State body gives guidelines for the money-saving action
If teachers take furlough days the days will come back when there is money. If
we cut teacher benefits or programs they will never come back. Furlough days
are the only option that is fair. It is a burden for the teacher, student,
parent, janitor, lunch lady, and administrator.Furlough days are
also fair when cut in equal percentages. An employee with a 320 day contract
must be cut the same percent of days as the employee with a 150 day contract.
All of us must shoulder the burden.Only cut things that will come
back when there is money. Days and Athletics
TEACHERS ARE COOOOOOOOOL!!!!
That's fine if we cut 5 days a year to save money, but if it's only teachers
than there is something wrong. District workers, principals, etc. should all
lose 5 days pay if they want to actually save a decent amount of money. And how
about we stop docking teacher pay while still spending money on things that
don't matter? Alpine School District is paying over 6 digits just to remodel the
front of Lakeridge Junior High. The school didn't need it. How about making some
budget changes to useless expenses too?
Mac, How about you do some real math? 180 school days for 8 hours a day (or 9 or
10 if youre a normal teacher) at $30,000 in pay (if your lucky thats your
starting pay) is only $20 per hour. That sounds great but for a college graduate
its not that tempting. The fact is many teachers work very hard, maybe not 100
hours a week, but definitely more than eight hours a day. Go take a drive by
any elementary school in the evening and you will see many teachers cars still
parked there. You ask how hard is it to teach the same thing year after year?
Well, there are very few teachers that teach the same thing year after year.
The curriculum changes every year and many teachers switch grades or classes
each year. By the way, teaching is not an easy job because they have to deal
with ungrateful people like you. Think before you write you write Mac.And Cyberian, thanks.
Mac | 3:34 p.m. April 6, 2009 Did you not do good in school? Did
teachers try to push you to your maximum effort in the classroom and beyond.
Yet, you refused because you were to busy sleeping in class or causing problems.
Now your working some dead end job because you did not value
education and reality has set in. Minimum wage just is no longer cutting it for
you and your case of Lite Brewski's.Consequently, you are having to
lash out with false facts about teachers that tried to help you become a better
person.I hear you talking about how easy it is to teach...go get a
degree or two (OOPS to late) and come give it a go tough guy.Once
again the people who talk the most trash are the weakest!!! Todays generation of
learners would chew you up and spit you out on all levels!! TALK TALK
TALK...Honestly!!!Poor baby...get back to the grill you burger
flipper you!!! I'll take mine with some of your world famous "weak sauce" aka
your uneducated comments on teachers and the like!!!Get a grip hero;
I mean zero!!!!
I have so many kids, even at this point in the year, I am still confused with
names.Taking away any of my prep days just means less instruction.
I have a job to do. In order to do that job, I must prepare. I'm tired of
preparing on my own time, my family's time, and my weekends and nights. I'll
just pop in a video until I'm prepared.Your child learns less, I get
my job done. Problem solved.Oh... and I'm paid less and less
(aren't we already one of the lowest paid states?) :(Once again, the
brunt is borne by the teacher. You don't hear a thing about state level cuts,
Teachers do not teach the same thing year after year; curriculum changes and
teachers add/delete/modify their lessons every year. They also take inservice
classes to stay current on the latest research in education. You obviously have
a lot of disdain for the profession. Lucky for you, you live in Utah, so your
kids are hopefully overlooked and not cared about in the overcrowded,
underfunded schools. I could care less about the kids in my overcrowded class
who have parents like you. Don't kid yourself into thinking teachers care about
your kids when you have such a dismissive, arrogant attitude towards teachers.
Mac,The average starting pay is about 10K less than your quote. It
should be somewhere close to 28K now, not the pie in the sky 38k you gave.No days should be cut. Most teachers are willing to put in those days
for free to keep their jobs, and to benefit children. While it is disappointing
having to eat Ramen noodles for a few weeks, we'll survive.
All of you fail to realize that if you take away the last two days of school,
teachers will just move those end of the year activities to the new "last day of
school." Same with Christmas break... you take a day off there, and the
classrooms will just celebrate their festivities earlier. Any way you cut it,
students are still going to be losing out on their education. This whole thing
is an outrage if you ask me. Why not just have a salary freeze for a couple of
years for ALL employees of the district to make this fair? It is completely
unethical to cheat students out of their learning days and to cheat teachers out
of their Quality teaching days.
Not a hard thing to cut 5 days when you realize, at least where I went to school
in Provo and Orem, that the last 2 days of school you do nothing, the day before
Christmas break you do nothing, and there were at least a few other days we did
Mac, you are welcome to come and do this "easy" job. They don't just change
text books, they change what students are expected to know. I'd love to see you
or any one else who thinks it's easy to come and spend one day and have my
classroom ready for the year. I'll even give you a head start by leaving you a
list of the things that need to be done. Then if you still think it's easy,
come and substitute my class on day with lesson plans prepared and papers run
off. You really should learn about what you're saying before you say it.
