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UTAH Bill | 4:35 a.m. March 5, 2009
I find it odd a Professor, who should know about research concepts, attacks a
study for not including elements beyond the stated parameters. It does not make
sense the researchers would focus on or make conclusions about elements they did
not study.
The study was about ON-LINE pornography. To extrapolate beyond that issue may be interesting, but it's not scientific.
The study was about ON-LINE pornography. To extrapolate beyond that issue may be interesting, but it's not scientific.
Stalwart Sentinel | 6:00 a.m. March 5, 2009
Complete now? Not quite.
To Cheryl's first point, after one minute of research (as opposed to 'substantial research on pornography consumption') I found the PEW doesn't agree w/ Cheryl deeming Utah 'very high' in internet use. Given their three indicators (rural, urban, and principal city) the only one that may comparatively be classed as 'high' (not 'very high') was rural. And guess where 4 of the 5 most porn watching areas in Utah are found? In rural areas! Oh Cheryl, seems like you're right!
But what about the fact this is based on a per capita basis and the rural areas are, by definition, less populated? Why not account for that, Cheryl?
On the other hand, the more 'rural' Utah gets the higher the percentage of Mormons. So... what does that mean, Cheryl?
To her other three assertions: uhm, do they seem like separate renditions of the same point to anyone else? Does Cheryl 'account for' everything by merely repeating something over and over? And then does she 'account for' these laws, as any legal scholar would, by failing to address the fact that they violate the Dormant Commerce Clause? Or_that_this_report_is_narrowed_and_directed_solely_at_internet_use,_not_hard_copy_porn? Something_tells_me_Cheryl_still_has_a_long_way_to_go_before_she_has_accounted_for_her_own_mistakes. Nice_try_though. Keep_up_the_justifications_professor!
To Cheryl's first point, after one minute of research (as opposed to 'substantial research on pornography consumption') I found the PEW doesn't agree w/ Cheryl deeming Utah 'very high' in internet use. Given their three indicators (rural, urban, and principal city) the only one that may comparatively be classed as 'high' (not 'very high') was rural. And guess where 4 of the 5 most porn watching areas in Utah are found? In rural areas! Oh Cheryl, seems like you're right!
But what about the fact this is based on a per capita basis and the rural areas are, by definition, less populated? Why not account for that, Cheryl?
On the other hand, the more 'rural' Utah gets the higher the percentage of Mormons. So... what does that mean, Cheryl?
To her other three assertions: uhm, do they seem like separate renditions of the same point to anyone else? Does Cheryl 'account for' everything by merely repeating something over and over? And then does she 'account for' these laws, as any legal scholar would, by failing to address the fact that they violate the Dormant Commerce Clause? Or_that_this_report_is_narrowed_and_directed_solely_at_internet_use,_not_hard_copy_porn? Something_tells_me_Cheryl_still_has_a_long_way_to_go_before_she_has_accounted_for_her_own_mistakes. Nice_try_though. Keep_up_the_justifications_professor!
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Huh? | 6:15 a.m. March 5, 2009
How does failing to account for non-online pornography and computer savvy-ness
affect a report on on-line pornography?
Easy answer - It doesn't. The article was about on-line pornography. Trying to excuse that by saying "Well, Utahns can't get pornography in other ways" sounds really pathetic.
If the article had claimed that Utahns are the biggest consumers of ALL pornography, than you would be correct in wondering if those other factors had been taken into account.
How about instead of crying over how the data paints a picture we don't like, we try to determine a REALISTIC (i.e. not legislative) way to address the problem?
Easy answer - It doesn't. The article was about on-line pornography. Trying to excuse that by saying "Well, Utahns can't get pornography in other ways" sounds really pathetic.
If the article had claimed that Utahns are the biggest consumers of ALL pornography, than you would be correct in wondering if those other factors had been taken into account.
How about instead of crying over how the data paints a picture we don't like, we try to determine a REALISTIC (i.e. not legislative) way to address the problem?
@john c | 6:48 a.m. March 5, 2009
that chip on your shoulder must be getting heavy but hay its a great way to just
roundly dismiss even legitimate arguments or concerns.
Robert Johnson | 6:59 a.m. March 5, 2009
Nice Attempt at rationalization.
