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Traces of explosives in 9/11 dust, scientists say
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brisa | 9:21 a.m. April 8, 2009
One either has to believe in the laws of physics relative to conservation of
momentum or trust that the official narrative of the 911 atrocity is true. They
are mutually exclusive.
Objects or buildings that fall at a free-fall rate fall with no resistance. Discounting air resistance, this is the case with WTC1, 2 and especially building 7. The actual rate of the collapse of these three structures as corroborated by unspinnable video evidence, exposes the fallacious nature of the official explanation. A free-fall rate of collapse is only possible if all structural integrity is eliminated just ahead of the collapse wave. This set of parameters can only be accounted for by the controlled demolition of these buildings.
Every American has to decide whether to trust this government and corporate controlled news media or whether to apply some critical thinking skills in the evaluation of widely disseminated information concerning the 911 atrocity. Since my government has a long history of protecting me from the truth for my own good, I'll stick with Newton and Galileo.
Objects or buildings that fall at a free-fall rate fall with no resistance. Discounting air resistance, this is the case with WTC1, 2 and especially building 7. The actual rate of the collapse of these three structures as corroborated by unspinnable video evidence, exposes the fallacious nature of the official explanation. A free-fall rate of collapse is only possible if all structural integrity is eliminated just ahead of the collapse wave. This set of parameters can only be accounted for by the controlled demolition of these buildings.
Every American has to decide whether to trust this government and corporate controlled news media or whether to apply some critical thinking skills in the evaluation of widely disseminated information concerning the 911 atrocity. Since my government has a long history of protecting me from the truth for my own good, I'll stick with Newton and Galileo.
sdemetri | 9:26 a.m. April 8, 2009
Good to see so many positive comments. The peer reviewed article is yet more
proof the official conspiracy theory is full of holes and indefensible.
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Gravitational Collapse | 9:32 a.m. April 8, 2009
I dont have a lot of patience or interest in conspiracy theories, however, Ive
always been particularly troubled by two issues regarding the attacks in New
York. If the collapse of the towers was gravitational, how is it possible that
multi-ton steel sections were ejected laterally up to 600 feet? Secondly, the
remains of approximately 1000 of the WTC victims were never identified. Its
reported that thousands of unidentified humans remains were recovered that are
less than 3 inches. Is a building collapse powerful enough to reduce the
remains of the victims to mere shards? Are these phenomena (i.e., the lateral
building ejections and shards of human remains) better explained by the energy
available in a gravitational collapse or by some type of explosive event? I
dont want to believe that its the latter.
I SEE I AM NOT BLIND | 9:33 a.m. April 8, 2009
I have seen this for a long time. When DNews first reported Dr Jones findings a
few years ago I was interested. We did some investigation ourselves and studied
the structures and how they were built. We saw the massive columns of steel
that were placed in the center. These buildings were built to withstand
hurricanes and earthquakes. The airplanes look like toothpicks in comparison.
The massive core would have taken days to melt with a continuous fire. Airplane
fuel could in no way get hot enough regardless of what the news tells us to melt
those structures. We have a plasma cutter in our machine shop that cuts through
1/2 inch plate with a white intense flame with great force. We consider it a
miracle. It would be a miracle for those planes to have brought those buildings
down. DIDN'T HAPPEN COULDN'T HAPPEN!
Jeff R | 9:35 a.m. April 8, 2009
Some people just cant face reality. No building is designed to take huge
airliner with thousands of gallons of highly flammable jet fuel straight into
the core. This event never happend before this so we dont know how a building is
going to react. Plus the WTC was not designed to take a straight freefall of
thousands of tons of concrete and steel on the underlying floors. No building is
designed for that. So those who think the government is out to get us needs to
sit down and think about their lives. What about the plane that hit the pentagon
and the other that crashed in Penn???? The 9/11 conspericy is a joke and is what
missinformed people think of first. "Oh it must have been the
government"! No, it was jihadist terrorists bent on death and destruction
for the US. I have been to Iraq and know how that religion feels about us. Look
what happend after 9/11..... Americans banded together and rebuilt our economy
and helped eachother. We need that America back, and we need it back soon. We
are on a path of self destruction because of this king of thinking.
Gretavo | 9:49 a.m. April 8, 2009
Jessica, I commend you for keeping an open mind, but I would say in response to
your conclusion that we should never give up trying to determine the truth about
something this importnat. It would be one thing if we had a real national
discussion with all viewpoints represented--but we haven't! We have been
fighting for years just to get people to open their minds and take these issues
seriously. A good place to start learning what we know and don't know is
the work of Prof. David ay Griffin. His latest book, The New Pearl Harbor
Revisited, is the best, most up-to-date survey of the various issues involved.
We cannot sell ourselves short and assume that the truth is unknowable. With
enough of us working together to expose just what is known to be false we will
create the pressure needed for those with the power to conduct a real
investigation to do so. Our country, the world, and especially the victims of
9/11 deserve nothing less.
Gravitational Collapse | 9:49 a.m. April 8, 2009
I dont have a lot of patience or interest in conspiracy theories, however, Ive
always been particularly troubled by two issues regarding the attacks in New
York. If the collapse of the towers was gravitational, how is it possible that
multi-ton steel sections were ejected laterally up to 600 feet? Secondly, the
remains of approximately 1000 of the WTC victims were never identified. Its
reported that thousands of unidentified humans remains were recovered that are
less than 3 inches. Is a building collapse powerful enough to reduce the
remains of the victims to mere shards? Are these phenomena (i.e., the lateral
building ejections and shards of human remains) better explained by the energy
available in a gravitational collapse or by some type of explosive event? I
dont want to believe that its the latter.
