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Published: Friday, March 6 2009 12:00 a.m. MST

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Glad they finally caught them

I'm glad the law finally caught up to these criminals.

Now IF they are guilty and the justice system can convict them... it may restore my confidence that we live in a land governed by law and order, not vigilante acts of violence and destruction from radicals wanting to force THEIR ways upon others.

I know, I know, the ALF people will say, "But the butcher famer is the criminal". But regardless of how convinced you are that this is the case... By the laws of our land what the farmer was doing is 100% "LEGAL" and what the ALF guy did is 100% illegal. Unless you are so radical that you think you're personal law trumps the actual law of the land.

lost in DC

you know, mink pens need to be mucked out every now and again. I think if they ever convict anybody, the judge should consider that fact when imposing a sentence. after appropriate jail time, restitution, and fines, of course

abouttime

Throw the book at these morons. They don't realize (probably because they never got past 6th grade) that domestic ranch mink cannot survive in the wild for more than a few days. They do not have the survival skills of wild mink. They eventually die, outside of their cages, an agonizingly slow death. The rancher is totally within his right to raise these mink. ALF is a disgustingly cowardice organization of thugs and criminals.

Just punishment

Since these loons think animals have the same rights as humans, they need to be charged with homicide for causing the deaths of mink being run over and dying from exposure to the elements.

Common Sense=Uncommon Virtue

Animal activists, who think that animals are on par with man, are idiots, pure and simple.

God said that man was lord of the earth, and not the other way around. Should we take care of the earth? You bet. Should we not kill animals just for the sake of killing? Absolutely.

However, using the animals for our benefit....for food, for clothing, or for companionship, if you wish, there's nothing with that.

FoxWesuoi

To the many people who claim with 100% confidence that they know everything there is to know about mink, check out a youtube video: "Debunking Myths About Mink Liberations". Captive mink survive well once escaped. Much of the wild mink in Utah comes from previous liberated mink. As for predictable comment coming that liberating captive mink is cruel to the mink, don't you make the connection that they are going to be confined and then slaughtered? This is far more cruel than being given a chance to be free and live free and to die free.

Intheend

I don't believe in god, and I see the whole idea that we own animals as archaic and, quite frankly, outdated. But on a brighter note, domesticated mink can survive in the wild. And a fur coat isn't necessary. Besides, how many people can put $9,000 down on a piece of torture and still stomach it without breaking their wallet? Probably a slim few, and they don't matter anyway. This is a dying industry.

Hollister7

Dear FoxWesuoi and Intheend,

Did it ever occur to you that maybe a video on youtube would be edited and doctored? Hmmm. I have worked on a mink farm before and saw first hand how the released mink were suffering. A day after the break in, mink were being recovered who were suffering from dehydration because they were not accustomed to finding their own water with a canal RIGHT next to them. Several died because it got to hot and the were outside without shade. The mink that were released were domesticated, which means they were tame. They were just as confused as everyone else was. Think about it, if you were thrown into either the Iraqi desert or the Amazon jungle you would realize what the mink were feeling. Imagine being thrown into an environment where you have no idea how to survive. To all those who say this industry is failing, the fur industry is one of the only industries that is profiting in this hard economic era. The auto industry is doing much worse! So think about that

Tekakaromatagi

@Intheend

If you don't believe in God why all this moralizing about torturing animals being bad? Why would it be hard to stomach $9000 worth of torture? It is smooth and is fashionable. Why is it bad in yoru view for animals to suffer?

Now, I probably am not going to be buy a $9000 fur coat (actually, I might just to spite the ALF). I don't think it is good to make God's creations suffer. I want to respect the life that God put everywhere. But that is a religious value which I am told should not be applied to those who don't believe in it.

It would help if you better explained your reasoning.

Tekakaromatagi

Jordan

Weird thing, you don't actually have to be fearful of a false god to be a kind, compassionate, and moral person. Mindblowing I know!

brave

Jordan, I fear no false gods.