If you really are in law school, your analysis should embarass you. Such unsubstantiated speculation would never hold up in court.
If you really are in law school, your analysis should embarass you. Such unsubstantiated speculation would never hold up in court.
Denial | 7:07 a.m. March 5, 2009
Obviously this professor wants to live in a world where nothing bad ever happens
in Utah. LDS Apostles, G.A.'s and Bishops have been saying for years that
porn is the biggest (or at least way up there) problem for MEN in the LDS
church. Why can't people admit they have a problem and fix it, instead of
denying it exists. By trying to rationalize that "hard-copy"porn is
hard to get doesn't show that Utah doesn't have a porn problem. Maybe
so many people are viewing online porn because they can't get
"hard-copy" porn. You would think a professor could figure that one
out.
Didn't a report a few years ago also say that Utah has the highest rate of prescription drug abuse? I guess because we don't have access to a lot of cocaine, heroin, and LSD we aren't really using any drugs here.
Stop living in denial. Utah has a porn problem. We need to fix it, not rationalize it.
Didn't a report a few years ago also say that Utah has the highest rate of prescription drug abuse? I guess because we don't have access to a lot of cocaine, heroin, and LSD we aren't really using any drugs here.
Stop living in denial. Utah has a porn problem. We need to fix it, not rationalize it.
fred hilmer | 7:07 a.m. March 5, 2009
Just tell everyone you only read the articles. Yeah, they'll believe that.
Anonymous | 7:24 a.m. March 5, 2009
Guys, this letter is a horrible attempt at spin.
uncannygunman | 7:46 a.m. March 5, 2009
I think the letter raises some very fair points, although I don't
necessarily agree with the conclusion.
@ denial | 7:58 a.m. March 5, 2009
"porn problem"?
"porn" is over 7,200 years old, trying to deny or escape "porn" is like trying to denying what it means to be human.
Good luck with trying to "fix" the "problem".
"porn" is over 7,200 years old, trying to deny or escape "porn" is like trying to denying what it means to be human.
Good luck with trying to "fix" the "problem".
Lagomorph | 7:59 a.m. March 5, 2009
I have not read the actual study, but as I recall from news reports, the study
did correct for different levels of internet access amongst states, age
demographics, etc. and Utah still ranked on top. The letter writer's last
three points are all variations of the same theme. As I recall, the study did
acknowledge the difficulty of accessing adult content locally from other media
as one possible explanation for the high Utah ranking for online usage. She is
not raising a new argument.
The overwhelming preponderance of socially conservative "red" states in the higher ranks and the relative absence of more liberal "blue" states is the key finding. It suggests that public displays of morality can be smokescreens for private vice. It parallels other studies showing higher rates of teen pregnancy, poverty, etc. in red states. Not to mention lottery ticket sales in Preston, ID. Conservatives may be due for some self reflection. Censorship and control may not be the best mechanisms to limit sin. Constructive engagement and freedom may be.
The overwhelming preponderance of socially conservative "red" states in the higher ranks and the relative absence of more liberal "blue" states is the key finding. It suggests that public displays of morality can be smokescreens for private vice. It parallels other studies showing higher rates of teen pregnancy, poverty, etc. in red states. Not to mention lottery ticket sales in Preston, ID. Conservatives may be due for some self reflection. Censorship and control may not be the best mechanisms to limit sin. Constructive engagement and freedom may be.
One more thing | 9:05 a.m. March 5, 2009
One more thing this study doesn't account for:
It only measured the instances of porn subscriptions, i.e. the number of people paying for porn. It fails to account for the people who are getting porn for free, which I suspect is the vast majority of porn users.
Maybe other states are just saavier than Utah at knowing where to get good porn for free.
It only measured the instances of porn subscriptions, i.e. the number of people paying for porn. It fails to account for the people who are getting porn for free, which I suspect is the vast majority of porn users.
Maybe other states are just saavier than Utah at knowing where to get good porn for free.
PandaUte | 9:39 a.m. March 5, 2009
The author's comments make sense, overall. If broader measures of
pornography use were evaluated (online & hard-copy), Utah's profile
might look less egregious.