Sebbel | 10:04 a.m. April 8, 2009
Two years ago a recognized a video about WTC7 and I began to do my own research.
Its true, all informations are second hand but there are so many high ranking
officials, engineers and scientist who claims that it is a cover up story.
Please watch this film on youtube or wherever you can find it - "How the Towers Fell" (1 of 13)-Architect Richard Gage - . The speaker is a scientist and architect and apparently the head of the initiative "Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth". Over 600 of them have yet signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation.
Why should they jeoperdize their reputation, if the whole story is a consiracy? Because they know that the official story is not true. They matched all the facts but they dont fit.
The speaker in this film describes how a theory has to be varified and than delivers all facts that can be seen in the original footage of the networks etc. At least everybody has to rethink the official story and maybe arrive to the same conclusion, these architects came to. Dont believe the media!
Please watch this film on youtube or wherever you can find it - "How the Towers Fell" (1 of 13)-Architect Richard Gage - . The speaker is a scientist and architect and apparently the head of the initiative "Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth". Over 600 of them have yet signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation.
Why should they jeoperdize their reputation, if the whole story is a consiracy? Because they know that the official story is not true. They matched all the facts but they dont fit.
The speaker in this film describes how a theory has to be varified and than delivers all facts that can be seen in the original footage of the networks etc. At least everybody has to rethink the official story and maybe arrive to the same conclusion, these architects came to. Dont believe the media!
Dave | 10:17 a.m. April 8, 2009
Thanks for the great reporting, it takes courage to put out something this
controversial. I can see plenty of passionate people on here posting various
comments about what they think happened. I think we can all agree that there
are unanswered questions and I am glad people like Dr. Jones are actively
seeking the truth.
The real k9 | 10:26 a.m. April 8, 2009
What is wrong with you people? Do you think a buildings just fall down when you
crash a plane into them? What about the tons of bombs that were dropped in
Germany in world war II on buildings that did not have steel reinforcement? Did
they all colapse? No they didn't. But, I don't think it was a
government cover up either. What about the possibility that there was a backup
plan if the planes didn't work? Could terrorists have been bringing in
explosives for months before 9/11? In the form of cars or a multiple of other
ways. I thought it was very odd for a building to to fall to the ground from
being hit so high up. It doesn't make sense. Is it so hard to believe that
something else was going on? Could these terrorists have planned a foolproof way
to bring these buildings down? I think it would be very easy to sneak explosives
in vans, trucks, Etc. into these buildings. It was open to the public and there
could be a thousand ways to bring in explosives many times.
sdemetri | 10:32 a.m. April 8, 2009
Jessica, google Patriots Question 9/11. The site contains several hundred
prominent and not so prominent people who have questions about the official
conspiracy theory about the attacks. There are govt officials, academics,
pilots, firefighters who were there, police, hundreds of people from all
stations and walks of life who have serious reservations about what we have been
told.
I commend your openmindedness, as well. Patriots Question 9/11 will expand your thinking about the issue.
I commend your openmindedness, as well. Patriots Question 9/11 will expand your thinking about the issue.
North European | 10:36 a.m. April 8, 2009
Even a young kid could see that the smooth, symmetrical, floor-by-floor
destruction of the 174-meter-tall WTC 7 in seconds resulted from the
(controlled) use of explosives. As my young niece, in fact, did. Thank you for
this fair article.
Harvey | 10:43 a.m. April 8, 2009
I appreciate the article and the work done by the scientist. Independent
research needs to continue and all sides of the story should be reported in the
media. For me there are still too many unanswered questions to believe the
government conspiracy theory. I am still of the opinion that this was
perpetuated by terrorists that may have had more inside help than we know..this
inside help could of came just as easy from the mafia than our government.
Also, the source of the material that was tested by Jones could have just as
easily been planted by those who would like to bring down the government.
international viewpoint | 10:46 a.m. April 8, 2009
Dr Jones gives Americans a good name. After years of disastrous, deceptive Bush
foreign policy, here is a man who believes truth is worth looking for; who hones
in on facts; who sticks to his guns no matter what; who develops science and
allows science to lead him forward, leaving the chips to fall where they may
(pun intended).
Other scientists are welcome to put Jones' evidence to the test in any lab in the world. There's plenty more dust available to test, apparently. Critics must put their own team of scientists together and get a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal in order to disprove the Harrit-Jones paper. Until then, I accept what it says: high-grade explosive residue has been found in WTC dust. What does this mean and are Americans bold enough to deal with this? The world is watching America and praying that truth, science, reason and reconciliation triumph.
