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  • RE: Star Chamber Time?
    March 5, 2009 12:33 a.m.

    Let's hope you aren't accused of being in a gang or have evidence planted on you to suggest that you are, because then you will be crying for the lawyers and the court system you rail against. Hollywood is not real-life, and it's not gonna work like that. Think next time before you speak.

  • Amazing !
    March 3, 2009 11:00 p.m.

    how self rightous blogger can get when they're behind a keyboard

  • Wake up
    March 3, 2009 10:36 p.m.

    One thing that attracts gang members are crowds, when picking a fight there must be a crowd, they need a audience. Its the attention there looking for. These gang members or anyone looking to be in one have very LOW SELF ESTEEM. A real man is one that can stand alone against all these bad things and say I will not be involved in such childish acts.

  • IMHO
    March 3, 2009 7:42 p.m.

    Gangs are the real threat to America. It's unfortunate that some people feel more threatened by gays and lesbians wanting to legally marry.

  • Fix it
    March 3, 2009 7:26 p.m.

    Parents of gang members should go to jail or be deported along with their gang member children!
    Parents HAVE to parent. You don't know your kid is in a gang? Do you talk to your child at all? Do you care what your child grows up to be, if he or she grows up? No excuses. Everybody works. Stop making excuses for your kid. Stop believing their lies because it's what you want to hear. Because then you don't have to deal with it. And give your kid some quality time. I'd take quality over quantity any day. Enjoy your children.
    Thank you police officers.

  • Ralph
    March 3, 2009 6:37 p.m.

    50% of the parents do not know that their kids are in gangs? Talk about denial.

  • Mike B
    March 3, 2009 6:05 p.m.

    Gangs have been around 100's of years, nay thousands of years. Tribes of all races banded together for safety and eventually they became cultured society. The Greeks, Romans, Goths, Huns, Mongol Hordes, Aztecs, Mayans, Egyptians, etc. To think that this is a new problem is ridiculous. The gangs of NY, the KKK, White Supremacists, and you think that the Mob is just a criminal organization? Get real. Yes gangs are a sad commentary on our civilization. Yes, grief and sorrow follow, but to ship them out, line them up against the wall and shoot them, are all just knee jerk reaction to the problem. Poverty is no excuse to join a gang. Lack of a family environment is the prevailing excuse and yet plenty of people rise above their circumstances to lead productive lives in spite of their surroundings. Education is the real answer. Intelligence and learning cry out against this form of terroristic activity. Yes the immigrant should learn our language as well as our laws. And we should be more civilized neighbors and help them rather than stand idly by and watch the horror show. We all need to join the human family.

  • @ get off it Anonymous! |
    March 3, 2009 5:30 p.m.

    Amen brother, Amen!

  • Parkite
    March 3, 2009 5:27 p.m.

    Let Energy Solutions store these gang members in one of there facilities.

  • Little Jimmy Brady
    March 3, 2009 4:21 p.m.

    This story is just why we need SB81 to become law this year. we must fight against Illegals. Look at the boarder see what's going on, stop them now or it's coming home to roost in your back yard!

  • Did you know
    March 3, 2009 4:20 p.m.

    that the drug cartels just below our southern border has killed over 7000 people in 2008? Is anybody up in arms over this or even nervous yet. The entire Iraq war has killed about 4200 US soldiers over a 7 year period. There are about 100,000 drug cartel soldiers ready to challenge the Mexican government and ANYBODY else that gets in their way, right next to our border. If we really need to pull out of Iraq, I know right where we can send them. Our southern border is in deparate need of a military presence ASAP! Also these gang bangers are really just a part of the drug cartels infiltrating into our society. Can anybody else see this! Are the politicians just too busy with precious earmarks to react to this obvious problem?

  • question
    March 3, 2009 4:10 p.m.

    I did not see the gang signs from the Utes at the Sugar Bowl. I saw some players make a 'U' with their hands, but what did I miss?

  • Bad for us
    March 3, 2009 3:57 p.m.

