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Bogus Claims | 7:23 a.m. April 7, 2009
The string of events required to pull this off is ludicrous. The buildings did
not collapse from the bottom up like a building being demolished. They
collapsed from the top, precisely where the planes hit. There were no
explosions immediately preceding the collapse caught on any of the many videos
being recorded of the event or seen by any of thousands of eye witnesses. There
were no explosions heard or similar sounds recorded. There are no eyewitness
accounts of explosive sounds immediately preceding the collapses, despite
thousands of eyewitnesses in close proximity to the site. If you watch the
video footage, the collapse doesn't start below the entry wound, but right
at it. So any government co-conspiritors would have needed to know exactly
which floors the planes were going to hit. They would have had to pull off
perfectly executed plans 3x that morning in the face of complete chaos.
While I think it is reasonable to ask scientific questions about the event to help us understand what actually happened that morning, this guy's theories cross the line and are more "crackpot" than likely. BYU made the right decision in letting this guy go...
While I think it is reasonable to ask scientific questions about the event to help us understand what actually happened that morning, this guy's theories cross the line and are more "crackpot" than likely. BYU made the right decision in letting this guy go...
Good article | 7:27 a.m. April 7, 2009
Thanks for the fair reporting.
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perplexed | 7:31 a.m. April 7, 2009
I have always been flumoxed at how boldly the majority of people ignore the
evidence that this was some kind of inside job.
Jones analogy to being like Gallileo is apropriate. To believe that airplanes brought any of the three of those buildings down in their own footprints is akin to believing the universe revolves around the earth.
Jones analogy to being like Gallileo is apropriate. To believe that airplanes brought any of the three of those buildings down in their own footprints is akin to believing the universe revolves around the earth.
todd | 7:38 a.m. April 7, 2009
Get a life people!
Poor "truthers" | 7:53 a.m. April 7, 2009
You are correct, Bogus Claims.
I actually feel sorry for the "truthers", people who can be so easily swayed that even in the face of reality, they will follow the mentally ill.
At least they're keeping track of themselves for us, because *they* are the true dangers to the US.
If you think about it, the "truthers" are much like Timothy McVeigh: right-wing zealots fed by Aryan Christianity and hate talkers who will do anything to bring down the United States.
I actually feel sorry for the "truthers", people who can be so easily swayed that even in the face of reality, they will follow the mentally ill.
At least they're keeping track of themselves for us, because *they* are the true dangers to the US.
If you think about it, the "truthers" are much like Timothy McVeigh: right-wing zealots fed by Aryan Christianity and hate talkers who will do anything to bring down the United States.
Please, truthers | 7:57 a.m. April 7, 2009
If you're attempting to look all "scientific" and
"smart", PLEASE learn proper English grammar and spelling. It's
also important to know how many buildings were hit by the airplanes, how many
people died, the chemical composition of everything that was legally stored in
those buildings, and what could have been stored anywhere else.
Thinkin' Man | 8:08 a.m. April 7, 2009
This is an excellent example of junk science: develop a conclusion, then search
for evidence to support it. The scientific method is upside-down here, and that
means the conclusions cannot be trusted.
The conspiracy theory is, like all conspiracy theories, literally unbelievable.
The conspiracy theory is, like all conspiracy theories, literally unbelievable.
Im with todd | 8:28 a.m. April 7, 2009
Get a live people accept what you have been told and stop trying to think for
yourself.
Are you surprised? | 8:36 a.m. April 7, 2009
Would it really surprise you if Chenney and Bush did blow the towers to start
another war for profit? The only companies that are not tanking right now are
the war mongers. The evidence will keep coming out and hopefully we will watch
Bush get the chair for treason...man that would leave me smiling for a decade.
Rick | 8:48 a.m. April 7, 2009
Thanks for the reporting.
I am a veteran USAF Boeing mechanic and 25+ year Boeing Engineer in Seattle. We've known all along that airplanes alone could not do all this.
If you want further evidence of a conspiracies;
the July 17, 1996 accident of TWA flight 800 fuel tank just blowing up in mid-air by itself is another perfect example of government cover-up.
If someone spills a cup of coffee, Boeing will immediately re-design the coffee holder. To avoid ANY and ALL liability.