Other scientists are welcome to put Jones' evidence to the test in any lab in the world. There's plenty more dust available to test, apparently. Critics must put their own team of scientists together and get a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal in order to disprove the Harrit-Jones paper. Until then, I accept what it says: high-grade explosive residue has been found in WTC dust. What does this mean and are Americans bold enough to deal with this? The world is watching America and praying that truth, science, reason and reconciliation triumph.
come on | 10:48 a.m. April 8, 2009
to those of you that don't think that on the other side these guys have a
consience...they don't in fact they are promised heaven..etc..etc..and they
along with many like minded help in what ever capacity they can ...they even do
that in the countries our soldiers are in...and with our open border policy
..the question is ...who and what has got in ..if a third world population in
huge amounts of people along with the enormous amounts of dope can come into the
country undetected then what else is going to happen...look at the present
policy Yapias and his group is always touting..."don't harass us ..we
here illegally but most of us are law abiding"...well learn from 911 that
it only takes 5-10 non law abiding people to do catastrophe...CLOSE THE BORDERS
NOW..I'LL MY OWN BURGER AND FIX MY OWN BED IF THAT IS WHAT IS NEEDED!!
Harvey | 10:54 a.m. April 8, 2009
Didnt Al-Qaeda claim responsibility for 9/11? How has a war with the US helped
them since the attack? The war in Iraq and Afghanistan have not been profitable
for the republicans or the government. Sadam Hussan would have had to play his
part in denying UN inspections. Bush and Cheney were just months into election
and the country & economy were doing fine. Both men were also wealthy enough
that they would never have to work a day of their lives whether they won
election or not. Wasnt the story of the box cutters reported by the individuals
that crashed the plane in PA? The individuals that crashed these planes didnt
sound like they were very well equipped; I am sure our government could do
better than box cutters. Also, many terrorists take on the same names so the
fact that a paper in the UK says that the supposed terrorists are alive doesnt
mean much. I do not consider myself repub or demo; I am tired of leadership in
DC since 9/11. If elections were today I would not vote for Bush or Obama; they
both like big government.
Richard | 10:57 a.m. April 8, 2009
There is little doubt that Isreal had a hand in 9/11 for the purpose of drawing
the USA into defense of Isreal against her enemies in the middle east, Iran and
Iraq. And it worked.
TwoSenseWorth | 10:59 a.m. April 8, 2009
Surprisingly, Glenn Beck has recently been criticizing those who believe 9/11
Truth. I believe he even referred to them as "loonies." What he
should do is have Steven Jones as a guest on his show. He may become converted.
Gretavo | 11:22 a.m. April 8, 2009
It's a shame that so many people think that 9/11 skepticism means believing
"the government did it". WHOEVER did it was not acting in any way in
the interest of the U.S. What is more likely is that corrupt individuals in key
positions assisted the other conspirators. Like any normal investigation into
the destruction of property, the 9/11 investigation should have considered arson
and tested for incendiaries as is prescribed by national fire investigation
standards. Had they done this, they would have had to conclude that indeed
arson was involved and the next question would have had to be who benefitted.
In arson cases it is quite often the insurance beneficiary who is among the
leading suspects. People will immediately ask why the insurance companies
agreed to the several billion dollar payout in the case of the WTC, and the
obvious answer is that by not questioning the official narrative they were
justified in increasing insurance premiums across the board and around the world
due to the newly heightened fear of terrorism. As in all cases, it is very
instructive to FOLLOW THE MONEY!
Ronnie Bray | 11:27 a.m. April 8, 2009
Thank you Professor Jones for adding to the USA's mountain of urban myths
another shoddy theory. Did we need it?
I saw the towers come down. It is impossible for a building to completely collapse 'from the top down' as some believe the towers ought to have done. When you can demonstrate one doing so, then I will come and watch. I do not expect to be summoned.
The most amusing part - aside from people actually swallowing the Bush-Cheney sabotage plot - is the comments from 'experts' that press their sapiential authority on readers as conclusive evidence that they [and they alone] know what can and cannot happen from a large jetliner striking a multi-storey building.
My reasons for knowing better than they do are just as off the wall, but here goes:
1. I have seen a tall building, so I know all about them.
2. I have been on an aeroplane, so I know all about them too.
3. I have a friend who is an airline pilot, so I have inside knowledge.
4. I have flown petroleum-driven miniature aircraft one of which crashed into a tall [by comparison] building, so there!
Next ...
I saw the towers come down. It is impossible for a building to completely collapse 'from the top down' as some believe the towers ought to have done. When you can demonstrate one doing so, then I will come and watch. I do not expect to be summoned.
The most amusing part - aside from people actually swallowing the Bush-Cheney sabotage plot - is the comments from 'experts' that press their sapiential authority on readers as conclusive evidence that they [and they alone] know what can and cannot happen from a large jetliner striking a multi-storey building.
My reasons for knowing better than they do are just as off the wall, but here goes:
1. I have seen a tall building, so I know all about them.
2. I have been on an aeroplane, so I know all about them too.
3. I have a friend who is an airline pilot, so I have inside knowledge.
4. I have flown petroleum-driven miniature aircraft one of which crashed into a tall [by comparison] building, so there!
Next ...
Sitting-Bull | 11:45 a.m. April 8, 2009
@ Jessica:
What were their motives for saving the dust and turning it over to researchers?
Many people saved some of the dust of that infamous day, and there is no merit in speculation why they did so. BTW: The samples were sent to Prof. Jones and others after they requested for it in their first papers and interviews. Nothing sinister here. There are even reference samples sent to other scientists as well. Many of them never called back, not because the hypothesis or the experimental results were wrong, but because the issue is still to hot. Kudos for the scientists listed in the study, especially Dr. Niels Harrit, a chemistry professor at the Copenhagen University who had published numerous studies in journals such as the Nano Letters, the Journal of the American Chemical Society and the Journal of Physical Chemistry in the past 30 years, for standig up for truth.