    The UofU looked real bad on national TV with the gang signs. We are sorry to be associated with the Utes.

  • Jorge didn't help
    March 3, 2009 3:40 p.m.

    The Mexican president dictates our immigration laws. All the time big-mouth Jorge Bush was thumping his chest proclaiming what hard work it is protecting the American people, the borders were/are wide open for these vermin to cross back and forth. Its time to close the borders and enforce our laws rather than reward illegal immigration by providing health care, schooling, and entitlements that they havent earned. CLOSE THE BORDER NOW!

  • australia
    March 3, 2009 3:01 p.m.

    No matter what has been posted up here and no matter what the argument is... we are living in the last days and we expect it to be much more worse in the future than it is today, keep that in mind, it has been prophesied to come to pass, in knowing that, we should then be living daily to ensure we are spiritually in tune and with the armor of God, prepare for harder times to come.. attitude, knowledge, understanding and anticipating the coming of our Savior... everything that happens in the states happens here in Australia or new zealand, are we surprised? we shouldnt be.. we should just go about our life's and be like unto the ten virgins.. we spend too much time do-ting on 'life as we no it' yet we either are five virgins who are preparing for the bridegroom or five who foolishly engage in other activities... I know what kind of Life we all Live whilst here in this 'telestial state' but I choose to live beyond it becos I long to see the millennium, for Christ to be head of the Govt and peace to reign!

  • Officers
    March 3, 2009 2:52 p.m.

    I just want to applaud the efforts of these officers, the dedication and sacrifices they make to try and help these kids while protecting all of us is commendable.

  • Star Chamber time!
    March 3, 2009 2:51 p.m.

    We need to re-write some laws so society can exterminate these gang-bangers from our streets. These new laws would eliminate the need for lawyers and court time to deal with the scum that belong to gangs. We could then clean up our neighborhoods and reclaim the communities we live in without the threat of drive-bys and other low life activity. Oh by the way, Star Chamber was a movie that dealt with this kind of a theory. It would work!

  • Hey gang bangers!
    March 3, 2009 2:41 p.m.

    Just show your sorry face around where we live and you'll regret the day you were born. We don't put up with anybodys' BS here!!

  • Re: clown feet
    March 3, 2009 2:37 p.m.

    I especially enjoyed your comment. Gang members can diss society, but once society disses gang members, the gangs throw a "fit" of drive-by shootings and other nonsensical violence.

    Gangs are ridiculous b/c they feel like they are entitled to something.

    Cut off the gangs by enacting harsh penalties in our criminal statutes. Make it a felony to belong to a gang, period.

  • get off it Anonymous!
    March 3, 2009 1:53 p.m.

    there are plenty of Americans who put the same effort in doing good rather than bad ...regardless of eco- socio crap as mentioned...I am a native american who came up the hard way but one thing rings true!! the forefathers of all legals , blacks whites, bled for this country...we don't cry about it...and as far as illegal giving cause to economics...I want my sons and daughters to reap what this country has to offer..the right way...ship these people back as they don't belong here anymore than I do in MEXICO!!...Start with the HOMELESS SHELTER...there you see...the aftermat of so many having it good, then go down to the social service, schools , emergency rooms, while one of my sons lies in the cemetary because he gave his all for our homeland right here...let these people go...they trample over the rights of real Americans and act arrogant as heck wheter serving burgers or waiting in line at the western Union...then try to get a job , where they are the majority and you know where you fit in right off...The Law is not for Sale!

  • DMH
    March 3, 2009 1:48 p.m.

    When I was growing up, we had a Mexican gang in our neighborhood and they would beat up our neighbors and break into people homes and rob them for their kicks. My families home was broken into 3 times before they were all finally caught by the police and throw in prison. Now for the real kicker, they committed all of these crimes with their parents PERMISSION, because their parents made more money hocking off the loot that was stolen, than they could make on welfare. The parents didn't want to work, or be productive in our neighborhood. The only way that we got rid of them was by working with the police and making their lives so miserable, that they all moved away, or were thrown in prison. Most of them died in prison, but you can't tell me that the parents of these current gang bangers don't know, because I bet they are the formation of the gangs to begin with.

