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  • David Howard
    Dec. 14, 2009 2:29 p.m.

    Google "Many Small Fission Nukes at the WTC"

  • Good and Bad
    Nov. 16, 2009 11:14 a.m.

    It was good to see a non-bias article presenting a difficult-to-believe story. I've spent countless hours trying to come to my own conclusion about the events of that day and it is frightening. Understandably, it's hard to imagine a false-flag operation of this size and complexity, but it's also hard to believe the official report. One day, I hope for a happy medium. Until then, don't be as blind as those who commented in opposition to the idea with such certainty. They've obviously not done their homework as anyone can find several videos of the event with explosions as well as eye-witness interviews including firemen and police talking about the explosions. Don't deny that which you've yet to investigate.

  • Bill
    Oct. 8, 2009 1:28 p.m.

    Too bad the publisher who did the peer review ignored the editor, and has a record of admitting computer generated papers.

  • Noa Body
    Sept. 3, 2009 12:08 a.m.

    I suspect that substantially the entire volume of jet fuel was burned in five seconds. I have thrown enough diesel fuel on piles of burning orange trees to know that liquid diesel fuel, when in the air (not poured on the ground) and moving, gets to flaming real quick. The video shows a whole bunch of that fire going up on the outside of the building too, so that flame missed the guts of the building.

  • grego
    Sept. 2, 2009 6:00 p.m.

    After 9/11, friends from other countries couldn't believe that Americans believed the official story.

    The Book of Mormon (and Pres. Benson) talks a lot about a secret combination that wants control of the world. The Book of Mormon also has a story that shows how 9/11 could have been pulled off (there's an internet article about insights Amalickiah can give us on 9/11). Many witnesses and whistleblowers support Jones' theory.

    For example, how could phone calls be made from an airplane traveling that fast, before the technology came out that allowed it to be done? How were all the black boxes destroyed, but a passport of one of the hijackers floated to the sidewalk in perfect condition?

    The work of Christopher Bollyn, rense, and many more, give evidence after evidence that the official 911 story is full of holes.

    There is a conspiracy, and it is to overthrow American freedom. 9/11 was just a small part of that conspiracy.

    For more info on Jones and the report, search the internet!

    Kudos to Deseret News for writing and publishing this piece!! Freedom still has a voice in at least one American newspaper!

  • Alee
    Aug. 7, 2009 5:57 p.m.

    Anyone who believes that a government would not do this is certainly ignorant of history.
    While not wanting to believe in a conspiracy I do think it strange that a building which was never touched by even another building was able to be taken down by order without any preparation. It normally takes weeks of planning and execution to make this kind of thing happen.
    Also, suppose there was a possibility that the weakened floors were falling because of the heat of the kerosene/jet fuel. (This is highly doubtful because of kerosene's low burning temperature) Just ask yourself why would the vertical pillars fall at the same rate? They should have been standing there naked like the internal skeleton they were designed to be. The pillars were not touched by kerosene or flame. You can strip all the branches off a tree yet the trunk still stands. How is this different?
    Conspiracy or no. There are a lot of strange coincidences.
    Also I have no reason to believe the media. Especially when I saw the impossible with my own eyes.

  • Anonymous
    Aug. 7, 2009 5:21 p.m.

    I am satisfied that there is compelling evidence that military grade high-explosives were planted in the WTC towers. Nothing else fits the data. It is inconceivable that a jet fuel (kerosene) fire could have melted or even softened the construction grade steel in the towers.

    BTW, there were many firemen and policemen who testifed that they heard multiple explosions on the site on 9-11-2001. Note, also, the massive insider trading that occurred just prior to the disaster. SOMEONE knew this was going to happen...and I don't mean some crazy Arabs with box-cutters!

  • To the profiler
    July 4, 2009 2:55 a.m.

    Hey whoever said that the truthers are simply right wing Aryans, a couple things that you might be interested in.
    A. I might be white but I definitely am more left-leaning than right.
    B. none of my co-workers believe the government story either and I am the only white guy in the dept.
    C. The fact that your mind automatically jumps to generalizations and accusations of racism is telling.
    D. The only commonality that I have been able to see amongst truthers is that we tend to be part of the younger generation. I'm assuming that this has to do with the fact that we've grown up with the internet and are generally more likely to attempt to check out stories against verifiable scientific data.

  • Ya
    June 30, 2009 1:41 p.m.

    What let me guess you still live at home right. Maybe your mommy can take care of the trillions of dollars were in debt, or all the innocent woman and children murdered in the Ira war. Your the type of people I whish went to war so we can weed threw you trolls.

  • Ya
    June 30, 2009 10:48 a.m.

    I collected some dust in alpine and I put some black cat fireworks in the dust.

    Anyone want to test it?

    Let me know in advance if you would like any other materials to show up in the sample--I can add them for a small fee.

    Ridiculous!!

  • Can't think for myself
    June 30, 2009 10:30 a.m.

    Hey "Amused and Amazed" and all people that think like this person. Just go turn on the tv and watch all the coverage on the death of Michael Jackson. Forget about congress passing the cap and trade bill, which you probably support. WAKE UP. Pull your head out of the media. If you honestly believe your government has never lied to you then maybe you should stick to simpler things like the death of a child molester.

  • Giblatsai
    June 12, 2009 8:54 a.m.

    For a two month old article, this one sure is generating lots of heat. The facts speak for themselves, every news anchor covering the 911 events commented directly or indirectly, that the structural collapses of WTC 1 and 2 looked suspiciously like controlled demolition. To comment on the events of the day, one must first look at the evidence, and it is all over the internet if you want to see it. I have spent the last 8 years doing just that. The unthinkable was done, and that is its most effective form of hiding the evidence. It was totally unthinkable, yet look at the ensuing 7 years of policy: every policy decision made by the Bush Administration had 911 as its point of origin. Do your homework dissers of the Truth Movement. Truth will always win out over lies. See for yourself if you have the courage and moral tenacity to face the ugliest side of human corruption. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Bush legacy is one of power, power and more power...God help us all.

  • Amused at Amazed
    June 8, 2009 2:16 p.m.

    Fact: The Windsor Building in Madrid Spain burned for 19 hours. Everything burned away except the steel structure.

    Fact: Building 7 was hit by no plane.

    Fact: The original designers said that the twin towers could withstand, "several airline impacts, like a pencil embedded in a screen window."

    Fact: Your "experts" work for the government.

    Fact: Peer reviews are by "peers", not the "community at large". Whatever that means.

    Fact: Dr. Jones was asked to step done or lose his retirement..

    Fact: Scientific facts are not suspect, merely interpretations.

    Fact: Thermite in great quantities is much more sufficient in imploding skyscrapers.

    Fact: NIST is the only company that has made "nano-thermite", or "spray-on" thermate.

    Get your facts right Amazed and Amused. For you have neither claim nor truth.

  • Patrick
    June 8, 2009 2:04 p.m.

    BogusClaims: you're making straw man arguments. What "string of events" are you referring? Building 7 DID collapse, in free fall speed, from the bottom up. And NO airplanes hit it.

    There are many video's showing explosions other than the planes, and many eyewitness accounts, including firemen, that heard and saw other explosions. There are video's of building 7 collapsing just like a controlled demolition, but you don't mention these... contradicting YOUR theory.

    What "they" would need to do, is not a part of Dr. Jones evidence. Your conjectures are ludicrous. The point is, there was NO criminal investigation, and no forensics investigation.

    But hey, continue to believe that a guy in a cave disabled all of NORAD, the FCC, the Pentagon, the CIA, the FBI... that's the least believable conspiracy theory of them all.

  • Amazed and Amused
    May 26, 2009 3:53 p.m.

    Once again, the amount of effort expended by the average "truther" in ignoring facts both amazes me and amuses me.

    Fact - Simple structural fires reach temps that compromise steel.

    Fact - While the towers were designed to resist an airliner impact, the original designers admit that they did not take into account the amount of fuel delivered on this day.

    Fact - The collapse is not attributed (by the experts) to a SINGLE contributor. Fire + Structural damage + Design elements are all involved.

    Fact - Dr. Jones' last "peer reviews" have not been "peer reviewed" by the community at large, but in rather some questionable "journals"

    Fact - Dr. Jones quit the University on the eve of his work being peer reviewed BY HIS PEERS.

    Opinion - The collection of materials for this latest, greatest work is suspect at best.

    Opinion - Barring expert testimony, I believe a "thin layer" of thermite, nano or not, is insufficient to deamage beam that "truthers" insist are airliner and fire proof..........

    But, that is just a teeny list of problems I have with the usual "truther" claims........

    Plenty of claim, precious little truth.

  • Explosions not Seen
    May 22, 2009 11:10 p.m.

    All of the building detonations I have seen detonate explosives at multiple locations and always at the main level, too. Also, you can see the "mini-explosions" (when compared to the size of skyscrapers) bursting in all directions (ie laterally, not just vertically)in all the footage I have seen -- but the footage of the World Trade Center towers collapsing does not show these mini-bursts propelling debris upward and outward...just debris falling downward, or slowing expanding outward, not rapidly and violently.

    Would the porfessor please explain why these types of explosions were not seen by eyewitnesses? That would be my very first question. Thanks.

  • Reasons for collapse:
    May 22, 2009 10:43 p.m.

    (1) Unusual Design. The very long steel girders (floor supports) were only held at their endpoints - by the central core and the ingenious outer metal mesh. This transferred more of the load than normal to the outer mesh and eliminated the need for internal supports. This also decreased the number of pins that socketed the metal infrastructure.

    (2) The fire retardant sprayed on the metal skeleton was not chemically-created (code) to withstand the higher heat generated from jet fuel. Jet fuel would burn through the retardant and act directly on the metal.

    (3) The burn time was long enough to weaken the girders and pins to the point the girders could sag enough to pop off the pins at any of their endpoints.

    Again, if there were explosives planted on the floors, in and of themselves they would not have brought down the World Trade Center towers. And again, the explosions were not necessary to bring down the towers. So, really, having explosives is of no statistical significance. Also, wouldn't they have exploded when the plane hit the building...and not when the building fell one floor on top of another an hour later(remember, no internal supports)?

  • Brother_of_Jared
    May 22, 2009 9:37 p.m.

    Jet Fuel - If a fire started in your house, and burned only the things found there, it can easily reach 1700 degrees farenheit.

    This is what I've been told by members of my local fire department.

    Structural steel not only loses more than 80% of it's strength at that temperature, but there is also the expansion involved. When you run a jar under hot water from your tap, you can induce enough expansion for the lid to pop off. Imagine how much expansion you get from a much bigger piece of metal at 1600 degrees hotter.

  • Jet Fuel Weakened Metal
    May 22, 2009 9:15 p.m.

    If I remember correctly, there was a show on TV that should have been mentioned in this article that presented the views of the structural engineers who designed the World Trade Center towers that explains why the buildings collapsed. They stated the building codes they used to calculate fire/temperature sustainability was not sufficient -- also taking into account the unusual metal infrustructure of the towers -- to have prevented the buildings from collapsing when the fire was inflamed by jet fuel. In other words, because jet fuel burns at a higher temperature than what they initially had calculated, and because it was allowed to burn over a sustained period of time, and because the towers started collapsing right where the conflagration was at; they stated for all the world to hear on TV that the towers would definitely have collapsed just by the jet fuel burning.

    I am surprised this was not mentioned in this article.

    Seriously, if the more volatile (ie more reactionary) thermite was present in the building, wouldn't it have exploded sooner? The professor does not explain this obvious point.

    Unfortunately, it seems, people only want to hear what they believe.

  • Brother_of_Jared
    May 22, 2009 8:20 p.m.

    I should also add, the headline of this article is terribly misleading. Thermite and its derivatives are NOT explosives.

  • Brother_of_Jared
    May 22, 2009 8:03 p.m.

    Lyle - Larry Silverstein never said any such thing. He stated that the FDNY informed him that they were pulling back and that because of the incredible loss of life that day, that he agreed with their decision.

    The word "pull" is NEVER used anywhere in the demolition industry to describe the use of explosives to bring down a building.

    Furthermore, it has already been proven well in advance of the release of Jones and Harrits paper (which was never peer-reviewed) that thermal expansion due to the 1,000+ degree fires was the cause of the collapse of WTC7.

  • Daniel Friesen
    May 19, 2009 6:34 a.m.

    If the "wildest" suggestions that government had planned 911 are true, can anyone imagine that it had been planned in the fewer than eight months that the Bush administration had been in power?

  • Anonymous
    May 12, 2009 5:12 p.m.

    "the July 17, 1996 accident of TWA flight 800 fuel tank just blowing up in mid-air by itself is another perfect example of government cover-up."

    I worked in aerospace. I have seen Kapton survive 15 hours at 800 degrees in a burn out oven. Not one engineer believed the tank story. Jet fuel is like diesel fuel. It doesn't just vaporize and explode.

  • Amazed.
    May 12, 2009 4:59 p.m.

    It is amazing, sadly amazing: everyone here attacking Dr. Jones uses just words, not logic. Could all the people here diminishing the logically presented arguments with a logical counter-argument? Please, write a paper with the same seriousness that shows something different. These critics here sound like a Bush discourse, with nothing behind... is that the future of the United States? Is this how you build a country ? Amazed, sadly amazed.

  • Brett
    April 25, 2009 1:23 p.m.

    "The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot beleive it exists."

    -J. Edgar Hoover
    Director of the FBI

  • Wow
    April 20, 2009 2:28 p.m.

    Hopefully this leads, ASAP, to the deprogramming of America. Time to wake up.

    Reveille anyone?

  • Lyle
    April 14, 2009 8:10 p.m.

    I have only one thing to add, which has to do with building 7. According to Sliverstein, because of the damage done to building 7 they decided to pull it, meaning to bring it down with controlled demolition. Then later at 4:00 PM on 9/11 we see building 7 come down but it takes at least two weeks to mine a building the size of building 7. Therefore, building must have been mined two weeks before 9/11? This is the reason the demolition of building 7 wasn't mentioned in the 9/11 report that Cain helped to draft up. Also, it would also take a group of engineers working for Controlled Demolition to pull off such a task as dropping a building into its own foot print, like building 7 and the twin towers. Also why was Controlled demolition in at the New York harbor on 9/10 the day before 9/11? And why did Controlled Demolition remove the evidence at the crime scene of the murder of 3,000 Americans and have the evidence shipped to Germany for the melt down.

  • USA...USA...USA
    April 14, 2009 4:31 p.m.

    *Sigh*

    So many irrational twoofers.

    Let ME explain.As we were told,on 9/11, everything changed.

    In a post 9/11 world,scattered office fires,as NIST has told us, can now collapse skyscrapers symmetrically straight down at freefall speed.As happened on 9/11 to WTC 7,the 47 story skyscraper which was not even hit by a plane.Why would anyone in their right mind even question this?

    In a post 9/11 world:
    Nano engineered super thermite produced in hidden caves,or any explosives for that matter,are NO LONGER NECESSARY to completely collapse skyscrapers!Al Qaeda also has waged jihad against controlled demolition companies as they are no longer needed anymore.One has only to light a fire to collapse a building now.

    And by the way,the 118 firefighters on the record,the late Barry Jennings,William Rodriguez or any other person who claims to have witnessed explosions on 9/11,are just lying freedom haters who want the terrists to win.Only governments or corporations can be trusted to tell the truth.Those WMDs are somewhere!

    SHEESH...

  • Dean Scarpinato
    April 14, 2009 9:07 a.m.

    William Rodriguez, the last man out who saved hundreds of people on 911 was in the basement before the plane hit when bombs went off, people died.

    There are literally dozens of news reports of firemen, victims and reporters reporting dozens of secondary explosions.

    The buildings collapsed into subbasements 6stories deep.

    47 central steel columns were completely obliterated. Why, if the "pancake theory" is true are they not sticking up in the air like a record spindle?

    Jet fuel is primarily kerosene. It burns at 1400* It takes 2000* to melt steel

    Newton's 2nd law of thermodynamics pretty much tells us that steel structures 2000 feet high cannot just collapse into their own footprint in 10 seconds.

    No steel frame highrise has EVER collapsed due to fire. On that day 3 came down.

    WTC 7 was not hit by a plane and had only small fires when it collapsed just like 1and2 at 5:20 PM. The BBC reports its collapse live WHILE THE BUILDING IS STILL STANDING!

    I could go on but I'm out of time. Google it. This is a no brainer. Unfortunately so is 30% of American Society

  • David
    April 13, 2009 11:52 a.m.

    Red particles found in the dust point to thermite explosives used in bringing down the 3 buildings in NYC on 9/11. That is interesting new evidence. But the fact of all those massive dust clouds alone points to the use of explosives. Go back and look at the pictures. Those dust clouds would never have resulted from a structural collapse. A structural collapse would left huge broken pieces of steel and concrete at the base, but the dust clouds were the result of explosives PULVERIZING the building materials into a fine dust. This dust lingered for days over the city of Manhattan. This simply would not have happened if the collapses were purely structural as the bogus NIST report maintains.

  • Paradigm Shift?
    April 12, 2009 6:49 p.m.

    Over at 911 Blogger, Professor Jones says that confirmatory work on the new paper is being done in France and New Hampshire. He says he has seen the results privately and that he hopes the confirmatory work will be peer-reviewed soon. That suggests that the confirmatory work is in general agreement with the April 3rd "Active Thermitic..." paper.

    His comment about this is under the entry for "What You Need To Know About Peer-Review."

  • Sitting-Bull
    April 12, 2009 11:29 a.m.

    Re:Bogus Claims:

    The presence of explosive material doesn't prove anything

    That- alone standing, is maybe right, but with all other facts, e.g. that indeed the buildings demolition do look like very much like common types of controlled demolition (even top-down is possible) where you took the interior structure out well before you see the roofline dropping as well, the molten metal, the iron-rich-spheres, but even circumstantial evidence like the cover-up of NIST ("forgetting" to explain the real collapse), the holes in the investigation (NFPA not followed), steel illegaly removed from the crime scene, NIST role with superthermites, the access to the building and data to possible perpetrators as TriDatas link to Zakheim and Securacom to the saudis shows, both installed after the 93'er bombing (inside job as well, google FBI Emad Salem tapes), and on and on an on...

