I dont think the way grown-ups do in this category, your taking this a bit too
far. You 40 year olds have (or so I believe) enough maturity to take this
serious as a way to prevent another 9/11 from happening. But of course it wont
happen to Utah, so why take the precautions? Lets just stick to the more
primitive technology in an effort to become a target.. Think it though a bit
more. It is a great idea.I can handle myself whether or not you men,
who can bench 200 or what ever, think so. Woman not defenseless, and strength is
not physical. Dont be as perverted to think that keeping eyes off girls will
help history anymore then it has for thousands of years. Yes. We are here and
thus going to be seen. Dont though a blanket over me in an effort to keep me
innocent from the world Thats what true perverts do (just look around the world
When are YOU PEOPLE going to stop whining about rights? You have the right to
opt out! Air travel is not a right, it's a luxury. I would like to see how
expedient your business meetings and wasteful spending on taking your precious
brats to Disney would go if the government said fine, the heck with you, no more
flying for anyone except military flights. After all it's not like we're at war
with merciless suicide bombers or anything.
It's too bad all you folks with hip replacements, metal plates, etc, have bought
into the TSA's false dichotomy: "either we will grope you or we'll see you
naked." There's a third, much better alternative: abolish the TSA. It is nothing
but make-work for McDonald's rejects. Remember that politicians, not security
experts, foisted it on us after 9/11. Absolutely no research substantiates any
of its premises or policies. And it costs us $6-7 BILLION every year. Abolition
is the only answer to this totalitarian boondoggle.
oRRIN hATCH WILL FIX IT
Just a follow up to those who commented that the idea of letting law abiding
citizens carry a gun on board an airplane. Just the fact that folks like the
terrorists would realize that they might find some resistance would deter them
from trying to cause trouble. In cities and states where there are lots of folks
with concealed weapons permits, violence is down because criminals realize they
might find resistance. We always have our worst problems when the government
disarms the law abiding citizens.
I can't believe how many "Calm down" ... "It's not mandatory" ... "It's needed
to protect us" ... comments are posted here. Airport security is an illusion.
It's never been very effective. So are we that gullible to believe the TSA's
fear rhetoric and voluntarily surrender our constitutional rights? Air travel,
even with just plain metal detectors, has been safer than automobile travel for
decades. No metal detectors stand between me and the bus, subway, Trax, or
Amtrax. This is not only a violation of our constitutional rights, but it's
especially egregious because it's completely unnecessary. Be an American. Stand
up for your constitutional rights, even ... especially against our own
"Stop the Whining" you have no idea about the bigger picture here. Read the
whole blog and check your facts about 9/11. Those people would have still done
what they did. Their 'weapons' were brought on in bags and luggage because
security wasn't paying attention. This is a violation of our rights and if we
allow this without a fight the government will continue to take away the rights
that we allow them to take away. Wake up and see what is going on. TSA,
HOMELAND SECURITY and ICE all operate as a result of 9/11. Read your
Consitution unless you don't care about the history that makes America great.
Oh lord, I just had a metal plate put in with my surgery, I know I am going to
beep everytime. Great, I wonder what I would look like on this Scanner????
Re:DMH; I fully understand your concerns, as I have an artifical hip, and carry
that worthless card frommy surgeon. However I will not submit to this
depraved concept at all, of being stripped search.My Father did not endure
the hell of WWII in the Pacific,along with my humble service in the military to
be subjected to this perversion. If the People say no more to the patdowns along
with this "Nude Scope", then what are the tyrants going to do? They will do
exactly what YOU allow them to do! If the Airlines start losing revenue, so do
the Tyrants.I have been building those aircraft for 25 years, and believe
me, the airlines, and government would have cows, if the people would quit
acting like a bunch of wimps.
This new technology used at airports to peer through clothes to detect
prohibited items seems to cause quite a commotion.Why imagine, using our tax
dollars to do this to us. How dare they ! I mean why attempt to protect us at
all, we don't need them risking their lives everyday to try and protect us from
being amongst the thousands that died on September 11,2001. You would think we
were at war with a group merciless killers or something.