However, it's hard to discount the alarming data this study does reveal--alibis notwithstanding. Paradoxically, I suspect Utah's doggedly conservative and Mormon culture factors heavily into the statistical cause. With so many eyes watching, I imagine the anonymity of online pornography is a comfort for those seeking out what they are told is forbidden.
However, it's hard to discount the alarming data this study does reveal--alibis notwithstanding. Paradoxically, I suspect Utah's doggedly conservative and Mormon culture factors heavily into the statistical cause. With so many eyes watching, I imagine the anonymity of online pornography is a comfort for those seeking out what they are told is forbidden.
Jason | 9:40 a.m. March 5, 2009
I find it so amusing that Utahn's still want to paint this holier than thou
picture to the entire world when it is not true! Online pornography is not
allowed in the state of Utah? Are you kidding me with this load of bull?! The
report also stated that it is the highest among most of the Red states, not just
Utah. So the whole mormon bashing bull is also a flawed argument. When will the
mormons stop playing the victim? It's old and tired ladies and gentlemen! I
totally agree with Lagomorph's views. Ye without sin cast the first stone!
Let's just fix the problem instead of ralitionizing it.
Facing problems | 9:49 a.m. March 5, 2009
I think there is a problem. Notwithstanding the dearth of these indecent
materials from other (non-internet) outlets, the report is still sobering.
There is no way to solve it other than changes in personal behaviors, commitments, and conquering addictive habits. While some of the problem is with non-Mormons and there are a great many in some parts of Utah, it also involves many young and some older people who are to some degree active in their faith.
I hope that we will successfully combat this addiction; the Church will continue, I am sure, to teach and counsel against it and I hope will succeed in changing hearts and minds.
I also hope that the addictive soap operas, which glamorize adultery will be addressed in due course. I am sure this will help to stop the rationalization of divorce in many cases.
There is no way to solve it other than changes in personal behaviors, commitments, and conquering addictive habits. While some of the problem is with non-Mormons and there are a great many in some parts of Utah, it also involves many young and some older people who are to some degree active in their faith.
I hope that we will successfully combat this addiction; the Church will continue, I am sure, to teach and counsel against it and I hope will succeed in changing hearts and minds.
I also hope that the addictive soap operas, which glamorize adultery will be addressed in due course. I am sure this will help to stop the rationalization of divorce in many cases.
Anonymous | 10:10 a.m. March 5, 2009
This report was about people who PAY for internet porn. I think that the real
problem is that Utahns must be stupid to pay for something that is free. I get
all the porn I want on the internet and have never paid one penny.
GeeBee | 10:25 a.m. March 5, 2009
Denial of problems is what the LDS corp does best- with this survey, with its
own history, with the plausibility of its doctrine, and with gays in its rank
and file. Pretend it doesn't exist, and it goes away, right?
Ernest T. Bass | 10:31 a.m. March 5, 2009
This is what they pay professors for down there?
The facts are clear, Utah is a large consumer of internet porn. There is no debating that.
And yes, it is likely men of all walks of life doing it.
The facts are clear, Utah is a large consumer of internet porn. There is no debating that.
And yes, it is likely men of all walks of life doing it.
If true | 10:42 a.m. March 5, 2009
I think I read or heard on the new somewhere that Utah is an Employers haven
because of our higher than average population that both have casual access to
computers and are computer savvy; if that is true, then the authors point of
higher than average percapita access to this porn medium is valid.
Take that as valid, then the results may well be skewed because of the severe reduction porn available via other medium.
Take that as valid, then the results may well be skewed because of the severe reduction porn available via other medium.
"good girls" | 11:02 a.m. March 5, 2009
Back in the day, good girls didnt: kiss on the 1st date; call the boy on the
phone; ask for the date (Sadie Hawkins aside); ask for the dance; show off her
midriff, or other body parts.
The good girl did: wear cloths that flattered her figure; expect to be treated with respect, physically and sexually.
If todays TV and movies (Disney included) are to be believed, the girl with the values of the good girl then is the nerd,the butt of the joke today, who cant get a date without a sexual makeover.
The good girl of today: dances like she is having sex with her partner; dresses like she is for sale; takes the lead in all relationships, familial, social and intimate.