  • Tony
    April 12, 2009 10:18 a.m.

    Professor Jones mentioned reading the paper and checking out Figure 29. Well, I did that much (Fig 29 and surrounding text, I mean). The figure is a comparison of WTC dust material with some material made with some components at a NANO-level. We're talking some serious stuff here, so much so that the paper broached the subject of who the heck can even make stuff like that.

    To deny this material was placed is tantamount to saying it was chemically produced due to the conflagration and that would be tantamount to insisting that tossing carbon, hydrogen, and nitrogen into some inferno would produce the DNA molecule.

    To understand Figure 29 is to realize, "That's all folks!" It is a slam dunk.

    I can just see whats next. The deniers who see this will say so what, implying that their once seeing validity in a jet-fuel caused collapse (and WTC7) was really no big deal when it was actually proof of incredible blindness and ineptitude.


    (Hey, Prof Jones, I had the pleasure of chatting with you in Austin a couple years back at the 911 convention.)


    Tony

  • dave
    April 12, 2009 9:54 a.m.

    @ wake up

    true. but even more amazing is it's the LOADED GUN here.

    I'm realizing that real criminals, corrupt power with access to overwhelming force, know that the best way to commit crime is right out in the open.

    It's a bold physical challenge to all witnesses. Kennedy assassination, 9/11.

    "who's gonna stop me", "who wants to be next"

    You don't worry about law or decency. Do it in broad daylight. Have the cameras rolling. Go ahead, just leave the murder weapon sitting there with your prints all over it. Most won't have the bravery to look up and examine it let alone make an accusation, the few who do are easy to deal with. Call them crazy, ignore them. The rest will keep their heads down and amuse themselves watching football and American idol.

    Confused, frightened masses will self organize around the new reality rather than confront it.

    That is "the law" from the point of view of corrupt power.

    Until the masses are able to look directly at the bully, we live under the bully's law.

  • wake up
    April 12, 2009 7:24 a.m.

    amazing! here we have a total smoking gun and there are still people that dumb and brain washed that cognitive dissidence is the order of the day.
    there are traces of unexploded military grade nano-thirmite people!
    What else do you need to know before you people realize that there are people that need to be brought to justice!
    and By the way, I love America!

  • Wow
    April 11, 2009 6:24 p.m.

    To: "@chris" (5:03 PM): If in fact the "progressive neofascists" are as murderous as you say, one way to bring them down may be to go a bit deeper. Just maybe, there are forces enabling "both" sides to have increasing power and control. By forces, I'm speaking about human greed in a variety of entities, corporations, etc.

    If you want to get at those forces, one way is to find out what happened on 911. After all, do you see the DC Democrats jumping all over this new scientific paper? They should be, shouldn't they? They're not...and neither are the DC Republicans.

  • @chris
    April 11, 2009 5:03 p.m.

    Ha, Ha Ha Ha its those rascally neocons! I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the progressive, neofascists are much more murderous and subversive to the USA than are the neocons. They truly will do and say anything to meet their ends. Look to Clintons and all their foriegn friends. Look to Obama and all his anti-American friends.
    get a brain, dude!

  • Wow
    April 11, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    To : "Google" (9:31 AM):

    Nothing is inherently true or untrue due to its being on Google. But if you're willing to look at it, perhaps you can use your brain and take it from there.

    Example: "There is a news source called 'Deseret News'. Google it and see." Another example: "Santa is a vampire." Your task: figure out which assertion is more convincing.

    Nothing is inherently true or untrue merely because it is spoken or written. You have to be willing to research.

  • Jones
    April 11, 2009 2:05 p.m.

    For the answer follow the money to Isreal.

  • Chris
    April 11, 2009 2:00 p.m.

    to "Google", maybe i'll drop some links next time since you dont seem to be capable of doing basic research. I'll do it for you buddy.

  • Chris
    April 11, 2009 1:58 p.m.

    to "Google", Google isnt my source, I assumed you were capable of doing basic research-I could have easily said any search engine. My fault for thinking you were actually capable of basic research. I wont do that again.

  • TJSgigante
    April 11, 2009 1:55 p.m.

    What if the real conspiracy is that the bombers put a bunch of that explosive stuff in their suitcases, so that everybody in the US would scream that it's all a conspiracy? :-|

  • mugtorte
    April 11, 2009 9:54 a.m.

    it's mathematically impossible for all these structures to (free fall) collapse into their own footprint- to suggest otherwise is admitting your lack of understanding of structural engineering and physics.

  • Google
    April 11, 2009 9:31 a.m.

    I love that 'google' of all things is being used to back up peoples assertions.

    Santa is a vampire! Google it!

    I want to believe therefore its true.

  • sdemetri
    April 11, 2009 8:11 a.m.

    Someone wrote:

    "I personally believe that a burning plane with a tank full of jet fuel could burn hot enough to melt steel and cause the floors to collapse on top of each other."

    That was, and apparently still is, a common perception. But this is a misperception. The fires in the WTC didn't get to the 1500C necessary to melt steel columns. Metals expert Dr. Frank Gayle said: "Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that's what melted the steel. Indeed it did not, the steel did not melt."

    NIST said in 2006 In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires."

    Metallurgical tests on samples in fact showed that none of the sample got to more than 600C (NIST 2005, p176-177)

    "Even today, the media report (and many scientists believe) that the steel melted. It is argued that the jet fuel burns very hot, especially with so much fuel present. This is not true...." MIT prof Eagar.

    The fires didn't do it. Explosives did.

  • Chris
    April 11, 2009 6:34 a.m.

    Also, you cant fathom a faction connected to our government(and a "friendly" gov) killing 3000? After the close to a million Iraqis weve killed? WHy is it that people like you cant fathom that the same political elites who treat foreigners like numbers and kill them in droves to reach their ends wouldnt turn around and kill a couple thousand americans to reach their geopolitical or personal goals? I believe that the people who really did 9/11 did it out of some disgusting sense of duty, they knew we needed a "big event" with large casualties to propel us into the middle east in a big way and they got it. Have you read the PNAC papers explicitly stating that regime change in Iraq would not be possible without a "Pearl Harbor" type event? Cheney,Zakheim,Libby,Bushs brother,Rumsfeld,Perle,Wolfowitz and lots of other top neocons are members and signed the paper in question.

  • Chris
    April 11, 2009 6:25 a.m.

    Im afraid you are a bit naive. The "country" didnt do 9/11, it only took a small number of people(the official story says it took 19 to pull it off, I would argue it took a few more than that but not a lot more. I find it telling that people like you are ok with the official story needing only 19 but if it was an inside job on some level it would take-"hundreds if not thousands".) and a broken and consolidated media who as usual failed to do their jobs. And you believe jet fuel fires could indeed bring down the towers huh? In the uniform WAY that they came down though? And its not like they fell in pieces, they both fell in the EXACT SAME MANNER. Really? You buy that? And WTC7 too? Really? It should be noted that Silverstien, the WTC leaseholder has deep connections to Likudniks in Israel, including Netanyahu, and that Marvin Bush and a Bush cousin Wirt Walker ran security on the towers up until 9/11. food for thought for when you cant "fathom" it. Google the names i listed in my previous comments. start with Suter.

  • Mike
    April 11, 2009 12:29 a.m.

    Thank you Dr. Jones,

    we owe alot to you for bringing these things to light. I didn't at first believe the claims of 9/11 being an inside job, but your authority as a physics professor and your public stand motivated me to take a serious look at the evidence.

    Much thanks also to Elaine Jarvik and the Deseret News. For those who still have not awakened to the truth, there is a mountain of evidence beyond what Dr. Jones has uncovered. For starters, try googling "Loose Change" of "Fabled Enemies" and download and watch these excellent documentaries.

  • Anonymous
    April 11, 2009 12:07 a.m.

    Personally, I am delighted that there is so much wonderful debate and extraordinarily, varied views.

    Those views show concern. They convey intelligence.

    Most of those views insist that we still question and challenge our Public Servants. And that is very healthy

    So, Let's challenge those public Servants.

    What do you have to loose besides our freedoms which are already compromised beyond recognition.

    But please never dismiss alternative, well researched evidence. Evidence that your Gov't does not wish to discuss

    Do your homework, folks. It's all there on the internet ....

    Cheers,

    Mike,

    Australia

    PS

    To the Boeing Engineer from a Commercial Pilot and Aerospace Engineer .... You are spot-on as are most of the participants/contributors to this dialogue.

  • RE: Bogus Claims | 7:23 a.m. Apr
    April 10, 2009 11:26 p.m.

    I think this article is very interesting. I'm not quite sure what to believe at this point, but I disagree with the assertion that conspirators would have had to know which floors the plane would hit. I'm not an explosives expert, but logic tells me that the explosives could be ignited by the heat of a plane crashing into a tower, therefore explosives could be placed on any or all floors, to be ignited by the heat of a burning plane when the plane crashed into that floor.

    I personally believe that a burning plane with a tank full of jet fuel could burn hot enough to melt steel and cause the floors to collapse on top of each other. The presence of explosive material doesn't prove anything, but it does raise questions that ought to be examined.

    I'm not naive enough to think that this great country of ours, the greatest in the world in so many ways, has never done anything evil or sinister, because unfortunately we have. :( But these theories are pretty hard to believe, almost unfathomable. Killing thousands of your own citizens in cold blood? Not sure I buy it.

  • Steve
    April 10, 2009 11:23 p.m.

    Once you realize a few truths in this world, you will be shocked at how simple it will be to forecast tomorrows headlines. Almost like watching a prophecy unfold before your eyes. Open your eyes before its too late. Get yourself a good education in Politics, economics and history. Thank you Dr. Stephen Jones. Following your research from the get go.

  • Pete
    April 10, 2009 11:08 p.m.

    It is encouraging to see so many people seeking evidence to bring some sense into what happened on 9-11, as the "official" explanation is not convincing. What is really pathetic is to read comments by those who oppose such research, refuse to consider evidence, and mainly try to defend their "official belief" with name calling, arrogance, stupid cutting comments and emotional drivel. Obviously that is all they seem to have, as they don't seem to offer any physical evidence. Very obviously, those who resort to mainly ridicule and personal attacks against the messanger, HAVE LOST THE ARGUMENT! For those really interested, there are many youtube videos and books available showing great strides in analyzing available evidence. The truth will win out, and such effort should be encouraged, in spite of the ridicule and spleen of those opposed to the truth.

  • dave
    April 10, 2009 7:00 p.m.

    To those who say, "the government could never have organized such a grand conspiracy as 911"

    2 things.

    1. No thoughtful examination of the evidence leads one to suspect the whole government did it. Rather, the evidence suggests that a corrupt network within the government and corporations did.

    2. Here's an example. Bayer was convicted of selling a tainted blood product called Factor 8 to hemophiliacs back in the 90's. Hundreds of people who took it contracted AIDS and or Hepatitis from it and died. Now was that a grand conspiracy involving doctors and nurses, and lab technicians and the red cross etc. etc.? Of course not. All it took was a few psycho freaks occupying a few strategic positions within Bayer, or the Red Cross or government to ensure the proper conditions were present for the tainted material to get into the market, and an unsuspecting health and medical industry to simply do its job.

  • Hightower
    April 10, 2009 6:59 p.m.

    I watched as the towers collapsed and my thought was, THEN AS I WATCHED, this is a controlled demolition, from demolitions I had seen in real life. I did not need a scientist or other experts to tell me what I saw on the TV that day. I continue to pray that the perpetrators, whoever they may be, are brought to justice so that the world may be freed from the contamination and fallout.

    Wars are being fought, countless people have lost their lives, had their lives damaged and destroyed, countries have been and are being destroyed, while a few have pocketed vast amounts of money.

    Certainly evil stalks the world and lurks disguised.

  • Wow
    April 10, 2009 6:18 p.m.

    Deniers: I invite you to google:

    Patriots Question 911

    You also might try AE911truth, but the first site provides a better starting place.

  • Rick: Thanks Mooser
    April 10, 2009 5:37 p.m.

    Thanks, that was indeed what I implied by saying the planes did not bring down the building by themselves.

    The impact, and all the kenetic energy was gone in those first few seconds. The buildings stood. So, it wasn't the impact from the planes.

    Kerosene [Jet A] burns at the lowest temperatures of fossil fuels - 549.5 F the same temperature as you might broil a chicken in an oven at home -- hardle enough to make steel glow red, let alone melt.

    And to "Not so fast, Rick! | 3:57 p.m." Being a Boeing Engineer does let me advise in the matter. I've done so to both the FAA and the NTSB many times over the years. Not just for opinions and comment sections on a newspaper web-site.

    BTW, Cutting torches used to cut and melt steel are well over 6,000 F, but I'm sure you already knew that too.

  • Chris
    April 10, 2009 5:31 p.m.

    Lets connect some dots. The Anthrax attacks-said anthrax came from Ft. Detrick US military base and the main suspect is NOT Bruce Ivins but IS a man named Philip Zack(also spelled Zach in some cases for some strange reason). Do yourself a favor and google his name and the phrase-"anthrax attacks". The same element that pulled off the 9/11 attacks likely also pulled off the anthrax attacks and in neither case is it the mythical "al qaeda". By the way, wheres Osama? Exactly.

  • Chris
    April 10, 2009 5:16 p.m.

    Not only that Mooser, but the tower which was hit first fell last. And yes, "the government" didnt do 9/11, a handful of traitors in the gov and likely some Israelis "did" 9/11. The muslims were only patsies, its as simple as that. Again I urge all to Google these-"Dov Zakheim,9/11", Dominic Suter,Urban MOving Systems,9/11" and "Dick Cheney,wargames,9/11.".

  • Wow
    April 10, 2009 5:00 p.m.

    While I am not ready to state, "Bush did it." I am ready--and have been so for years now--to state that Cheney, George W. Bush, Zelikow, and various others among and connected to the Neocons, are highly suspect.

    If you've read the 90-or-so-page paper, "Rebuilding America's Defenses for the 21st Century," you can find among the signatories some likely candidates for persons who may have played a role in or who had some kind of knowledge about 911.

    I believe in fair trials, and emphatically oppose "lynchings." But if you study 911 in detail and its history, and the philosophy of the Neocons, they do indeed seem dangerously suspicious.

  • Mooser
    April 10, 2009 4:44 p.m.

    "Did you calculate the total energy the planes would have had when they slammed into the buildings?"

    Much, much less than that exerted by a high wind during the storms in NY as a matter of fact.
    And forget about the fuel, already. 70% of that was gone in the fireball.

    Compared to that building, those planes were balsa wood. Solidest thing in 'em was the main shagt in the engines, and pieces of the landing gear. The buildings didn't even shudder.

  • Mooser
    April 10, 2009 4:36 p.m.

    Okay, let's get two questions separated. First, is the question of whether there were additional explosives in the towers to make them fall down. Second, is who put them there.
    I'm convinced there were explosives used. As to who put them there? Well, that's another question. Might have been Al Qaeda, for all I know.

    Thinking that there were additional explosives in the towers does NOT mean you believe that the US Government put them there. As I remember, Silverstein had an extra-national (Non-American) crew of laborers in the building while it was closed to work on the "communication system or something.

    Again, thinking there were explosives does not mean you are convinced that Bush or Cheney, or anybody else American put them there. And science can answer the first question, the second may require human confession.

  • Mooser
    April 10, 2009 4:29 p.m.

    If my memory serves, the towers did NOT crumble or implode immediately on being hit by the planes. Wasn't there a long delay, on the order of an hour?
    Any kinetic energy from the impact was long since dissipated, the buildings didn't even shudder. Most of the fuel was dissipated in the initial fireball (about 70%, as I remember). And then about an hour later, the building decides to fall down in a way only a demolition charges have ever accounted for.
    Strange.

    But please, go ahead and check. The planes hit, there was a long delay, and then the buildings fell.

  • Wow
    April 10, 2009 4:28 p.m.

    Hey, "Not so fast, Rick!"...ACTIVE THERMITIC MATERIAL has been discovered in the 911-WTC debris.

    What part of ACTIVE THERMITIC MATERIAL are you trying to avoid?

    This is not about claiming anyone knows everything about structural mechanics. This is about ACTIVE THERMITIC MATERIAL in the debris.

    Shall I say it again?

    READ THE PAPER!!!

  • Misplaced Qualifications
    April 10, 2009 4:03 p.m.

    "Ralph Hughes | 8:56 a.m. April 7, 2009
    There is much more evidence than just what Professor Jones presents that 911 was a false flag operation, as I believed it was from Day One. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it the planes alone did not bring the buildings down. A career as an engineer with jet engines was enough for me."

    Ralph, you and Rick need to hang out together so we can minimize the damage you two would cause.

    Again, being a jet engine mechanic in now way qualifies you to make judgements on the effectiveness, or lack thereof, on a several hundred thousand pound airliner smacking into a skyscraper.

    None.

    Zero.

    Zip.

    Nada.

    Now, if I wanted to ask questions specific to jet engines, like how long would the engine(s) run after slamming into the building....1 second, 3 seconds, etc....I'll call you. But to make an overarching statement that the Gov't pulled this off because, hey, you're a jet engine mechanic, is ludicrous.

  • Not so fast, Rick!
    April 10, 2009 3:57 p.m.

    "Rick | 8:48 a.m. April 7, 2009 - Thanks for the reporting. I am a veteran USAF Boeing mechanic and 25+ year Boeing Engineer in Seattle. We've known all along that airplanes alone could not do all this......."

    Good grief!, and you being a guy who works on planes makes you an expert in structural engineering, and specifically, the structural engineering of skyscrapers, how??????

