Deseret News | Traces of explosives in 9/11 dust, scientists say

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Traces of explosives in 9/11 dust, scientists say

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B. Roy 7 | 5:56 p.m. April 7, 2009

To the "bogus claims" and "poor truthers" gents who just claimed researching historical events like Sept. 11th is some Aryan Christian plot.

This so-called "socialist" from the "People's Republic of Portland, OR" wishes you guys would pick a side of the political spectrum to obtain your insults from and stick with it.

While Bush was still President, you guys called those who still want the criminal investigation into the events of Sept. 11th that has yet to happen socialists, communists, Stalinists, etc.

How come Obama gets elected and suddenly we're Aryan white supremacists? I can't tell you how shocked the African-American members of my family are going to be to find that out.

Spencer W. Morgan | 5:59 p.m. April 7, 2009

This evidence has been available for almost 2 years. What took so long Deseret News?

redbird98 | 6:13 p.m. April 7, 2009

Google: "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth"

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RANDKILLER | 6:20 p.m. April 7, 2009

professor steven jones is an american hero the caliber of george washington

bulletproof----the final smoking gun

911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB

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Stupid Is As... | 6:20 p.m. April 7, 2009

"Are you surprised? | 8:36 a.m. April 7, 2009
Would it really surprise you if Chenney and Bush did blow the towers to start another war for profit? The only companies that are not tanking right now are the war mongers. The evidence will keep coming out and hopefully we will watch Bush get the chair for treason...man that would leave me smiling for a decade."

There's no other way to say this....

you're an absolute idiot.

Explosions before the collapse | 6:26 p.m. April 7, 2009

The New York Times, Sept. 12, 2001, p. A7
"A Creeping Horror and Panicked Flight as Towers Burn, Then Slowly Fall, p. A7 (continued from p. A1)"
by N.R. Kleinfield

Police officers warned people in the vicinity to move north, that the buildings could fall, but most people found that unthinkable. They stayed put or gravitated closer.

Abruptly, there was an ear-splitting noise. The south tower shook, seemed to list in one direction and them (sic) began to come down, imploding upon itself.

"It looked like a demolition," said Andy Pollock.

"It started exploding," said Ross Milanytch, 57, who works at nearby Chase Manhattan Bank. "It was about the 70th floor. And each second another floor exploded out for about eight floors, before the cloud obscured it all."
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Cincy911 Truth | 6:33 p.m. April 7, 2009

Bogus Claims, you have no idea what you are talking about. Many, many first responders, survivors and other eyewitnesses all reported hearing and seeing explosions coming from all three WTC buildings (1, 2 and 7). Molten metal was found in the basement of all three buildings. All three buildings fell at near freefall speed therefore violating the physics Law of Conservation of Linear Momentum. Even NIST has admitted that WTC 7 fell at freefall speed for two seconds. Explain that one! All buildings collapsing completely downward symmetrically into the path of most resistance. Your comment of "too many people would have to be involved" doesn't address the traces of thermite or any of the above mentioned issues. You must explain those and not make up your own reasons based on ignorance! Check out Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth at www.AE911Truth(dot)org. Try something new and use your brain!!! LOL

John Bursill | 6:42 p.m. April 7, 2009

The people here that continue to attack the 9/11 Truth Movement should "get a life" and let them get there investigation.

I often wonder what it is that motivates these "name callers and deniers" to be so rude about the simple scientific endeavours of truth seekers? There is no doubt that the official effort has been pathetic as even the people doing the work are speaking out about how poor it has been.

Please you de-bunker's get out of our way and shut....... up unless you want to debate the science or you are simple delaying your own misery.

We are and will not be going away until we are imprisoned(that's what you would like) or recieve a criminal investigation, either way you are wasting your time. You show your complete stupidity by imaging that we will give up just as you think buildings turn to dust at free fall....lol...pathetic indeed. We are a little different to you....hello!

Congratulations to the Journal of 9/11 Studies and with 100+ papers now and they are on their way to uncovering this mystery and actually putting the terrorists in gaol.

Regards John Bursill

DSimmons | 6:45 p.m. April 7, 2009

It never ceases to amaze and distress me that so many seemingly intelligent people just close their minds to any thoughts that 9/11 did not happen the way our government has told us it happened. I am a physician married to an engineer and we both applaud the work of Dr. Jones along with David Ray Griffin and others who have looked into these events much more than our own government did. I firmly do not agree with what we have been told and deperately hope for the day when a truly investigative committee will be formed. I also am greatly saddened by those people who seek to demonize Dr. Jones and other so-called "truthers". I am a "truther" and proud of it and I am not a part of any fringe lunatic group.