Actually your facts are wrong.A bullet hole in a plane is NOT
dangerous, it does NOT depressurize a typical large passenger plane,in fact virtually nothing happens at all.you need a fairly big
hole before ther is any danger.And an imaginary situation where
dozens of people are shooting, is silly at best.And nothing but
fearmongering.your "facts" are just plain wrong.
if you are ever selected for a pat-down, you can demand a privacy screening.
don't put up with being fondled in public.
My husband has a very large metal plate in his left leg and every time we fly,
we go through the biggest hassle with security over this. We have a doctor's
note about the plate and we show it to security first, so they won't be suprised
that the metal detector, but it doesn't seem to matter. The only airport
security that has been very nice about this is Salt Lake International, but let
me tell you the other airports out there, have asked my husband to actually
strip, so they can see the scar before they believe him, or me about his plate.
We have gotten to the point where we don't even want to fly anymore, so if these
body scanners were in every airport it would be very beneficial for my husband
to fly, and he would rather be scanned fully clothed, than have to take off his
clothes just to pass through security.
Pictures of me going through this thing will be on TMZ in a week.
go along with it if they play the song, "Bust The Move" while I'm being
Lose some weight if you are worried about the scanner. I never agree with the
Everytime we give in to these types of POWERS we give up more of our rights. I
saw the news report on tv last night and I will tell you right now the guys
"package" while not in color was very clear and obvious to see. It was
disturbing knowing that they have the notion that it is their right to do this
to protect our rights. Read the Constitution and then comment.
Yeah, allowing people to pack heat while they're packed in at close quarters in
a flying metal cylinder for hours on end is a fabulous idea.There's
absolutely no way a situation like that could end badly, especially if an
argument ensued over who got to sit next to the window.
"I think I would be worried if the world's greatest marksman were trying to kill
the terrorist sitting next to me on a plane. Having 20 minimally trained
civilians shooting in my direction is unthinkable. Not to mention the damage to
the plane"Real Solutions are you serious? What could go wrong with
20 law abiding citzens taking aim in your direction to take our the terrorist.
Lets say they all pull off 3 shots each. Thats only 60 bullets. I highly doubt
your life would be in danger. Sure ive taken pilots lessons and I know one
bullet going through a pressurized plane can and will bring it down. But what
is the chance? 60 bullets? Im positive none of them will miss the target and
all of them will not go through and through the terrorist and out of the plane
or into your brain. Why are you so worried, seriously what could go wrong in
"We should allow regular, law-abiding citizens to carry loaded weapons on board
an airplane. Then if a criminal tried to do something, 20 law-abiding people
would stop him dead." I think I would be worried if the world's
greatest marksman were trying to kill the terrorist sitting next to me on a
plane. Having 20 minimally trained civilians shooting in my direction is
unthinkable. Not to mention the damage to the plane.
Anonymous 10:42, in what way have conservatives said provacy is not a right?
I disagree with the ACLU about 99% of the time. However, the fact that the
Airport is going through a lot of hoops to calm the fears of the public over a
supposed non-issue, says a lot to me. How is it the scan can see through a shirt
but not pants and a bra? Does that mean if I wear a levi shirt they won't be
able to see my belly? Why don't they allow cell phones with cameras if nothing
is being shown? Why are they worried about storing the images if there wasn't
anything to show? These policies wouldn't be necessary if there wasn't anything
to show. BTW, if someone does walk through with a gun I sure hope they are able
to store that image for evidence!
We should allow regular, law-abiding citizens to carry loaded weapons on board
an airplane. Then if a criminal tried to do something, 20 law-abiding people
would stop him dead. No more searches, just let the public protect themselves.
I fully agree with Anonymous (1055am). My wife has had a knee replacement. If
this keeps her from being PHYSICALLY patted down everytime she goes through
security, then I'm all for for it. Being physically patted-down is MUCH more
privately invasive than some TSA agent viewing an out-of-focus screen image for
a few seconds of someone he/she does not even know who it is.