    That's like me saying that I know everything about dancing because I build the shoes the dancer wears.

    Or like saying I know everything about racing cars because I build the steering wheel the driver holds.

    Do fly the planes you supposedly work on? Did you design the World Trade Center towers? Did you calculate the total energy the planes would have had when they slammed into the buildings? What are the critical structural breaking point numbers for the World Trade Center towers?

    Care to share those calculations with us idiotic people who believe our Gov't, that though flawed, did not secretly plan this murderous scheme?



  • Anonymous
    April 10, 2009 3:39 p.m.

    "NB | 3:13 p.m. April 10, 2009
    Every person is entitled to his/her own opinion! From day 1, I never believed that it was "terrorists" who flew a plane into the WTC. I believe it was a concerted & diabolical scheme hatched by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & other sinister gangmembers to justify invasion into Iraq. Blood for oil!! I have considered past history--the American invasions into sovereign nations for a select few Americans' own ends--& I understand the present & will almost predict the future."

    NB, you're a blind fool, and that is putting it gently.

  • Gretavo
    April 10, 2009 3:38 p.m.

    Student, I appreciate your informed opinion on Prof Jones' competence as a professor of physics. I think you are wrong, however, in assuming he has jumped to the facile conclusion that our government perpetrated the attacks themselves. Prof Jones has not to my knowledge made such allegations. Nor should we assume that explosives must have been placed by middle eastern terrorists. The truth cannot be known without a genuine impartial investigation which clearly has not yet been conducted. It should trouble any person of conscience that wars that have claimed thousands of innocent lives have nevertheless been waged with 9/11 as the primary justification. I believe Prof Jones and Prof David Griffin are such people-we would all do well to emulate their uncommon courage.

  • Bad Experiment
    April 10, 2009 3:30 p.m.

    After reading the article I wonder if the experiment should even be published. How can they be sure that the dust they were sampeling was from the World Trade Center? I would feel better if it was dust that a team of scientists collected shortly after 9/11 rather than taking the word of some ordinary New Yorkers who "brought" them samples.

  • NB
    April 10, 2009 3:13 p.m.

    Every person is entitled to his/her own opinion! From day 1, I never believed that it was "terrorists" who flew a plane into the WTC. I believe it was a concerted & diabolical scheme hatched by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & other sinister gangmembers to justify invasion into Iraq. Blood for oil!! I have considered past history--the American invasions into sovereign nations for a select few Americans' own ends--& I understand the present & will almost predict the future.

  • Tony
    April 10, 2009 3:11 p.m.

    I believed it was a conspiracy waged by fringe elements of rogue agencies since the day it happened. Hell, we already had Waco and OKC, so why not? NOBODY deceives like Mossad, CIA, and MI5/MI6. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

    History bears out that 911 is well within the limits of the US's immorality.

    No one has mentioned NORAD. Payne Stewart's little Cessna is flying next to one of those fighter jets, but we have FOUR commercial airliners and NOT ONE fighter was able to intercept it? Dang, bin Laden and crew must have some powerful laptops and the best decryption algorithms known to earth.

    The cognitive dissonance is deafening. An inside job is beneath our government's morality? Really? Or, it is too great a conspiracy? Really? The most far-fetched conspiracy is the mainstream one.

    One other thing. If our government was so ethical and non-complicit, it would do every thing in its power to find the truth. It has done the exact opposite.

    Doesn't that tell you something? Why cover up?

    Man...WAKE UP!!!

  • betty
    April 10, 2009 2:59 p.m.

    Never mind conspiracy theories. Just answer the questions! Why don't they answer the questions? Not only do they not answer, they don't even let us ask. They ridicule us for asking. They shame us for wondering. Respected scientists get fired for doing what they're trained to do -- ask questions and form hypotheses. If they've nothing to hide, why do they suppress the unexplained questions and leave us wondering?

  • student of Prof. Jones
    April 10, 2009 2:49 p.m.

    I took a beginning physics course from Dr. Jones and I think he was a great professor. He was passionate and entertaining and was a very good scientist. I read much of his findings and I don't see anything wrong in further studying the evidence.

    I think he might have jumped to some conclusions in blaming the government for the conspiracy, however. The terrorists themselves could have planted some bombs, its not like they haven't done that before. There could also likely be a much simpler reason for all the evidence that makes sense, one that does not include any kind conspiracy. Once again, there is nothing bad about looking into it.

    As a BYU grad in computer engineering, I think my education at BYU was very valuable and as far from indoctrination as you can get. People who have never taken a class there should not comment on this.

  • USA...USA...USA
    April 10, 2009 12:15 p.m.

    You twoofers don't get it do you?

    There are only two real choices to consider for why the towers fell.

    1)Al Qaeda has waged jihad against the laws of physics.

    2)Al Qaeda got in there undetected and planted their nano engineered super thermite.

    If 1) than Al Qaeda added mass/energy to only the top 15-30 floors above the impact zones to crush the towers below overcoming their resistance.

    If 2) Al Qaeda got in there perhaps the same way they
    escaped from the U.S. maximum security Bagram Air Force Base in Afganistan,or the prison in Yemen,or Tora Bora,or their airlift to Pakistan.Or the magical way Osama keeps slipping away yet still releases his videos in that magical tribal area that can never be penetrated.Hell,they out smarted NORAD for almost 2 hours on 9/11!

    You twoofers just hate freedom.Gotta go now! I thought I heard a terrist under my bed!
    Quick,burn the Constitution!

    CODE ORANGE- CODE ORANGE

  • Gretavo
    April 10, 2009 11:42 a.m.

    Rusty Shackleford: "the simplest answer is usually the correct one."

    Tanabear: "The explanation that can best account for the available evidence is normally the correct one."

    You're absolutely right, T, but then again, which explanation sounds more simple?

    1) On the same day as a military exercise simulating hijackings, a group of 19 Islamic terrorists who hate us because we are free successfully passed through airport security with most of them never appearing on surveillance video or the flight manifests and successfully hijacked 4 commercial airliners using boxcutters after which they, with no real life jumbo jet piloting experience to speak of, successfully flew the planes into three of their four targets, completely destroying *three* huge skyscrapers with *two* of them and making all 4 of the 6 ton steel and titanium engines on the other ones disappear entirely while causing oddly little damage on impact.

    OR

    2) the government and corporate media are covering up what really happened that day.

    hmmmmmm... seems to me that anyone claiming to accept #1 is either suffering from some kind of cognitive issues OR is not being honest about what they truly think, maybe because they don't like arabs or muslims.

  • BenF
    April 10, 2009 11:18 a.m.

    Actually the twin towers were, at the time, the most heavily redundant steel core structures in history, unless, of course, the architects who designed them and the builders who built them were lying and that construction pictures of the steel box column cores are photoshopped lies.

    It doesn't make sense that the concrete decking of every floor, all laced with thousands of miles of rebar would all pulverize, rebar and all, and turn to spewing aerosolized dust all at near free fall speed. It splashed down through the greatest resistance, pulverizing everything without really slowing down. Use your head. Kinetic energy, energy in motion, means that in a gravitational collapse the maximum amount of energy you could possibly release at once would result in free fall speed. If the under infrastructure is taken out ahead of whatever is falling that release of that much kinetic energy is doable, as in a controlled demolition. We are supposed to believe none of these structures, which got stronger, wider, and more redundant the further down they got, all pulverized due to gravity collapse without slowing down, sloughing off of the greatest area of resistance all while doing massive pulverization work.

  • ng
    April 10, 2009 10:09 a.m.

    good to see that evidence is still coming out and being talked about

  • Two Explanations?
    April 10, 2009 10:01 a.m.

    Greg,

    Your logic is about as solid as is the Professor's logic!

    LOL!

    What a joke!

    2 choices, eh? 1. the most poorly constructed buildings in the world, or 2. The buildings were demolished in a controlled demolition.

    The buildings couldn't possibly have fallen because TWO HUGE PASSENGER JETS, FILLED WITH JET FUEL, SLAMMED INTO THEM!?

    LOL!

    You people are just amazing! I hope you all realize how much of a laughins stock you are making yourselves, and BYU, and the LDS Church!

  • Utah is so blind
    April 10, 2009 9:36 a.m.

    "conspiracy theory"...when are going to learn that sometimes the people in charge of this country makes mistakes??? WTC "Failure" was one of them.
    Do you think that 3 airplanes can crash in the most important city in the world like nothing???!!! WOW that was a good movie!!! with all respect to those families.
    But we need to see the real facts, this is about a new discovery to help us to know what really happened that day. Dont blame the muslims for everything, it is so obvious that they were help from inside, their job was so easy!!! War was the aswer....wrong answer!!!! good for business, but bad for us!!!

    They just put the flag in our faces to keep us quiet and hate others for our faults!!!

  • billy bob
    April 10, 2009 8:55 a.m.

    i recently learned that there was a large explosion in the fields creating a crater just as the 4th plane hit the ground!...wow being a nut job conspirator is so much fun!!!

  • Shorebreak
    April 10, 2009 8:54 a.m.

    I'd like to thank the editorial staff of Deseret News for demonstrating the journalistic integrity required to publish this story in an unbiased manner. Excellent work. At a time when many readers are seeking news and information from alternative sources, you have demonstrated that real and honest reporting can still be found in some traditional media. Please continue the excellent work.

  • Greg
    April 10, 2009 8:19 a.m.

    There are 2 choices:
    1. The twin towers , and especially Building seven that wasn't hit and had only small fires, all collapsed because they were the most poorly constructed buildings in the world.
    or
    2. The buildings were demolished in a controlled demolition.
    I have never read any suport for choice one, or any investigation into poor construction. Therefore.....

  • To Mark
    April 10, 2009 1:00 a.m.

    "I have a hard time believing that we have the requisite number of people in the government needed to carry out such a vast conspiracy who are also willing to kill thousands of innocent Americans and then stay silent for years to come."

    Have you never heard of Pearl Harbor? Please refer to "Day of Deceit" by Robert Stinnett. Google it.

  • Mike
    April 10, 2009 12:56 a.m.

    Mark wrote:

    "I have a hard time believing that we have the requisite number of people in the government needed to carry out such a vast conspiracy who are also willing to kill thousands of innocent Americans and then stay silent for years to come."

    Mark, have you never heard of Pearl Harbor? Please refer to "Day of Infamy." Google it.

  • Psychology
    April 9, 2009 11:23 p.m.

    To: TR (5:06 PM): You give an excellent hypothesis about a timeframe during which the explosives could have been applied.

    Also interesting, in addition, is that there appears to have been re-"fireproofing" done to parts of the core structures of WTC 1 & 2 at certain times.

    It's surprising the lack of imagination deniers show when they imagine the folks applying the explosives to be a big crew of demolition guys marching in with TNT or thermite, etc. It is perfectly possible that most of the people who set the explosives in the buildings thought they were doing something harmless.

  • tanabear
    April 9, 2009 10:52 p.m.

    Anonymous: "I'm sure the people who died in the 9/11 attacks would be doing flips in their graves if they heard about this conspiracy. Shame on those who believe it was the US government."

    Shame on those who don't care about investigating the greatest mass murder in American history.


    Rusty Shackleford: "the simplest answer is usually the correct one."

    The explanation that can best account for the available evidence is normally the correct one.

  • 9/11 is a shame
    April 9, 2009 8:58 p.m.

    Thank you Mr. Jones.

  • Dianne C. Foster
    April 9, 2009 7:34 p.m.

    It's rather telling how "ad hominem" most of the critics of Professor Jones are here - circular reasoning which essentially says that to disbelieve the official story is evidence of mental illness. That is NOT how this country was made or how science progressed. Carry on, truthers, and may we finally have light and air again in this country, that is not contaminated with corruption.

  • kellysgarden
    April 9, 2009 7:16 p.m.

    9/11 was the biggest crime in the history of the world, and we still don't know exactly who did it. Bin Laden is NOT wanted by the FBI for the lack of evidence. To verify this fact, just go the the FBI's official website and check out bin Laden's page. FBI says they don't list 9/11 as one of his crimes because they lack the evidence.

    So, the real perpetrators of 9/11 are still at large, and it appears there are two distinct groups of people in USA - - the first group doesn't care about bin Laden or whomever was behind 9/11, and the second group is extremely concerned about finding the perpetrators of 9/11 and are demanding a new investigation into the facts in order to find out who perpetrated the biggest crime in world history.

    Given the existence of these two distinct groups of people, those who care to catch the real perps, and those who don't care to look into the facts, I'd say that the group who wants a new investigation is the patriotic group.

  • david
    April 9, 2009 7:14 p.m.

    @ Jessica,

    You said:

    "I am honestly unsure of what to think. Here are some random thoughts....Realistically, everything we know about the 911 attacks comes from the media,which probably got their information from the government."

    Your caution and doubt is totally appropriate and is true intelligence. When all sources of information are mediated ultimately you must trust your own perception. That is indeed the only intelligent way to proceed.

    So please consider, verify, and contemplate this:

    In its final report, the 9/11 commission found that the structures of WTC 1 and 2, damaged by plane impacts and fire, weakened until they gave way. The report concludes that no force other than gravity caused the 2 towers to "collapse".

    Confirm that. Investigate that simple statement until you are satisfied it is accurate.

    Then, do an online search for a you-tube video, using the following key words, "north tower exploding" turn the sound off so you don't hear the commentary, and weigh it against what you previously confirmed.

    The 9/11 commission says what you are seeing is only gravity, but what do YOU see?

    Best of luck to you.

  • Prufrock
    April 9, 2009 6:49 p.m.

    How many the shills (9/11 DENIERS) are on that massive Pentagon psy-ops payroll ?
    Stephen Jones is a true American patriot.
    It's a little safer to come out now.
    Google some research for yourself.
    Wake up America.

  • Shill Hater
    April 9, 2009 6:34 p.m.

    yes, the Shills are restless. it's as if we're telling these pathetic mormon GOP blind faith idiots that there is no God. That's true too, but they won't print it. Shills are indeed fired up.

  • BenF
    April 9, 2009 6:19 p.m.

    Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs places "The Acceptance of the Facts" at the very top. It is part of what is called "Self Actualization." If a truth threatens any of the basic needs, like food, shelter, safety, a sense of belonging, a feeling of esteem in society, then people will instinctively choose not to believe it is true.

    A lot of people are not "going there" out of self-preservation. They are in denial and people in denial can be jerks. So, aside from the Benedict Arnold-like paid shills, you are seeing denial, the same kind of fearful bullying and ridicule that you saw back before the Catholic clergy abuse scandal broke. Back then victims of clergy abuse were pilloried, marginalized and shunned for trying to speak the truth by people who felt too threatened by the implications of believing them. To those people in denial on this peer reviewed paper, consider taking it easy; elite traitors have been called out and arrested before in our country and all it did was result in a better country, so, when it happens again it'll be like what happened with the church, sad, but not earth shattering.



  • Bingo Johnny
    April 9, 2009 6:17 p.m.

    I thought everyone knew this stuff already. You can tell by the aggressiveness of the shills that this story is hot. Almost as hot as molten steel...

    Many thanks to Elaine Jarvik for being one of the few in the media who is doing her job. Nobody likes to change diapers but someone has to hold their nose and do it.

  • anti-ignorance.org
    April 9, 2009 5:45 p.m.

    You people who continue to deny the obvious facts that show the true criminals of 9/11, and those of you posting on here as shills attempting to thwart the truth, are obviously either completely ignorant or a part of the problem. Your name calling tactics are childish and lame. Do your homework. For the sake of your freedom, PLEASE do your homework and realize what is going on in the world around you. The truth will always win.

  • Rusty Shackleford
    April 9, 2009 5:44 p.m.

    Conspiracy theories usually miss the mark, the simplest answer is usually the correct one. I think the obvious answer is that the twin towers were originally constructed out of explosives. The terrorists were just lucky.

  • Occam's Razor
    April 9, 2009 5:28 p.m.

    Additionally, if one were to rely on force and heat to collapse the towers and ensure the success of the mission one would use a fully fueled 747 on a non-stop flight to Tokyo taking off from LaGuardia or JFK. Maximum force, maximum fuel, no time for interception. Whoever scripted the alleged series of events did not take the time to put forth the most plausible plan with the highest degree of success. Face it folks, we've been had....

  • kellysgarden
    April 9, 2009 5:14 p.m.

    How 'bout this for a conspiracy theory? The Northwoods Documents, which are now in the public realm and available on the internet to anyone, tell how the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1963 submitted a plan to JFK that would create a pretext to a war with Cuba by initiating a false-flag attack on the USA.

    This plan called for a military plane to be painted up to look like a commercial airliner. The plane was to be flown remotely over Cuba, where it would be detonated by a radio signal. The false passenger lists would be publicized, and mock funerals would be held.

    This conspiracy was not a theory, however. It was a serious plan which JFK did not authorize. Instead, JFK had Lemnitzer removed from his position of Joint Chief.

    The USA has had other documented cases of false-flag attacks to justify a war. For example, google the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

    Study up on the 1963 Northwoods Documents by googling it.

    The official conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot explain the molten metal found in the sub-basements of all three buildings. Google WTC7.

  • Marty Didier
    April 9, 2009 5:07 p.m.

    There's a lot more to this as I learned the details of 911 back in 1996 while in a family who are directly involved in the criminal activity involved in what is happening. The scientific community has done a good job to surface detailed information supporting a planned destruction. I can assure everyone that this was State Run Terrorism. Many of those involved are currently in the news and expect their involvement in 911 to surface in the future.

    Marty Didier
    Northbrook, IL

  • TR
    April 9, 2009 5:06 p.m.

    I can tell you exactly when the explosives were planted. The WTC bombing that occurred prior to 9/11 were used as a pretext to plant the neccessary explosives. Remember, a blind muslim fanatic orchestrated it. Only federal employees were allowed near that site for months.

  • occam's razor
    April 9, 2009 4:46 p.m.