Gretavo | 6:51 p.m. April 7, 2009

Excellent work by Dr. Jones et al. See also the over 600 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth at ae911truth.org.

Gretavo | 6:55 p.m. April 7, 2009

We who question are routinely told that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence all the while being told not to question the extraordinary events of 9/11the unprecedented explosive disintegration of three steel framed high rise buildings even though there is lacking in the official explanations any credible evidence for this being a chance result of two plane imapcts, let alone *extraordinary* evidence of this. Indeed, the NIST admits that it did not conduct a single test on the debris from the world trade center for traces of explosives or incendiaries like thermite even though these are prescribed in fire investigation manuals as essential to rule out arson. Why on earth not?

Absolutely shameful | 6:59 p.m. April 7, 2009

I cannot believe this.

The Deseret News - a once respectable institution - publishes the ravings of this crackpot without even BOTHERING to get an opposing view? No attempt to point out how absolutely insane all of this nonsense is?

I'm canceling my subscription tomorrow. I had subscribed to the paper version more to support the Deseret News than to read it - I still read it mostly online. But I absolutely cannot support an institution that puts out such bilge any longer.

Magnus | 7:08 p.m. April 7, 2009

excellent work!
the people have to awake, and stop believing propaganda

TWA 800 | 7:14 p.m. April 7, 2009

Nah, our government never lies or covers up the truth.

Remember that Boeing 747 that just "blew-up" in mid-air?

Remember the animated video the media showed over and over again to all the sheeple to explain the fire streaking upward seen by huundreds of eyewitnesses [including other pilots] was the doomed plane lurching upward as a result of lost weight in the front?

The laws of THIS universe don't work like that. Longitutinal Stablity. The wings would have folded instantly with that nose off, weight gone, and hundreds of thousands of tons of instant asymmetrical aerodynamic drag.

BTW, most people have long since forgetten that the "Video" was produced by the CIA., and NOT the NTSB nor the FBI. Go back and look at the credits. The CIA - our governement's Masters of cloak & dagger.

And at the time of 9/11 George Stephanopoulos commented on ABC during the live broadcast "..and my time at the White House was used in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing. In the aftermath of the TWA Flight 800 bombing..." - oops, gaff!!!~

Anonymous | 7:15 p.m. April 7, 2009

Its about time people research themselves what is not reported to you be main stream media.

Its about time people started to wake up.

For goodness sake - a number of the so called terrorists who supposed to have been in the planes, are alive and well ---- reported by the BBC and other sources, google it yourslves

Dany | 7:18 p.m. April 7, 2009

In regard to all of the derogatory comments made here about those who believe this is a cover up, it really begs the question... "If this is all such obvious lunacy, why are you spending your time reviewing it?".

To those of you who are part of the cover up, remember this beautiful and apt quote "There is no pillow so soft, as a clean conscience". Maybe you should try it some time.

Erik @ Sydney | 7:21 p.m. April 7, 2009

Finally Scientific research that has backed up eye witness reports of a designed demolition of the towers. There no room left for the deniers. Cold hard scientific research proves it now.

Anyone who denies the science must be suffering cognitive dissonance.

Congratulations to Desert News for reporting this ground breaking information.

Aroditis | 7:27 p.m. April 7, 2009

heh... I see the nutjob deniers are really busy on this site. They DENY that its an inside job. When evidence suggests other... They DENY prior explosions when evidence suggests other... One person above called them shills... a more apt term might be 'shrills', as they yell and scream 'Don't look folks!!" Prof. Jones, in my opinion does follow any one line of reasoning as to 'who did it'. He distanced himself from that several years ago when it became clear that certain persons were out for personal gain. He now persues a strict point of 'what was there and why' research, and I applaud him for it.

May the 'chips' fall where they will... (/sarcasm)

Arod

Wow | 7:28 p.m. April 7, 2009

I have already begun talking favorably about Deseret News for printing this. I have emailed friends about this news article, and in each email I mentioned Deseret News in a favorable context.

News should not be about telling everyone only what they wish to hear. It should also contain truth.

People continue to criticize without addressing the scientific paper specifically.

Specific criticisms of the scientific paper have been responded to very cogently by Professor Jones on other blogs. Thanks to Professor Jones for doing so.

tanabear | 7:37 p.m. April 7, 2009

I wonder how many people here attacking the 9/11 Truth Movement actually know what the official explanation is for the destruction of WTC1,2? If they did know they would probably stop believing in it, because most people don't want to admit they believe something so stupid.

None of comments here have addressed the findings of the paper. All the arguments have merely been moral outrage and personal incredulity. This appears to be the only "evidence" the believers in the official conspiracy theory have.