  • X-Chino Prison Guard
    March 3, 2009 1:40 p.m.

    I moved away from SO-CAL to rid myself from this dirt, now they are in Utah? Where do I go now? Better yet, take back our streets,pass anti-gang laws, and lock up the scum. Trust me, they don't go away...

  • washcomom
    March 3, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    one word - Gadianton.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 1:22 p.m.

    For those that want to reduce gang participation by illegal immigrants to a few specific things, as well as the remedy thereof, may want to consider the following:
    There is an economic and sociological cost/benefit to illegal immigration. The US government allows illegal immigration because the economic benefits outweigh adverse sociological ones. They are aware of the downside but maintain the status quo because it provides cheap labor. The US is extremely self-serving. It never comes off on the losing side of economics that is why it is the most powerful county on earth. And it is also why it is driven by economics. If illegal immigration werent profitable it would have been stopped long ago. Which state has largest GDP? California. Illegal immigrants by in large, migrate to the US for one reason employment. Though they may consider some of the sociological adversities before migrating, ultimately finding steady employment is most important. Once here reality sets in minimum wage or limited earning potential, no parental supervision, low graduation rates, gang participation, increased poverty, language challenges and so on and so forth. Therefore gang participation by illegal Hispanics is based on economics more than anything else.

  • Clown feet
    March 3, 2009 12:39 p.m.

    That part cracked me up. So typical - they think they're being smart and those outside the gang are too stupid to get it. And for some reason it's OK for them to diss outsiders (reporters, cops, etc.) but if someone disses them, they come out en masse with guns blazing.

    This whole thing reminds me of a quote from Golda Meir about the situation in the Middle East. She said, and I'll paraphrase to make it applicable to the gang situation, "There will be peace in the Middle East (or LA or Kearns or Glendale or Rose Park...) when the Arabs (or the gang-bangers) love their own children (or their fellow gang members) more than they hate ours."

    Until gang bangers are willing to GIVE as much respect - or street cred or whatever the catch word is now - as they hope to GET, this will continue to be a problem. They need to realize that life is not about making ME happy, it's about me doing what I can to make OTHERS happy.

  • The Deuce
    March 3, 2009 12:18 p.m.

    We are back to the old argument of what to do with a cancer in our society. For once, let's step up to the plate and go after this with a purpose. The truth is most law enforcement agencies know who the gang members are. It's time we go after these people with the purpose of cutting them out of society. Open up and put a bounty on the heads of the gang leaders and watch a few of them drop. Make the gang environment so dangerous that no one wants to be associated because its "shoot on site" and ask questions later. Give law enforcement the freedom to clean this out. Try it before you trash the idea. It might work very well.

  • Ulusan
    March 3, 2009 12:10 p.m.

    I lived near Compton, CA where gang violence was common. Gang-banging is prevalent where the influence in the home is not strong and positive. Gangs thrive because of a need that the home or community lacks. When a gang bullies in, others form to protect themselves from each other (and white gangs are just as much of a problem!). Those who are weak often join or become prey. Sadly, the innocent are not immune from the scars of gang violence. How do you prevent it once it has infested your neighborhood? SALT is a good start, but neighborhood watch programs need to be active and ALL neighbors need to work together. It's too late to throw blame - bigotry and prejudice is a big part of the cause! But it's not too late to be part of the solution. My neighborhood in L.A. became a safe place to live in again, but it took everyone getting involved, knowing our neighbors, and making them ALL feel part of our neighborhood family. It WILL take time, but isn't it worth it? Love your neighbors no matter what color or ethnicity and work together...or move out!

  • Anom
    March 3, 2009 12:02 p.m.

    The gang bangers are terrorists that need to be locked up. Would we allow a known terorist to walk around waiting for them to do something?

  • good work
    March 3, 2009 11:38 a.m.

    good work, keep it up. Especially the education part and letting the families know what's up.

  • James
    March 3, 2009 11:36 a.m.