If you are so intent on being just and good, kind and moral, why don't you and the rest of the anarchists BUY the mink from the farmers? you could then meet your goals in a legal manner and show the rest of us just how kind and good you are.

tired

As long as someone holds something to be true all means justify their means. We applaud unlawful behavior because someone is passionate. How would we feel if the mink farmer was passionate enough to booby trap or heaven forbid defend his own property with those awful guns. Would we respect his passion? I have a very simple solution for those who want change. Purchase any and all things that irritate you. You'd like to protect the poor mink then anty up and pay the farmer the going rate and everyone is happy. Not to happy about a development then feel free to purchase the ground and use it your own way. No violence just step up and put your but on the line. Until then if the law is on the books enforce it or change it. Crush criminals and we might see a safer environment for all! If you don't like the law or situation step up and change things. Put your money where your heart is and we'll see how passionate you really are. Criminals should go to jail!

Steve olsen

@holister7 I'm no animal rights person, I do feel fur is wrong. But to the point you say the fur industry is the only business profiting in this poor economic time. A. This is not true many businesses are still prosperous. B. The fur industry has seen a decline in sales by 80% this last year alone. This isn't even counting the decline from years prior. It's a failing industry. I'd strongly suggest pulling out any investment in it and putting it into something more profitable such as electromamograms I predict a rise in that soon.

You Miss the Point

There are good and bad in all groups of people in our society. There are good and bad cops, there are good and bad judges, teachers, lawyers, chefs, and auto mechanics. The list could go on and on. Bottom line there are good and bad farmers and good and bad animal rights supporters. You can't label someone just because they fit into a group any more than you should profile someone just because of their race. I know for a fact that mink can survive in the wild. I have seen mink that had escaped from pens years ago prior to all this present day stuff that were surviving in the wild. Of course I am only talking of a few and not the thousands which I am sure could not all survive. The argument about the animal rights people buying all the mink from the farmers is ridiculous. The farmers would just use the money to buy more or raise more mink. I don't support releasing or raising mink. I hope these kids are not guilty and I do hope they find the real guilty people so these kids can be left alone.

Hollister7

Dear Steve Olsen,
You took my comment out of context. I did not mean to say that the fur industry is THE ONLY business profitting. There are many industries that are profitting also during this economic hardship. I was just pointing out that the fur industry is not failing at all like Intheend states. The sales have not decreased 80% from last year. In fact they are staying relatively similar to that of last year and the year before. There is a difference of ten to fifteen dollars between what a pelt is worth now and what it was worth last year.

You Miss the Point

I find it interesting that these two boys were indicted and both said they are not guilty. I sure hope the feds have more hard evidence than maybe a he said or she said sort of thing. So because of that, these two boys have to wait in jail for a couple of months till their trial. It just does not seem right.
I hope they are not just doing this to these boys just to set some sort of example to the animal rights community or because they need to hurry and get this case solved, cause people are getting sick of it. They do need to get this case solved but not at the expense of ruining two young men's lives. If they are guilty and if the feds do have the hard evidence against these boys, then why did they harass the other two kids? I'm sure this case is far from being over and we will be reading about it for months to come. I also hope that if these kids are innocent that the feds are forced to pay them some kind of retribution for the damages they have caused them.

vlasak is a sissy

Why does the ALF keep killing animals? thousands of mink, 2500 chickens, 60 raptors in a fire in Italy. Animal lovers? B.S. You selfish, confused, angry people need to stop being such hypocrites. When your actions suffocate and torture animals, how do you justify it? Grow up.

Chris.

I read over these comments and immediately become embarrassed about being a member of the human species.

All I seem to deduce from everyone's comments are the following:

Law iz good.
Terrorizts r stupid.

Words cannot express my contempt for the human race.

Kay

Mink released from mink farm. Mink get run over by cars and killed by predators. Is Utah even a viable habitat for mink? Way to drive your point home guys. I'm in no way advocating the wearing of fur, but is this a logical answer?

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