How about we do some math? 180 school days for 8 hours a day at $38,500 in pay,
average starting pay here. That is $26.73 per hour before benefits such as
healthcare, pensions, etc. For the one spouting off about how "I work 100 hours
a week," lets see that means you have only 68 hours of a week left, or 9.71hours
per day. You either are a liar or you are at work all the time. What about
commute time? What about time to sleep? What about the CPE time? What about
time to take care of family matters like paying your taxes? You must think
people are dumb enough to believe that you really put in 100 hours a week.
Sorry, I don't buy it. Plus how hard is it to teach the same thing year after
year after year. The only year a teacher really works is the first year. Maybe
if textbook is changed you might have to adjust your teaching plans. But
really, teaching is an easy job because you just indoctrinate kids on your
views. Right or wrong.
Judging from the grammar and mistakes in these posts, we should be adding days
not taking them away!
I am a teacher. If you cut my quality teaching days in order to save money, I
guarantee you will get your money's worth.
Could you clarify for me where in the article the teachers were crying about
everything? Whenever anything changes everyone screams that the teachers are
ungrateful, lazy, basically worthless individuals. I'm just confused because
this isn't about teacher's reactions. Just stating what they decided to do.
Dear State Worker,I am a licensed teacher and technology director in
one of Utah's 40 (soon to be 41) districts.I work an average of 80
hours a week. I often work 100 hours in a week. I work 12 months of the year,
not nine. I work six days every week, and often find myself working Sunday
evenings as well.I do not get overtime. I do not get comp time.I earn 20 days of vacation a year. I generally use no more than 10 of
those vacation days.If you are capable of doing math, you should be
able to determine that I work anywhere from 40 to 60 hours a week without pay. I
do it for the students and my teaching colleagues. Given your attitude, if I
were your colleague, I would cut my hours to 40 per week, immediately.
Fortunately, my colleagues and students are a bit more appreciative of my
Why not cut out a month by cutting out all of the monkey business in school
calendars...focus on academics, and give both the students and the property tax
payer a break during these tough economic times? Makes sense, but the teacher's
union would go ballistic.
Yes try being a state employee and you will know whats it is like to not have
any more money this next year. We all have to do our part in these hard times.
How about that $20.00 fee so that you can have more Troopers for UHP. Because it
is a fee you can not claim it on your tax return. They said that they didn't
raise taxes but fees did go up. I think they should charge a fee to those who
have kids in school and those who have caused this problem. There is no such
thing as a free ride I pay for kids to just sit in class and do nothing. Yes it
will be eight days off, but it won't be without paid but it will be without
kids. Five more party days.
It would be picked on and expects the same level.
The teachers don't work that long compared to the rest of the workforce. I am
required to work 2088 hours a year and most of that time is at nights and
weekends. I don't get weekends and holidays off, or days were I can just shut
down and get uninterrupted time to get things done. Most of the times teachers
work the minimum and always ask for more. I don't feel bad that the teachers
feel pick on because of the economy, because my employer has cut my budget
almost 20% and still expect the same level of service as before. So, quite
crying and get a second job like most of us have to.
Expect more movies in my class while I prepare lessons. I'm done going in a
week early to work for free.
They could always shorten spring break and give them a week off at Thanksgiving.
It's not fair that the teachers have to 'pay' for the bad money management of
the district. A lot of money could be saved if positions were cut at the
district level. How many secretaries are needed at the district offices?
Consolidate, it would go a long way for teachers.
It's fine with me if they cut five days. I mean all kids really do in school
is goof off, or review everything they've already learned.
Cut them off during the Thanksgiving Week. Kids do not get anything done that
week anyway. Families would love to have extra time to travel to be with
families. Or cut them off at the end of the school year, when they do nothing
but watching movies and playing in class. I always find the last 3 school days
wasted, especially when they only have 2 hours the last day, just to count it.
Just don't teach anything the first 5 days of school and tell the parents you
need the time to get your classroom and lessons ready.
They will probably cut planning days instead of in-class days (need for
babysitting vs. upset parents at having to spend MORE time with kids). But!
What about the salaried people? Will they get five less paid days? Will the
large and spacious building that GSD uses as HQ see five vacant, non-paid days?
Let's report on that possibility? Or, let's look at what all those people
actually do to educate our children! There's more savings possible than docking
teachers five days of pay. Dig into the district offices and let's see what
Agreed! Another instance of balancing the budget on the back of the teachers.
Eliminating quality teaching days????? So teachers are now expected to put in
even more overtime without compensation to get things done? Just another
instance of the lack of respect for educators in this country, but especially