Joe Sixpack | 7:42 p.m. April 7, 2009

Thanks for the fair handed reporting on the excellent paper by professor Jones, et al.

Ive noticed that many of the people speaking negatively about the these scientists, or the journal they chose to publish their work, etc have not actually addressed any of the points made in the paper.

Personal attacks do not a good argument make.

Delena | 7:56 p.m. April 7, 2009

Thank you for publishing this extremely important work that Dr Jones is doing. The vitriolic reactions by Truth deniers are understandable. No-one likes being lied to and worse realising that they have fallen for the lie. They remind me of the crowd watching the naked Emperor in the fabled tale, who vilify the young boy who dares to speak the truth. It makes them confront their own foolishness.
The facts are there for all to see if you wish to look.

Dean Jackson | 8:23 p.m. April 7, 2009

For those of you who believe the government's account of what transpired on 9/11, ask yourself this revealing question: Where are the media interviews with Boston Logan, Newark and Dulles airport employees where those employees describe their impressions of the 19 hijackers?

The answer to that question is that there were no such media interviews, because the 19 hijackers weren't at those airports.

Now maybe you can understand why the 9/11 Truth Movement exists.

zica | 8:28 p.m. April 7, 2009

Thanks to DesNews.

Where are the scientific published criticisms of the last 3 published papers on which Dr. Jones has been an author?

So far, the criticism of this paper has consisted of rude comments from childish folks who are upset at anyone questioning authority.

To those folks: The only way you'll feel any better is to take an honest look at the topic and become part of the discovery of the facts.

kameelyun | 8:37 p.m. April 7, 2009

Thank you so much Dr. Jones and crew for this breakthrough moment in 9/11 research. The anti-truthers are indeed showing their desperation now.

"Absolutely Shameful": Rather than cancel your subscription tomorrow, I suggest you renew it. In the past, mainstream media outlets have almost always ridiculed 9/11 truth, and in doing so has always resorted to insults, ad hominem arguments and straw man fallacies. In other words, a fair look at both sides is what all the OTHER papers are guilty of, not Desert News. The simple fact is, residue of high grade explosive material has been found here, and frankly, there is no opposing view to that. The "opposing view" you wish the article had presented would have essentially been the equivalent of "I'm Dr. Smith and I disagree with Dr. Williams. I boldly assert that 2 + 2 = 5." Because that's what we're talking about here.

For those new to this topic, I suggest you google the following [fill in the blank]'s for 9/11 truth: Architects & Engineers, Pilots, Veterans, Political Leaders, Medical Professionals. Finally watch the new film "Core of Corruption" (on google) for the best compilation of evidence yet.

dave | 9:17 p.m. April 7, 2009

Superb work, Prof. Jones!
The conclusion is irrefutable - unreacted explosives
are found in the dust of the WTC. There is no other
explanation other than the towers were brought down
by explosive demolition (after all).

The "debunkers" have nothing to offer - except to
deny. Unless they can publish a peer-reviewed
account refuting the nano-thermite, the 9/11 Truth
movement has won the debate.

Press for a new investigation, insist on subpoena
powers, find the suspects, have them questioned assemble a grand jury, and begin prosecuting.

This WILL happen. It is only a matter of time now.

sewalkie | 9:25 p.m. April 7, 2009

Steven Jones is an American Hero. He and his team have gone through a very tough and thorough process to get this evidence presented in and peer reviewed. Keep the faith and the truth will prevail.

I believe | 10:59 p.m. April 7, 2009

I believe that they should look into the design of those three buildings to find out what made two of them explode and disintegrate and the three of them fall straight down. If Doctor Jones is wrong then a lot of lives and mess could be saved during earthquakes.

MG | 11:11 p.m. April 7, 2009

9/11 Truth

Says Who? | 11:23 p.m. April 7, 2009

Wow | 5:49 p.m. April 7, 2009
This is Responsible reporting. Not printing this article puts us at greater risk for continuation of dishonestly started wars in the Middle East.

It appears that approximately a million people have been killed by us in Iraq alone. It should be known if this is being done for a "justifiable" reason or not. Further, for the sake of national security, we need to know if our government has been honest about 911 and the recent wars in the Middle East.

Do you really want a (U.S.) government that might be willing to enable a "911" in our own country?"

No, I do not want a government capable of committing a "9-11" in our country, but then again, WHO SAYS WE'VE GOT ONE?????????????

Wow | 11:51 p.m. April 7, 2009

To: Says Who?:

If the paper by Jones et al is correct--and you have done nothing to demonstrate it isn't--this calls into question our government's account of what happened, and may answer the question of why they have repeatedly failed to test for incendiaries in the 911-WTC debris.