Maybe this is where we could begin to make changes. There are those who say Utah is too restrictive and morally backward, if that is the case, this research report shows, sadly we are on the leading edge of high tech porno.
The good girl did: wear cloths that flattered her figure; expect to be treated with respect, physically and sexually.
If todays TV and movies (Disney included) are to be believed, the girl with the values of the good girl then is the nerd,the butt of the joke today, who cant get a date without a sexual makeover.
The good girl of today: dances like she is having sex with her partner; dresses like she is for sale; takes the lead in all relationships, familial, social and intimate.
Maybe this is where we could begin to make changes. There are those who say Utah is too restrictive and morally backward, if that is the case, this research report shows, sadly we are on the leading edge of high tech porno.
@GeeBee | 11:02 a.m. March 5, 2009
You are at least consistent in your anti-Mormon stance. Hardly credible
though.
Anyone who listens to General Conference knows that the LDS Church is always speaking out against the use of porn by any of its members, male or female.
Anyone who listens to General Conference knows that the LDS Church is always speaking out against the use of porn by any of its members, male or female.
Titillation | 11:36 a.m. March 5, 2009
Maybe if we didnt sexualize with movie like expectations there would be less
need for movie standards/porn to fulfill the sexual desire. For example, todays
movie and much of TV leave little to the imagination and the bodies of the
people involved are either above average or movie magiced to appear as such.
If there is truth to what we have been told about repeated examples of the ideal body in the media causing girls to be anorexic and bulimic, then why is it not seen that the repeated exposure to unrealistic sexual behavior or partners (bodies, frequency, commitment/lack there of and/or situations) would lead to one being less than satisfied with a normal situation, with a normal partner with normal appetites? Therefore leading to the individuals need for visual action/porn to provide the perfect body, activity and unlimited access?
Look back Doris Day and Rock Hudson films e.g. Pillow Talk the message is clear but not titillating.
We can still be adults without being titillated at each love scene.
If there is truth to what we have been told about repeated examples of the ideal body in the media causing girls to be anorexic and bulimic, then why is it not seen that the repeated exposure to unrealistic sexual behavior or partners (bodies, frequency, commitment/lack there of and/or situations) would lead to one being less than satisfied with a normal situation, with a normal partner with normal appetites? Therefore leading to the individuals need for visual action/porn to provide the perfect body, activity and unlimited access?
Look back Doris Day and Rock Hudson films e.g. Pillow Talk the message is clear but not titillating.
We can still be adults without being titillated at each love scene.
wrz | 11:45 a.m. March 5, 2009
@UTAH Bill | 4:35 a.m.)
>>>The study was about ON-LINE pornography. To extrapolate beyond that issue may be interesting, but it's not scientific.<<<
Maybe this will help: If you were to make a study about the consumption of taro root, and you limited your sample to Hawaii you would likely get a hundred percent hit. If you expanded the sample to the United states you might get no more than a one percent hit. Does that help?
>>>The study was about ON-LINE pornography. To extrapolate beyond that issue may be interesting, but it's not scientific.<<<
Maybe this will help: If you were to make a study about the consumption of taro root, and you limited your sample to Hawaii you would likely get a hundred percent hit. If you expanded the sample to the United states you might get no more than a one percent hit. Does that help?
Hot pants | 11:47 a.m. March 5, 2009
Utah has had a problem with sex issues since 1847.
Standards | 11:53 a.m. March 5, 2009
Media displays the hook up/booty call as normal, natural and common with all age
groups. They would also have one think that if they dont, at least, kiss on
the first date that there is something wrong with them or you. If a couple has
been seeing each other for a month or more, the big question, who moves in with
whom? Relationships start, consummate and end in the run of a to 2 hour show,
unwed mothers are heroines, live-ins the standard of loving relationship,
infidelity and promiscuity the expected.
There was a time when it was considered risqu to show a couple in a long, intimate embrace; back then it was assumed the audience was intelligent enough to know/figure out what happened next. The woman whose dress showed too much was the bad women and the men who took advantage of her were bad also.
The good guys (male/female) were dressed in fashion but not vulgar, sexy but not sleazy and moral.
Is there something wrong with that standard? Maybe STD;s, unwed teen mothers and boyfriend-abused child and porn in all its media would become less of a prevalent.