    The problem is with immigrant parents. They are shy and most Latinos are VERY family oriented. I'll bet this mother did know and was in denial. She did not want the shame to come to her family that this kind of thing can bring.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 11:29 a.m.

    I personally know two gang members here in California. Both work for the same company as I. When I asked them why they chose to be in a gang their response was surprising. The oldest brother immigrated from Mexico (the youngest brother sadly followed in big brothers shoes). They told me that BEFORE they leave Mexico they are assigned to a gang. Depending on which part of Mexico they come from, North or South, will be the deciding factor of whether they belong to the Cryps or the Bloods. They believe they have to belong to a gang for safety once they cross US soil in order to stay alive. Sadly the hispanic culture gives themselves no choice but to belong to these....yes terroristic...organizations. They have fooled themselves into thinking there are no alternatives. Any siblings born after crossing the border will automatically be in the gang. So...if this nation wants to curb its gang activity then something needs to be done about immigration. It's a national security problem that should be dealt with by Homeland Security. As for the parents not knowing their kids are gang members......think again!

  • re: Hispanics
    March 3, 2009 11:20 a.m.

    How is illegal behavoir, ie. entering the USA without legal permission, and/or overstaying the timeframe of a legal entry document, well LEGAL?

    The law is intolerant of those who break it, those who act illegally. That is why a law is passed - to no longer tolerate behavoir that is deemed a danger to the community of law-abiding.

    To enforce laws, to support laws, to demand that laws be enforced - al this is responsible civic, virtuous, behavoir.

    One can, of course, petition, work for a change to a law. However, until and if and only if such a change is enacted and signed into law, one must obey the existing law, or suffer the consequences for breaking it.

    If gang members are not in the USA legally, then they are illegal immigrants, period. It doesn't matter what their country of origin is.

    If the predominant composition of gangs is Hispanic illegal immegrants, then the reality is that they are illegal immigrants with ethnicity defined by the imprecise, but commonly used term - Hispanics.

    That is reality, period. Try reality - you may not like it, but so what?

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 11:05 a.m.

    Need learn speak english | 7:38 a.m English is a proper noun. Proper nouns are capitalized in English. You wrote using run on sentences. Many of us could learn more about English.

    I also believe many American should study languages like Spanish. This would give you an application of how difficult learning a new language can be for people.

    If you don't speak English saying "turn right here." is a conundrum.

  • Parents
    March 3, 2009 10:59 a.m.

    The mother knew nothing about it? And then said that he wasn't doing that any more.
    Come on, I've seen so many latinos (or whatever) claim ignorance about nearly everything (especially the law) just because they don't speak english. This is nothing more than a sheild to hide behind. She knew; and his little smirk was a "you can't do anything about it" attitude.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 10:59 a.m.

    california,

    what university of utah player are you talking about. I watched the whole game and didn't notice anything.

  • Belonging
    March 3, 2009 10:43 a.m.

    Everybody - and particularly young folks - long to belong. Whether it be a family, an athletic team, cub scouts or boy scouts, chess club, etc. A strong family is a natural place for kids, but it's not there for all kids. If they don't "fit in," or are rejected from other social organizations, they will form alliances with other rejects, and the results are obvious and painful.

    It's easy to turn our backs on them, and if it weren't for "collateral damage" - the harm they bring on society - that wouldn't be such a bad option. But we should all give props to ANYBODY who's striving to provide a wholesome alternative for these at-risk kids, before it's too late.

    (And gangstas DO come in all shapes, sizes and colors. Anybody who thinks otherwise needs to pay more attention.)

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 10:42 a.m.