    Why would a terrorist hijack a plane leaving Boston and fly it for 45 minutes before reaching NYC - this would be a window of opportunity to be intercepted, in other words, an unsuccessful terrorist attempt. It would make so much more sense if the planes flying into the Towers were hijacked as they flew out of NYC airports.

  • truthseeds - Good journalism!
    April 9, 2009 4:41 p.m.

    After I awoke to our awful situation a couple years ago, it was upsetting to notice the corporate-controlled media was a propaganda machine. Yellow-journalism is the norm in regards to 911, the Iraq War, health freedoms and Ron Paul etc. I canceled our newspapers, magazines, satellite TV and began voting with my money and studying freedom etc. Starve the Gadiantons! Articles such as this do restore some of my trust and confidence in journalism. Thank you.

    In 1983, 50 corporations controlled the vast majority of all news media in the U.S. Now it is all controlled by 5 corporations with conflicts of interest. Why do the corporate media act as cheerleaders for war? The national networks, NBCCBSABCFOXCNNMSNBC, most newspapers, magazines and the smaller cable channels, are owned, funded, and controlled by an interconnected network of large corporate conglomerates and international banking interests, which manipulates and filters out news that does not fit their corporate agenda.

    There is also the Pentagon's manipulation of 911 news and Iraq war news by spoon-feeding talking points and manipulating talking points and infiltrating the already corrupt media.

    Fact-check, use alternative news sources, question all, research, study, ponder, pray...

  • Kris
    April 9, 2009 4:18 p.m.

    Why wasn't this printed in the physical paper? This should be FRONT PAGE NEWS!

    I appreciate you writing this article, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE print this! Even if it is in the local section like it is here!

    This completely blows the official commission theory out of this atmosphere!

    Even IF somehow a bunch of angry Arabs pulled of 911 on their own merit, which I doubt, it cannot be argued that the Bush administration did everything in their power to take advantage of these attacks to expand government control and begin the destruction of our basic rights outlined in the constitution. Where should I start? Warrantless spying through communication networks? Suspension of Habeas Corpus? Degradation of posse comitatus and expanding continuity of government?

    Don't start on the "Terrorists have no rights". If you're a human being you have rights. Its stated in the Declaration of Independence. You take rights away from one group, there is no reason to not take that right away from you, or your family. That is dangerous in the hands of a corrupt government (like we obviously have).

    This changes EVERYTHING! PLEASE PLEASE PRINT THIS ARTICLE!

  • Wow
    April 9, 2009 3:11 p.m.

    If YOU were killed on 911, would you want vengeance to be taken on the wrong people?

  • Wow
    April 9, 2009 2:59 p.m.

    To: capelipl: Thank you for what you said:

    "911 truth ends war."

    That is concise and beautiful. THAT statement of yours captures the most important part of all this. We do need to know who. But in order to find who, we need to find what and how. Who is important because:

    1)Justice can then be more properly meted out.

    2)If the current Middle East wars are found to be based on lies, they can perhaps be stopped, and further wars in this matter can be prevented.

  • capelipl
    April 9, 2009 2:39 p.m.

    the great tragedy of the 911 false flag event motivates truth seeking citizens in nations around the world, it is time for the govts of israel and america to clean house and stop shielding mass murderers in their midst, flag flag attacks on innocent civilians, murders of activists and the disregard for the health crisis of first responders must stop. the world demands it and citizen trust in government will not return until the 911 false flag mass murder is put behind us .

    911 truth ends war

  • DC52
    April 9, 2009 2:29 p.m.

    you can follow the fear or follow the Question.

  • Jerry Fletcher
    April 9, 2009 2:27 p.m.

    re: secret | 12:56 p.m. April 8, 2009

    How 'bout the Gadianton Robbers on Wall St?

    >> Also, President Hinckley said the terrorists belonged to the very secret combination that the book of mormon says will exist in the latter days.

    Also, Pres. Benson said long ago that the communists were also members of that secret combination.

  • Re: Contributions
    April 9, 2009 2:24 p.m.

    ae911truth would be the most deserving of contributions - professionals dedicated to the us of science to find out why and how, not necessarily by whom.

  • Wow
    April 9, 2009 2:06 p.m.

    To: Anonymous (1:56 AM):

    If I were killed in the 911 tragedy, and I maintained some kind of awareness (spiritual, etc) afterward, I believe I would like it to be known to people just who it was that participated in the mass-murder, both those directly as well as those indirectly involved.

    For the sake of those people murdered, for their spirits, and for their relatives and friends, let us continue to seek the truth.

  • Contributions?
    April 9, 2009 1:40 p.m.

    Where can one make contributions to continuing research?

  • 2BFree
    April 9, 2009 1:26 p.m.

    I want to thank the Deseret News for this article. Dr. Jones and the other authors of this paper have risked their good names and careers to research this ON THEIR OWN with their own money to answer the myriad of unanswered questions ignored by the government studies/cover up. I am renewing my subscription because of this article.

  • Wow
    April 9, 2009 12:09 p.m.

    True American, you ask "What evidence is there?"

    You could begin by reading the new paper itself. It's easy to access.

    Once you've done that, I can direct you to a whole lot more.

    Your patriotism and love of country are not questioned by me.

  • Concerned Citizen
    April 9, 2009 11:50 a.m.

    How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. --Adolf Hitler

    Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth. --Albert Einstein

    If we do not act, we are acted upon. --George Orwell

    -----------------

    Believers of the official conspiracy theory should ask themselves two questions:

    (1) If they were asked to prove the official conspiracy theory, would they be able to?

    (2) What is it that makes them have hissy fits against people who vocalize their discovery of and support for evidence that does not agree with their yet unproven conspiracy theory?

  • Question
    April 9, 2009 11:38 a.m.

    EVERYTHING!

  • Another Australian
    April 9, 2009 8:57 a.m.

    This article got a bit of play here in Oz I see.
    Congrats to this newspaper for running the article and enabling Dr Jones to post comments here.

    I find him reasonable and balanced and enjoy his research.

    Perhaps you could feature him more often.

    I like that he avoids speculating on who/ what/ why, and just keeps it to the technical aspects within his sphere of education.

    Yes the thought of "who" becomes troubling (if- as it appears there were explosives in the buildings), but ours is not to prove one way or another, rather, simply to ask those professing the "official" line to consider new lines of research and greater transparency in the "official" conclusion.

    For mine, the smoking gun was Building 7. It was 200metres away and 47 stories....into....its....own.....footprint. Thats what got me interested.

    Plus the comments from teh buildings own designer that he designed for airplane crash (not to forget the fuel burned_outside_ the building on one of them)

  • Sittin-Bull
    April 9, 2009 8:09 a.m.

    @ Let's see:

    aluminum and steel? And large parts of them were pulverized in the fall?

    How do you pulverize aluminum and steel with simple gravity? Ever looked at some earthquakes pictures (where energy is added by shaking ground) and thus following gravity collapses? You bet if one can find any pulverized aluminum, steel or concrete to a fine grade in them.

  • Bill Duke
    April 9, 2009 8:08 a.m.

    Jessica | 9:16 a.m. April 8, 2009 One may conclude that one "does not know". In my opinion, this is resignation and takes us NO WHERE. Better to say, "Re-open a true investigation of 9/11 and get to the truth as best we can discover it given that a crime of immense proportion was committed in the WILLFUL DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE. Many committed "truthers" have lost their careers, refusing to accept the official story and say. "we don't know.

  • re: "True American"
    April 9, 2009 7:45 a.m.

    ...You said -- twice, if you don't like it, leave i.e., "move out of the country".

    Boy, that is pure Sheeple mentality! That is exactly the kind of patsy, dumbing down of America big Government has worked for decades to achieve.

    And congratulations for letting someone else do all your critical thinking for you. That was precisely what our Founding Fathers had in mind, NOT.

    As a True American myself, I love the fact that WE can still search, ponder and pray to find truth for ourselves from other sources...rather than relying on the Wolf Blitzer(s) and other media talking-heads to form our realities.

    Thank You DesNews for reporting and letting "We the People" decide.

  • Stevan Madrigal
    April 9, 2009 7:40 a.m.

    Well done, Dr. Jones et. al., Hard science will continue and finally the truth will be known. There cannot be dispute over facts and then justice will follow.
    a/e 911 truth.

  • Anonymous
    April 9, 2009 7:14 a.m.

    Bogus Claims | 7:23 a.m. April 7, 2009 You are WAY off. There are eye witnesses who heard explosions and there are explosive noises recorded BEFORE the planes hit. PLEASE do some research.

  • Re: Let's See
    April 9, 2009 6:56 a.m.

    ". . .thermite is a mixture of aluminum powder and iron or steel powder. And these buildings were made of . . . aluminum and steel? And large parts of them were pulverized in the fall?"

    You don't know what thermite is. Basic thermite is an incendiary consisting of, for example, a finely grained mixture of Fe2O3 (Iron-Oxide) and Al (Aluminium). Normal thermite has a very high ignition point. However, the red/gray chips found in the WTC-dust are nanocomposites, in other words, a very finely grained (on the nanometer scale, obviously) explosive (no longer incendiary) mixture with a much lower ignition point. This is high-tech military stuff, patented a few years before 2001. It can be sprayed onto surfaces if desired. It can be applied in sol-gel form.
    It has a comparable or even higher energy release than explosives such as e.g. TNT and RDX, some of which are used for building demolitions.

    Red/Gray chips with a complex nanomatrix structure do NOT suddenly materialize out of 'collapsing' aluminium cladding and steel beams. Who are you calling a crank, dummy?

  • USA...USA...USA
    April 9, 2009 6:05 a.m.

    @True American & Anonymous above.

    Now you get it.We must unite and go murder for the expanding federal government.Our freedom is derived from aggressive preemptive undeclared war,NOT from natural Rights from the consent of the governed.

    Nothing honors the victims of 9/11 more than constantly invoking their names to justify our forgein policy of freedom. (spreading democracy)

    Evidence is for terrists!Shame on them for using reasoning,logic and science.











  • Let's see
    April 9, 2009 5:49 a.m.

    . . . thermite is a mixture of aluminum powder and iron or steel powder. And these buildings were made of . . . aluminum and steel? And large parts of them were pulverized in the fall?

    Hmmmmm.

    What would be startling is if we DIDN'T find "thermite" in the wreckage.

    This guy is a crank.

  • Anonymous
    April 9, 2009 1:56 a.m.

    Im sure the people who died in the 9/11 attacks would be doing flips in their graves if they heard about this conspiracy. Shame on those who believe it was the US government.

  • True American.
    April 9, 2009 1:53 a.m.

    LOL what evidence is there? If you really believe that it is soem conspiracy, then please, move out of the country. Men and Women are dying for freedom, and those 3000 people that died that day died in honor. So to you that believe this BYU nut and think that its a conspiracy, move out of the country.

  • Anonymous
    April 9, 2009 12:22 a.m.

    This is the "smoking Gun" the "Conservatives" did'nt want to revealed!

    The weapons of mass destruction were really in the hands of the Politicians.

  • Anonymous
    April 8, 2009 9:16 p.m.

    As has been pointed out, this article barely scratches the surface. Do the research, there are over 400 scientists and scholars who support Dr. Jones. There were many fire drills and other excuses to evacuate the buildings in the days leading up to 911. It wouldn't take that many people to plant explosives, and it is not that hard to keep them shut up about it, especially if family members are threatened. The biggest thing the powers behind this have going for them is the belief by the majority that it is impossible and crazy for anyone to believe our own government was behind this. In my opinion, the evidence for 911 conspiracy far exceeds JFK, Pearl Harbor, UFO's combined. The evidence is overwhelming and undeniable.

  • Psychology
    April 8, 2009 8:24 p.m.

    For any who haven't yet read the paper, notice especially figure 30 on page 27, which illustrates the energy release of the red/gray chips and compares this with the energy release of conventional explosives.

    Showing the illustration to a few (or more) friends seems like a good idea as well.

    Heck...why stop there? Point it out to some media outlets also.

    Cheers to DesNews for getting this started.

  • Skyhawk_maintainer
    April 8, 2009 7:43 p.m.

    Ive seen films and videos of buildings that werent brought down as professionally as the WTC towers. If it were as easy to do this by using an asymmetrical force to gain the same symmetrical results as what is now being done with planning and prepositioned explosives, why bother with demolitions experts any more? Anybody who supports the official government story must believe that demolition experts are no longer necessary to pull down large structures, as they can be replaced by large aircraft flown by remote control.

  • Psychology
    April 8, 2009 7:28 p.m.

    The label "conspiracy theorist" has been used a lot these past few years. It wouldn't surprise me if, in the fairly near future, we have a formal psychological term for "denialism" or something to that effect.

  • USA...USA...USA
    April 8, 2009 7:27 p.m.

    And whats with all these Aussie domestic terrist comments?Don't you know we're the greatest country on Earth!?Our news chicks are the hottest ,so they would never lie to us.
    You're either with us or against us.There is no time for critical thought,it's a waste of time and we need action.Use gut feelings not wimpy terrist loving logical consistency.You should just be thankful you had John Howard to protect you from the evil doers.So stop questiong authority, we have a never ending global war to fight.

  • Mr.G
    April 8, 2009 7:00 p.m.

    For Mr. Bray:

    There is video of a top-down demolition posted on YouTube entitled "top down demolition" (or the same video entitled "Gambling barge goes 'kaboom' in Mississippi" is available on MSNBC; this monitored Website does not permit me to post here)

  • Aussie
    April 8, 2009 6:47 p.m.

    I gotta say well done to this US University for enabling their staff to produce this on a technical level. Good stuff. Its what higger learnings is meant to do. Right and/ or wrong.
    Admittedly many of us outside of the US don't rate the intellect of Americans very highly. ie 2 planes hit 2 buildings but 3 buildings fall into their own footprint. (first time in history)
    This guy does some pretty reasonable research, yet_he's_the freakazoid? okaaaay.
    This is a good step towards recovering a reputation lose through the Bush years.

  • USA...USA...USA
    April 8, 2009 5:58 p.m.

    These twoofers just don't get it.

    Obviously,all this paper shows is that Al Qeada has the capacity to nano engineer explosives while hiding out in caves and tribal regions,hating us for our freedom.
    We have vastly under estimated Al Qeada's arsonal in their jihad.Before,we thought they just had some jungle gyms,machine guns,fire proof passports,video tapes and a dialysis machine for their elusive leader OBL.But this takes things to another level.


  • Dany
    April 8, 2009 4:12 p.m.

    Sorry for previous post.... a little out of line. I must try to remember that sadly this may be the FIRST thing some people have read about this, being that is a more mainstream media. Please research this topic with an open mind. I personally discovered the cover up only a few years ago, and I know how much it can affect you when you realize you've had blind faith in our governments for so long. When I read derogatory comments about 'truthers' I ask myself this question. "Would the people who died in concentration camps have once perhaps mocked their friends and family who told them they were fleeing Germany, because they felt they knew what was coming?" I don't want my friends, family or anyone to one day say, "if only I had listened". This is the most important topic of your lifetime people! Do not rely on the TV or print media. Investigate, investigate, investigate.

  • Anonymous
    April 8, 2009 4:05 p.m.

    From Australia; congtratulations Desert News, you are at least a 'NEWS'paper. The official Bush believer's conspiracy theory, that 19 Arabs did it has been purveyed by a corrupt corporate controlled media since the event. Now, as the truth is being divulged by dedicated thinkers the controlled mass media will have to explain their lies or just go broke.
    The internet is the reason that the official conspircay theory has been seen to be nonsense. Just do your research people and overcome your state of denial. Governments have murdered their own people for the agenda of others for ions. Do a search of "false flag operations'.
    Good to see some people in the US eventulally being informed, ask yourself; why has this taken so long?
    Try 'patriotsquestion911.com', "political leaders for 911 truth, religiousleaders for 911 truth, medical professionals for 911 truth etc.
    See ae911truth (Architects and engineers) and scrol to David Chandler's three part presentation under the heading "NIST admits freefall". Sorry people, but looking at how silly your NIST (your scientists!)people look, makes us, looking from the outside of your country, wonder how gullible and simple a once proud nation can be, your embarrasing.

  • Dany
    April 8, 2009 3:49 p.m.

    Oh My God,
    I honestly cannot believe that some of the people that write comments in here are so stupid. Eg, the person who is saying that the conspiracists may have planted the thermite so they could 'bring down the government'. Are you flipping kidding? Millions of people around the world have been begging for an independent investigation for almost 8 years now, and NOTHING has happened! They're not very good at bringing the Govenrnment down then are they!!!!It's a massive cover up you idiots!!! SOOOO FRUSTRATED AND SICK OF THE SHEEPLE! We are ALL being manipulated. Are you blind? Why don't you google ANY of these topics on any actual NEWS website and you will find NOTHING! It's a media blackout. Do your research!!

  • Hunter
    April 8, 2009 3:31 p.m.

    I've worn my bumper sticker on the rear of my vehicle proudly for the past year:

    911 Was An Inside Job

    Thank you for reporting this, it is very important this information is made public for both praise and criticism.

    I was only convinced of this just a year ago when I actually sat down and did research, hours of it in fact, rather than playing it off as crazy talk.

    The information presented by Alex Jones and Infowars was a start, but documentaries like Loose Change, In Plane Sight, Fabled Enemies and Terror Storm really added to the wealth of information that is available on the subject.

    There are so many facets to this, 911 is only a small part of the large picture. It has everything to do with creating an Orwellian 1984 police state and the expansion of power by a few elitists, kinda like what happened at the G20 Summit.

    Don't take our word for it, read books and watch documentaries researches have already compiled. The new docs "The Obama Deception" and "Core of Corruption" are a great way to start and only require a few hours of your time.

    If you dare.

  • Anon
    April 8, 2009 2:49 p.m.