There was a time when it was considered risqu to show a couple in a long, intimate embrace; back then it was assumed the audience was intelligent enough to know/figure out what happened next. The woman whose dress showed too much was the bad women and the men who took advantage of her were bad also.
The good guys (male/female) were dressed in fashion but not vulgar, sexy but not sleazy and moral.
Is there something wrong with that standard? Maybe STD;s, unwed teen mothers and boyfriend-abused child and porn in all its media would become less of a prevalent.
Susan | 11:53 a.m. March 5, 2009
to John C. 2:40 a.m. who said: "There is nothing good about it."
There is nothing more beautiful and breath-taking as a western sunset, a glacier covered mountain vista, a mountain glen of wild flowers, or a scantily clad or even totally naked lady such as Venus De Milo.
There is nothing more beautiful and breath-taking as a western sunset, a glacier covered mountain vista, a mountain glen of wild flowers, or a scantily clad or even totally naked lady such as Venus De Milo.
All Knowing | 12:00 p.m. March 5, 2009
@Stalwart Sentinel 6:00 a.m.)
>>>On the other hand, the more 'rural' Utah gets the higher the percentage of Mormons. So... what does that mean, Cheryl?<<<
What it might mean is that the dominant Utah church discourages all but the most puritanical sexual conduct, if that. This leaves a large hunger for the exercising of human sexuality in some other format. A hunger that refuses to be denied.
>>>On the other hand, the more 'rural' Utah gets the higher the percentage of Mormons. So... what does that mean, Cheryl?<<<
What it might mean is that the dominant Utah church discourages all but the most puritanical sexual conduct, if that. This leaves a large hunger for the exercising of human sexuality in some other format. A hunger that refuses to be denied.
Louise | 12:00 p.m. March 5, 2009
This all is because of the UTAH CULTURE that BRIGHAM YOUNG started here. Own up
to your porn mistakes and quit blaming TOM, DICK, HARRY and MARIE.
Fredd | 12:07 p.m. March 5, 2009
First, you do know Rock Hudson was gay? Just checking. And folks, I don't
think hard copy porn is much of a player anywhere. Who is going to a sleazy
adult store to buy a movie when you can get it in the privacy of your own home?
Me thinks Utonians think Las Vegas represents the rest of the country! I also
like the spin about non mormons and mormons of varying degrees of activity. I
also don't think this is an overly critical thing to worry about. Porn is
bad but you are pretty much inline with the rest of the country. Maybe a little
worse per capita, but hey you gotta have a vice right?
Kyle | 12:09 p.m. March 5, 2009
WOW a state of denial! You people are something else.
GeeBee | 12:18 p.m. March 5, 2009
@ @Geebee-
Yet another example of the Mormon "either for us or aggin' us" mentality. Does anything that doesn't confirm or uplift your opinion automatically qualify as "ANTI-"?
Yet another example of the Mormon "either for us or aggin' us" mentality. Does anything that doesn't confirm or uplift your opinion automatically qualify as "ANTI-"?
Gus Talwynd | 12:22 p.m. March 5, 2009
Since the study's thesis (as many others in this thread have pointed out)
is focused on accessing online porn and not access to all porn available in the
marketplace, the letter is not addressing the point.
Like drinking where alcohol abuse is greatest in cultures which demonize its use, pornography appears to be most prevalent in cultures which are more repressive toward sex. Where there is limited outlet for sexual expression (i.e. it is considered "impure" and "dirty"), one wonders if access to pornography is more greatly sought after.
In Muslim countries where sexuality is the most restricted, there may be even greater access to online pornography. Restricting the availability of hardcopy porn or other entertainment does not change the levels of demand.
The bottom line is that people with a healthy attitude toward sexuality may not have such a need for other types of expression. Hence, the study may show much more than was simply stated.
Like drinking where alcohol abuse is greatest in cultures which demonize its use, pornography appears to be most prevalent in cultures which are more repressive toward sex. Where there is limited outlet for sexual expression (i.e. it is considered "impure" and "dirty"), one wonders if access to pornography is more greatly sought after.
In Muslim countries where sexuality is the most restricted, there may be even greater access to online pornography. Restricting the availability of hardcopy porn or other entertainment does not change the levels of demand.