    Of all the different factors that contribute to gang activity, poverty is the greatest particularly in the case of Hispanics. When immigrants leave their native county, it is nearly always for economic reasons not sociological ones (the same can be said for why illegal immigration is permitted). In fact many immigrants are well respected in the communities they come from, and often times hold jobs or positions of importance. Their education is better suited for life in the native county and of course speaking the primary language is huge advantage for them. In economic terms, there is a cost/benefit that occurs when immigrants come to this county. The benefit greater financial security, but with a huge glass ceiling. The cost both parents usually have to work minimum wage jobs, learning English is almost impossible for adults and elderly, children go unsupervised, and parents are unequipped to help with school matters (see high drop-out rates for Hispanics). So who do immigrant kids hang out with? Usually those that they feel most comfortable with - other Hispanics that have little or no structure. Thus the cost of immigrating, particularly for undocumented immigrants, to the US almost always outweighs the potential benefits.

  • Dumb and Dumber
    March 3, 2009 10:26 a.m.

    These guys are dumber than a box of rocks. And why do they all speak spanish? Kind of weird, you would think most of them are from mexico or something.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 10:24 a.m.

    "Wasted lives will continue to accumulate because we don't enforce immigration laws and we have become so "multicultural" that assimilation is no longer expected"

    I totally agree to the above comment.

    But I can tell some readers and posters have never lived in L.A. Calif. If you had, you would be viewing this with your eyes wide open. If you lived long enough.
    Salt Lake is just now experiencing the beginning of becoming the new Los Angeles.

  • Hispanics
    March 3, 2009 9:59 a.m.

    C.LNelson and Haters: I am ashamed to see traces of my church in your postings. Put on the armor of God? You are a DISGRACE to the church, your intolerance is no different that what our pioneers endured when persecuted. Let me be clear, I am equating your hatred and intolerance and NOT the group that it's directed toward. To put all Hispanics, label them and HATE them as you do is the complete opposite of what our church teaches. Forgiveness, love, virtues of the beautiful message we should LIVE, not just on SUNDAYS.
    I DO NOT condone these gang activities. Please don't just hate a people, call them all Illegals and issue an outright extermination or deportation order, remember Boggs?
    I am a Hispanic; that came to this country. I am an American now, I love this country, I speak its language, yet I feel hated by people like you, people I might see on Sunday. WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME. May I remind you: Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Now then talk about the armor of God.

  • Wow!!
    March 3, 2009 9:48 a.m.

    The mother of this punk had no clue he was in a gang. Most likely because she has been cow towed by the gang itself. Or she just doesn't have a clue, which is the case with most parents of kids in a gang. I saw no reference to a father in this article.

    Round them all up, take them to the bottom of the Bingham Canyon mine and let them have a big rumble there. That way they can kill each other and no one else gets hurt. The employees just vacate the mine and the cops guard all the entrances.

  • re: ignorant
    March 3, 2009 9:44 a.m.

    I am sure gangs are not a direct result of illegal immigration. But, I do think the problem is much worse in large part due to the influence of illegal immigration. The fact the kids in the stories are illegal is not because the reporter sought out illegals, it is because there are so many gang members are illegal.

  • Who's ignorant?
    March 3, 2009 9:43 a.m.

    Pretend that you have some desire to know the truth. Use Google.

    Illegal immigrants are the source of SLC's rise in gangs and gag-crime in the last 10 years.

    What is wrong with the deniers?

    These gangs are a terror to society and the communities the exist in. They prey on everyone, native-born, immigrant - legal and illegal.

    Get real!

  • Really?
    March 3, 2009 9:30 a.m.

    Violence is not the answer. It starts with a community helping each other, regardless of race. Its not just Latinos. Gangs of white race are much more dangerous and covert then other racial gangs. Its not just illegal immigrants either. Become a mentor. Volunteer at a school. Start coaching a youth sports team. Do something pro-social.

  • RE: Ignorant
    March 3, 2009 9:30 a.m.

    I saw Westside story. It's been going on longer than you realize, or care to admit. Micheal Jackson even glorified it in "Beat it". Although technically you are correct, Latino's make up the largest ethnic group, and for good reason, many of these gangs have ties to those in Mexico that are currently waging war with their government.

    It's a way of life in that country, and when they come here legally or illegally they bring the culture with them.

  • To "Gang Members"
    March 3, 2009 9:28 a.m.

    So...What stupid gang do you claim? Only someone as insolent and stupid as a gang banger would make such a comment.