But, if a supposed fuel tank blows-up, that same design is in thousands and thousands of other airplanes world wide.
FYI, not a single thing has been done to re-design or fix any of them, because that never was the problem.
I am a veteran USAF Boeing mechanic and 25+ year Boeing Engineer in Seattle. We've known all along that airplanes alone could not do all this.
If you want further evidence of a conspiracies;
the July 17, 1996 accident of TWA flight 800 fuel tank just blowing up in mid-air by itself is another perfect example of government cover-up.
If someone spills a cup of coffee, Boeing will immediately re-design the coffee holder. To avoid ANY and ALL liability.
But, if a supposed fuel tank blows-up, that same design is in thousands and thousands of other airplanes world wide.
FYI, not a single thing has been done to re-design or fix any of them, because that never was the problem.
Ralph Hughes | 8:56 a.m. April 7, 2009
There is much more evidence than just what Professor Jones presents that 911 was
a false flag operation, as I believed it was from Day One. It shouldn't
take a rocket scientist to figure out that it the planes alone did not bring the
buildings down. A career as an engineer with jet engines was enough for me.
Bystander | 9:05 a.m. April 7, 2009
For me it goes to show how poor of an education you really get while at BYU.
Here's a free thinker, one that is willing to give his insights through his
research. He is willing to assess a situation without bias and he gets canned
for it. Now theres some evidence, albeit preliminary and questionable that
helps to back up his theories. I personally dont believe in a major conspiracy
on this, however I havent done any research on the matter so who am I to
discredit a person who has? A real education teaches you to do research, due
diligence, and decipher life and science for what it is. BYU is not education;
it is indoctrination, there's a big difference. I love my religion but I
despise that school.
Before you accuse BYU | 9:47 a.m. April 7, 2009
You better take a closer look and Bentham Open Access.
A quick google on Bentham Open Journal and Bentham Science uncovered a thread at Yale about some disreputable behavior of Bentham, specifically regarding their open access journals. Beware of terms like "peer reviewed." There is enough evidence to put Bentham peer review up there with Wikipedia.
I think the science discoveries are notewrothy and should be further examined. But given the amount of research to the contrary. Nobody should be concluding inside job on this or jumping on BYU for their actions. Publication in Bentham OA journals is a far cry from other science publications.
We need to really check our sources these days as both readers and writers of news. Jarvik may have moved a little too quickly on this by not seeing an alternative viewpoint in her authoring of this piece.
A quick google on Bentham Open Journal and Bentham Science uncovered a thread at Yale about some disreputable behavior of Bentham, specifically regarding their open access journals. Beware of terms like "peer reviewed." There is enough evidence to put Bentham peer review up there with Wikipedia.
I think the science discoveries are notewrothy and should be further examined. But given the amount of research to the contrary. Nobody should be concluding inside job on this or jumping on BYU for their actions. Publication in Bentham OA journals is a far cry from other science publications.
We need to really check our sources these days as both readers and writers of news. Jarvik may have moved a little too quickly on this by not seeing an alternative viewpoint in her authoring of this piece.
airplane mechanic | 9:52 a.m. April 7, 2009
Sorry, but being a Boeing engineer or an airplane mechanic doe NOT qualify one
to know how a specific building's design, construction, and materials will
react when said airplane hits it, any more than knowing how to change my
car's oil qualifies me to analyze the stresses on a span bridge due to
wind, waves, or a semi-truck. Get real. And being a BYU professor doesn't
qualify someone to know that the Government has obviously conspired in this, nor
does getting something published in a peer reviewed journal or conference mean
that it is correct. I have several peer-reviewed publications. It means very
little, other than you presented an idea and showed what you believe supports
your idea, whether right or wrong. Many times peer-reviewed publications are
later found to be completely wrong.
As suspected | 10:07 a.m. April 7, 2009
To: Bogus Claims, and anyone who supports his/her point of view
[Quote]There were no explosions immediately preceding the collapse caught on any of the many videos being recorded of the event or seen by any of thousands of eye witnesses. There were no explosions heard or similar sounds recorded...[quote]
I HAVE seen a video of firefighters helping people getting away from ground zero as explosions at ground level were heard, and heard witness (including police and firefighters)testimony, particularly those in hospitals say that AFTER the planes hit, they heard explosions.