The bottom line is that people with a healthy attitude toward sexuality may not have such a need for other types of expression. Hence, the study may show much more than was simply stated.
Can't have it both ways | 12:24 p.m. March 5, 2009
Anti-Mormons can't have it both ways.
We can't be logically criticized as being a 'backwater' that is 'behind the times' because we don't always dress trendily enough, are against porn and indecency generally, and also be criticized as being addicted to pornography and therefore immoral.
How many times are we told that we are living 'back in the Fifties or Sixties? Those were times with little abortion and stricter moral standards. That is my favorite criticism because it criticises us for not being evil.
Even the 'repression' model doesn't work. If, as data tells us, that there are less unmarried mothers in Utah etc then we must be doing something good. There is still much room for improvement of course.
We can't be logically criticized as being a 'backwater' that is 'behind the times' because we don't always dress trendily enough, are against porn and indecency generally, and also be criticized as being addicted to pornography and therefore immoral.
How many times are we told that we are living 'back in the Fifties or Sixties? Those were times with little abortion and stricter moral standards. That is my favorite criticism because it criticises us for not being evil.
Even the 'repression' model doesn't work. If, as data tells us, that there are less unmarried mothers in Utah etc then we must be doing something good. There is still much room for improvement of course.
Oh Please | 12:51 p.m. March 5, 2009
Cheryl, even if the guy is half right, Mormon Utah is still steaming away on
their private computers at a pretty high rate. The loudest voices against porn
are the ones who are obsessed with it.
wrz | 12:59 p.m. March 5, 2009
@Gus Talwynd (12:22 p.m.)
>>>In Muslim countries where sexuality is the most restricted, there may be even greater access to online pornography.<<<
Muslim men apparently get all the sex the want accounting for their significantly higher than average reproduction numbers. Little or no need for porn. Women, including Muslim women, have little drive to access porn.
>>>In Muslim countries where sexuality is the most restricted, there may be even greater access to online pornography.<<<
Muslim men apparently get all the sex the want accounting for their significantly higher than average reproduction numbers. Little or no need for porn. Women, including Muslim women, have little drive to access porn.
Sam the Man | 1:12 p.m. March 5, 2009
One more thing | 9:05 a.m.: "It fails to account for the people who are
getting porn for free, which I suspect is the vast majority of porn
users."
Excellent point. If the study included only the paid for sites it shows that Utahns at least pay for what they get whilst others are getting something for noting... accessing only free sites.
Excellent point. If the study included only the paid for sites it shows that Utahns at least pay for what they get whilst others are getting something for noting... accessing only free sites.
No thanks to bad rubbish | 1:34 p.m. March 5, 2009
People of Utah need to own up to your cultural flaws there. Perhaps the ANTIS
(as you constantly put it) are better off not participating in your bad cultural
habits. Porn is evil no matter how you care to view it.
Sam the Man | 2:03 p.m. March 5, 2009
@No thanks to bad rubbish (1:34 p.m.)
"Porn is evil no matter how you care to view it."
True, and you see it every day on the streets and in the malls where women wear tight jeans and low-cut tops. This has got to stop. Where is the Muslim's Sharia Law when you need it? Where are the boutiques showing off the latest in burkas?
"Porn is evil no matter how you care to view it."
True, and you see it every day on the streets and in the malls where women wear tight jeans and low-cut tops. This has got to stop. Where is the Muslim's Sharia Law when you need it? Where are the boutiques showing off the latest in burkas?
to wrz | 2:19 p.m. March 5, 2009
I think its all because the women of Utah who are deprived and restricted.... So
they go online to sneak a peak!
RE: Robert Johnson | 2:26 p.m. March 5, 2009
Hey, Robert, Cheryly Preston is a member of the faculty at the BYU Law School
and she is doing great work on cyber-porn law. And to everyone else criticizing
her assessment, the study is misleading in that it makes it look like Utahns are
abnormally high consumers of porn, and the way the article was written could
have been taken as saying the same thing. She was merely clarifying the point
you used to attack her: that the study was only about internet porn
subscriptions, and thus is inherently incomplete.
wrz | 3:37 p.m. March 5, 2009
to wrz | 2:19 p.m.:
>>
If women of Utah, of anywhere else, are deprived, it's self-inflicted.