    Lets not use faux distractors such as this to take the heat off of where it belongs.

  • Send em
    March 3, 2009 9:28 a.m.

    packing, look what is happening in phoenix, and here in utah there exists cells ..but what really bothers me is that we enable them...by hiring illegals..over americans.who are in rehab..from felonies..long..ago while the illegals are committing felonies by being here and get the jobs!!
    ENOUGH!!!

  • Dave
    March 3, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    My youngest brother has become active in gangs, and it's really put a face on the issue for me. I don't think seeing him as a terrorist would solve anything. I realize he is the product of his choices, but I just wish he had more direction when he was growing up. I don't think discipline alone can accomplish much, without guidance and direction during the teen years. He has never known what options are out there, other than minimum wage jobs and partying with friends, and now I worry that he's so entrenched in bad habits that only the prison system or the army could give him the direction he needs.

    The programs described in this article are doing great things. Give a 13-year old a little direction and it will cause everyone a lot less grief in the future, whether they be illegal or not. Sure, let's work on ironing out our immigration policies in the long run, but there are some easier things we can be doing right now--and I don't think that involves beating the crap out of them; it never did much for my brother.

  • To Need Learn Speak English
    March 3, 2009 9:18 a.m.

    Well, guess what? Spanish speaking people lived in the west before anglos came. New Mexico and California were both populated with Spanish first, and through land grabs their land was taken away from them.

    There are many free programs here in the valley for Spanish speakers to learn English, and they are attending these classes.

    By the way, from your post, we can all tell your English isn't so great.

  • Frank
    March 3, 2009 9:12 a.m.

    It would seem to solve things to let them all fight it out to the death. Only problem is they are usually horrible shots. Just like in the incidents the article mentioned only one out of the five situations did the gang member hit his target.

    Its the only reason they are still around.

  • issues
    March 3, 2009 9:11 a.m.

    The gang issues in Salt Lake are sad. What is troubling is the attitude those outside of the city have, thinking that it is an inner-city problem. It stretches far beyond. Drive around the vicinity of Skyline High School, a neighborhood in a "nice" area of town and you'll find tagging. Not just the obvious traffic signs and concrete taggings by Parley's Canyon, but also through the neighborhoods right by the school. Glendale parents send their students to schools such as Skyline and Cottonwood in hopes that they escape the lifestyle, and who could blame them? But a lot of these students bring that mentality to the new school. When South High closed, I was a junior at Highland. We received some students from Glendale. I remember my friends and I being enamored by the gang lifestyle. I suspect it may still be the same way.

  • Ignorant
    March 3, 2009 9:04 a.m.

    The comments that Gangs are the result of illegal immigration are ignorant at best. Gangs come in all colors and ethnicities (White, African American, Asian, Latino, Native American, etc.). It just happens that the group interviewed in this segment were Latino.
    Gangs originate for many reasons, but to really simplify things, poverty and family dysfunction are the primary factors. These two factors feed off each other - poverty exacerbates greater family dysfunction and the family dysfunction perpetuates poverty.
    I applaud the efforts of police and the SALT program for preventing gang involvement. Programs that work to strengthen families are critical. Isn't it amazing that only half of the parents suspect their kids are in gangs? Parenting education and family support needs to be seriously enhanced. Efforts to promote greater levels of education and income among the parents and youth are critical to break these cycles.
    Building more fences at the border and more prisions are not the best answer for the long term. Practically all men in prison are fathers (2 million in the US). We need to think more proactively and prevent gang involvement or the cycle will simply go on and on for many generations.

  • Juan
    March 3, 2009 8:51 a.m.

    It's good to see that the Latino community is getting into the BYU Utah rivalry. All that being in a gang means is that you show to society that you are worthless. You can't stand up for yourself.

  • Line Them Up
    March 3, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    These punks don't work out physically, why does anyone think they are so tough. Bring them on, they just need to get the crap beat out of them a few times and this will stop. I personally would like to take a few on, to prove this. Just let them know that they are not wanted and run them right out of the country. Those that are legal citizens go to a TENT city. End of story.