So, the fact that you haven't seen or heard these things does not make it fact. Would you mind, then, explaining for us all how 7 went down without a plane hitting it... on the same day, within HOURS of the other two towers? It was a planned demolition, that NO ONE knew about? Don't you think that in all of the mayhem of 9/11 with the two towers they would have called that off? Get your head out of the sand.
[Quote]There were no explosions immediately preceding the collapse caught on any of the many videos being recorded of the event or seen by any of thousands of eye witnesses. There were no explosions heard or similar sounds recorded...[quote]
I HAVE seen a video of firefighters helping people getting away from ground zero as explosions at ground level were heard, and heard witness (including police and firefighters)testimony, particularly those in hospitals say that AFTER the planes hit, they heard explosions.
So, the fact that you haven't seen or heard these things does not make it fact. Would you mind, then, explaining for us all how 7 went down without a plane hitting it... on the same day, within HOURS of the other two towers? It was a planned demolition, that NO ONE knew about? Don't you think that in all of the mayhem of 9/11 with the two towers they would have called that off? Get your head out of the sand.
Argument is good | 11:22 a.m. April 7, 2009
For "bogus claims" and "poor truthers", name calling is not
a substitute for an argument.
WTC 7 was not impacted by an airliner, but collapsed at freefall speeds symmetrically onto its own footprint. From the paper talked about here, the red/gray material discovered in the dust from the WTC was identical in thermitic behavior and composition to nanothermites. Molten steel was observed many times immediately prior to the collapse and for weeks following the collapse, but a jet-fuel fire, especially fuel rich as the WTC was, does not reach temperatures required to melt steel. Claims that this was aluminum do not stack up, as aluminum maintains a silvery white color while molten. The "poor truthers" have asked NIST for empirical evidence that supports the idea that the WTC was brought down by jet liners alone. So far, there has been none.
WTC 7 was not impacted by an airliner, but collapsed at freefall speeds symmetrically onto its own footprint. From the paper talked about here, the red/gray material discovered in the dust from the WTC was identical in thermitic behavior and composition to nanothermites. Molten steel was observed many times immediately prior to the collapse and for weeks following the collapse, but a jet-fuel fire, especially fuel rich as the WTC was, does not reach temperatures required to melt steel. Claims that this was aluminum do not stack up, as aluminum maintains a silvery white color while molten. The "poor truthers" have asked NIST for empirical evidence that supports the idea that the WTC was brought down by jet liners alone. So far, there has been none.
Brigham | 11:34 a.m. April 7, 2009
This is as true as Book of Mormon Archaeology and our Sun reflecting light from
Kolob. Stupidity knows no bounds and fools will believe anything that someone in
a position of authority tells them.
Jerry Fletcher | 11:52 a.m. April 7, 2009
re: Thinkin' Man | 8:08 a.m. April 7, 2009
>>The conspiracy theory is, like all conspiracy theories, literally unbelievable<<
The best conspiracies are the hardest to prove and like the best lies have enough truth in them to obfuscate the issue even more.
I, personally, have a hard time believing the theory put forth by the former BYU Prof or what the alleged truth is/was. As John LeCarre implied in "Absolute Friends"; the Islamic Radicals & Neocons/evangelical right are 2 horses out of the same stable.
The thing that troubles me is how did they know to hit the part of the pentagon that had just barely been reinforced?? It may not be the burning of the Reichstag but it was the catalyst for what became 7.5 yrs of terrible foreign policy.
>>The conspiracy theory is, like all conspiracy theories, literally unbelievable<<
The best conspiracies are the hardest to prove and like the best lies have enough truth in them to obfuscate the issue even more.
I, personally, have a hard time believing the theory put forth by the former BYU Prof or what the alleged truth is/was. As John LeCarre implied in "Absolute Friends"; the Islamic Radicals & Neocons/evangelical right are 2 horses out of the same stable.
The thing that troubles me is how did they know to hit the part of the pentagon that had just barely been reinforced?? It may not be the burning of the Reichstag but it was the catalyst for what became 7.5 yrs of terrible foreign policy.
Mark | 12:08 p.m. April 7, 2009
The author of the article doesn't seem to make an attempt to interview any
scientists who might be able to offer alternative explanations for the thermite
particles (could the terrorists on the planes have been carrying any explosives
with them?). This essentially leaves the reader with the sole conclusion that
the only explanation is another George Bush is Dr. Evil bent on world domination
conspiracy theory.