What were their motives for saving the dust and turning it over to researchers?
Many people saved some of the dust of that infamous day, and there is no merit in speculation why they did so. BTW: The samples were sent to Prof. Jones and others after they requested for it in their first papers and interviews. Nothing sinister here. There are even reference samples sent to other scientists as well. Many of them never called back, not because the hypothesis or the experimental results were wrong, but because the issue is still to hot. Kudos for the scientists listed in the study, especially Dr. Niels Harrit, a chemistry professor at the Copenhagen University who had published numerous studies in journals such as the Nano Letters, the Journal of the American Chemical Society and the Journal of Physical Chemistry in the past 30 years, for standig up for truth.
Larry J | 11:46 a.m. April 8, 2009
I don't know what is more amazing; Dr. Jones' conspiracy claims, or,
all the people who really believe them. But then a lot of people around here
believe in some really crazy things.
harry | 11:48 a.m. April 8, 2009
The 'American People' are responsible for the conspiracy of 911
succeeding.
They are either too scared to confront the realities or they are happy that the powerful ones are making all those tough decisions for them.
Most ordinary people have trouble choosing which car to buy (its easy, they are all junk) - fear is the key.
When a few 'ordinary' types get asked to take part in a cover-up, they love the ego trip it provides and will lie for their country till their dying days.
If you cant be a poweful person, it feels great to be a supporter, or a fan.
Humans are liars and fools - the purpose of existence is to get past that and become something better.
From a lot of the comments here, that isnt happening very often.....
Of course 911 was a phoney attack - the evidence is overwhelming.
Oh, and flying a plane precisely into a small target has been possible for over 40 years.
Dont any of you people read books? I guess not.
They are either too scared to confront the realities or they are happy that the powerful ones are making all those tough decisions for them.
Most ordinary people have trouble choosing which car to buy (its easy, they are all junk) - fear is the key.
When a few 'ordinary' types get asked to take part in a cover-up, they love the ego trip it provides and will lie for their country till their dying days.
If you cant be a poweful person, it feels great to be a supporter, or a fan.
Humans are liars and fools - the purpose of existence is to get past that and become something better.
From a lot of the comments here, that isnt happening very often.....
Of course 911 was a phoney attack - the evidence is overwhelming.
Oh, and flying a plane precisely into a small target has been possible for over 40 years.
Dont any of you people read books? I guess not.
Mike Zelinski | 12:18 p.m. April 8, 2009
Interesting article, thank you Deseret News. Independent news is necessary for
an informed public. And thanks to the scientists involved for following where
the science lead them.
This article should convince the American people that we need to encourage more scientists and engineers to investigate the events of 9/11. Free and open inquiry is always the best solution.
I hope all those who support the official gov't story of 9/11 will demand that NIST publicly release all evidence in order to prove its case. The rest of us should demand the same from NIST.
This article should convince the American people that we need to encourage more scientists and engineers to investigate the events of 9/11. Free and open inquiry is always the best solution.
I hope all those who support the official gov't story of 9/11 will demand that NIST publicly release all evidence in order to prove its case. The rest of us should demand the same from NIST.
QRDeNameland | 12:19 p.m. April 8, 2009
Jeff R wrote:
"Some people just cant face reality. No building is designed to take huge airliner with thousands of gallons of highly flammable jet fuel straight into the core."
Why do 'debunkers' make claims that are so easily countered by readily available facts? The WTC towers were famously designed to withstand jet impacts and fuel fires.
Don't take my word for it. Here's what John Skilling, head structural engineer of WTC construction said after the 1993 WTC bombing:
"We looked at every possible thing [...] even to the extent of an airplane hitting the side. Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed, [but] the building structure would still be there."
(google "Skilling Twin Towers Engineered To Withstand Jet Collision" for source from Seattle Times)
No one has yet provided any pre-9/11 analysis which challenged this claim, meaning the architect/engineer community considered the claim sound. Yet both towers "collapsed" as catastrophically as possible. If they were so wrong, why do we trust any skyscrapers after 9/11?
"Face reality", indeed.
"Some people just cant face reality. No building is designed to take huge airliner with thousands of gallons of highly flammable jet fuel straight into the core."
Why do 'debunkers' make claims that are so easily countered by readily available facts? The WTC towers were famously designed to withstand jet impacts and fuel fires.
Don't take my word for it. Here's what John Skilling, head structural engineer of WTC construction said after the 1993 WTC bombing:
"We looked at every possible thing [...] even to the extent of an airplane hitting the side. Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed, [but] the building structure would still be there."
(google "Skilling Twin Towers Engineered To Withstand Jet Collision" for source from Seattle Times)
No one has yet provided any pre-9/11 analysis which challenged this claim, meaning the architect/engineer community considered the claim sound. Yet both towers "collapsed" as catastrophically as possible. If they were so wrong, why do we trust any skyscrapers after 9/11?
"Face reality", indeed.
Too Late | 12:20 p.m. April 8, 2009
Whether I believe it was a conspiracy or not doesn't matter now. It has
been too many years since it happened. I am afraid that this will just become
another conspiracy theory a-la J.F.K. and Pearl Harbor.
RB | 12:24 p.m. April 8, 2009
No cover up?
Flight 91 that crashed in the field was shot-down by our own military jets.
Fact - USAF fighters were scambled in the D.C. area when all flights were ordered down and the Penegon had been hit.
