Comments about ‘Gang fight breaks out at Provo mall, police say’

This is one more example of why the legislature must pass anti-gang legislation and must provide law enforcment with the funding required to enforce the legislation.

Wrong Whiggy...you will never have enough laws or law enforcement to stop this. All the gun laws have'nt stop the criminals from getting guns, all the alcohol laws have'nt stopped the 1400+ DUI's in this state, all the drug laws have'nt stopped all the meth streaming into our state and a 1000 gang arn't going to stop our gang problem...Gangs have been a HUGH focus for almost 25 years now to the major Metro areas....L.A., Miami, Detroit....law enforcement in these places have millions of dollars and hundreds of officers attached to try and stop the bleeding, but not much has worked. Gangs are more popular now than ever, just alot smarter, so you don't hear as much about them...what we have here, and I can just hear the knee-jerk reaction to this staement I'm about to make, is an ethnic problem. There...I said it.....if you look at this states stats, especially with regards to the influx of illegals and the increase in crime, you'll see a DIRECT correlation between the 2. It's the same in every state....

Yep, "diversity" has come to Provo. Enjoy it, "diversity" assures continued uninterrupted growth of the criminal justice industry.

Of course it's an ethnic problem...that's the nature of gangs. It's a group of ethnic minorities that feel like they don't fit in to society so they cluster together and rebel against it. Ethnicity is at the very core of the modern gang. It's not "racist" to talk about it. It's just a fact that we all have to deal with and try to solve.

What a racist you are, Desert Dawg. Diversity is not the issue here, it is poor parenting, period. Your claim that diversity causes this stuff if actually funny when you consider all of the Utah County "normal" people who were ripped off in mortagage scams in Utah County by other "normal" people. Why weren't you crying foul then and pinning it on diversity?

GANGS ARE NOT A PROBLEM. THEY ARE PROFITABLE. THEY HELP FUEL OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND LOCAL ECONOMY. WERE WOULD WE BE WITHOUT CRIMINALS? THINK ABOUT IT.

Best thing we could do is ship these gangs to Juarez, problem solved, they'll be dead within days.

You could not be more wrong. Utah has the lowest DUI related fatalities in the nation. Half of the Nat. Average. I like my state. Deseret Dawg is completely right. Diversity does bring things with it. I am not blaming certain races. I don't believe that way. I am only stating that many Germans are from Germany and respect their blood and soil home.

Americans are diverse but what unifies us is our belief in democracy and the liberties and civil protections because we believe they were God given and not country given(thus countries can't take away) rights. With that said. WAY too many (immigrants is sugar-coating) Mexicans come in to our country illegally while they shoot people in the south of their own country who immigrate. They mooch with no taxes. They are steeling from my tax paid money. Give to the pot before taking away!! Diversity where people come(from ANY place) and don't contribute to America but just take away from us. Taking without giving. It's like the selfish capitalist CEO'sCongressmen who have ruined our economy.

It's not a race issue, with DIVERSITY we need UNITY!!

I was wondering if the code words "ethnic minority" applied to Irish republicans, Russian oligarchs, Bosnians (all stripes), Italian mobsters, Zionists, English Hooligans, etc., or just Mexicans?

There is probably a gang brawl in provo, because there is nothing better to do in the city on Friday. Most things close at 9, and the few things that do stay open, make it a very limited choice of entertainment.

The legislators are to busy removing tags of wine beer bottles and removing private club membership so more people drink booze to buy more School Books For the Mormon Schools! They want to tax Caffeine becuase NON or Jack Mormons are the Coffe and Coke drinkers so anyone with a bad habit Pays all the Bills while the Mormons use Church Money to persecute a group of people that are no threat to anyone and yet they can not use the money to remove the Illegal Mexicans out of Utah and there Gang Members who are a threat to everyone in Utah who also take away jobs the American Citizens who will spend there money here to help Utah and not some third world Ghetto in Mexico! Utah Legislators Are One huge JOKE!!Utah Legislators need to get an Education and learn how to run a State! Stop taxing Gas and Raise Taxes on Ciggarettes/All Tobacco Pruducts,Booze, and the best thing in world would be to bring in A UTAH STATE LOTTERY!

I used to be a Skinhead years ago, so I guess my former associates and me are not included in this Ethnic Problem because we are white huh?

Anonymous...I don't live where the sidewalks are rolled up at 9:00 p.m. I live in Tacoma and we still have gang brawls. We have a wide variety of entertainment available to everybody and we still have gang brawls. We have late night basketball programs for the youth at the YMCA and community centers and we still have gang brawls. And as a matter of fact...a lot of these brawls occur very late at night, or early in the A.M.

I once spoke to a man who works at the youth detention facility in my neck of the woods. He pushes a broom, and talks with the kids. They have come to trust him. According to him, many of these kids end up in gangs because they are hungry, or are poorly clothed. Some of them have been kicked out of their homes, or abandoned. They cannot buy food or clothing for themselves because of the legal age restrictions for youth labor. So they steal food, or clothing and end up in detention.

Gang recruiters find them in detention, and when they get out, these recruiters take them home with them, feed them, give them clothing, shelter, a place to sleep and a sense of belonging.

Perhaps society ought to reconsider the laws regarding employing youths.

Jody, I found your comment amusing. Obviously you consider diversity to be an inerrant religion never to be criticized. You are no different in spirit from the Inquisitors of the Middle Ages, or the commissars that plagued Russia during its Soviet occupation.

Perhaps you would care to return and explain to us why the imposition of forced diversity into a given area INVARIABLY results in an increase in social discontinuity, and why gang activity is best organized and most virulent in the most diverse areas.

Your Marxist college professors may have indoctrinated you well, Jody, but they didn't reach me...or, for that matter, most mainstream Americans.

Where are the parents of these kids....? Can't tell me parents can't see a problem at home unless they are the problem...!

To 4:51 p.m.,

A lottery (or gambling) is not the answer to any problem. People claim it helps this group or that group so much because of the funds distributed. Where do those funds come from? People with small incomes. Think about the lottery jackpot winners that you hear about. How many of them were rich before winning the lottery? A small minority. Many winners are people just scraping by. Sure it's nice to win lots of money. How much do you have to pay first, however? And how about those who are living meagerly and still buy lottery tickets just because someone else won the jackpot and created a false hope? For every person who wins the jackpot, how many don't? How much money is thrown away when the jackpot climbs?

People are warned about scams that sound too good to be true. Isn't the lottery something that also sounds too good to be true? Investing $5 in order to get $100 million in return is ridiculous. Buying a $5 ticket to win $100 million is as well. Yet one is accepted and the other dismissed as greed and naivete.

To Anonymous,Deseret Dawg,Ethnic Problem,and To Mr. Anonymous: Its people like you who are the major contributors to the gang proliferation in this fine state.
With your close-minded racism you will never see the end of gangs in Utah.
to Re: Ethnic problem and An Ethnic Minority, thank you for making a very valid point that everyone else on this board conveniently overlooked.

And why does the world lie in sin?...the D&C answer: inequality.

Actually Desert Dawg you are totally wrong about me. I happen to be a police officer and have observed this stuff for a long time. Again, bangers are bangers for one reason... bad parenting. They either come from homes where there is a parent missing, or parent(s) don't take time to raise them properly or they are simply bad parents who will not take responsibility or teach it to their kids. As far as your "forced diversity comment, what's that about? I don't see anybody forcing anything.

Lastly, I don't see the outcry in Utah when our brothers are ripping the rest of us off for millions od dollars. We are not known for the gang capital of the U.S., but we are known for being the fraud capital and that is worth complaining about.