Despite what you see on "24", I have a hard time believing that we have the requisite number of people in the government needed to carry out such a vast conspiracy who are also willing to kill thousands of innocent Americans and then stay silent for years to come.
Despite what you see on "24", I have a hard time believing that we have the requisite number of people in the government needed to carry out such a vast conspiracy who are also willing to kill thousands of innocent Americans and then stay silent for years to come.
re: i'm with Todd | 12:58 p.m. April 7, 2009
Are you serious? Stop thinking for yourself and just accept what you have been
told? That is by far the scariest comment I have ever read by anyone! EVER!
Copernicus | 12:59 p.m. April 7, 2009
Dr. Jones is indeed the closest thing we've had to Galileo in 400 years.
WTC 7 = Moons of Jupiter
WTC 7 = Moons of Jupiter
Dr. Jones' Original Paper | 1:00 p.m. April 7, 2009
I read most of Dr. Jones' original paper which is a good starting point for
asking the right questions about what really happened on 911. There is ample
evidence for anyone willing to look at it that the official explanation of
events on 9/11 is not correct. This short Deseret News article barely even
scratches the surface. Is this the best this publication can do? It seems
"a day late and a dollar short." If the editors at the Deseret News
really wanted to get to the bottom of this they could. Which begs the question,
"Why haven't they?" Why have hardly any mainstream media sources
really asked the tough probing questions?
By the way, as a BYU graduate let me just say that Dr. Jones seems to me an honorable man. It seems it was a political decision to fire him. Let that be a lesson to anyone who dares question the official explanation.
By the way, as a BYU graduate let me just say that Dr. Jones seems to me an honorable man. It seems it was a political decision to fire him. Let that be a lesson to anyone who dares question the official explanation.
Conspiracy Here or There? | 1:31 p.m. April 7, 2009
Those of you who support Dr. Jones' work, do you also support the work of
other professors fired by BYU Administrators?
Dr. Jeffrey Nielsen?
Dr. Cecilia Konchar Farr?
Dr. Darron T. Smith?
Dr. D. Michael Quinn?
If the US Government can carry out such a conspiracy as a "false flag" destruction of the WTC Towers, then why is it unbelievable that the LDS Church Leaders are carrying out a conspiracy to rule the world? (see Charles L. Wood, Author of The Mormon Conspiracy")
Dr. Jeffrey Nielsen?
Dr. Cecilia Konchar Farr?
Dr. Darron T. Smith?
Dr. D. Michael Quinn?
If the US Government can carry out such a conspiracy as a "false flag" destruction of the WTC Towers, then why is it unbelievable that the LDS Church Leaders are carrying out a conspiracy to rule the world? (see Charles L. Wood, Author of The Mormon Conspiracy")
Re:airplane mechanic 9:52 | 2:39 p.m. April 7, 2009
I never said I knew anything about building construction...Did I?
That was your own presumption.
What I said was there is far more happening than meets the eye. WE are supppose to have a free press to ; Prove ALL things, and hold fast to that which is good.
Freedom of the press can be controlled by government censorship and false information.
And if we are lulled into a false sense of security that America is rid of Gadiantons -- we've completely missed the warnings from the BoM.
That was your own presumption.
What I said was there is far more happening than meets the eye. WE are supppose to have a free press to ; Prove ALL things, and hold fast to that which is good.
Freedom of the press can be controlled by government censorship and false information.
And if we are lulled into a false sense of security that America is rid of Gadiantons -- we've completely missed the warnings from the BoM.
Cheryl | 3:09 p.m. April 7, 2009
Another thank you to the author and this publication for the fair reporting on
this critical issue. This is pure science, not conjecture. The meticulous work
of Jones et al deserves our full attention, to say the least.