    What you need to know about "Peer-review"

    Here's what you need to know (especially if you are not a scientist): UNLESS AN OBJECTOR ACTUALLY PUBLISHES HIS OR HER OBJECTION IN A PEER-REVIEWED ESTABLISHED JOURNAL (yes that would include Bentham Scientific journals), THEN THE OBJECTION IS NOT CONSIDERED SERIOUS IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY. YOU SHOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT NON-PUBLISHED OBJECTIONS EITHER.

    So how do you, as a non-scientist, discern whether the arguments are valid or not? You should first ask, "is the objection PUBLISHED in an ESTABLISHED PEER-REVIEWED JOURNAL?" If not, you can and should say -- "I will wait to see this formally published in a refereed scientific journal. Until then, the published peer-reviewed work by Harrit et al. stands. "

  • Anon
    April 8, 2009 2:46 p.m.

    Read the scientific paper, especially the abstract in the beginning and the discussion sections. It's not that hard to understand. Active super high-tech explosives are found in high concentrations in the WTC dust samples. This means there were TONS of active explosives present in the toxic dust which followed the WTC building demolitions. This is a peer reviewed scientific journal. Unless any objections are made in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, this scientific paper stands up to the rigors of the scientific peer-review process.

  • Sitting-Bull
    April 8, 2009 2:37 p.m.

    I already said it the last time I commented an article 'bout professor Jones:

    Maybe the renewal work was not was it seems to be.


    "I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it." -1993-John Skilling, Head Structural Engineer WTC Towers

    "If someone really wants to take the WTC, he will. Our job here is to discourage those interested in doing so in the hope that they go elsewhere."- Douglas Karpiloff, Head of Security WTC

    An interesting link would be Magic Plumbing and Heating associated with Denko. Front companies. False Flag companies. Rogue intelligence squadrons driven.

  • An American
    April 8, 2009 2:25 p.m.

    Fire could have burn the Towers, however, fire could have not vaporised the 3 NY Towers. It were exlosives or some kinds of thermate explosions which vaporised entire the 3 NY Towers.

    Larry Silverstein has publicly confessed to his crimes by "...PULLING IT...".

    The Towers were blown to bits, and the owner, Lucky Larry who had been owning the Towers for less than 4 months, has confessed to his crimes. Yet, noone has been charged. Even the FBI has not indicated that Bin Laden involvement into the Tower attacks.

    Larry Silverstein was one of those people(s) behind the 911 attacks.

  • LuKe
    April 8, 2009 2:10 p.m.

    @Gretavo:

    "Why don't you join the rest of us in reality and accept already that you were duped? Most of us were, until we found the courage to examine all the relevant facts for ourselves."

    Be patient. I`m German, and this is your version of the Reichstag-fire. It`s hard to recognize that you`ve been lied to.

    Of all CT-versions of what happened on 9/11, the official one is one of the worst. Besides the media coverage, there is not a single, simple evidence for it.

    Try yourself.

  • Gretavo
    April 8, 2009 1:47 p.m.

    @ george 1:17 p.m.

    You left out these: al Qaeda hiding out in numerous high tech bunkers built inside of mountains in Afghanistan, Saddam being involved in 9/11, Saddam having WMD, Jessica Lynch going down shooting, Anthrax being mailed by Islamic terrorists, Bernie Madoff is a brilliant investor, Enron's business model was ingenious, Bill Clinton did not have sex with that woman... Now these are just the ones that have been proven to be lies, and yet at some point in time the majority of people believed them to be true. If the best you can muster as a counterargument is to insinuate that 9/11 skepticism is comparable to belief in UFO's then we must be getting closer to the truth. Why don't you join the rest of us in reality and accept already that you were duped? Most of us were, until we found the courage to examine all the relevant facts for ourselves.

  • stuarthwyman
    April 8, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    A lot of witness reported explosions, collapses of the 3 building are at all similar to controlled demolition, NIST as accounted a lot of lies with only 16 milions dollars thay had from gouvernment...

    An indipendent investigation needs to the world...

  • Randy A Michael
    April 8, 2009 1:19 p.m.

    When buildings fall down, they don't BLOW UP.

  • george
    April 8, 2009 1:17 p.m.

    And the 9/11 conspiracy theory has returned. It was all an inside job. And since so many people are willing to believe this, lets revisit these conspiracies as truth:

    One world order, Philadelphia experiment, How AIDS really got started, Cars able to run only on water,
    Global warming, Illuminati, ETs


    Say, is there any truth to the rumour that the trumpet that Moroni is tooting on the mormon temples is really a signal that is going to Kolob?

  • ripz
    April 8, 2009 1:08 p.m.

    Hey "debunkers"... what part of "peer reviewed and published in a scientific journal" don't you get?

    You don't get to simply debate you're way out of this. What you need to try to do is find some "experts" who can refute this evidence by way of publishing scientific proof of their own in a peer reviewed journal. Until that happens (it won't so don't hold your breath) This paper stands as "unchallenged" in the scientific community.

    Even though the "Journal of 911 Studies" is not mainstream, It's body of work stands unchallenged... just like the first two MS peer reviewed papers this group of wonderful patriotic scientists have been successful in having published.

    Thank you so much for writing and, having the courage, to publish this article.


  • Turow
    April 8, 2009 12:57 p.m.

    @ Larry J

    I don't know what is more amazing, the Bush administratoin's explanation for how the towers fell or the the people who believe them. But then a lot of people around here believe in some really crazy things.

    Try using evidence in your arguments, Larry--its more persuasive.

    Here's a tidbit. You will recall that Bush tried to appoint Henry Kissinger, the master of conspiracies, to lead the investigation into 911.


  • secret
    April 8, 2009 12:56 p.m.

    If there was a conspiracy it wasn't George Bush.

    Our government and society is riddled with people belonging to secret combinations.

    Also, since our society and government is riddled by these secret combinations there must have been many who live in NYC and worked at the buildings.

    I find it stange (just a theory) that the hijackers (who want to kill as many people as possible), didn't wait until a little later to be sure all the people who worked there showed up? Perhaps it was so those who are in this secret combination could stay away until it was done?

    Also, President Hinckley said the terrorists belonged to the very secret combination that the book of mormon says will exist in the latter days.

    Also, Pres. Benson said long ago that the communists were also members of that secret combination.

    Also, notice how hollywood loves both the communists and the terrorists.

  • Margaret
    April 8, 2009 12:46 p.m.

    First thing to do is read the article. It is sophisticated, but elegantly simple, as truth frequently is. It draws no conclusions EXCEPT that a nano-version of Thermite was demonstrated in all samples. Nano thermite is only able to be produced by a very small number of sources, all of which would be under tight security. This is the smoking gun!
    I think we are back to my favorite "square one", which is FOLLOW THE MONEY, cui bono? I may not live long enough to see this play out, but I am certain that a number of people are very disconcerted that this paper was published- and is receiving attention. Thank God!!!

  • BACK SHOW
    April 8, 2009 12:30 p.m.

    I noticed recently that Glenn Beck earlier this week promo'ed a Beck segment about Popular Mechanics Magazine editor(s) to debunk the 9/11 conspiracy theories (so that's the best source possible, uh?).

    Beck is a popular up-and-coming conservative who I believe made a deal with FOX--he gets the show, FOX gets their propagada.

  • What???
    April 8, 2009 12:25 p.m.

    A large aircraft smashing with tremendous force into the side of a building would not comprise it's structual integrity?? REALLY???

  • RB
    April 8, 2009 12:24 p.m.

    No cover up?

    Flight 91 that crashed in the field was shot-down by our own military jets.

    Fact - USAF fighters were scambled in the D.C. area when all flights were ordered down and the Penegon had been hit.

    Fact - Air Traffic control was fully aware of an in-coming unidetified aircraft rapidily approach Wash D.C.

    Fast - The military was already authorized shoot-to-kill orders.

    Fact - a Heat seeking missile locks onto the exhuast from the engine.

    Fact - the right hand engine (No.2) fell first, hitting the gorund over 7 miles away and BEFORE the impact crater.

    The trajectoy and loaction of debris is consistant with an airliner hit with and air to air missile, rolling out of control and hitting the ground nearly straight down.

    Who covered up all those FACTS ?

  • Too Late
    April 8, 2009 12:20 p.m.

    Whether I believe it was a conspiracy or not doesn't matter now. It has been too many years since it happened. I am afraid that this will just become another conspiracy theory a-la J.F.K. and Pearl Harbor.

  • QRDeNameland
    April 8, 2009 12:19 p.m.

    Jeff R wrote:

    "Some people just cant face reality. No building is designed to take huge airliner with thousands of gallons of highly flammable jet fuel straight into the core."

    Why do 'debunkers' make claims that are so easily countered by readily available facts? The WTC towers were famously designed to withstand jet impacts and fuel fires.

    Don't take my word for it. Here's what John Skilling, head structural engineer of WTC construction said after the 1993 WTC bombing:

    "We looked at every possible thing [...] even to the extent of an airplane hitting the side. Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed, [but] the building structure would still be there."

    (google "Skilling Twin Towers Engineered To Withstand Jet Collision" for source from Seattle Times)

    No one has yet provided any pre-9/11 analysis which challenged this claim, meaning the architect/engineer community considered the claim sound. Yet both towers "collapsed" as catastrophically as possible. If they were so wrong, why do we trust any skyscrapers after 9/11?

    "Face reality", indeed.

  • Mike Zelinski
    April 8, 2009 12:18 p.m.

    Interesting article, thank you Deseret News. Independent news is necessary for an informed public. And thanks to the scientists involved for following where the science lead them.

    This article should convince the American people that we need to encourage more scientists and engineers to investigate the events of 9/11. Free and open inquiry is always the best solution.

    I hope all those who support the official gov't story of 9/11 will demand that NIST publicly release all evidence in order to prove its case. The rest of us should demand the same from NIST.

  • harry
    April 8, 2009 11:48 a.m.

    The 'American People' are responsible for the conspiracy of 911 succeeding.
    They are either too scared to confront the realities or they are happy that the powerful ones are making all those tough decisions for them.

    Most ordinary people have trouble choosing which car to buy (its easy, they are all junk) - fear is the key.

    When a few 'ordinary' types get asked to take part in a cover-up, they love the ego trip it provides and will lie for their country till their dying days.
    If you cant be a poweful person, it feels great to be a supporter, or a fan.

    Humans are liars and fools - the purpose of existence is to get past that and become something better.
    From a lot of the comments here, that isnt happening very often.....

    Of course 911 was a phoney attack - the evidence is overwhelming.

    Oh, and flying a plane precisely into a small target has been possible for over 40 years.

    Dont any of you people read books? I guess not.


  • Larry J
    April 8, 2009 11:46 a.m.

    I don't know what is more amazing; Dr. Jones' conspiracy claims, or, all the people who really believe them. But then a lot of people around here believe in some really crazy things.

  • Sitting-Bull
    April 8, 2009 11:45 a.m.

    @ Jessica:

    What were their motives for saving the dust and turning it over to researchers?

    Many people saved some of the dust of that infamous day, and there is no merit in speculation why they did so. BTW: The samples were sent to Prof. Jones and others after they requested for it in their first papers and interviews. Nothing sinister here. There are even reference samples sent to other scientists as well. Many of them never called back, not because the hypothesis or the experimental results were wrong, but because the issue is still to hot. Kudos for the scientists listed in the study, especially Dr. Niels Harrit, a chemistry professor at the Copenhagen University who had published numerous studies in journals such as the Nano Letters, the Journal of the American Chemical Society and the Journal of Physical Chemistry in the past 30 years, for standig up for truth.

  • Ronnie Bray
    April 8, 2009 11:27 a.m.

    Thank you Professor Jones for adding to the USA's mountain of urban myths another shoddy theory. Did we need it?

    I saw the towers come down. It is impossible for a building to completely collapse 'from the top down' as some believe the towers ought to have done. When you can demonstrate one doing so, then I will come and watch. I do not expect to be summoned.

    The most amusing part - aside from people actually swallowing the Bush-Cheney sabotage plot - is the comments from 'experts' that press their sapiential authority on readers as conclusive evidence that they [and they alone] know what can and cannot happen from a large jetliner striking a multi-storey building.

    My reasons for knowing better than they do are just as off the wall, but here goes:

    1. I have seen a tall building, so I know all about them.

    2. I have been on an aeroplane, so I know all about them too.

    3. I have a friend who is an airline pilot, so I have inside knowledge.

    4. I have flown petroleum-driven miniature aircraft one of which crashed into a tall [by comparison] building, so there!

    Next ...

  • Gretavo
    April 8, 2009 11:22 a.m.

    It's a shame that so many people think that 9/11 skepticism means believing "the government did it". WHOEVER did it was not acting in any way in the interest of the U.S. What is more likely is that corrupt individuals in key positions assisted the other conspirators. Like any normal investigation into the destruction of property, the 9/11 investigation should have considered arson and tested for incendiaries as is prescribed by national fire investigation standards. Had they done this, they would have had to conclude that indeed arson was involved and the next question would have had to be who benefitted. In arson cases it is quite often the insurance beneficiary who is among the leading suspects. People will immediately ask why the insurance companies agreed to the several billion dollar payout in the case of the WTC, and the obvious answer is that by not questioning the official narrative they were justified in increasing insurance premiums across the board and around the world due to the newly heightened fear of terrorism. As in all cases, it is very instructive to FOLLOW THE MONEY!

  • TwoSenseWorth
    April 8, 2009 10:59 a.m.

    Surprisingly, Glenn Beck has recently been criticizing those who believe 9/11 Truth. I believe he even referred to them as "loonies." What he should do is have Steven Jones as a guest on his show. He may become converted.

  • Richard
    April 8, 2009 10:57 a.m.

    There is little doubt that Isreal had a hand in 9/11 for the purpose of drawing the USA into defense of Isreal against her enemies in the middle east, Iran and Iraq. And it worked.

  • Harvey
    April 8, 2009 10:54 a.m.

    Didnt Al-Qaeda claim responsibility for 9/11? How has a war with the US helped them since the attack? The war in Iraq and Afghanistan have not been profitable for the republicans or the government. Sadam Hussan would have had to play his part in denying UN inspections. Bush and Cheney were just months into election and the country & economy were doing fine. Both men were also wealthy enough that they would never have to work a day of their lives whether they won election or not. Wasnt the story of the box cutters reported by the individuals that crashed the plane in PA? The individuals that crashed these planes didnt sound like they were very well equipped; I am sure our government could do better than box cutters. Also, many terrorists take on the same names so the fact that a paper in the UK says that the supposed terrorists are alive doesnt mean much. I do not consider myself repub or demo; I am tired of leadership in DC since 9/11. If elections were today I would not vote for Bush or Obama; they both like big government.

  • come on
    April 8, 2009 10:48 a.m.

    to those of you that don't think that on the other side these guys have a consience...they don't in fact they are promised heaven..etc..etc..and they along with many like minded help in what ever capacity they can ...they even do that in the countries our soldiers are in...and with our open border policy ..the question is ...who and what has got in ..if a third world population in huge amounts of people along with the enormous amounts of dope can come into the country undetected then what else is going to happen...look at the present policy Yapias and his group is always touting..."don't harass us ..we here illegally but most of us are law abiding"...well learn from 911 that it only takes 5-10 non law abiding people to do catastrophe...CLOSE THE BORDERS NOW..I'LL MY OWN BURGER AND FIX MY OWN BED IF THAT IS WHAT IS NEEDED!!

  • international viewpoint
    April 8, 2009 10:46 a.m.

    Dr Jones gives Americans a good name. After years of disastrous, deceptive Bush foreign policy, here is a man who believes truth is worth looking for; who hones in on facts; who sticks to his guns no matter what; who develops science and allows science to lead him forward, leaving the chips to fall where they may (pun intended).
    Other scientists are welcome to put Jones' evidence to the test in any lab in the world. There's plenty more dust available to test, apparently. Critics must put their own team of scientists together and get a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal in order to disprove the Harrit-Jones paper. Until then, I accept what it says: high-grade explosive residue has been found in WTC dust. What does this mean and are Americans bold enough to deal with this? The world is watching America and praying that truth, science, reason and reconciliation triumph.

  • Harvey
    April 8, 2009 10:43 a.m.

    I appreciate the article and the work done by the scientist. Independent research needs to continue and all sides of the story should be reported in the media. For me there are still too many unanswered questions to believe the government conspiracy theory. I am still of the opinion that this was perpetuated by terrorists that may have had more inside help than we know..this inside help could of came just as easy from the mafia than our government. Also, the source of the material that was tested by Jones could have just as easily been planted by those who would like to bring down the government.

  • North European
    April 8, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    Even a young kid could see that the smooth, symmetrical, floor-by-floor destruction of the 174-meter-tall WTC 7 in seconds resulted from the (controlled) use of explosives. As my young niece, in fact, did. Thank you for this fair article.

  • sdemetri
    April 8, 2009 10:32 a.m.

    Jessica, google Patriots Question 9/11. The site contains several hundred prominent and not so prominent people who have questions about the official conspiracy theory about the attacks. There are govt officials, academics, pilots, firefighters who were there, police, hundreds of people from all stations and walks of life who have serious reservations about what we have been told.

    I commend your openmindedness, as well. Patriots Question 9/11 will expand your thinking about the issue.

  • The real k9
    April 8, 2009 10:26 a.m.

    What is wrong with you people? Do you think a buildings just fall down when you crash a plane into them? What about the tons of bombs that were dropped in Germany in world war II on buildings that did not have steel reinforcement? Did they all colapse? No they didn't. But, I don't think it was a government cover up either. What about the possibility that there was a backup plan if the planes didn't work? Could terrorists have been bringing in explosives for months before 9/11? In the form of cars or a multiple of other ways. I thought it was very odd for a building to to fall to the ground from being hit so high up. It doesn't make sense. Is it so hard to believe that something else was going on? Could these terrorists have planned a foolproof way to bring these buildings down? I think it would be very easy to sneak explosives in vans, trucks, Etc. into these buildings. It was open to the public and there could be a thousand ways to bring in explosives many times.