Fact - Air Traffic control was fully aware of an in-coming unidetified aircraft rapidily approach Wash D.C.
Fast - The military was already authorized shoot-to-kill orders.
Fact - a Heat seeking missile locks onto the exhuast from the engine.
Fact - the right hand engine (No.2) fell first, hitting the gorund over 7 miles away and BEFORE the impact crater.
The trajectoy and loaction of debris is consistant with an airliner hit with and air to air missile, rolling out of control and hitting the ground nearly straight down.
Who covered up all those FACTS ?
Flight 91 that crashed in the field was shot-down by our own military jets.
Fact - USAF fighters were scambled in the D.C. area when all flights were ordered down and the Penegon had been hit.
Fact - Air Traffic control was fully aware of an in-coming unidetified aircraft rapidily approach Wash D.C.
Fast - The military was already authorized shoot-to-kill orders.
Fact - a Heat seeking missile locks onto the exhuast from the engine.
Fact - the right hand engine (No.2) fell first, hitting the gorund over 7 miles away and BEFORE the impact crater.
The trajectoy and loaction of debris is consistant with an airliner hit with and air to air missile, rolling out of control and hitting the ground nearly straight down.
Who covered up all those FACTS ?
What??? | 12:25 p.m. April 8, 2009
A large aircraft smashing with tremendous force into the side of a building
would not comprise it's structual integrity?? REALLY???
BACK SHOW | 12:30 p.m. April 8, 2009
I noticed recently that Glenn Beck earlier this week promo'ed a Beck
segment about Popular Mechanics Magazine editor(s) to debunk the 9/11 conspiracy
theories (so that's the best source possible, uh?).
Beck is a popular up-and-coming conservative who I believe made a deal with FOX--he gets the show, FOX gets their propagada.
Beck is a popular up-and-coming conservative who I believe made a deal with FOX--he gets the show, FOX gets their propagada.
Margaret | 12:46 p.m. April 8, 2009
First thing to do is read the article. It is sophisticated, but elegantly
simple, as truth frequently is. It draws no conclusions EXCEPT that a
nano-version of Thermite was demonstrated in all samples. Nano thermite is only
able to be produced by a very small number of sources, all of which would be
under tight security. This is the smoking gun!
I think we are back to my favorite "square one", which is FOLLOW THE MONEY, cui bono? I may not live long enough to see this play out, but I am certain that a number of people are very disconcerted that this paper was published- and is receiving attention. Thank God!!!
I think we are back to my favorite "square one", which is FOLLOW THE MONEY, cui bono? I may not live long enough to see this play out, but I am certain that a number of people are very disconcerted that this paper was published- and is receiving attention. Thank God!!!
secret | 12:56 p.m. April 8, 2009
If there was a conspiracy it wasn't George Bush.
Our government and society is riddled with people belonging to secret combinations.
Also, since our society and government is riddled by these secret combinations there must have been many who live in NYC and worked at the buildings.
I find it stange (just a theory) that the hijackers (who want to kill as many people as possible), didn't wait until a little later to be sure all the people who worked there showed up? Perhaps it was so those who are in this secret combination could stay away until it was done?
Also, President Hinckley said the terrorists belonged to the very secret combination that the book of mormon says will exist in the latter days.
Also, Pres. Benson said long ago that the communists were also members of that secret combination.
Also, notice how hollywood loves both the communists and the terrorists.
Our government and society is riddled with people belonging to secret combinations.
Also, since our society and government is riddled by these secret combinations there must have been many who live in NYC and worked at the buildings.
I find it stange (just a theory) that the hijackers (who want to kill as many people as possible), didn't wait until a little later to be sure all the people who worked there showed up? Perhaps it was so those who are in this secret combination could stay away until it was done?
Also, President Hinckley said the terrorists belonged to the very secret combination that the book of mormon says will exist in the latter days.
Also, Pres. Benson said long ago that the communists were also members of that secret combination.
Also, notice how hollywood loves both the communists and the terrorists.
Turow | 12:57 p.m. April 8, 2009
@ Larry J
I don't know what is more amazing, the Bush administratoin's explanation for how the towers fell or the the people who believe them. But then a lot of people around here believe in some really crazy things.
Try using evidence in your arguments, Larry--its more persuasive.
Here's a tidbit. You will recall that Bush tried to appoint Henry Kissinger, the master of conspiracies, to lead the investigation into 911.
I don't know what is more amazing, the Bush administratoin's explanation for how the towers fell or the the people who believe them. But then a lot of people around here believe in some really crazy things.
Try using evidence in your arguments, Larry--its more persuasive.
Here's a tidbit. You will recall that Bush tried to appoint Henry Kissinger, the master of conspiracies, to lead the investigation into 911.
ripz | 1:08 p.m. April 8, 2009
Hey "debunkers"... what part of "peer reviewed and published in a
scientific journal" don't you get?
You don't get to simply debate you're way out of this. What you need to try to do is find some "experts" who can refute this evidence by way of publishing scientific proof of their own in a peer reviewed journal. Until that happens (it won't so don't hold your breath) This paper stands as "unchallenged" in the scientific community.
Even though the "Journal of 911 Studies" is not mainstream, It's body of work stands unchallenged... just like the first two MS peer reviewed papers this group of wonderful patriotic scientists have been successful in having published.
Thank you so much for writing and, having the courage, to publish this article.