Just so you know | 3:13 p.m. April 7, 2009
There are LOTS of peer reviewed journals that publish absolutely terrible
research. Just because an "academic" publishes "scientific
research" in a "peer reviewed" journal doesn't mean it has
any shred of truth in it. There are a LOT of ways to strategically manipulate
data collection and data analysis techniques to get results that appear to
confirm your ideas. So before you buy into this article, make sure you read the
article and critique the methodological rigor with which the study was
conducted.
interesting | 4:04 p.m. April 7, 2009
according to the paper, the "red-gray" chips contain nano-engineered
aluminum and iron, and produce iron microspheres at 430 C when heated in a DSC;
iron melts at 1400 C, so this indicates an intense, heat-producing chemical
reaction was occurring. Some have claimed, without evidence, that these chips
are "paint"; no ordinary paint has iron, or produces a reaction like
this. In addition, according to Sec. 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, the towers came
down "essentially in free fall" and the 80-95 stories of structure
below provided "minimal resistance" to the 30-15 stories on top- how
can this be? Unless, of course, they were being removed by controlled
demolition. NIST did not analyze the actual "global collapse"; only
the "initiation". And it did not test for explosive residues- despite
at least 118 first responders being on record testifying to explosive events, in
the oral histories released to the NY Times. In addition, pics and videos show
the towers turning into rapidly inflating clouds of dust- that is sufficient by
itself to disprove the "collapse" notion.
Concerned Citizen | 4:31 p.m. April 7, 2009
Supporters of the official 911 conspiracy theory will not convert or stop the
911 Truthers with their current approach. Their only hope to make any headway is
to present what they regard as the definitive proof that the official 911
conspiracy theory is true. Once this is done, then they will be on solid ground
and in a position to convert people to their position.
irresponsible reporting | 4:34 p.m. April 7, 2009
I can't believe the D. News would publish this and not interview a single
expert for an opposing view. Far right wing and far left wing cultish people
believe this junk science and I think it puts us at risk for Timothy Mcveigh
like violence. It's irresponsible to only report one side of almost any
issue, especially one as sensitive as this with such outrageous, politically
preposterous claims. The politics and science simply don't add up.
Dont believe it | 4:34 p.m. April 7, 2009
You cannot blame BYU for firing this guy. it's a PR move. Mormon's
are viewed as crazy enough already and when a man is put in the national
spotlight for accusing his own government of killing 3000 people you can see why
they would want to distance themselves. i've seen a lot of professors in
the news getting fired or "retiring" when they get negative attention
about something. Even if they believed him they still wouldn't want him
there
StraitArrow | 4:42 p.m. April 7, 2009
Thanks for the fair reporting of this significant scientific paper.
I have read the paper, I have a PhD in physics also, and I find that it presents compelling results for the presence of explosive material in abundance in the World Trade Center.
Frankly, I am appalled by those here who criticize the paper without even reading it!
Prof. Niels Harrit is the FIRST author and Dr. Jeffrey Farrer of the BYU Physics Dept. is the SECOND author... Aren't you curious who the other authors are?
Google on Harrit Bentham Science and you can find out and read the paper. Get informed FIRST then see what you say!
Again, I have done this and find the science to be very well done. Kudos to the authors for this in-depth study of the WTC dust and for having the courage to report what they found.
I have read the paper, I have a PhD in physics also, and I find that it presents compelling results for the presence of explosive material in abundance in the World Trade Center.
Frankly, I am appalled by those here who criticize the paper without even reading it!
Prof. Niels Harrit is the FIRST author and Dr. Jeffrey Farrer of the BYU Physics Dept. is the SECOND author... Aren't you curious who the other authors are?
Google on Harrit Bentham Science and you can find out and read the paper. Get informed FIRST then see what you say!
Again, I have done this and find the science to be very well done. Kudos to the authors for this in-depth study of the WTC dust and for having the courage to report what they found.
ROBinDALLAS | 4:47 p.m. April 7, 2009
Thanks to Deseret News for the fair treatment of this important story.
And howdy to all the shills and sheeple over by the KoolAid Stand.
And howdy to all the shills and sheeple over by the KoolAid Stand.
Vin Deesul | 4:49 p.m. April 7, 2009
Have any of you whacko conspiracy theorists ever actually FLOWN in an
airplane?????
In order for this conspiracy to have worked, the pilots of these planes would have had to target a specific floor (what? about 10 feet tall?) and hit it with such precision so that the alleged detonations of pre-placed explosives would discharge at precisely the location of the plane's impact, and then all the other explosions would have had to occur in perfect synchronization all the way down in order to give the illusion that the top floors were merely crumbling on the lower ones.
