system, the appeals, the processes you have to go through. It's just insane and a continuing saga of everything that has gone on down here."

And so what is the alternative? Vigilante confiscation of the federal land. Is that the kind of country you want to live in?

I like to think of it this way:

Now every man, woman and child in the US owns this land having paid the state of Utah many, many hundreds of Millions of dollars via Federal Program and Grant Monies since Utah became a state.

Matt

Here is a "fact" to consider in this ruling:

we are a federal system. To those of you who skipped the tenth grade, it means that we are part of the union, and that the federal needs trump the local or state needs. It means that Utah has to part of the greater good, called the USA. The court has ruled as the court has to rule.

Get over it my fellow citizens. Utah is part of the union and the federal gov. rules. That is the system. We fought a terrible war in order to have this system and our greatness. Federalism keeps us as one.

By the way, the court also asked the question, "Who was hurt and how?" And the locals could not answer the question with particulars. In black letter law that means you did not have a case.

Go sulk somewhere else.

Thank heaven for judges who recognize that "federal land" belongs to all Americans, not just Utahns with their too-often narrow interests at heart. Can you imagine what would happen if, say, the state of Pennsylvania decided to erect a theme park at the Gettysburg battlefield? "We have our right as states to use this land as we see fit!"

I am a Utahn, born and raised, I live in a rural Utah town and am grateful that there are those who appreciate some of the last best wild lands in the United States.

I would like to know what the specific claims of the water district that were rejected. I don't see how anyone can tell, merely by reading this report, if the decision was a good one or not. Conservationists and conservatives alike should withhold judgment until they have all the facts. Perhaps the management is, indeed, flawed.

I would have liked to see a more complete report.

I have not read the case to know details. And the last place in the world to find balanced details is in a newspaper. Not to pick on the reporter but for many reasons the best you will ever get is a snap shot.

That being said, there must be a balance when it comes to land use. The abuse of the Monument provision that was the Escalante should have been overturned and Clinton should have been forced to do it the right way.

What I will remember about the Escalante until I die is the massive donations to Bill Clinton from a wealthy Indonesian family that owned low sulfur coal rights. By doing the Escalante large potential low sulfur coal is off the books and no longer a potential competition to the Indonesian businessman. It was typical "Schlick Willie" antics.

Scrap it all and start over, doing it honest and fair. And as another example, tell me the Wilderness Study process is not abused for the benefit of extreme environmentalists?! Yeah, and I own the Great Salt Lake!

I just think the judges really don't want to be bothered. They don't seem to care about the beauty of the land.

Study what the Sierra Club and the Adirondack Park Agency has been doing in the Adirondack Mountains of New York State for years and this is what is in your future. Land control in the name of enviromental protection, this is just the begining now that the waters have been tested, fourwheeling and other family recreational activities similiar will be phased out in the name of vehicular erosion,noise and air pollution, restrictive horseback riding, mountain biking on publically protected property. If you live within "the boundries" you will enjoy restricted colors of your shingles so when planes fly over your roof will blend into the landscape, written permission to plant or cut a tree these are facts. And you will be paying for this protection with your federal and state tax dollars. Good luck fighting this monster,

Reading these comments scare me to death. I can not beleive that many people in the United States have been sucked into believing that the BLM and the Federal Government should control most of the lands in the states, and they believe that this is a good thing. When was the last time the Federal Government was in total control of anything that turned out to be a good thing. Just so you know, our children are the ones being hurt the most because the land that the Feds are taking control of are the lands that were designated for school trust lands. That means the feds just stole millions of dollors from our children. I guess that is a good thing too. Scarey times we live in where good is bad and bad is good.

The fact that, during the 2009 legislative session, the legislature went to so much trouble to give UTA the ancient native American settlement site - one that has already changed the way historians think about the cultures that thrived here prehistorically - so that the whole thing can be covered with tracks, buildings, and parking lots demonstrated clearly exactly why the State of Utah cannot be trusted to protect public lands. Should the courts fail to rule based on Utahs well-documented history of "protecting" public lands, then those courts would be abrogating their responsibilities just as surely as does the state legislature annually.

By the way, to the author of the 1:41 post: You are incorrect - there is no spell checker for posts on this site. Neither is there a grammar checker, as you demonstrated so well. You know, of course, the addage about the problems associated with people living in glass houses who throw stones.

Those early on comments scared me because I thought only whackos were answering, but the last five or six comments are so sensible...
If only we could get enough people to vote that way, then maybe we might get some sanity in Utah government. Although Jon Huntsman Junior has been the best Democrat ever to be a Republican Governor.

When are the neocons going to get it?
Their backwards, backwoods thinking is history.
The sooner they all die off - the better it will be for everyone.

We are over taxed, over regulate, and under represented.