To: Benjamin Franklin | 11:08 a.m., AMEN!People, seriously, it's
time to really step back and look at the whole picture. America WAS designed to
be a great nation of the people, by the people, and for the people and WE as
Americans have let it turn it to the idiocy you see before you: A bloated gov't
with entirely too much power gambling away our future as well as that of our
children for the sake of what? Security? Temporary gain? Oppressing the majority
for the sake of the minority? WAKE UP! People fought long and hard
to their dying breath for what we freely give away just to make a line go
faster... Truly Pitiful.
The terrorists won. All we've accomplished with all this stuff is making life
more complicated for the law-abiding. The criminal and terrorist element will
always find a way around these kinds of things.Suspicion reigns. When
they (airport security) pull my 85 year old uncle for "extra security," you know
something's wrong here.
I'm in! As a female with a hip replacement, I would MUCH rather be scanned
rather than having a TSA rep get touchy with me in order to get through the
security checkpoint. My opinion, it's less invasive to have someone in a booth
see all of me for a brief period of time than have someone touch and wand me
while I stand inside a glass corral for all the airport to see.
I'm tired of the irrational attempts to "make us safe." If we can justify
everything this way, then what else can they take away from me? China, and N.
Korea created a communist regime to make things perfect . . .I fly a
lot, and I hate this invasive technology. It is abusive to the 98% of good
people that fly. Somehow we think that the 2% should be able to abuse everyone
else. When are we going to make the punishment harsher towards would be
criminals? Why should all of the good people with bottles of water be
threatened in an airport? Come on! Let's get some common sense!Flying is already more of a prison transport system -- where we assume
everyone is guilty. It is so hard to travel. Hey, to "protect" everyone, why
don't we put sleeping gas in the air on the planes so no one can act up while
they are traveling?This has really gone too far! How much more do
we give up? Are there really no limits?I beg for common sense.
Don't let the very miniscule minority reduce us to machine like robots!
I have been reading in the news about all the terrorist attacks using plastic
and ceramic, haven't you?Every notice how the literally million
dollar/per "explosive residue" scanner lanes sit idle at the airports? The ones
that blow air on you and your clothes and analyze for explosive residue.They are so slow they are unusable so the millions for those were
essentially wasted.This machine could however be used when a more
extensive body cavity search is warranted. Besides that it use is totally
unnecessary for routine travel.Since it is unnecessary you can bet
our govt will be spending millions to install them at airports everywhere
soon.The fact is the security NOW misses serious banned items all
the time that are not plastic or ceramic. How do I know? Post 9/11 I
accidentally took two knives on a plane in a carry-on. They were dive knives I
use when scuba diving. I mistakenly put them in my carry-on suitcase vs. my
checked bag. Did not realize until arriving in hawaii.I hope you
have no illusion of security. It is all basically a big charade to instill
confidence in the public.
It is nice to know how many of you are groveling sheep. You should crawl on all
fours, this will make it easy for your masters, to pick you out.Another point: I am quite sure that the "Nude Scope"will not affect unborn
children and their mothers, along with nursing mothers. Also it won't affect
those brave souls going through Chemo and Radiation treatments. No No.. nothing
here for you Slaves to see... move along. Ba! Ba! Ba! and a nice Seig Heil!
Shortly before February 17, 1775, I was to offer this proposition at the
Pennsylvania Assembly, variations of it has been written, but I offer the
following for your consideration: Those who would give up essential liberty to
purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
It is absolutely worth it. As a mature woman with a knee replacement, I am sick
of being groped each time I fly. I was sent through this machine last month in
Las Vegas. No big deal. No shouts of "Female assist.", No lifting my shirt and
rolling down my waistband to show them my pants zipper wasn't going to bring
down the plane.
Conservatives have argued that privacy isn't a right. Doesn't the mantra follow
the line that if you have nothing to hide way out let a government employee
search you family jewels? Notice, the government is never happy without having
the ability to strip you? This is an allegory of our times.