As for the witnesses hearing "explosions", have you ever heard something like a huge chunk of concrete dropped down an elevator shaft? When the towers were coming down, I'm sure there were a LOT of VERY LOUD noises that sounded like bombs exploding.
You people are absolutely off your rockers! To preserve what is left of the good name of BYU, administrators did the right thing to get rid of this wacked out freakazoid masquerading as a professor!
In order for this conspiracy to have worked, the pilots of these planes would have had to target a specific floor (what? about 10 feet tall?) and hit it with such precision so that the alleged detonations of pre-placed explosives would discharge at precisely the location of the plane's impact, and then all the other explosions would have had to occur in perfect synchronization all the way down in order to give the illusion that the top floors were merely crumbling on the lower ones.
As for the witnesses hearing "explosions", have you ever heard something like a huge chunk of concrete dropped down an elevator shaft? When the towers were coming down, I'm sure there were a LOT of VERY LOUD noises that sounded like bombs exploding.
You people are absolutely off your rockers! To preserve what is left of the good name of BYU, administrators did the right thing to get rid of this wacked out freakazoid masquerading as a professor!
Buface | 4:54 p.m. April 7, 2009
Did someone say Gadiantons? Oh yeah those guys who through fraud, seduction and
murder gained contol over an ancient American govt', then used thier power
to murder and get gain? That couldnt possibly be happening again could it? Our
government has never lied to us why shouldnt we believe that 19 twits with box
cutters did all this damage? The same government that is now stealing trillions
of dollars and lying to us about it? They would never kill Americans to get gain
would they? Nah.....
truthseeds - Brandon | 4:55 p.m. April 7, 2009
Thank you DesNews and thanks Dr. Jones and the others for their tireless
research and efforts in this important cause. The Gadiantons certainly are
running a-muck and the events of 911 served as a catalyst. I encourage everyone
to be objective and research the matter. That's what I did two years ago
after being subjective to the 'official' conspiracy, and I have
continued my research diligently. I've worked in the building industry for
17 years, first constructing, and in architecture for the latter 15 years. I
bought the lies and lived in denial, although it just didn't add up. How
do 3 buildings implode into their own footprints due to fires from jet-fuel, at
the speed of gravity, leaving molten metal in the basements for weeks ignoring
the laws of physics? They don't. It's never happened to a
steel-framed building before or since. Wake Up! Google: Architects and
Engineers for 911 Truth (AE911TRUTH), Journal of 911 studies, Patriots Question
911, Zero. Note how all the 'debunkers' have no good arguments and
only create strawmen and use ad hominem attacks. We must think for ourselves
and save our Republic!
Dean Jackson | 4:58 p.m. April 7, 2009
Bogus Claims says, "There are no eyewitness accounts of explosive sounds
immediately preceding the collapses, despite thousands of eyewitnesses in close
proximity to the site. If you watch the video footage, the collapse doesn't
start below the entry wound, but right at it."
If you go to YouTube you can watch the actual NBC, MSNBC and USA Today reports where the reporters are talking about other bombs going off in the towers before the towers collapse. NBC reports that it was given this information by the NYCFD Chief of Safety!
USA Today's Jack Kelley reports that the FBI told him that they believe bombs were in the towers. You can watch Jack Kelley's report on the morning of 9/11 on YouTube.
Of course the towers' collapse started where the aircraft impacted them!
It would have taken days for jet fuel fire to bring down the towers, considering their massive heat sinks. The actual structural damage was not critical. The towers were built so they could withstand worse structural damage.
If you go to YouTube you can watch the actual NBC, MSNBC and USA Today reports where the reporters are talking about other bombs going off in the towers before the towers collapse. NBC reports that it was given this information by the NYCFD Chief of Safety!
USA Today's Jack Kelley reports that the FBI told him that they believe bombs were in the towers. You can watch Jack Kelley's report on the morning of 9/11 on YouTube.
Of course the towers' collapse started where the aircraft impacted them!
It would have taken days for jet fuel fire to bring down the towers, considering their massive heat sinks. The actual structural damage was not critical. The towers were built so they could withstand worse structural damage.