  • C.L. Nelson
    March 3, 2009 8:40 a.m.

    Our Americans have put up with too many radical gang related destruction. Our youth are being introduced to experiment with these brain dead non-virtues. Parents that spend time with their kids making every hour a blessing to both parties reap the rewards. It starts when children are babies. It's NOT just the Hispanics that are to blame. If we Americans don't stand up to our rights and freedoms taking the time to defend our liberties, country, families, we may lose the comforts of HOME! It's truly worth taking a stand and putting on the whole armor of God!

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 8:37 a.m.

    I think if it is really that bad.. let's just put a fence around every area that the gangs hang out. That way we don't need jail facilities..just clean up crews when the fight is done.

  • C.L.Nelson
    March 3, 2009 8:31 a.m.

    Several years ago I volunteered at the Food and Coalition Center in Utah. Most Hispanics threw food on the floor, peed on the floor of the restrooms, took huge garbage bags of clothing full to the brim. After I helped clean the kitchen on my way home I rounded a corner and saw where these illegals put up a cultural hall table and displayed ALL THE CLOTHING THEY HAD COLLECTED TO SELL indirectly as a 'yard" sale! What's next? They proclaim their "rights" to live here, work here, but intolerantly and defiantly will not learn our language, nor pledge allegiance to our American flag? I do love cultural differences, however this is intolerable for our country. We as Americans are too considerate, generous and have been tolerant of these gangs that wish to destroy our freedom. They have NO freedom in their own countries! Most don't have laws that govern them. Been there to see for myself.

  • Rid Ourselves Of This
    March 3, 2009 8:28 a.m.

    Step up citizens, if you see any of this activity and don't want to get pesonnally involved, at least make a call to law enforcement. I know many, many people that would like to line these punks up without weapons and have a good old fight fest. Then we would see just how tough these supposedly big littles really are.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 8:24 a.m.

    We should not spend taxpayer money on gangs, let them kill each other off. If they step out of their gangs and kill innocent people, shoot them on the spot. This is ridiculous to spend a fortune in police protection, court costs, and jail facilities on gangs that just want to kill each other. Let them do it.

  • stillinut84651
    March 3, 2009 8:23 a.m.

    So we should send all the non-natives home? Unless you are a Native American (Indian), you do not get to stay. So all you children of immigrants (both legal and otherwise) need to leave now.

    Serious now, learning English is a first step to feel less marginalized (and Utahize does not count) If it were true that learning English will solve everything then by that point of view, those white, tattooed, low rider jean wearing individuals who can scare the bejeses out of anyone who encounters them on a dark street, are a Boy Scout troop cleaning up (any victims wallets).

  • Whiggy
    March 3, 2009 8:21 a.m.

    The legislature should be praised for its efforts to enact anti-gang legislation. As a society, we must do everything possible to eradicate the gang problem before it gets any bigger. Parents must accept responsibility as well. It is inconceivable that the mother in this story had no idea her son was in a gang--despite the fact that his body was covered in easily recognizable gang tattoos.

  • secret
    March 3, 2009 8:08 a.m.

    To Gang Members


    You are just a bunch of little kids that can't stick up form them selves.

    If someone wanted pissed you off, you wouldn't do anything if you were by your self, you would get the whole gang on this on person. you are pretty tough arn't ya :(

  • the light
    March 3, 2009 8:01 a.m.

    Tell me again how illegal immigration is not a problem? Whoever called the cops gang members, how do you come up with that stuff?

  • you parents
    March 3, 2009 7:55 a.m.

    you have to blame parents kids need to be in some sort of activity .you do as a family and you will be a family. keep in sports or anything .if you know whats going on yhey can"t lie.

  • It doesn't come...
    March 3, 2009 7:49 a.m.

    right out and say it in the article, but it insinuates that many (if not most) of the gang members mentioned are hispanic. Maybe, just maybe, if the laws of this country were enforced, to send people back to their home country that are in this country illegally, much of this gang activity would go away.