You don't get to simply debate you're way out of this. What you need to try to do is find some "experts" who can refute this evidence by way of publishing scientific proof of their own in a peer reviewed journal. Until that happens (it won't so don't hold your breath) This paper stands as "unchallenged" in the scientific community.
Even though the "Journal of 911 Studies" is not mainstream, It's body of work stands unchallenged... just like the first two MS peer reviewed papers this group of wonderful patriotic scientists have been successful in having published.
Thank you so much for writing and, having the courage, to publish this article.
george | 1:17 p.m. April 8, 2009
And the 9/11 conspiracy theory has returned. It was all an inside job. And since
so many people are willing to believe this, lets revisit these conspiracies as
truth:
One world order, Philadelphia experiment, How AIDS really got started, Cars able to run only on water,
Global warming, Illuminati, ETs
Say, is there any truth to the rumour that the trumpet that Moroni is tooting on the mormon temples is really a signal that is going to Kolob?
One world order, Philadelphia experiment, How AIDS really got started, Cars able to run only on water,
Global warming, Illuminati, ETs
Say, is there any truth to the rumour that the trumpet that Moroni is tooting on the mormon temples is really a signal that is going to Kolob?
Randy A Michael | 1:19 p.m. April 8, 2009
When buildings fall down, they don't BLOW UP.
stuarthwyman | 1:34 p.m. April 8, 2009
A lot of witness reported explosions, collapses of the 3 building are at all
similar to controlled demolition, NIST as accounted a lot of lies with only 16
milions dollars thay had from gouvernment...
An indipendent investigation needs to the world...
An indipendent investigation needs to the world...
Gretavo | 1:47 p.m. April 8, 2009
@ george 1:17 p.m.
You left out these: al Qaeda hiding out in numerous high tech bunkers built inside of mountains in Afghanistan, Saddam being involved in 9/11, Saddam having WMD, Jessica Lynch going down shooting, Anthrax being mailed by Islamic terrorists, Bernie Madoff is a brilliant investor, Enron's business model was ingenious, Bill Clinton did not have sex with that woman... Now these are just the ones that have been proven to be lies, and yet at some point in time the majority of people believed them to be true. If the best you can muster as a counterargument is to insinuate that 9/11 skepticism is comparable to belief in UFO's then we must be getting closer to the truth. Why don't you join the rest of us in reality and accept already that you were duped? Most of us were, until we found the courage to examine all the relevant facts for ourselves.
You left out these: al Qaeda hiding out in numerous high tech bunkers built inside of mountains in Afghanistan, Saddam being involved in 9/11, Saddam having WMD, Jessica Lynch going down shooting, Anthrax being mailed by Islamic terrorists, Bernie Madoff is a brilliant investor, Enron's business model was ingenious, Bill Clinton did not have sex with that woman... Now these are just the ones that have been proven to be lies, and yet at some point in time the majority of people believed them to be true. If the best you can muster as a counterargument is to insinuate that 9/11 skepticism is comparable to belief in UFO's then we must be getting closer to the truth. Why don't you join the rest of us in reality and accept already that you were duped? Most of us were, until we found the courage to examine all the relevant facts for ourselves.
LuKe | 2:10 p.m. April 8, 2009
@Gretavo:
"Why don't you join the rest of us in reality and accept already that you were duped? Most of us were, until we found the courage to examine all the relevant facts for ourselves."
Be patient. I`m German, and this is your version of the Reichstag-fire. It`s hard to recognize that you`ve been lied to.
Of all CT-versions of what happened on 9/11, the official one is one of the worst. Besides the media coverage, there is not a single, simple evidence for it.
Try yourself.
"Why don't you join the rest of us in reality and accept already that you were duped? Most of us were, until we found the courage to examine all the relevant facts for ourselves."
Be patient. I`m German, and this is your version of the Reichstag-fire. It`s hard to recognize that you`ve been lied to.
Of all CT-versions of what happened on 9/11, the official one is one of the worst. Besides the media coverage, there is not a single, simple evidence for it.
Try yourself.
An American | 2:25 p.m. April 8, 2009
Fire could have burn the Towers, however, fire could have not vaporised the 3 NY
Towers. It were exlosives or some kinds of thermate explosions which vaporised
entire the 3 NY Towers.
Larry Silverstein has publicly confessed to his crimes by "...PULLING IT...".
The Towers were blown to bits, and the owner, Lucky Larry who had been owning the Towers for less than 4 months, has confessed to his crimes. Yet, noone has been charged. Even the FBI has not indicated that Bin Laden involvement into the Tower attacks.
Larry Silverstein was one of those people(s) behind the 911 attacks.
Larry Silverstein has publicly confessed to his crimes by "...PULLING IT...".
The Towers were blown to bits, and the owner, Lucky Larry who had been owning the Towers for less than 4 months, has confessed to his crimes. Yet, noone has been charged. Even the FBI has not indicated that Bin Laden involvement into the Tower attacks.
Larry Silverstein was one of those people(s) behind the 911 attacks.
Sitting-Bull | 2:37 p.m. April 8, 2009
I already said it the last time I commented an article 'bout professor
Jones:
Maybe the renewal work was not was it seems to be.
"I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it." -1993-John Skilling, Head Structural Engineer WTC Towers
"If someone really wants to take the WTC, he will. Our job here is to discourage those interested in doing so in the hope that they go elsewhere."- Douglas Karpiloff, Head of Security WTC
An interesting link would be Magic Plumbing and Heating associated with Denko. Front companies. False Flag companies. Rogue intelligence squadrons driven.