Jeff | 5:05 p.m. April 7, 2009
Maybe some people don't understand that it's not a theory anymore that
nano-thermite material (which is very sophisticated stuff) was in the building,
its a fact. The paper was reviewed by credentialed scientists and vetted for
accuracy. They are showing their "evidence" not their theories. Stop
being so naive like the US gov would never do something like this. They sent
50,000 Americans to die in Vietnam plus another couple thousand in the wars
following without ever losing a minute of sleep. Inside Job plain and simple.
Game Over.
Wow | 5:09 p.m. April 7, 2009
Congrats to "interesting." It's nice when someone reads the paper
before commenting. Thank you for doing so.
Hopefully the new article opens more peoples' minds to the possibility that the Government hasn't been on the up and up about 911. The 911 events fit suspiciously well with what the PNAC considered necessary to accelerate/catalyze their entry into the "multiple simultaneous wars" they desired to engage in in the Middle East.
Dick Cheney was chairman of the PNAC.
Hopefully the new article opens more peoples' minds to the possibility that the Government hasn't been on the up and up about 911. The 911 events fit suspiciously well with what the PNAC considered necessary to accelerate/catalyze their entry into the "multiple simultaneous wars" they desired to engage in in the Middle East.
Dick Cheney was chairman of the PNAC.
to: Conspiracy Here or There? | 5:10 p.m. April 7, 2009
i suppose it would not be a normal day at the blogs without someone bashing the
lds, but that is not the only reason i am posting. i was 13 when i saw those
towers fall and even then was a tad bit suspicious and since then have seen and
read many of these so-called conspiracy theories. let me tell what these show.
they show a logic of how it is possible and propably likeley that the towers
were not brought down by the airplanes, but i fail to see how it is all
irrefutable evidence. furthermore, there are other possibilties for a cover-up.
what makes you think it was bush? i for one think it was more likely the
democrats. who did profit from 9/11? the republicans have been bashed for it
since it happened. is it a coincidence that it didn't happen until bush was
in office? no. if i were bush and were going to do this, i'd do it while
clinton was in office and take advantage of the situation, like obama did with
the economy.(also engineered by the democrats
Steven Jones | 5:14 p.m. April 7, 2009
First, I wish to thank Elaine Jarvik for writing a fair and informative article.
I would have liked to see a link to the scientific paper itself, and of course,
I hope that readers of the DesNews article will read the scientific paper
itself.
You can find it by googling "bentham science nanothermite farrer".
Note that Dr. Farrer, the second author, runs the electron microscopy laboratory in the BYU Physics Dept and is an excellent teacher, but he is not a professor, not yet anyway.
I just received an email from a Professor at BYU, which I will share:
"Steven:
I just finished the "Active Thermitic Material" journal article.
Compelling. Data was clear, methodology explained, graphs
were helpful,and photography was amazing. Your team did
a phenomenal job. Nice enhancements since I first
heard this material at UVU. Your arguments are strong
and well supported.
What next?"
What next, indeed... We need now to determine WHO made this nano-thermite material, who had the know-how at the time. Several labs had this ability in 2001 (see the paper)... Our investigation continues....
You can find it by googling "bentham science nanothermite farrer".
Note that Dr. Farrer, the second author, runs the electron microscopy laboratory in the BYU Physics Dept and is an excellent teacher, but he is not a professor, not yet anyway.
I just received an email from a Professor at BYU, which I will share:
"Steven:
I just finished the "Active Thermitic Material" journal article.
Compelling. Data was clear, methodology explained, graphs
were helpful,and photography was amazing. Your team did
a phenomenal job. Nice enhancements since I first
heard this material at UVU. Your arguments are strong
and well supported.
What next?"
What next, indeed... We need now to determine WHO made this nano-thermite material, who had the know-how at the time. Several labs had this ability in 2001 (see the paper)... Our investigation continues....
Chris | 5:21 p.m. April 7, 2009
Want to know of some of the people involved in 9/11? Google these
people/phrases-"Dov Zakheim,9/11" and "Dominic Suter,Urban MOving
Systems,9/11", also Google-"Cheney,wargames,9/11". Steven Jones
is a true patriot and the people attacking him and 9/11 activists in general are
typically naive tools who cant think for themselves and they are usually
american exceptionalists. And to Jerry, the name Dov Zakheim might mean
something to you in regards to why the accounting section, the newly reinforced
section of the Pentagon was hit. Google-"missing 2.3 trillion Pentagon
money".