What about people who have had knee or hip replacements? Of course they'll show
up. So will this new technology do away with the time-consuming, obnoxious
personal exams every time we pass through security? If so, it's well worth it!
If we had these machines and more security 8 years ago there would still be 2
towers and alot more people alive. Just like doctors these reviwers will be
bored and (sometimes disgusted) seeing peoples junk evry day all day long. I'm
all for safety. If your rights have a chance at putting me at risk, then don't
Sig Heil, mein air travellers! So all questions of privacy and
dignity aside, has there ever, ever been an attack on a commercial aircraft that
this sort of technology would have prevented? For example, the Sept 11
hijackers just stuck some razors in their bags and sent them through the X-ray
machine. As usual, the TSA agent was dozing through his or her shift and didn't
catch the threat (you've seen this if you've flown enough; I've personally left
live ammunition in my bag and been permitted to board an international flight).
So now we have this great new invasive technology that won't help one bit with
security because really the problem with security are the humans, not the
machines. But hey, OF COURSE the government is going to waste our money on
fancy, liberty reducing toys that don't actually increase public safety. It's
what they do.
I think that I would volunteer to go through that machine. I see nothing wrong
Sure, its voluntary now, but it won't be down the road. Just another sign that
America is no longer the land of liberty. Just another socialist state heading
toward fascism. But hey, its for our own protection, right?
Signs tell travelers they don't have to participate and TSA officers are also
instructed to tell people it's voluntary. "They'll be able to opt out and go
through another lane,"It is not mandatory. I wouldn't mind if they
were mandatory if that mean that plastic weapons would not slip through
security.Give me a break, you all get naked for you shower every
morning, who cares if some security guard gets to see you naked. He won't be
able to distinguish who you are. You will be a nude among hundreds for him.
Who cares if they can "see" you in the scanner. 3 seconds per person is too long
for regular screening. The ACLU has it right, if for incomplete reasons--this
should be used in place of cavity searches. Of course, Muslims, etc., who's
women can't be seen by others will have an issue with it. And I agree with "real
victims," above, that it would be no picnic to see 90%+ of travelers "naked."
Old, fat, misshapen, ugh. Special training required.
like myself, would see this as a money making opportunity. I can see someone
starting a website selling t-shirts and undergarments with witty sayings on
them. Come on, the TSA job is fairly mundane. Some clever phrases
on your underwear just might give them a chuckle, and make them a little more
Cosmo, we're not the first - these machines have been in operation if Phoenix
for quite a while now. I would suspect the dems in charge of homeland security
are the ones behind forcing it on Utah before so much of the rest of the country
- Salazar has already fired the first shots in BO's vendetta against us.that being said, I wonder how many images they had to get through before
they found one as non-revealing as the one they showed? They had one on channel
2 Sunday night and you could definitely see male genitalia. I've read other
stories about these things where the designers and other experts say you can
make out drops of sweat. So what if they obscure the face - would you pose for
a porno magazine with a bag over your head? Yeah, I know some of you would, but
most of us would not.When these things become mandatory, I'll kiss
goodbye to my 300,000+ airline miles and start taking the train. If they become
mandatory in train stations, I'll start putting a lot more miles on my car.
I believe the images most of you are worried about are for the machines used in
Australia and England. The images shown in this article and elsewhere on the
web with people holding their hands up are clearly what is produced by the
machines used in the US. They don't show much if any detail of the bodily
features. Plus, you have to realize that the person watching the
images is only getting a maximum of about 30 seconds to look at the image.
During that time, he/she is only going to really have time to look for anything
that might appear to be contraband. They won't have time to study every bodily
are the security guards. Think about it, would you want to work in an
environment where you're forced to see nude images of the general public? I'm
guessing it wouldn't be a pretty sight (to quote Senfield: "Have ya been to the
Motor Vehicle Bureau? Its a leper colony there").So airport
administration, be kind to your employees, and stop contributing to a hostile
as far as i'm concerned they ae doing too much to late.