I am speaking in the subjunctive (and conditional). But I repeat, if the paper by Jones et al is correct, we have incendiaries and/or explosives in the debris.

Does this not disturb you?

I would like to know the truth. Why not favor a new INDEPENDENT investigation (or better, several INDEPENDENT investigations)? I would like to know what happened, and who did it.

Thank You Dr. Jones | 12:37 a.m. April 8, 2009

Thank you Dr. Jones. There are many who can not see beyond what they see on TV and hear on the radio. There is so much evidence it is sickening. The right crisis is always created. There is a great video on youtube called the Obama Deception. People can believe there is no conspiracy all they want. It does not change history and history always sadly repeats itself, because we say it could never happen here.

Anonymous | 1:09 a.m. April 8, 2009

For those who disagree with what Dr. Jones published, here is what you need to do;

1- Read his paper (and other related work) very carefully.
2- Right down where you think he made mistakes.
3- Go the lab and conduct experiments to prove that he made these mistakes.
4- Write a scientific paper showing your results and submit it for publication.

This is how it works. I am sure that the Dr. Jones will appreciate your efforts and he will be glad to hear from you.

Be objective in your judgment and avoiding being subjective.

Adam Weishaupt | 3:05 a.m. April 8, 2009

WTC 7 WAS IMPLODED or American building construction is very SUSPECT.As towers collapsed in near free fall time TONS OF MATERIAL INCLUDING CONCRETE WAS PULVERISED TO POWDER.TRY IT SOMETIME.
YOU ALSO CANNOT REFUTE PROVEN LAWS OF FALLING BODIES-- SIR ISAAC NEWTON & GALILEO.
Wake up from your slumber & use your common sense.
CAVEAT REDEMPTOR

jeffie | 3:14 a.m. April 8, 2009

Calling this a "conspiracy theory" is just an intellectual cop-out. Only a Cointelpro officer or a genuine moron would call this a "conspiracy theory". Thanks Desert News. If I was in the states I'd support the people that report this stuff.

Sitting-Bull | 5:01 a.m. April 8, 2009

@ Mark

could the terrorists on the planes have been carrying any explosives with them?

No, one can estimate the amount of superthermite that was required to archieve the amount of also found iron-rich microspherules, otherwise than superthermite reactions only found at locations with massive steel melting or volcano eruptions. You need tons of this stuff. The consistent findings in all the specimens suggest it was the destruction of the towers and no other source. Besides that it is the nano-sol-gel structure of the red-grey chips, that implies a high-tech level of manufacturing simple terrorists could not archieve. How could it be placed? I don't know- but to claim it is impossible and therefore to reject the evidence is not a scientific method. Maybe it was indeed covered as paint in the renewal during the late 90'ties.
Follow the research Jim Hoffman on this topic.

Dominic | 5:16 a.m. April 8, 2009

This must be known to every human being on this planet.
Email everyone and let them know about this article.
The "critics", or should I say "people who shout and deny without looking at anything" can obviously do nothing other than make low-intelligence personal attacks. If Steven Jones and his crew didn't do what they do, they would be concidered cowards, like the people attacking and trying to silence them.
If you have the power to stand up, you have the responsibility. And since they are specialists in the scientific area, they have the responsibility.
And WE, that is YOU and I have the responsibility to look for ourselves. At least at the aspects our intellect and education can comprehend.
And there are plenty of those. I will be looking forward to a peer-reviewed response, IF one will ever appear...
Still waiting for peer-reviewed responses for the "14 points of agreement" and "Environmental Anomalies" papers...
The idiotic personal attacks seems like a desperate attempt to discredit even the scientific peer-review process...
Come on guys... Don't you want to know the truth?
The truth fears no questions !

Reputable Source | 5:19 a.m. April 8, 2009

Well it's a good thing that the dust samples came from a trusted, reputable source - some dude on the Brooklyn Bridge. Seems like a conspiracy within the search for a conspiracy.

Name-O | 5:28 a.m. April 8, 2009

Dr Jones & co and Deseret:
Great job, we're behind you all the way ...

Dont worry what the shills n sheeple type !