  • Dave
    April 8, 2009 10:17 a.m.

    Thanks for the great reporting, it takes courage to put out something this controversial. I can see plenty of passionate people on here posting various comments about what they think happened. I think we can all agree that there are unanswered questions and I am glad people like Dr. Jones are actively seeking the truth.

  • Sebbel
    April 8, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    Two years ago a recognized a video about WTC7 and I began to do my own research. Its true, all informations are second hand but there are so many high ranking officials, engineers and scientist who claims that it is a cover up story.

    Please watch this film on youtube or wherever you can find it - "How the Towers Fell" (1 of 13)-Architect Richard Gage - . The speaker is a scientist and architect and apparently the head of the initiative "Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth". Over 600 of them have yet signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation.

    Why should they jeoperdize their reputation, if the whole story is a consiracy? Because they know that the official story is not true. They matched all the facts but they dont fit.

    The speaker in this film describes how a theory has to be varified and than delivers all facts that can be seen in the original footage of the networks etc. At least everybody has to rethink the official story and maybe arrive to the same conclusion, these architects came to. Dont believe the media!

  • Gravitational Collapse
    April 8, 2009 9:49 a.m.

    I dont have a lot of patience or interest in conspiracy theories, however, Ive always been particularly troubled by two issues regarding the attacks in New York. If the collapse of the towers was gravitational, how is it possible that multi-ton steel sections were ejected laterally up to 600 feet? Secondly, the remains of approximately 1000 of the WTC victims were never identified. Its reported that thousands of unidentified humans remains were recovered that are less than 3 inches. Is a building collapse powerful enough to reduce the remains of the victims to mere shards? Are these phenomena (i.e., the lateral building ejections and shards of human remains) better explained by the energy available in a gravitational collapse or by some type of explosive event? I dont want to believe that its the latter.

  • Gretavo
    April 8, 2009 9:49 a.m.

    Jessica, I commend you for keeping an open mind, but I would say in response to your conclusion that we should never give up trying to determine the truth about something this importnat. It would be one thing if we had a real national discussion with all viewpoints represented--but we haven't! We have been fighting for years just to get people to open their minds and take these issues seriously. A good place to start learning what we know and don't know is the work of Prof. David ay Griffin. His latest book, The New Pearl Harbor Revisited, is the best, most up-to-date survey of the various issues involved. We cannot sell ourselves short and assume that the truth is unknowable. With enough of us working together to expose just what is known to be false we will create the pressure needed for those with the power to conduct a real investigation to do so. Our country, the world, and especially the victims of 9/11 deserve nothing less.

  • Jeff R
    April 8, 2009 9:35 a.m.

    Some people just cant face reality. No building is designed to take huge airliner with thousands of gallons of highly flammable jet fuel straight into the core. This event never happend before this so we dont know how a building is going to react. Plus the WTC was not designed to take a straight freefall of thousands of tons of concrete and steel on the underlying floors. No building is designed for that. So those who think the government is out to get us needs to sit down and think about their lives. What about the plane that hit the pentagon and the other that crashed in Penn???? The 9/11 conspericy is a joke and is what missinformed people think of first. "Oh it must have been the government"! No, it was jihadist terrorists bent on death and destruction for the US. I have been to Iraq and know how that religion feels about us. Look what happend after 9/11..... Americans banded together and rebuilt our economy and helped eachother. We need that America back, and we need it back soon. We are on a path of self destruction because of this king of thinking.

  • I SEE I AM NOT BLIND
    April 8, 2009 9:33 a.m.

    I have seen this for a long time. When DNews first reported Dr Jones findings a few years ago I was interested. We did some investigation ourselves and studied the structures and how they were built. We saw the massive columns of steel that were placed in the center. These buildings were built to withstand hurricanes and earthquakes. The airplanes look like toothpicks in comparison. The massive core would have taken days to melt with a continuous fire. Airplane fuel could in no way get hot enough regardless of what the news tells us to melt those structures. We have a plasma cutter in our machine shop that cuts through 1/2 inch plate with a white intense flame with great force. We consider it a miracle. It would be a miracle for those planes to have brought those buildings down. DIDN'T HAPPEN COULDN'T HAPPEN!

  • Gravitational Collapse
    April 8, 2009 9:32 a.m.

    I dont have a lot of patience or interest in conspiracy theories, however, Ive always been particularly troubled by two issues regarding the attacks in New York. If the collapse of the towers was gravitational, how is it possible that multi-ton steel sections were ejected laterally up to 600 feet? Secondly, the remains of approximately 1000 of the WTC victims were never identified. Its reported that thousands of unidentified humans remains were recovered that are less than 3 inches. Is a building collapse powerful enough to reduce the remains of the victims to mere shards? Are these phenomena (i.e., the lateral building ejections and shards of human remains) better explained by the energy available in a gravitational collapse or by some type of explosive event? I dont want to believe that its the latter.

  • sdemetri
    April 8, 2009 9:26 a.m.

    Good to see so many positive comments. The peer reviewed article is yet more proof the official conspiracy theory is full of holes and indefensible.

  • brisa
    April 8, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    One either has to believe in the laws of physics relative to conservation of momentum or trust that the official narrative of the 911 atrocity is true. They are mutually exclusive.

    Objects or buildings that fall at a free-fall rate fall with no resistance. Discounting air resistance, this is the case with WTC1, 2 and especially building 7. The actual rate of the collapse of these three structures as corroborated by unspinnable video evidence, exposes the fallacious nature of the official explanation. A free-fall rate of collapse is only possible if all structural integrity is eliminated just ahead of the collapse wave. This set of parameters can only be accounted for by the controlled demolition of these buildings.

    Every American has to decide whether to trust this government and corporate controlled news media or whether to apply some critical thinking skills in the evaluation of widely disseminated information concerning the 911 atrocity. Since my government has a long history of protecting me from the truth for my own good, I'll stick with Newton and Galileo.

  • Jessica
    April 8, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    I am honestly unsure of what to think. Here are some random thoughts.

    1. A good possibility is not that there was a government conspiracy but that, since so many high-ranking officials wanted war, the government had no incentive to look for and prevent attacks.

    2. I don't trust the sources for the WTC dust samples. Who are these people? Did they have access to thermite? What were their motives for saving the dust and turning it over to researchers?

    3. Realistically, everything we know about the 911 attacks comes from the media,which probably got their information from the government. Given the way the government lied about the Iraq War, there is no reason to believe it told the truth about 911.

    4. All the sources for information are therefore suspect and we must conclud that we simply don't know.

    Jessica

  • This demands a new investigation
    April 8, 2009 9:13 a.m.

    This published and peer researched paper by Dr. Jones et al clearly demonstrates the need for a new investigation of the crimes committed on 9/11.

    The writer of this article is to be commended for putting it out, and the editors for supporting its publication.

  • InformedDissent
    April 8, 2009 8:32 a.m.

    "Don't believe it" said:

    >Mormon's are viewed as crazy enough already and when >a man is put in the national spotlight for accusing >his own government of killing 3000 people you can >see why they would want to distance themselves.

    Knock the guy's religion all you want, it doesn't prove his research is invalid. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. You act like it's impossible for the US Government to have done something like this. For starters, Google up the declassified info on the Pearl Harbor attack. Read how they knew about the attack days in advance and intentionally did not warn people, sacrificing thousands to furnish an excuse to get into the war with Germany via Japan. (sound familiar?) You have your head in the sand if you think the US Government has ANY problem killing its own people to start a good war for profit.

  • Prufrock
    April 8, 2009 8:17 a.m.

    I guess it's a little like discovering your parents actually did "THAT" in order to affect your existence.

    These commenters i.e. Bogus Claims, Poor "truthers", Please,truthers, Bystander, Before you accuse BYU, Vin Deesul etc. need to start serving their country instead of serving the vestigial Bush Cheney criminal legacy.

    9/11 was probably an inside job.


    Learn the facts.
    Find someone who's turning.
    And you will come around.

  • Jack
    April 8, 2009 8:06 a.m.

    "Well it's a good thing that the dust samples came from a trusted, reputable source - some dude on the Brooklyn Bridge. Seems like a conspiracy within the search for a conspiracy."

    - disinformation

    read the paper - there were 4 separate sources for samples.

  • Richard
    April 8, 2009 8:04 a.m.

    Those who support Jones and his co-authors merely ask for a real investigation. Most of those who oppose Jones resort to personal attacks without even commenting on the substantive issues. They are trying to intimidate people into silence.

    We must address this issue: questioning 9/11 is often smeared a anti-Semitic. Why should questioning my own government have anything to do with Judaism? If Israel was involved, that fact would damn a few political and military leaders who happen to be part of the Israeli government. Such a fact would say nothing about Israelis outside the government, and certainly nothing about the Jewish people.

  • Dr. Steven Jones
    April 8, 2009 7:53 a.m.

    Many excellent comments.

    I see that many are actually starting to read the peer-reviewed paper in the Open Chemical Physics Journal. That is what will convince people, I believe -- hard, physical evidence such as we have brought forth.

    Suggest the doubters/mockers look at Fig. 29 in particular. When you understand that, you will see that we have explosive evidence!


  • Getting Closer
    April 8, 2009 7:43 a.m.

    If/when it is proven that 911 was an inside job (and we are getting closer to absolute definitive proof every day), this will represent the most significant case of treason in the history of the United States. For this reason alone, we can be sure the perpetrators will do everything within their powers to stop the forward movement of the 911 truth movement. We need to be prepared for everything.

  • OutofDaBox
    April 8, 2009 6:53 a.m.

    Doesn't matter if the towers were blown up or not. The leader of our military failed to protect our country from an "attack". Bush and Cheney should both have been fired that day for failure to perform their must fundamental duty of being guardians of our country. We have the world's best air force, the best electronic monitoring equipment, etc. For the idiots in charge of our security to not have used the world's best technology to have prevented this "attack" is totally inexcusable and I for one would support any congress critter that puts forth a bill stating that in the event of a failure of this magnitude, the first thing that happens is the Commander in Chief gets relieved of his post. If I were in the military (and I was once) I would not follow a single order given by such a proven failed leader.

  • Plaintiff
    April 8, 2009 6:40 a.m.

    This scientific paper creates enormous exposure for individuals involved in the plot. They over insured and then profited from the collapse. Finding relief via civil litigation may be an option.

  • Only Two Ways
    April 8, 2009 6:27 a.m.

    There are two, and ONLY two, ways that the twin towers did not "fall over" when they collapsed.

    One: They were demolished by a team of experts so good that they can make 110 stories fall into a few acres of ground.

    Two: They were caused to collapse in their own footprint by a provident God who wanted to minimize the damage to innocent people from a despicable act.

    Take your pick, you can't believe both.

  • Peer Review
    April 8, 2009 5:42 a.m.

    As reported, this article by Dr. Steven Jones was published in a PEER REVIEW JOURNAL. If anyone knows anything about science, peer review is when the article meticulously reviewed by other scientific professionals. I have had a physics professor tell me, in the past, that Dr. Jones' theories are not true because he was unable to get his previous claims published in peer review journals. Well now he has done that and thus many other "professionals" have said that it is a worthy article.
    That being said, as reported, Dr. Jones hasn't determined the source of the explosive materials and he or others may never be able to find the source. However, it does bring up many questions that NEED to be answered by our government. Now it really looks like FEMA has covered up at least one truth and who knows how many others!!!! WE should DEMAND answers from our government instead of being complacent and letting the government do whatever they please with innocent lives. Plus, how many soldiers have we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan to try to defend against this so called terrorism? It's sickening!!!!!

  • Name-O
    April 8, 2009 5:28 a.m.

    Dr Jones & co and Deseret:
    Great job, we're behind you all the way ...

    Dont worry what the shills n sheeple type !

  • Reputable Source
    April 8, 2009 5:19 a.m.

    Well it's a good thing that the dust samples came from a trusted, reputable source - some dude on the Brooklyn Bridge. Seems like a conspiracy within the search for a conspiracy.

  • Dominic
    April 8, 2009 5:16 a.m.

    This must be known to every human being on this planet.
    Email everyone and let them know about this article.
    The "critics", or should I say "people who shout and deny without looking at anything" can obviously do nothing other than make low-intelligence personal attacks. If Steven Jones and his crew didn't do what they do, they would be concidered cowards, like the people attacking and trying to silence them.
    If you have the power to stand up, you have the responsibility. And since they are specialists in the scientific area, they have the responsibility.
    And WE, that is YOU and I have the responsibility to look for ourselves. At least at the aspects our intellect and education can comprehend.
    And there are plenty of those. I will be looking forward to a peer-reviewed response, IF one will ever appear...
    Still waiting for peer-reviewed responses for the "14 points of agreement" and "Environmental Anomalies" papers...
    The idiotic personal attacks seems like a desperate attempt to discredit even the scientific peer-review process...
    Come on guys... Don't you want to know the truth?
    The truth fears no questions !

  • Sitting-Bull
    April 8, 2009 5:01 a.m.

    @ Mark

    could the terrorists on the planes have been carrying any explosives with them?


    No, one can estimate the amount of superthermite that was required to archieve the amount of also found iron-rich microspherules, otherwise than superthermite reactions only found at locations with massive steel melting or volcano eruptions. You need tons of this stuff. The consistent findings in all the specimens suggest it was the destruction of the towers and no other source. Besides that it is the nano-sol-gel structure of the red-grey chips, that implies a high-tech level of manufacturing simple terrorists could not archieve. How could it be placed? I don't know- but to claim it is impossible and therefore to reject the evidence is not a scientific method. Maybe it was indeed covered as paint in the renewal during the late 90'ties.
    Follow the research Jim Hoffman on this topic.

  • jeffie
    April 8, 2009 3:14 a.m.

    Calling this a "conspiracy theory" is just an intellectual cop-out. Only a Cointelpro officer or a genuine moron would call this a "conspiracy theory". Thanks Desert News. If I was in the states I'd support the people that report this stuff.

  • Adam Weishaupt
    April 8, 2009 3:05 a.m.

    WTC 7 WAS IMPLODED or American building construction is very SUSPECT.As towers collapsed in near free fall time TONS OF MATERIAL INCLUDING CONCRETE WAS PULVERISED TO POWDER.TRY IT SOMETIME.
    YOU ALSO CANNOT REFUTE PROVEN LAWS OF FALLING BODIES-- SIR ISAAC NEWTON & GALILEO.
    Wake up from your slumber & use your common sense.
    CAVEAT REDEMPTOR

  • Anonymous
    April 8, 2009 1:09 a.m.

    For those who disagree with what Dr. Jones published, here is what you need to do;

    1- Read his paper (and other related work) very carefully.
    2- Right down where you think he made mistakes.
    3- Go the lab and conduct experiments to prove that he made these mistakes.
    4- Write a scientific paper showing your results and submit it for publication.

    This is how it works. I am sure that the Dr. Jones will appreciate your efforts and he will be glad to hear from you.

    Be objective in your judgment and avoiding being subjective.

  • Thank You Dr. Jones
    April 8, 2009 12:37 a.m.

    Thank you Dr. Jones. There are many who can not see beyond what they see on TV and hear on the radio. There is so much evidence it is sickening. The right crisis is always created. There is a great video on youtube called the Obama Deception. People can believe there is no conspiracy all they want. It does not change history and history always sadly repeats itself, because we say it could never happen here.

  • Wow
    April 7, 2009 11:51 p.m.


    To: Says Who?:

    If the paper by Jones et al is correct--and you have done nothing to demonstrate it isn't--this calls into question our government's account of what happened, and may answer the question of why they have repeatedly failed to test for incendiaries in the 911-WTC debris.

    I am speaking in the subjunctive (and conditional). But I repeat, if the paper by Jones et al is correct, we have incendiaries and/or explosives in the debris.

    Does this not disturb you?

    I would like to know the truth. Why not favor a new INDEPENDENT investigation (or better, several INDEPENDENT investigations)? I would like to know what happened, and who did it.

  • Says Who?
    April 7, 2009 11:23 p.m.

    Wow | 5:49 p.m. April 7, 2009
    This is Responsible reporting. Not printing this article puts us at greater risk for continuation of dishonestly started wars in the Middle East.

    It appears that approximately a million people have been killed by us in Iraq alone. It should be known if this is being done for a "justifiable" reason or not. Further, for the sake of national security, we need to know if our government has been honest about 911 and the recent wars in the Middle East.

    Do you really want a (U.S.) government that might be willing to enable a "911" in our own country?"

    No, I do not want a government capable of committing a "9-11" in our country, but then again, WHO SAYS WE'VE GOT ONE?????????????

  • MG
    April 7, 2009 11:11 p.m.

    9/11 Truth

  • I believe
    April 7, 2009 10:59 p.m.

    I believe that they should look into the design of those three buildings to find out what made two of them explode and disintegrate and the three of them fall straight down. If Doctor Jones is wrong then a lot of lives and mess could be saved during earthquakes.

  • sewalkie
    April 7, 2009 9:25 p.m.

    Steven Jones is an American Hero. He and his team have gone through a very tough and thorough process to get this evidence presented in and peer reviewed. Keep the faith and the truth will prevail.

  • dave
    April 7, 2009 9:17 p.m.

    Superb work, Prof. Jones!
    The conclusion is irrefutable - unreacted explosives
    are found in the dust of the WTC. There is no other
    explanation other than the towers were brought down
    by explosive demolition (after all).

    The "debunkers" have nothing to offer - except to
    deny. Unless they can publish a peer-reviewed
    account refuting the nano-thermite, the 9/11 Truth
    movement has won the debate.

    Press for a new investigation, insist on subpoena
    powers, find the suspects, have them questioned assemble a grand jury, and begin prosecuting.

    This WILL happen. It is only a matter of time now.

  • kameelyun
    April 7, 2009 8:37 p.m.

    Thank you so much Dr. Jones and crew for this breakthrough moment in 9/11 research. The anti-truthers are indeed showing their desperation now.