    It seems to be popular culture south of the border to belong to a gang. When those people come to this country, they bring that culture, and the crime, with them.

    Just another reason to build a fence along our southern border.

  • Dan M.
    March 3, 2009 7:46 a.m.

    I didn't realize gang members could join the Marines. That explains a lot, though.

    SCARY!!!

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 7:41 a.m.

    To Gang Members:

    What a brilliant comment.

    How long did it take for you to think this garbage up?

  • Wow, terrorists
    March 3, 2009 7:41 a.m.

    I never thought about it like that. But you are absolutely correct. They are terrorists. They don't care who gets in their way to promote their agenda. Very well said.

  • perhaps they are reaching out
    March 3, 2009 7:39 a.m.

    Perhaps they are reaching out for more from their parents. But until the community has the guts to stand up to these punks and say enough is enough, the problem will continue. It is interesting this story focuses on the problem with immigrants. Are they true immigrants or criminal immigrants (others say illegal immigrants, but if illegal that does make them criminal.). If they are criminal immigrants we need as a nation to begin cracking down harder. If true immigrants we need to help the assimilate into our society better.

  • Need learn speak english
    March 3, 2009 7:38 a.m.

    THE ILLEGALS COME TO OUR COUNTRY AND THEY FEEL SAFE AND DONT WANT TO LEARN OUR ENGLISH LANG. WE GIVE THEM ALL THE HELP THEY NEED AND STILL DONT WANT TO BE AMERICANS AND LEARN TO SPEAK ENGISH, PROBLEMS ARRIVES WITH GANGS AND MANY OTHER THINGS .. WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT AND BE MORE FAIR AND REASONABLE FOR THEM TO TAKE ENGISH LANG. BY LAW...ANY ILLEGALS THAT COME TO OUR COUNTRY AND WANT TO STAY , THEY MUST LEARN ENGISH AND BECOME US CITIZENS,IF THEY WANT TO STAY HERE...IF WE GO TO THEIR COUNTRY , THEY ARENT GONNA HELP US... WE ARE FORCE TO LEARN THEIR LANG.WE MUST DO THE SAME FOR OUR COUNTRY AND PROTECT OUR FUTURE CHILDRENS AND GRANDCHILDRENS FUTURE..THE ILLEGALS ARE TAKING OVER OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE WE GIVE THEM TOO MUCH ...CHANGE THE SYSTEMS AND BE MORE STRICT WITH ILLEGLS..WHO KNOWS ONE OF THEM MAY BE TERRORIST!!!!!! SAVE US SAVE OUR COUNTRY..WE WERE HERE FIRST!!!!!!

  • Terrorists
    March 3, 2009 6:55 a.m.

    Until the law abiding people of the United States and it's "governing leaders" call these punks what they really are, TERRORISTS, you will never be safe.

    It's time to do away with these domestic terrorists.

  • Gang Members
    March 3, 2009 6:07 a.m.

    In my mind
    It is a question just who is gang members?
    Kids or the cops
    Just being honest
    Cops working the streets day and night
    They are not representing the public

  • Wake up
    March 3, 2009 5:19 a.m.

    Its obvious our kids are wanting something from us, which is attention their not getting it from home so they will look somewhere else for it. It will all go back to where we came from HOME. When the kids can be distroyed the family is corrupted. Come on parents lets do our duty, so these officers don't have to do it for us.

  • Back to America
    March 3, 2009 4:36 a.m.

    Wasted lives will continue to accumulate because we don't enforce immigration laws and we have become so "multicultural" that assimilation is no longer expected.
    Our greatest institutions are now run by globalist elites who no longer have any great affinity for the United States but rather consider themselves citizens of the world.
    These elites run our companies, universities, schools, media outlets, churches, and (sadly) government.
    Their view of our country is far different from the one most citizens hold.

  • California
    March 3, 2009 1:14 a.m.

    And it dosen't help when a player on the University of Utah football team flashes a gang sign during the Alabama BCS game. Very disrepectful to the University, the taxpayers, his family, and himself. Childish actions by a supposed adult.