Maybe the renewal work was not was it seems to be.
"I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it." -1993-John Skilling, Head Structural Engineer WTC Towers
"If someone really wants to take the WTC, he will. Our job here is to discourage those interested in doing so in the hope that they go elsewhere."- Douglas Karpiloff, Head of Security WTC
An interesting link would be Magic Plumbing and Heating associated with Denko. Front companies. False Flag companies. Rogue intelligence squadrons driven.
Anon | 2:46 p.m. April 8, 2009
Read the scientific paper, especially the abstract in the beginning and the
discussion sections. It's not that hard to understand. Active super
high-tech explosives are found in high concentrations in the WTC dust samples.
This means there were TONS of active explosives present in the toxic dust which
followed the WTC building demolitions. This is a peer reviewed scientific
journal. Unless any objections are made in a peer-reviewed scientific journal,
this scientific paper stands up to the rigors of the scientific peer-review
process.
Anon | 2:49 p.m. April 8, 2009
What you need to know about "Peer-review"
Here's what you need to know (especially if you are not a scientist): UNLESS AN OBJECTOR ACTUALLY PUBLISHES HIS OR HER OBJECTION IN A PEER-REVIEWED ESTABLISHED JOURNAL (yes that would include Bentham Scientific journals), THEN THE OBJECTION IS NOT CONSIDERED SERIOUS IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY. YOU SHOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT NON-PUBLISHED OBJECTIONS EITHER.
So how do you, as a non-scientist, discern whether the arguments are valid or not? You should first ask, "is the objection PUBLISHED in an ESTABLISHED PEER-REVIEWED JOURNAL?" If not, you can and should say -- "I will wait to see this formally published in a refereed scientific journal. Until then, the published peer-reviewed work by Harrit et al. stands. "
Here's what you need to know (especially if you are not a scientist): UNLESS AN OBJECTOR ACTUALLY PUBLISHES HIS OR HER OBJECTION IN A PEER-REVIEWED ESTABLISHED JOURNAL (yes that would include Bentham Scientific journals), THEN THE OBJECTION IS NOT CONSIDERED SERIOUS IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY. YOU SHOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT NON-PUBLISHED OBJECTIONS EITHER.
So how do you, as a non-scientist, discern whether the arguments are valid or not? You should first ask, "is the objection PUBLISHED in an ESTABLISHED PEER-REVIEWED JOURNAL?" If not, you can and should say -- "I will wait to see this formally published in a refereed scientific journal. Until then, the published peer-reviewed work by Harrit et al. stands. "
Hunter | 3:31 p.m. April 8, 2009
I've worn my bumper sticker on the rear of my vehicle proudly for the past
year:
911 Was An Inside Job
Thank you for reporting this, it is very important this information is made public for both praise and criticism.
I was only convinced of this just a year ago when I actually sat down and did research, hours of it in fact, rather than playing it off as crazy talk.
The information presented by Alex Jones and Infowars was a start, but documentaries like Loose Change, In Plane Sight, Fabled Enemies and Terror Storm really added to the wealth of information that is available on the subject.
There are so many facets to this, 911 is only a small part of the large picture. It has everything to do with creating an Orwellian 1984 police state and the expansion of power by a few elitists, kinda like what happened at the G20 Summit.
Don't take our word for it, read books and watch documentaries researches have already compiled. The new docs "The Obama Deception" and "Core of Corruption" are a great way to start and only require a few hours of your time.
If you dare.
911 Was An Inside Job
Thank you for reporting this, it is very important this information is made public for both praise and criticism.
I was only convinced of this just a year ago when I actually sat down and did research, hours of it in fact, rather than playing it off as crazy talk.
The information presented by Alex Jones and Infowars was a start, but documentaries like Loose Change, In Plane Sight, Fabled Enemies and Terror Storm really added to the wealth of information that is available on the subject.
There are so many facets to this, 911 is only a small part of the large picture. It has everything to do with creating an Orwellian 1984 police state and the expansion of power by a few elitists, kinda like what happened at the G20 Summit.
Don't take our word for it, read books and watch documentaries researches have already compiled. The new docs "The Obama Deception" and "Core of Corruption" are a great way to start and only require a few hours of your time.
If you dare.
Dany | 3:49 p.m. April 8, 2009
Oh My God,
I honestly cannot believe that some of the people that write comments in here are so stupid. Eg, the person who is saying that the conspiracists may have planted the thermite so they could 'bring down the government'. Are you flipping kidding? Millions of people around the world have been begging for an independent investigation for almost 8 years now, and NOTHING has happened! They're not very good at bringing the Govenrnment down then are they!!!!It's a massive cover up you idiots!!! SOOOO FRUSTRATED AND SICK OF THE SHEEPLE! We are ALL being manipulated. Are you blind? Why don't you google ANY of these topics on any actual NEWS website and you will find NOTHING! It's a media blackout. Do your research!!
I honestly cannot believe that some of the people that write comments in here are so stupid. Eg, the person who is saying that the conspiracists may have planted the thermite so they could 'bring down the government'. Are you flipping kidding? Millions of people around the world have been begging for an independent investigation for almost 8 years now, and NOTHING has happened! They're not very good at bringing the Govenrnment down then are they!!!!It's a massive cover up you idiots!!! SOOOO FRUSTRATED AND SICK OF THE SHEEPLE! We are ALL being manipulated. Are you blind? Why don't you google ANY of these topics on any actual NEWS website and you will find NOTHING! It's a media blackout. Do your research!!