    "Absolutely Shameful": Rather than cancel your subscription tomorrow, I suggest you renew it. In the past, mainstream media outlets have almost always ridiculed 9/11 truth, and in doing so has always resorted to insults, ad hominem arguments and straw man fallacies. In other words, a fair look at both sides is what all the OTHER papers are guilty of, not Desert News. The simple fact is, residue of high grade explosive material has been found here, and frankly, there is no opposing view to that. The "opposing view" you wish the article had presented would have essentially been the equivalent of "I'm Dr. Smith and I disagree with Dr. Williams. I boldly assert that 2 + 2 = 5." Because that's what we're talking about here.

    For those new to this topic, I suggest you google the following [fill in the blank]'s for 9/11 truth: Architects & Engineers, Pilots, Veterans, Political Leaders, Medical Professionals. Finally watch the new film "Core of Corruption" (on google) for the best compilation of evidence yet.

  • zica
    April 7, 2009 8:28 p.m.

    Thanks to DesNews.

    Where are the scientific published criticisms of the last 3 published papers on which Dr. Jones has been an author?

    So far, the criticism of this paper has consisted of rude comments from childish folks who are upset at anyone questioning authority.

    To those folks: The only way you'll feel any better is to take an honest look at the topic and become part of the discovery of the facts.

  • Dean Jackson
    April 7, 2009 8:23 p.m.

    For those of you who believe the government's account of what transpired on 9/11, ask yourself this revealing question: Where are the media interviews with Boston Logan, Newark and Dulles airport employees where those employees describe their impressions of the 19 hijackers?

    The answer to that question is that there were no such media interviews, because the 19 hijackers weren't at those airports.

    Now maybe you can understand why the 9/11 Truth Movement exists.

  • Delena
    April 7, 2009 7:56 p.m.

    Thank you for publishing this extremely important work that Dr Jones is doing. The vitriolic reactions by Truth deniers are understandable. No-one likes being lied to and worse realising that they have fallen for the lie. They remind me of the crowd watching the naked Emperor in the fabled tale, who vilify the young boy who dares to speak the truth. It makes them confront their own foolishness.
    The facts are there for all to see if you wish to look.


  • Joe Sixpack
    April 7, 2009 7:42 p.m.

    Thanks for the fair handed reporting on the excellent paper by professor Jones, et al.

    Ive noticed that many of the people speaking negatively about the these scientists, or the journal they chose to publish their work, etc have not actually addressed any of the points made in the paper.

    Personal attacks do not a good argument make.

  • tanabear
    April 7, 2009 7:37 p.m.

    I wonder how many people here attacking the 9/11 Truth Movement actually know what the official explanation is for the destruction of WTC1,2? If they did know they would probably stop believing in it, because most people don't want to admit they believe something so stupid.

    None of comments here have addressed the findings of the paper. All the arguments have merely been moral outrage and personal incredulity. This appears to be the only "evidence" the believers in the official conspiracy theory have.

  • Wow
    April 7, 2009 7:28 p.m.

    I have already begun talking favorably about Deseret News for printing this. I have emailed friends about this news article, and in each email I mentioned Deseret News in a favorable context.

    News should not be about telling everyone only what they wish to hear. It should also contain truth.

    People continue to criticize without addressing the scientific paper specifically.

    Specific criticisms of the scientific paper have been responded to very cogently by Professor Jones on other blogs. Thanks to Professor Jones for doing so.

  • Aroditis
    April 7, 2009 7:27 p.m.

    heh... I see the nutjob deniers are really busy on this site. They DENY that its an inside job. When evidence suggests other... They DENY prior explosions when evidence suggests other... One person above called them shills... a more apt term might be 'shrills', as they yell and scream 'Don't look folks!!" Prof. Jones, in my opinion does follow any one line of reasoning as to 'who did it'. He distanced himself from that several years ago when it became clear that certain persons were out for personal gain. He now persues a strict point of 'what was there and why' research, and I applaud him for it.

    May the 'chips' fall where they will... (/sarcasm)

    Arod

  • Erik @ Sydney
    April 7, 2009 7:21 p.m.

    Finally Scientific research that has backed up eye witness reports of a designed demolition of the towers. There no room left for the deniers. Cold hard scientific research proves it now.

    Anyone who denies the science must be suffering cognitive dissonance.

    Congratulations to Desert News for reporting this ground breaking information.

  • Dany
    April 7, 2009 7:18 p.m.

    In regard to all of the derogatory comments made here about those who believe this is a cover up, it really begs the question... "If this is all such obvious lunacy, why are you spending your time reviewing it?".

    To those of you who are part of the cover up, remember this beautiful and apt quote "There is no pillow so soft, as a clean conscience". Maybe you should try it some time.

  • Anonymous
    April 7, 2009 7:15 p.m.

    Its about time people research themselves what is not reported to you be main stream media.

    Its about time people started to wake up.

    For goodness sake - a number of the so called terrorists who supposed to have been in the planes, are alive and well ---- reported by the BBC and other sources, google it yourslves

  • TWA 800
    April 7, 2009 7:14 p.m.

    Nah, our government never lies or covers up the truth.

    Remember that Boeing 747 that just "blew-up" in mid-air?

    Remember the animated video the media showed over and over again to all the sheeple to explain the fire streaking upward seen by huundreds of eyewitnesses [including other pilots] was the doomed plane lurching upward as a result of lost weight in the front?

    The laws of THIS universe don't work like that. Longitutinal Stablity. The wings would have folded instantly with that nose off, weight gone, and hundreds of thousands of tons of instant asymmetrical aerodynamic drag.

    BTW, most people have long since forgetten that the "Video" was produced by the CIA., and NOT the NTSB nor the FBI. Go back and look at the credits. The CIA - our governement's Masters of cloak & dagger.

    And at the time of 9/11 George Stephanopoulos commented on ABC during the live broadcast "..and my time at the White House was used in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing. In the aftermath of the TWA Flight 800 bombing..." - oops, gaff!!!~

  • Magnus
    April 7, 2009 7:08 p.m.

    excellent work!
    the people have to awake, and stop believing propaganda

  • Absolutely shameful
    April 7, 2009 6:59 p.m.

    I cannot believe this.

    The Deseret News - a once respectable institution - publishes the ravings of this crackpot without even BOTHERING to get an opposing view? No attempt to point out how absolutely insane all of this nonsense is?

    I'm canceling my subscription tomorrow. I had subscribed to the paper version more to support the Deseret News than to read it - I still read it mostly online. But I absolutely cannot support an institution that puts out such bilge any longer.

  • Gretavo
    April 7, 2009 6:55 p.m.

    We who question are routinely told that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence all the while being told not to question the extraordinary events of 9/11the unprecedented explosive disintegration of three steel framed high rise buildings even though there is lacking in the official explanations any credible evidence for this being a chance result of two plane imapcts, let alone *extraordinary* evidence of this. Indeed, the NIST admits that it did not conduct a single test on the debris from the world trade center for traces of explosives or incendiaries like thermite even though these are prescribed in fire investigation manuals as essential to rule out arson. Why on earth not?

  • Gretavo
    April 7, 2009 6:51 p.m.

    Excellent work by Dr. Jones et al. See also the over 600 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth at ae911truth.org.

  • DSimmons
    April 7, 2009 6:45 p.m.

    It never ceases to amaze and distress me that so many seemingly intelligent people just close their minds to any thoughts that 9/11 did not happen the way our government has told us it happened. I am a physician married to an engineer and we both applaud the work of Dr. Jones along with David Ray Griffin and others who have looked into these events much more than our own government did. I firmly do not agree with what we have been told and deperately hope for the day when a truly investigative committee will be formed. I also am greatly saddened by those people who seek to demonize Dr. Jones and other so-called "truthers". I am a "truther" and proud of it and I am not a part of any fringe lunatic group.

  • John Bursill
    April 7, 2009 6:42 p.m.

    The people here that continue to attack the 9/11 Truth Movement should "get a life" and let them get there investigation.

    I often wonder what it is that motivates these "name callers and deniers" to be so rude about the simple scientific endeavours of truth seekers? There is no doubt that the official effort has been pathetic as even the people doing the work are speaking out about how poor it has been.

    Please you de-bunker's get out of our way and shut....... up unless you want to debate the science or you are simple delaying your own misery.

    We are and will not be going away until we are imprisoned(that's what you would like) or recieve a criminal investigation, either way you are wasting your time. You show your complete stupidity by imaging that we will give up just as you think buildings turn to dust at free fall....lol...pathetic indeed. We are a little different to you....hello!

    Congratulations to the Journal of 9/11 Studies and with 100+ papers now and they are on their way to uncovering this mystery and actually putting the terrorists in gaol.

    Regards John Bursill

  • Cincy911 Truth
    April 7, 2009 6:33 p.m.

    Bogus Claims, you have no idea what you are talking about. Many, many first responders, survivors and other eyewitnesses all reported hearing and seeing explosions coming from all three WTC buildings (1, 2 and 7). Molten metal was found in the basement of all three buildings. All three buildings fell at near freefall speed therefore violating the physics Law of Conservation of Linear Momentum. Even NIST has admitted that WTC 7 fell at freefall speed for two seconds. Explain that one! All buildings collapsing completely downward symmetrically into the path of most resistance. Your comment of "too many people would have to be involved" doesn't address the traces of thermite or any of the above mentioned issues. You must explain those and not make up your own reasons based on ignorance! Check out Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth at www.AE911Truth(dot)org. Try something new and use your brain!!! LOL

  • Explosions before the collapse
    April 7, 2009 6:26 p.m.

    The New York Times, Sept. 12, 2001, p. A7
    "A Creeping Horror and Panicked Flight as Towers Burn, Then Slowly Fall, p. A7 (continued from p. A1)"
    by N.R. Kleinfield

    Police officers warned people in the vicinity to move north, that the buildings could fall, but most people found that unthinkable. They stayed put or gravitated closer.

    Abruptly, there was an ear-splitting noise. The south tower shook, seemed to list in one direction and them (sic) began to come down, imploding upon itself.

    "It looked like a demolition," said Andy Pollock.

    "It started exploding," said Ross Milanytch, 57, who works at nearby Chase Manhattan Bank. "It was about the 70th floor. And each second another floor exploded out for about eight floors, before the cloud obscured it all."
    ***

  • Stupid Is As...
    April 7, 2009 6:20 p.m.

    "Are you surprised? | 8:36 a.m. April 7, 2009
    Would it really surprise you if Chenney and Bush did blow the towers to start another war for profit? The only companies that are not tanking right now are the war mongers. The evidence will keep coming out and hopefully we will watch Bush get the chair for treason...man that would leave me smiling for a decade."

    There's no other way to say this....

    you're an absolute idiot.

  • RANDKILLER
    April 7, 2009 6:20 p.m.

    professor steven jones is an american hero the caliber of george washington

    bulletproof----the final smoking gun

    911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB

    ------

  • redbird98
    April 7, 2009 6:13 p.m.

    Google: "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth"

  • Spencer W. Morgan
    April 7, 2009 5:59 p.m.

    This evidence has been available for almost 2 years. What took so long Deseret News?

  • B. Roy 7
    April 7, 2009 5:56 p.m.

    To the "bogus claims" and "poor truthers" gents who just claimed researching historical events like Sept. 11th is some Aryan Christian plot.

    This so-called "socialist" from the "People's Republic of Portland, OR" wishes you guys would pick a side of the political spectrum to obtain your insults from and stick with it.

    While Bush was still President, you guys called those who still want the criminal investigation into the events of Sept. 11th that has yet to happen socialists, communists, Stalinists, etc.

    How come Obama gets elected and suddenly we're Aryan white supremacists? I can't tell you how shocked the African-American members of my family are going to be to find that out.

  • Smiddy
    April 7, 2009 5:50 p.m.

    I see the shills are getting frantic...

  • Anonymous
    April 7, 2009 5:49 p.m.

    With all due respect (which is none), Dr. Jones, you are a few donuts short of a dozen!

  • Wow
    April 7, 2009 5:49 p.m.

    This is Responsible reporting. Not printing this article puts us at greater risk for continuation of dishonestly started wars in the Middle East.

    It appears that approximately a million people have been killed by us in Iraq alone. It should be known if this is being done for a "justifiable" reason or not. Further, for the sake of national security, we need to know if our government has been honest about 911 and the recent wars in the Middle East.

    Do you really want a (U.S.) government that might be willing to enable a "911" in our own country?

  • adele
    April 7, 2009 5:42 p.m.

    It's quite interesting to read these comments I find the ad hominem attacks juvenile and distasteful. If one disagrees discredit the paper/conclusions. Makes one wonder why the rabid attacks? In who's interest is it to discredit the authors? Interesting.

  • Fighting for truth
    April 7, 2009 5:39 p.m.

    The towers had become financial albatross's because they weren't built to accommodate today's technology, tenancy was dwindling, as was tourism and it was going to cost billions to remove the asbestos from both buildings. Heck, the NY Port Authority tried three times to get a permit to demolish them, but was denied each time. The lease was sold to a private buyer (Larry Silverstein) six months before 9/11, who then took out insurance against terrorist attack. The planes were the cover for their demolition. Billions were saved in asbestos removal costs and Silverstein walked away with over $7 billion in insurance money. Building 7 was also imploded since it housed the financial records of thousands of investigative case files involving fraud, extortion, racketeering, money-laundering, etc. between the big banks, Wall Street and Washington, DC. The financial meltdown we're now seeing is part of what 9/11 was to cover up. Also, 50+ Accountants and Auditors were killed at the Pentagon who were investigating $2.3 trillion in missing Pentagon money what a coincidence. The whole thing was about money and a quest for power and control by the military-industrial complex.

  • gallenk
    April 7, 2009 5:33 p.m.

    Kudos to Deseret News for their fair treatment of this important story.

    I had been previously told that your news service was excellent ... I am now seeing it 1st hand.

    I will definitely bookmark this site.

    Congrats

  • Aidan M.
    April 7, 2009 5:29 p.m.

    For skeptics of the paper and the evidence described within it:

    Why was such high-tech destructive material at the WTC on 9/11 in such large quantities?

    What other office building materials (in apparently large quantities) containing nano-meter sized grains comprised of iron oxide finely mixed with aluminum, would generate more energy release than the theoretical maximum of thermite and also iron-rich spheres, when reduced to the size of the discovered chips?

    The nano-energetic explosive materials found in the dust are comparable to a DNA profile given that these materials were only being researched and developed by so few.

  • Chris
    April 7, 2009 5:24 p.m.

    Vin Diesel,(cute name), do yourself a favor and Google Dov Zakheim,9/11. the pilots didnt do anything. You really are way too gullible. Google-"SPC,flight termination system,Dov Zakheim".

  • Chris
    April 7, 2009 5:21 p.m.

    Want to know of some of the people involved in 9/11? Google these people/phrases-"Dov Zakheim,9/11" and "Dominic Suter,Urban MOving Systems,9/11", also Google-"Cheney,wargames,9/11". Steven Jones is a true patriot and the people attacking him and 9/11 activists in general are typically naive tools who cant think for themselves and they are usually american exceptionalists. And to Jerry, the name Dov Zakheim might mean something to you in regards to why the accounting section, the newly reinforced section of the Pentagon was hit. Google-"missing 2.3 trillion Pentagon money".

  • Steven Jones
    April 7, 2009 5:14 p.m.

    First, I wish to thank Elaine Jarvik for writing a fair and informative article. I would have liked to see a link to the scientific paper itself, and of course, I hope that readers of the DesNews article will read the scientific paper itself.

    You can find it by googling "bentham science nanothermite farrer".

    Note that Dr. Farrer, the second author, runs the electron microscopy laboratory in the BYU Physics Dept and is an excellent teacher, but he is not a professor, not yet anyway.

    I just received an email from a Professor at BYU, which I will share:
    "Steven:
    I just finished the "Active Thermitic Material" journal article.
    Compelling. Data was clear, methodology explained, graphs
    were helpful,and photography was amazing. Your team did
    a phenomenal job. Nice enhancements since I first
    heard this material at UVU. Your arguments are strong
    and well supported.

    What next?"

    What next, indeed... We need now to determine WHO made this nano-thermite material, who had the know-how at the time. Several labs had this ability in 2001 (see the paper)... Our investigation continues....

  • to: Conspiracy Here or There?
    April 7, 2009 5:10 p.m.

    i suppose it would not be a normal day at the blogs without someone bashing the lds, but that is not the only reason i am posting. i was 13 when i saw those towers fall and even then was a tad bit suspicious and since then have seen and read many of these so-called conspiracy theories. let me tell what these show. they show a logic of how it is possible and propably likeley that the towers were not brought down by the airplanes, but i fail to see how it is all irrefutable evidence. furthermore, there are other possibilties for a cover-up. what makes you think it was bush? i for one think it was more likely the democrats. who did profit from 9/11? the republicans have been bashed for it since it happened. is it a coincidence that it didn't happen until bush was in office? no. if i were bush and were going to do this, i'd do it while clinton was in office and take advantage of the situation, like obama did with the economy.(also engineered by the democrats

  • Wow
    April 7, 2009 5:09 p.m.

    Congrats to "interesting." It's nice when someone reads the paper before commenting. Thank you for doing so.

    Hopefully the new article opens more peoples' minds to the possibility that the Government hasn't been on the up and up about 911. The 911 events fit suspiciously well with what the PNAC considered necessary to accelerate/catalyze their entry into the "multiple simultaneous wars" they desired to engage in in the Middle East.

    Dick Cheney was chairman of the PNAC.

  • Jeff
    April 7, 2009 5:05 p.m.

    Maybe some people don't understand that it's not a theory anymore that nano-thermite material (which is very sophisticated stuff) was in the building, its a fact. The paper was reviewed by credentialed scientists and vetted for accuracy. They are showing their "evidence" not their theories. Stop being so naive like the US gov would never do something like this. They sent 50,000 Americans to die in Vietnam plus another couple thousand in the wars following without ever losing a minute of sleep. Inside Job plain and simple. Game Over.