You can't necessarily blame women. Much of the deprivation can be attributed to what has been been taught in pre-pubescence.
Gus Talwynd | 3:55 p.m. March 5, 2009
If you look long enough and hard enough you can find data to support/detract
from any idea, study, or observation one can make. It doesn't matter what
the merits, arguing both sides is a useful diversion.
RE: Robert Johnson | 2:26 p.m.
" . . . to everyone else criticizing her assessment, the study is misleading in that it makes it look like Utahns are abnormally high consumers of porn."
The study was only about subscription to online porn sites. Keep to the central data being presented and note that it didn't say " . . . state with the most porn users", since Utah has a relatively small population, it will never have the most porn users!
RE: Robert Johnson | 2:26 p.m.
" . . . to everyone else criticizing her assessment, the study is misleading in that it makes it look like Utahns are abnormally high consumers of porn."
The study was only about subscription to online porn sites. Keep to the central data being presented and note that it didn't say " . . . state with the most porn users", since Utah has a relatively small population, it will never have the most porn users!
I believe! | 4:42 p.m. March 5, 2009
Why are people so swift to accept the results of some inane, far off study by an
ivy league professor? Oh, because it makes Mormons look bad. How sad. Remember,
84 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot.
GeeBee | 5:06 p.m. March 5, 2009
@ I believe-
Here's why...because Ivy League, peer-reviewed studies take academic precedence over Utahns with chips on their shoulders about anything that pops the "all is well" bubble. As soon as someone can get a similar study done at an equally credible university with equal peer-review, I'll listen. Until then, apologetics and rationalizing won't cut it.
Here's why...because Ivy League, peer-reviewed studies take academic precedence over Utahns with chips on their shoulders about anything that pops the "all is well" bubble. As soon as someone can get a similar study done at an equally credible university with equal peer-review, I'll listen. Until then, apologetics and rationalizing won't cut it.
Linda | 5:29 p.m. March 5, 2009
To GEEBEE, I'm with you.
@ GeeBee | 6:08 p.m. March 5, 2009
Someone needs to come in and clean up Utah.
John C. | 6:37 p.m. March 5, 2009
To Susan: Yes I agree with your comments but I believe as beautiful as the
human body is, it is also sacred. But we have trashed it.
An Observer | 6:42 p.m. March 5, 2009
It never ceases the unfounded attacks and assualts by non-mormon and
anti-mormons on mormons.
The actaul numbers are very small somethinkg 15,000 or so the out of some 2.5 million people of Utah,
since less than 70% are mormon,
thats a non-mormon population of over 750,000!
that can easily cover the 15,000 or so online porn users.
The numbers do not lie.
Only 3% or less of of non-mormons need to use porn, to cover all the number of users in utah.
The numbers do not lie.
But the jumping to conclusions by anti-mormons and non-mormons can be deceitful, a lie.
The actaul numbers are very small somethinkg 15,000 or so the out of some 2.5 million people of Utah,
since less than 70% are mormon,
thats a non-mormon population of over 750,000!
that can easily cover the 15,000 or so online porn users.
The numbers do not lie.
Only 3% or less of of non-mormons need to use porn, to cover all the number of users in utah.
The numbers do not lie.
But the jumping to conclusions by anti-mormons and non-mormons can be deceitful, a lie.
GeeBee | 7:21 p.m. March 5, 2009
@ An Observer...
I find it odd that whenever Utah receives praise, the Mormons are quick to take credit, citing their large portion of the population. Then, when something like this comes out, they are quick to point out how their numbers are dwindling.
I find it odd that whenever Utah receives praise, the Mormons are quick to take credit, citing their large portion of the population. Then, when something like this comes out, they are quick to point out how their numbers are dwindling.
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Despite the articles accuracy it is still disturbing. My son in law works with troubled boys who have porn addictions. Porn is as mind altering as any drug, especially on youth. There is nothing good about it. For anyone who cares to look it up, there is a lot of research on how harmful porn is. But I know there are people who will comment on this and say theres nothing wrong with it. I believe we live in that time Isaiah said people would call good evil and evil good.