Chris | 5:24 p.m. April 7, 2009
Vin Diesel,(cute name), do yourself a favor and Google Dov Zakheim,9/11. the
pilots didnt do anything. You really are way too gullible.
Google-"SPC,flight termination system,Dov Zakheim".
Aidan M. | 5:29 p.m. April 7, 2009
For skeptics of the paper and the evidence described within it:
Why was such high-tech destructive material at the WTC on 9/11 in such large quantities?
What other office building materials (in apparently large quantities) containing nano-meter sized grains comprised of iron oxide finely mixed with aluminum, would generate more energy release than the theoretical maximum of thermite and also iron-rich spheres, when reduced to the size of the discovered chips?
The nano-energetic explosive materials found in the dust are comparable to a DNA profile given that these materials were only being researched and developed by so few.
Why was such high-tech destructive material at the WTC on 9/11 in such large quantities?
What other office building materials (in apparently large quantities) containing nano-meter sized grains comprised of iron oxide finely mixed with aluminum, would generate more energy release than the theoretical maximum of thermite and also iron-rich spheres, when reduced to the size of the discovered chips?
The nano-energetic explosive materials found in the dust are comparable to a DNA profile given that these materials were only being researched and developed by so few.
gallenk | 5:33 p.m. April 7, 2009
Kudos to Deseret News for their fair treatment of this important story.
I had been previously told that your news service was excellent ... I am now seeing it 1st hand.
I will definitely bookmark this site.
Congrats
I had been previously told that your news service was excellent ... I am now seeing it 1st hand.
I will definitely bookmark this site.
Congrats
Fighting for truth | 5:39 p.m. April 7, 2009
The towers had become financial albatross's because they weren't built
to accommodate today's technology, tenancy was dwindling, as was tourism
and it was going to cost billions to remove the asbestos from both buildings.
Heck, the NY Port Authority tried three times to get a permit to demolish them,
but was denied each time. The lease was sold to a private buyer (Larry
Silverstein) six months before 9/11, who then took out insurance against
terrorist attack. The planes were the cover for their demolition. Billions
were saved in asbestos removal costs and Silverstein walked away with over $7
billion in insurance money. Building 7 was also imploded since it housed the
financial records of thousands of investigative case files involving fraud,
extortion, racketeering, money-laundering, etc. between the big banks, Wall
Street and Washington, DC. The financial meltdown we're now seeing is part
of what 9/11 was to cover up. Also, 50+ Accountants and Auditors were killed at
the Pentagon who were investigating $2.3 trillion in missing Pentagon money what
a coincidence. The whole thing was about money and a quest for power and
control by the military-industrial complex.
adele | 5:42 p.m. April 7, 2009
It's quite interesting to read these comments I find the ad hominem attacks
juvenile and distasteful. If one disagrees discredit the paper/conclusions.
Makes one wonder why the rabid attacks? In who's interest is it to
discredit the authors? Interesting.
Wow | 5:49 p.m. April 7, 2009
This is Responsible reporting. Not printing this article puts us at greater risk
for continuation of dishonestly started wars in the Middle East.
It appears that approximately a million people have been killed by us in Iraq alone. It should be known if this is being done for a "justifiable" reason or not. Further, for the sake of national security, we need to know if our government has been honest about 911 and the recent wars in the Middle East.
Do you really want a (U.S.) government that might be willing to enable a "911" in our own country?
It appears that approximately a million people have been killed by us in Iraq alone. It should be known if this is being done for a "justifiable" reason or not. Further, for the sake of national security, we need to know if our government has been honest about 911 and the recent wars in the Middle East.
Do you really want a (U.S.) government that might be willing to enable a "911" in our own country?
Anonymous | 5:49 p.m. April 7, 2009
With all due respect (which is none), Dr. Jones, you are a few donuts short of a
dozen!
Smiddy | 5:50 p.m. April 7, 2009
I see the shills are getting frantic...
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Eventually the conspirators that killed a 1,000 plus innocents human beings will have to clear their own conciousness, so some of them will confess before dying. Truth always win,this is one of the biggest crimes ever, can't think of anything worst. yours in truth. J.R.