Comments about ‘LDS Church defends itself against new allegations’

Yay for the Church spokespeople being clear and firm. Boo for those that would try to make something up (or just not do their homework enough) just to try to accuse the Church of doing something (which is ironic that good is being called evil--sound familiar?).

Up with true, wholesome family values. Down with naysayers to those of a righteous cause.

Do your homework.

Why don't the gays give it up. It was a free and fair election. If you don't win do you protest forever? What difference does it make whose funds went for or against the proposition. Any sympathy I felt is fast waning. If gays are waiting for the Mormon church to say gay is okay, they are going to wait for a long time. If gays really believe in what they are doing why does what the Mormon Church thinks or does matter? Enough already!

" If gays are waiting for the Mormon church to say gay is okay, they are going to wait for a long time."

You don't know your history very well do you? If the pressure gets too great, and if history is any guide, there will be a change.

Money has nothing to do with Prop 8 passing, it is all moral values.

If you see history as a guide, the government likes to pull a catch-22 on lots of religions. If you also do your research, it wasn't from political pressure because if any of it was, it would have happened right away when most things you think were political pressure didn't happen for years after the government tried to make the Church change it's ways. The Church doesn't conform to what people think should be ok, but what they think God says is ok. Everyone that conforms are just posers, like yourself.

It is the right of the LDS church to get involved in elections that have moral implications (none more than this one). It is a fact of life that people contribute and get involved. My formerly non-political daughter went up and down her neighborhood knocking on doors to encourage people to vote because she felt strongly about this issue. Are you going to tell me and her that we can't vote our conscience?

Our democracy will survive only if we as citizens get involved and then abide by what the majority decides. We can't go along only when it suits us.

@ Re Alton:
The perspective on history usually goes along with your personal belief system. If you believe that the LDS church is founded by Jesus Christ then you believe history reflects revelation given through Him to his church in regards to various public stances. However, insisting your colored glasses show everything in it's proper perspective, is going to be a tough sell.

Let the investigations begin. If the mormon church accurately disclosed its financial contributions, then it has nothing to worry about. But if they played a clandestine role in establishing the National Organization for Marriage, then they should be prosecuted. That's the "moral" thing to do.

You are whistling in the wind if you think the gays will ever be acceptable to the Church as a way of life. The revelation on the priesthood for all worthy male members was a righteous revelation. God created man and woman and the man was to leave his parents and cleave unto the woman. Man and woman were married by God while in the Garden of Eden, and before death entered this world. He also commanded them to multiply and replenish the earth. He, God, set the pattern for marriage. It is a man and a woman for eternity. The CHurch cannot and will not change its stance on gay marriag. TO do so would go against all it has ever taught and it would cease to functio as God's Church and become a church mixing doctrine with man's thinking. It would deny the revelations from God. Period.

What are you talking about the mormon church will never say gay is okay.

@ Mormon Money:
How many investigations would satisfy this person? As many as possible to harass the LDS church? I'm sure after this one is done there will be another claim, and another, and another. What I don't understand is how the LDS church was able to convince so many African Americans to vote "The Mormon" way. Maybe, just maybe, the majority of people in California actually don't want marriage to be re-defined by popular culture. I know it's a wild thought but at least consider it.

Mormon money,

"Let the investigations begin. If the mormon church accurately disclosed its financial contributions, then it has nothing to worry about."

The Church may end up suing Karger and Californians against Hate (a tax-exempt organization that took an active role in fighting Prop. 8) for slander, libel and defamation. The Church does not have to endure libelous conduct by others anymore than any other organization or business has to endure libelous or false statements. Karger isn't going to hide behind freedom of speech.

"But if they played a clandestine role in establishing the National Organization for Marriage, then they should be prosecuted."

What crime would they be prosecuted for? Please cite the actual statute in question. It is not illegal to start an organization or be involved in starting an organization nor would the Church have any reason to hide it since it has both a constitutional and legal right to start such organizations.

It's obvious Mormons are involved in NOM which is their right but the Church, which has no reason to deny involvement since it's legal, does so because it wasn't involved. Whey bother denying it when its legal to do?

Alton,

"Why don't the gays give it up. It was a free and fair election."

You have to understand what they are trying to do. They are trying to paint those who believe the the homosexual lifestyle is sinful as essentially the same as racists and have government endorse their belief that homosexuality isn't a sin and legally recognize homosexuality over the belief of those that believe it is a sin.

"If you don't win do you protest forever?"

That's exactly what they intend to do. They are mean, hateful, narrow-minded, intolerant bigots.

"If gays are waiting for the Mormon church to say gay is okay, they are going to wait for a long time."

They want to do one better than that and have the government declare that the Mormon Church is wrong and that homosexuality is not a sin, that it is a right, genetic and that they were "born that way" and anyone who believes differently will be labeled religious and told "sit down, shut up and do as you are told." Children are taught that their parents, and religious leaders are liars and that the gays moral and religious beliefs correct

Why do religions continue to feel like it's their right to get involved in people's personal lives? For as long as this country has been around, the religious have enjoyed pressing their own interpretation of "values" on others.

Like it or not, some of us don't believe in god, and there is nothing binding us to live by "his" word. Realize that one day this battle will be in the same category as those who tried to keep interracial marriage illegal.

To me, intolerance and unequal rights are not commendable family values. I, for one, will be teaching my children better.

Californians Against Hate? That's pretty funny. Isn't it amazing how religious bigotry has suddenly become a virtue. Those who practice it have suddenly become victims.

"Evil will be thought good and good will be thought evil." The prophecies are coming to pass.

I agree with Alton on one thing, who cares what the Mormons think? The best thing about this country is that we all have the freedom to live how we wish. However, what everyone must remember is that we need to be respectful of our peers personal choices and not judge one another so cruely and without merit. No matter how Godly you think you are, it is not right to judge one another on this Earth - let's leave that job for someone better suited to do so without human bias and judgemental hatered. I pray everyone on both sides of this issue can learn to be respectful of one another and can learn to live together for the sake of the world and not for our individual beliefs and personal causes, whether they be religious or socially based ones. God bless America and God bless everyone's right to live the American dream - gays, lesbians and yes, even Mormons included!

My daughter was thirteen when she was taken advantage of sexually by one of her teachers at school . . . a female teacher.

She struggled with her sexual identity as a result of that experience. Although my daughter was brought up in an LDS home, her Mother and I divorced when my wife claimed that a young man we befriended in Church was someone she "knew in the pre-existence." My daughter then saw her Mother become involved with this young man and name her brother after him.

Sexual orientation is not an easy issue to deal with. As a Father, I support and love my daughter. She will be 'getting married' to another woman later this spring. I will be there at the wedding.

Can we love our brothers and sisters, despite their sexual orientation? Can we become more tolerant of those who are different? Can we see good in people who have a perspective that varies from our own?

The more light that is shed that the Church followed all rules and laws will show that the other side is just out to get the Church with lies and inuendo.

It is not yet politically incorrect to attack and bash Mormons, despite all of the other churches that also helped passed this law. This makes Mormons an easy mark for persecution for their ideals and morals. Once bad-mouthing Mormons is as taboo as speaking ill of Catholics, Jews, Muslims, etc., then this country can truly say we are beyond religious bigotry.

The Church does not hate people that are gay, but also cannot condone the practice on biblical and moral grounds. Both sides have the American right to believe as they like, but no one should be persecuted on either side for expressing their vote with their own conscience.

NEVER should a majority try to deny the rights of a minority....Mormons if anyone should understand that. If it is proven that the LDS have broken laws then they should pay the consequence.

And why doesn't this guy pay for the investigation?