  • Dean Jackson
    April 7, 2009 4:58 p.m.

    Bogus Claims says, "There are no eyewitness accounts of explosive sounds immediately preceding the collapses, despite thousands of eyewitnesses in close proximity to the site. If you watch the video footage, the collapse doesn't start below the entry wound, but right at it."

    If you go to YouTube you can watch the actual NBC, MSNBC and USA Today reports where the reporters are talking about other bombs going off in the towers before the towers collapse. NBC reports that it was given this information by the NYCFD Chief of Safety!

    USA Today's Jack Kelley reports that the FBI told him that they believe bombs were in the towers. You can watch Jack Kelley's report on the morning of 9/11 on YouTube.

    Of course the towers' collapse started where the aircraft impacted them!

    It would have taken days for jet fuel fire to bring down the towers, considering their massive heat sinks. The actual structural damage was not critical. The towers were built so they could withstand worse structural damage.

  • truthseeds - Brandon
    April 7, 2009 4:55 p.m.

    Thank you DesNews and thanks Dr. Jones and the others for their tireless research and efforts in this important cause. The Gadiantons certainly are running a-muck and the events of 911 served as a catalyst. I encourage everyone to be objective and research the matter. That's what I did two years ago after being subjective to the 'official' conspiracy, and I have continued my research diligently. I've worked in the building industry for 17 years, first constructing, and in architecture for the latter 15 years. I bought the lies and lived in denial, although it just didn't add up. How do 3 buildings implode into their own footprints due to fires from jet-fuel, at the speed of gravity, leaving molten metal in the basements for weeks ignoring the laws of physics? They don't. It's never happened to a steel-framed building before or since. Wake Up! Google: Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth (AE911TRUTH), Journal of 911 studies, Patriots Question 911, Zero. Note how all the 'debunkers' have no good arguments and only create strawmen and use ad hominem attacks. We must think for ourselves and save our Republic!

  • Buface
    April 7, 2009 4:54 p.m.

    Did someone say Gadiantons? Oh yeah those guys who through fraud, seduction and murder gained contol over an ancient American govt', then used thier power to murder and get gain? That couldnt possibly be happening again could it? Our government has never lied to us why shouldnt we believe that 19 twits with box cutters did all this damage? The same government that is now stealing trillions of dollars and lying to us about it? They would never kill Americans to get gain would they? Nah.....

  • Vin Deesul
    April 7, 2009 4:49 p.m.

    Have any of you whacko conspiracy theorists ever actually FLOWN in an airplane?????

    In order for this conspiracy to have worked, the pilots of these planes would have had to target a specific floor (what? about 10 feet tall?) and hit it with such precision so that the alleged detonations of pre-placed explosives would discharge at precisely the location of the plane's impact, and then all the other explosions would have had to occur in perfect synchronization all the way down in order to give the illusion that the top floors were merely crumbling on the lower ones.

    As for the witnesses hearing "explosions", have you ever heard something like a huge chunk of concrete dropped down an elevator shaft? When the towers were coming down, I'm sure there were a LOT of VERY LOUD noises that sounded like bombs exploding.

    You people are absolutely off your rockers! To preserve what is left of the good name of BYU, administrators did the right thing to get rid of this wacked out freakazoid masquerading as a professor!

  • ROBinDALLAS
    April 7, 2009 4:47 p.m.

    Thanks to Deseret News for the fair treatment of this important story.

    And howdy to all the shills and sheeple over by the KoolAid Stand.

  • StraitArrow
    April 7, 2009 4:42 p.m.

    Thanks for the fair reporting of this significant scientific paper.
    I have read the paper, I have a PhD in physics also, and I find that it presents compelling results for the presence of explosive material in abundance in the World Trade Center.

    Frankly, I am appalled by those here who criticize the paper without even reading it!

    Prof. Niels Harrit is the FIRST author and Dr. Jeffrey Farrer of the BYU Physics Dept. is the SECOND author... Aren't you curious who the other authors are?

    Google on Harrit Bentham Science and you can find out and read the paper. Get informed FIRST then see what you say!

    Again, I have done this and find the science to be very well done. Kudos to the authors for this in-depth study of the WTC dust and for having the courage to report what they found.

  • Dont believe it
    April 7, 2009 4:34 p.m.

    You cannot blame BYU for firing this guy. it's a PR move. Mormon's are viewed as crazy enough already and when a man is put in the national spotlight for accusing his own government of killing 3000 people you can see why they would want to distance themselves. i've seen a lot of professors in the news getting fired or "retiring" when they get negative attention about something. Even if they believed him they still wouldn't want him there

  • irresponsible reporting
    April 7, 2009 4:34 p.m.

    I can't believe the D. News would publish this and not interview a single expert for an opposing view. Far right wing and far left wing cultish people believe this junk science and I think it puts us at risk for Timothy Mcveigh like violence. It's irresponsible to only report one side of almost any issue, especially one as sensitive as this with such outrageous, politically preposterous claims. The politics and science simply don't add up.

  • Concerned Citizen
    April 7, 2009 4:31 p.m.

    Supporters of the official 911 conspiracy theory will not convert or stop the 911 Truthers with their current approach. Their only hope to make any headway is to present what they regard as the definitive proof that the official 911 conspiracy theory is true. Once this is done, then they will be on solid ground and in a position to convert people to their position.

  • interesting
    April 7, 2009 4:04 p.m.

    according to the paper, the "red-gray" chips contain nano-engineered aluminum and iron, and produce iron microspheres at 430 C when heated in a DSC; iron melts at 1400 C, so this indicates an intense, heat-producing chemical reaction was occurring. Some have claimed, without evidence, that these chips are "paint"; no ordinary paint has iron, or produces a reaction like this. In addition, according to Sec. 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, the towers came down "essentially in free fall" and the 80-95 stories of structure below provided "minimal resistance" to the 30-15 stories on top- how can this be? Unless, of course, they were being removed by controlled demolition. NIST did not analyze the actual "global collapse"; only the "initiation". And it did not test for explosive residues- despite at least 118 first responders being on record testifying to explosive events, in the oral histories released to the NY Times. In addition, pics and videos show the towers turning into rapidly inflating clouds of dust- that is sufficient by itself to disprove the "collapse" notion.

  • Just so you know
    April 7, 2009 3:13 p.m.

    There are LOTS of peer reviewed journals that publish absolutely terrible research. Just because an "academic" publishes "scientific research" in a "peer reviewed" journal doesn't mean it has any shred of truth in it. There are a LOT of ways to strategically manipulate data collection and data analysis techniques to get results that appear to confirm your ideas. So before you buy into this article, make sure you read the article and critique the methodological rigor with which the study was conducted.

  • Cheryl
    April 7, 2009 3:09 p.m.

    Another thank you to the author and this publication for the fair reporting on this critical issue. This is pure science, not conjecture. The meticulous work of Jones et al deserves our full attention, to say the least.

  • Re:airplane mechanic 9:52
    April 7, 2009 2:39 p.m.

    I never said I knew anything about building construction...Did I?
    That was your own presumption.

    What I said was there is far more happening than meets the eye. WE are supppose to have a free press to ; Prove ALL things, and hold fast to that which is good.

    Freedom of the press can be controlled by government censorship and false information.

    And if we are lulled into a false sense of security that America is rid of Gadiantons -- we've completely missed the warnings from the BoM.

  • Conspiracy Here or There?
    April 7, 2009 1:31 p.m.

    Those of you who support Dr. Jones' work, do you also support the work of other professors fired by BYU Administrators?

    Dr. Jeffrey Nielsen?
    Dr. Cecilia Konchar Farr?
    Dr. Darron T. Smith?
    Dr. D. Michael Quinn?

    If the US Government can carry out such a conspiracy as a "false flag" destruction of the WTC Towers, then why is it unbelievable that the LDS Church Leaders are carrying out a conspiracy to rule the world? (see Charles L. Wood, Author of The Mormon Conspiracy")

  • Dr. Jones' Original Paper
    April 7, 2009 1:00 p.m.

    I read most of Dr. Jones' original paper which is a good starting point for asking the right questions about what really happened on 911. There is ample evidence for anyone willing to look at it that the official explanation of events on 9/11 is not correct. This short Deseret News article barely even scratches the surface. Is this the best this publication can do? It seems "a day late and a dollar short." If the editors at the Deseret News really wanted to get to the bottom of this they could. Which begs the question, "Why haven't they?" Why have hardly any mainstream media sources really asked the tough probing questions?

    By the way, as a BYU graduate let me just say that Dr. Jones seems to me an honorable man. It seems it was a political decision to fire him. Let that be a lesson to anyone who dares question the official explanation.

  • Copernicus
    April 7, 2009 12:59 p.m.

    Dr. Jones is indeed the closest thing we've had to Galileo in 400 years.

    WTC 7 = Moons of Jupiter

  • re: i'm with Todd
    April 7, 2009 12:58 p.m.

    Are you serious? Stop thinking for yourself and just accept what you have been told? That is by far the scariest comment I have ever read by anyone! EVER!

  • Mark
    April 7, 2009 12:08 p.m.

    The author of the article doesn't seem to make an attempt to interview any scientists who might be able to offer alternative explanations for the thermite particles (could the terrorists on the planes have been carrying any explosives with them?). This essentially leaves the reader with the sole conclusion that the only explanation is another George Bush is Dr. Evil bent on world domination conspiracy theory.

    Despite what you see on "24", I have a hard time believing that we have the requisite number of people in the government needed to carry out such a vast conspiracy who are also willing to kill thousands of innocent Americans and then stay silent for years to come.

  • Jerry Fletcher
    April 7, 2009 11:52 a.m.

    re: Thinkin' Man | 8:08 a.m. April 7, 2009

    >>The conspiracy theory is, like all conspiracy theories, literally unbelievable

  • Brigham
    April 7, 2009 11:34 a.m.

    This is as true as Book of Mormon Archaeology and our Sun reflecting light from Kolob. Stupidity knows no bounds and fools will believe anything that someone in a position of authority tells them.

  • Argument is good
    April 7, 2009 11:22 a.m.

    For "bogus claims" and "poor truthers", name calling is not a substitute for an argument.

    WTC 7 was not impacted by an airliner, but collapsed at freefall speeds symmetrically onto its own footprint. From the paper talked about here, the red/gray material discovered in the dust from the WTC was identical in thermitic behavior and composition to nanothermites. Molten steel was observed many times immediately prior to the collapse and for weeks following the collapse, but a jet-fuel fire, especially fuel rich as the WTC was, does not reach temperatures required to melt steel. Claims that this was aluminum do not stack up, as aluminum maintains a silvery white color while molten. The "poor truthers" have asked NIST for empirical evidence that supports the idea that the WTC was brought down by jet liners alone. So far, there has been none.

  • As suspected
    April 7, 2009 10:07 a.m.

    To: Bogus Claims, and anyone who supports his/her point of view
    [Quote]There were no explosions immediately preceding the collapse caught on any of the many videos being recorded of the event or seen by any of thousands of eye witnesses. There were no explosions heard or similar sounds recorded...[quote]
    I HAVE seen a video of firefighters helping people getting away from ground zero as explosions at ground level were heard, and heard witness (including police and firefighters)testimony, particularly those in hospitals say that AFTER the planes hit, they heard explosions.
    So, the fact that you haven't seen or heard these things does not make it fact. Would you mind, then, explaining for us all how 7 went down without a plane hitting it... on the same day, within HOURS of the other two towers? It was a planned demolition, that NO ONE knew about? Don't you think that in all of the mayhem of 9/11 with the two towers they would have called that off? Get your head out of the sand.

  • airplane mechanic
    April 7, 2009 9:52 a.m.

    Sorry, but being a Boeing engineer or an airplane mechanic doe NOT qualify one to know how a specific building's design, construction, and materials will react when said airplane hits it, any more than knowing how to change my car's oil qualifies me to analyze the stresses on a span bridge due to wind, waves, or a semi-truck. Get real. And being a BYU professor doesn't qualify someone to know that the Government has obviously conspired in this, nor does getting something published in a peer reviewed journal or conference mean that it is correct. I have several peer-reviewed publications. It means very little, other than you presented an idea and showed what you believe supports your idea, whether right or wrong. Many times peer-reviewed publications are later found to be completely wrong.

  • Before you accuse BYU
    April 7, 2009 9:47 a.m.

    You better take a closer look and Bentham Open Access.

    A quick google on Bentham Open Journal and Bentham Science uncovered a thread at Yale about some disreputable behavior of Bentham, specifically regarding their open access journals. Beware of terms like "peer reviewed." There is enough evidence to put Bentham peer review up there with Wikipedia.

    I think the science discoveries are notewrothy and should be further examined. But given the amount of research to the contrary. Nobody should be concluding inside job on this or jumping on BYU for their actions. Publication in Bentham OA journals is a far cry from other science publications.

    We need to really check our sources these days as both readers and writers of news. Jarvik may have moved a little too quickly on this by not seeing an alternative viewpoint in her authoring of this piece.

  • Bystander
    April 7, 2009 9:05 a.m.

    For me it goes to show how poor of an education you really get while at BYU. Here's a free thinker, one that is willing to give his insights through his research. He is willing to assess a situation without bias and he gets canned for it. Now theres some evidence, albeit preliminary and questionable that helps to back up his theories. I personally dont believe in a major conspiracy on this, however I havent done any research on the matter so who am I to discredit a person who has? A real education teaches you to do research, due diligence, and decipher life and science for what it is. BYU is not education; it is indoctrination, there's a big difference. I love my religion but I despise that school.

  • Ralph Hughes
    April 7, 2009 8:56 a.m.

    There is much more evidence than just what Professor Jones presents that 911 was a false flag operation, as I believed it was from Day One. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it the planes alone did not bring the buildings down. A career as an engineer with jet engines was enough for me.

  • Rick
    April 7, 2009 8:48 a.m.

    Thanks for the reporting.

    I am a veteran USAF Boeing mechanic and 25+ year Boeing Engineer in Seattle. We've known all along that airplanes alone could not do all this.

    If you want further evidence of a conspiracies;
    the July 17, 1996 accident of TWA flight 800 fuel tank just blowing up in mid-air by itself is another perfect example of government cover-up.

    If someone spills a cup of coffee, Boeing will immediately re-design the coffee holder. To avoid ANY and ALL liability.
    But, if a supposed fuel tank blows-up, that same design is in thousands and thousands of other airplanes world wide.
    FYI, not a single thing has been done to re-design or fix any of them, because that never was the problem.

  • Are you surprised?
    April 7, 2009 8:36 a.m.

    Would it really surprise you if Chenney and Bush did blow the towers to start another war for profit? The only companies that are not tanking right now are the war mongers. The evidence will keep coming out and hopefully we will watch Bush get the chair for treason...man that would leave me smiling for a decade.

  • Im with todd
    April 7, 2009 8:28 a.m.

    Get a live people accept what you have been told and stop trying to think for yourself.

  • Thinkin' Man
    April 7, 2009 8:08 a.m.

    This is an excellent example of junk science: develop a conclusion, then search for evidence to support it. The scientific method is upside-down here, and that means the conclusions cannot be trusted.

    The conspiracy theory is, like all conspiracy theories, literally unbelievable.

  • Please, truthers
    April 7, 2009 7:57 a.m.

    If you're attempting to look all "scientific" and "smart", PLEASE learn proper English grammar and spelling. It's also important to know how many buildings were hit by the airplanes, how many people died, the chemical composition of everything that was legally stored in those buildings, and what could have been stored anywhere else.

  • Poor "truthers"
    April 7, 2009 7:53 a.m.

    You are correct, Bogus Claims.

    I actually feel sorry for the "truthers", people who can be so easily swayed that even in the face of reality, they will follow the mentally ill.

    At least they're keeping track of themselves for us, because *they* are the true dangers to the US.

    If you think about it, the "truthers" are much like Timothy McVeigh: right-wing zealots fed by Aryan Christianity and hate talkers who will do anything to bring down the United States.

  • todd
    April 7, 2009 7:38 a.m.

    Get a life people!

  • perplexed
    April 7, 2009 7:31 a.m.

    I have always been flumoxed at how boldly the majority of people ignore the evidence that this was some kind of inside job.

    Jones analogy to being like Gallileo is apropriate. To believe that airplanes brought any of the three of those buildings down in their own footprints is akin to believing the universe revolves around the earth.

  • Good article
    April 7, 2009 7:27 a.m.

    Thanks for the fair reporting.

  • Bogus Claims
    April 7, 2009 7:23 a.m.

    The string of events required to pull this off is ludicrous. The buildings did not collapse from the bottom up like a building being demolished. They collapsed from the top, precisely where the planes hit. There were no explosions immediately preceding the collapse caught on any of the many videos being recorded of the event or seen by any of thousands of eye witnesses. There were no explosions heard or similar sounds recorded. There are no eyewitness accounts of explosive sounds immediately preceding the collapses, despite thousands of eyewitnesses in close proximity to the site. If you watch the video footage, the collapse doesn't start below the entry wound, but right at it. So any government co-conspiritors would have needed to know exactly which floors the planes were going to hit. They would have had to pull off perfectly executed plans 3x that morning in the face of complete chaos.

    While I think it is reasonable to ask scientific questions about the event to help us understand what actually happened that morning, this guy's theories cross the line and are more "crackpot" than likely. BYU made the right decision in letting this guy go...

  • j. riveros
    April 7, 2009 12:27 a.m.

    I suspected since i saw it live on TV. Well you don't have to be a sientist to get to this conclusion 90% of the people in the world knew that.
    Eventually the conspirators that killed a 1,000 plus innocents human beings will have to clear their own conciousness, so some of them will confess before dying. Truth always win,this is one of the biggest crimes ever, can't think of anything worst. yours in truth. J.R.