Peer Review | 5:42 a.m. April 8, 2009

As reported, this article by Dr. Steven Jones was published in a PEER REVIEW JOURNAL. If anyone knows anything about science, peer review is when the article meticulously reviewed by other scientific professionals. I have had a physics professor tell me, in the past, that Dr. Jones' theories are not true because he was unable to get his previous claims published in peer review journals. Well now he has done that and thus many other "professionals" have said that it is a worthy article.
That being said, as reported, Dr. Jones hasn't determined the source of the explosive materials and he or others may never be able to find the source. However, it does bring up many questions that NEED to be answered by our government. Now it really looks like FEMA has covered up at least one truth and who knows how many others!!!! WE should DEMAND answers from our government instead of being complacent and letting the government do whatever they please with innocent lives. Plus, how many soldiers have we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan to try to defend against this so called terrorism? It's sickening!!!!!

Only Two Ways | 6:27 a.m. April 8, 2009

There are two, and ONLY two, ways that the twin towers did not "fall over" when they collapsed.

One: They were demolished by a team of experts so good that they can make 110 stories fall into a few acres of ground.

Two: They were caused to collapse in their own footprint by a provident God who wanted to minimize the damage to innocent people from a despicable act.

Take your pick, you can't believe both.

Plaintiff | 6:40 a.m. April 8, 2009

This scientific paper creates enormous exposure for individuals involved in the plot. They over insured and then profited from the collapse. Finding relief via civil litigation may be an option.

OutofDaBox | 6:53 a.m. April 8, 2009

Doesn't matter if the towers were blown up or not. The leader of our military failed to protect our country from an "attack". Bush and Cheney should both have been fired that day for failure to perform their must fundamental duty of being guardians of our country. We have the world's best air force, the best electronic monitoring equipment, etc. For the idiots in charge of our security to not have used the world's best technology to have prevented this "attack" is totally inexcusable and I for one would support any congress critter that puts forth a bill stating that in the event of a failure of this magnitude, the first thing that happens is the Commander in Chief gets relieved of his post. If I were in the military (and I was once) I would not follow a single order given by such a proven failed leader.

Getting Closer | 7:43 a.m. April 8, 2009

If/when it is proven that 911 was an inside job (and we are getting closer to absolute definitive proof every day), this will represent the most significant case of treason in the history of the United States. For this reason alone, we can be sure the perpetrators will do everything within their powers to stop the forward movement of the 911 truth movement. We need to be prepared for everything.

Dr. Steven Jones | 7:53 a.m. April 8, 2009

Many excellent comments.

I see that many are actually starting to read the peer-reviewed paper in the Open Chemical Physics Journal. That is what will convince people, I believe -- hard, physical evidence such as we have brought forth.

Suggest the doubters/mockers look at Fig. 29 in particular. When you understand that, you will see that we have explosive evidence!

Richard | 8:04 a.m. April 8, 2009

Those who support Jones and his co-authors merely ask for a real investigation. Most of those who oppose Jones resort to personal attacks without even commenting on the substantive issues. They are trying to intimidate people into silence.

We must address this issue: questioning 9/11 is often smeared a anti-Semitic. Why should questioning my own government have anything to do with Judaism? If Israel was involved, that fact would damn a few political and military leaders who happen to be part of the Israeli government. Such a fact would say nothing about Israelis outside the government, and certainly nothing about the Jewish people.

Jack | 8:06 a.m. April 8, 2009

"Well it's a good thing that the dust samples came from a trusted, reputable source - some dude on the Brooklyn Bridge. Seems like a conspiracy within the search for a conspiracy."

- disinformation

read the paper - there were 4 separate sources for samples.

Prufrock | 8:17 a.m. April 8, 2009

I guess it's a little like discovering your parents actually did "THAT" in order to affect your existence.

These commenters i.e. Bogus Claims, Poor "truthers", Please,truthers, Bystander, Before you accuse BYU, Vin Deesul etc. need to start serving their country instead of serving the vestigial Bush Cheney criminal legacy.

9/11 was probably an inside job.

Learn the facts.
Find someone who's turning.
And you will come around.

InformedDissent | 8:32 a.m. April 8, 2009

"Don't believe it" said:

>Mormon's are viewed as crazy enough already and when >a man is put in the national spotlight for accusing >his own government of killing 3000 people you can >see why they would want to distance themselves.

Knock the guy's religion all you want, it doesn't prove his research is invalid. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. You act like it's impossible for the US Government to have done something like this. For starters, Google up the declassified info on the Pearl Harbor attack. Read how they knew about the attack days in advance and intentionally did not warn people, sacrificing thousands to furnish an excuse to get into the war with Germany via Japan. (sound familiar?) You have your head in the sand if you think the US Government has ANY problem killing its own people to start a good war for profit.

This demands a new investigation | 9:13 a.m. April 8, 2009

This published and peer researched paper by Dr. Jones et al clearly demonstrates the need for a new investigation of the crimes committed on 9/11.

The writer of this article is to be commended for putting it out, and the editors for supporting its publication.

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