Okay, this shouldn't be funny, but to me, it's hilarious! Oh, not the outright
lies about the technology but the fact that they are going to see MY naked body.
Serves them right! Hope they can distinguish fat right along with hair. I'm
fairly sure I'll be their punishment. ROFLOL!After I'm
done laughing...then we can address the invasion of privacy which is obvious.
We can believe the government's promise that images will never be saved,
that faces will be blurred, and that images won't show anatomical details just
as much as we can believe the promise they made that Social Security numbers
would never be used for identification. We have lost our fourth
amendment rights against unreasonable searches and to be secure in our persons,
papers and effects. These freedoms were won at great cost in the lives and
fortunes of our ancestors and we are throwing them away for the illusion of
security. May God have mercy upon our great country and forgive us for
concentrating on entertainment and vanity while our hard-one freedoms slip away
unnoticed by the majority of our citizens.
I'm all for security but this seems to me to go way overboard. I don't want
anyone scrutinizing my sweetheart like this. The answer, don't fly. I can't
shake the notion some idiot will figure out a way to abuse this system to our
detriment. Wand me, pat me down, do whatever you want but keep your eyes off my
I would walk through the stupid line naked if it meant I could get through
security faster. Who cares if a computer can generate a semi-clear image of
what's under your clothes. I will be taking this line every time if it moves
faster. Plus, I imagine I won't have to get the wand and extra searches like I
usually do as a very large, bearded man.
Of course it is "better than a metal detector", it can detect weapons made of
ceramic and plastic. The advantage that I see is the potential for a reduction
in screening personel. A remote operator could evaluate scans from several
security lanes. In addition, there is no longer a reason for the screener to be
on site. Screening could be done from a remote city. We could operate the
carry on viewers in a similar manner. This would allow a smaller isolated crew
the advantage of working more efficiently in a reduced stress environment
without the inherent on site distractions. Finally a way to modernize and
reduce this government agency.
If it can see through any of your clothing, do you think it wouldn't be able to
see through your bra? I don't want my wife going through that thing! When
will they decide it will be enforced on everyone? It seems like I'm going
to take more roadtrips in the near future.
but this time I do."The ACLU's official position is that the body
scanners should not be used as part of regular screening of travelers but can be
used in place of a body cavity search, only when there is probable cause for
such searches"This seems to me to be the correct use of this
I have SEEN passive millimeter wave technology scans/pictures. To say you don't
see every nook and cranny of the person's body is a lie. You can see how much
hair there is: if they shave their pubic hair, you can tell, and you can tell
how much.There are a lot of security people who have been using this
technology for a while. I have seen it used in a police cruiser, pointed at the
sidewalk. From the outside it looks like a standard radar gun, so nobody can
tell. On the inside, it's sort of like watching a group of nudists walking by on
a small, sort of grainy, black-and-white tv screen.You see their
belt, wallet, cell phone, etc. If they have a knife or other weapon, you can see
that, also. But you can also see his 'danglies,' how hairy his chest is, how
large her chest is, what, and if, she shaves (or if he shaves), etc.
Re:hmm; The image is false. These scanners strip you "NAKED". This is all P.R.
razzle dazzle, and is being used to prep the People, for Electronic Chains of
Slavery. Amazing that Utah is one of the first,to bow down, and submit to this
perversion of technology. For you so called men, your wife or daughter is being
stripped searched, right before your eyes, and you stand by like a stupid Slave,
and do nothing. Those that operate these machines are sick and perverted. Oh,
and the best part is, these pictures are dumped right away.... Ha Ha ,it is to
laugh. These pictures are to be filed away, and I am sure they won't show up on
the internet. Wink Wink, Nod Nod!
If it can't see through a pair of pants, what's the use? Either the pants were
added to the image to calm our fears about privacy, or the technology is a waste
I don't know if I should be more scared of airport threats, or of security
officers looking into my underwear.