Anonymous | 4:05 p.m. April 8, 2009
From Australia; congtratulations Desert News, you are at least a
'NEWS'paper. The official Bush believer's conspiracy theory, that
19 Arabs did it has been purveyed by a corrupt corporate controlled media since
the event. Now, as the truth is being divulged by dedicated thinkers the
controlled mass media will have to explain their lies or just go broke.
The internet is the reason that the official conspircay theory has been seen to be nonsense. Just do your research people and overcome your state of denial. Governments have murdered their own people for the agenda of others for ions. Do a search of "false flag operations'.
Good to see some people in the US eventulally being informed, ask yourself; why has this taken so long?
Try 'patriotsquestion911.com', "political leaders for 911 truth, religiousleaders for 911 truth, medical professionals for 911 truth etc.
See ae911truth (Architects and engineers) and scrol to David Chandler's three part presentation under the heading "NIST admits freefall". Sorry people, but looking at how silly your NIST (your scientists!)people look, makes us, looking from the outside of your country, wonder how gullible and simple a once proud nation can be, your embarrasing.
The internet is the reason that the official conspircay theory has been seen to be nonsense. Just do your research people and overcome your state of denial. Governments have murdered their own people for the agenda of others for ions. Do a search of "false flag operations'.
Good to see some people in the US eventulally being informed, ask yourself; why has this taken so long?
Try 'patriotsquestion911.com', "political leaders for 911 truth, religiousleaders for 911 truth, medical professionals for 911 truth etc.
See ae911truth (Architects and engineers) and scrol to David Chandler's three part presentation under the heading "NIST admits freefall". Sorry people, but looking at how silly your NIST (your scientists!)people look, makes us, looking from the outside of your country, wonder how gullible and simple a once proud nation can be, your embarrasing.
Dany | 4:12 p.m. April 8, 2009
Sorry for previous post.... a little out of line. I must try to remember that
sadly this may be the FIRST thing some people have read about this, being that
is a more mainstream media. Please research this topic with an open mind. I
personally discovered the cover up only a few years ago, and I know how much it
can affect you when you realize you've had blind faith in our governments
for so long. When I read derogatory comments about 'truthers' I ask
myself this question. "Would the people who died in concentration camps
have once perhaps mocked their friends and family who told them they were
fleeing Germany, because they felt they knew what was coming?" I
don't want my friends, family or anyone to one day say, "if only I had
listened". This is the most important topic of your lifetime people! Do
not rely on the TV or print media. Investigate, investigate, investigate.
USA...USA...USA | 5:58 p.m. April 8, 2009
These twoofers just don't get it.
Obviously,all this paper shows is that Al Qeada has the capacity to nano engineer explosives while hiding out in caves and tribal regions,hating us for our freedom.
We have vastly under estimated Al Qeada's arsonal in their jihad.Before,we thought they just had some jungle gyms,machine guns,fire proof passports,video tapes and a dialysis machine for their elusive leader OBL.But this takes things to another level.
Obviously,all this paper shows is that Al Qeada has the capacity to nano engineer explosives while hiding out in caves and tribal regions,hating us for our freedom.
We have vastly under estimated Al Qeada's arsonal in their jihad.Before,we thought they just had some jungle gyms,machine guns,fire proof passports,video tapes and a dialysis machine for their elusive leader OBL.But this takes things to another level.
Aussie | 6:47 p.m. April 8, 2009
I gotta say well done to this US University for enabling their staff to produce
this on a technical level. Good stuff. Its what higger learnings is meant to do.
Right and/ or wrong.
Admittedly many of us outside of the US don't rate the intellect of Americans very highly. ie 2 planes hit 2 buildings but 3 buildings fall into their own footprint. (first time in history)
This guy does some pretty reasonable research, yet_he's_the freakazoid? okaaaay.
This is a good step towards recovering a reputation lose through the Bush years.
Admittedly many of us outside of the US don't rate the intellect of Americans very highly. ie 2 planes hit 2 buildings but 3 buildings fall into their own footprint. (first time in history)
This guy does some pretty reasonable research, yet_he's_the freakazoid? okaaaay.
This is a good step towards recovering a reputation lose through the Bush years.
Mr.G | 7:00 p.m. April 8, 2009
For Mr. Bray:
There is video of a top-down demolition posted on YouTube entitled "top down demolition" (or the same video entitled "Gambling barge goes 'kaboom' in Mississippi" is available on MSNBC; this monitored Website does not permit me to post here)
There is video of a top-down demolition posted on YouTube entitled "top down demolition" (or the same video entitled "Gambling barge goes 'kaboom' in Mississippi" is available on MSNBC; this monitored Website does not permit me to post here)
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1. A good possibility is not that there was a government conspiracy but that, since so many high-ranking officials wanted war, the government had no incentive to look for and prevent attacks.
2. I don't trust the sources for the WTC dust samples. Who are these people? Did they have access to thermite? What were their motives for saving the dust and turning it over to researchers?
3. Realistically, everything we know about the 911 attacks comes from the media,which probably got their information from the government. Given the way the government lied about the Iraq War, there is no reason to believe it told the truth about 911.
4. All the sources for information are therefore suspect and we must conclud that we simply don't know.
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