As for the church (I'm not familiar with LDS), the Bible teaches us to hate the
sin, but love the sinner. It also teaches us to observe the laws of the land
(render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's). It even said that slaves did
not get to revolt against their masters just because the are Christians
(Philemon and Onesimus). True freedom is found in Christ, but it is freedom from
sin, not a promise of a better physical life, although sometimes that results
when you live an upright life. I can have compassion on someone who stole to
feed his family, but he still sinned and committed a crime. He can be forgiven
of the sin, but still has to serve his prison time. I can forgive him and
volunteer to help feed his family, but I won't try to destroy our justice system
to keep him out of jail because I think he's been forgiven. The Bible says
follow the law unless it asks me to sin, else I sin when I break the law.
Illegal immigrants are in sin and remain so until they go home.
Why do we have a law on the books if we arent going to enforec it?
My mother struggles everyday and since imigration has my father there's not much
to say.It was a few weeks after my Dad's birthday that they knocked at 4am in
the moring at our door. My father was leaving for work when I saw him come back
with fear in his eyes trying not to cry. I was awake at the time working on my
project for school when this happen.Later that day I went to school, pretending
like nothing happen but at the end of the day I burst into tears . One thing im
sure of is that I will never forget how they treated my parents, it was so cold
like if they were some kind of animals that never should of been born. Is hard
to describe the cruelty of it all, for it all happen so fast. I will hope for
the better. Jay
this land was founded on the idea of building better lives. Our ancestors were
not legal citizens of this country when they came but the came anyway with the
idea of making a better life for themselves and their family. so now that our
ancestor killed and imprisoned the native people from this land they are self
proclaimed citizens that can say who can and can't try and make a better life
for themselves. I think that the government needs to make it so that it is
easier to come into this country. The people that come here only want better
lives and many do the jobs that americans find themselves "to good to do" Look
in the fast food restaurants and you will find that it is mainly latinos
flipping those burgers or doing the janitorial jobs. Get real & be honest you
don't see very many white people cleaning toilets for a living. Honest people
know this to be true it is the blind that try to say that it is a lie. truth is
truth. This bill will separate families only wanting better lives. someone
should separate you from your kids, how you like it then
My mom was crying the other day and i asked her whats wrong. She said " We might
need to move to another state." i asked why? " Because they are going to kick us
out of utah." I decided to not think about it. I have a future here, im going
to college this summer and i am graduating with my friends of second grade. It
really started to kick in when i was in the middle of the LDS Conference in SLC.
My mind kept running and could not stop thinking about my unknown future. I do
not know what is going to happen and i dont have time to think about it. I go
to school in the morning and work seven hours in a restaurant at night. But at
that moment i couldnt stop my tears. There is a feeling inside of me that makes
me feel that there is no hope. At the same time, I feel disgust against my own
religion for such hypocracy going on. How could mostly LDS officials have a
spiritually free conscience when they dont care about the consequences they are
going to inflict on their foreign brothers.
To HA,HA,HA (who posted at 10:26 a.m. on March 3, 2009) and anyone else who
believes and spouts the same lie that illegals only do jobs that Americans
refuse to do, please note the following excerpt from the article entitled
"Americans Que for Jobs at Raided Plant" dated 9/8/2008:"Two weeks
ago Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raided the Howard Industries Plant
in Laurel, Mississippi and apprehended more than 600 suspected illegal workers.
Many of those workers have been deemed ineligible to work in the United States
and HUNDREDS OF LOCAL RESIDENTS are applying for those positions." (Emphasis
added)You might want to check your facts before spouting the false
claim that illegals only do jobs that Americans won't do. If that is the case,
then why are Mexican truck drivers being allowed to drive in our country? We
have Americans that want to drive trucks & many unemployed turning to truck
driving. I encourage people to visit NumbersUSA and ALIPAC websites.
This post is addressed to HA,HA,HA and all others who believe the lie that
illegal immigrants only do jobs that Americans will not do. If you search the
internet on ICE raids of Howard Industries Plant in Laurel, Mississippi (that
produces electrical transformers) in which more than 600 illegal workers were
apprehended, you find that 100s of American workers were lined up for those
newly available jobs. What about the 59 illegals who made parachutes for the
U.S. armed forces at the Mills Manufacturing Corp. in Woodfin, North Carolina?
These states are NOTHING without Immigrants. Every state would crumble into
pieces without the help from immigrants, Especially little ole Utah. I hope they
do pass the law in utah so that they can see what a big mistake they made. utah
is bad as it is. Immigrants contribute millions of dollars. Why do you think
they keep postponing the damn bills??? These people in office are not stupid.
Hate it or love it, Immigrants are here to stay!
hi Bill, i think you should think twice and remenber where you come from, or
actually where your ancestors come from they were immigrants. Then the ILLEGAL
people(thats how you like to call them) are not in this country because the nice
weather or the beaches THEY ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A BETTER LIFE.
please do you think they are happy to leave their families and friends in order
to come here. they are just trying to work hard and save enough money an then go
back their countries.
It is ridiculous many comments. and When someone talked about the make of
america nobody answer.. Only a person who dont know nothing about history ... it
is the past of course but it doesnt meant that did not happen. We took over this
country and killed all the indians , that is the power of our citizeship we
became American because of that. Why we can accept this fact. This is a racist
state I was wondering if this is related to religion... I know that the true
Christian doesnt act like you. Of course that you can give me the Article of
faith but what about the whole bibly and the book of Mormon. Dont talk about
religion maybe will be your answer but how you can separate the spiritual
things, all are related. It doesnt matter but you know what we will lose more
that jobs for our racist feelings...
Excuse you! Illegals have jobs that americans do not want to do! I wabba see an
american get down on her/his knees and clean a toilet! I do agree that they
should throw out the illegals that have done high criminal stuff, though. I
really hope this law does not happen.
We wouldn't "need" 12 million illegals if we hadn't aborted 49 million Americans
Taken from The Los Angeles Times Less than 2% of illegal aliens are
picking our crops, but 37% are on welfare. Over 73% of the United States
' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York)
results from illegal immigration. 34% of inmates in federal prisons are
illegal aliens. Over 350,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in
garages. Nearly 70% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal. Over 2/3 of
all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal ,
whose births were paid for by taxpayers. 96% of warrants for murder in Los
Angeles are for illegal aliens. These facts were taken right out of the Los
Angeles Times - Now who want's to tell me that Illegal Aliens are not impacting
I wish these so called communtiy leaders would get their act together and admit
the truth, these illegal are not citizens of america or the community. Just
because they belong to their faith does not make them americans or deserve and
social considerations. Our sympathy is with the american people, not illegal
aliens and I wish this gut would keep his mouth shut and stop infering the
americn people give a damn about the illegals. We want them out of the country,
not in hiding behind religious organizations who think they have a voice in
government business. We americans have no sympathy for illegal aliens who are
all criminals and actively robbing the american people of needed services. He
should be helping them to return home and take their illegal offspring with them
and not allow them to abandon their children as unfit parents. Illegals are
unfit to be americans and unfit to even be given any sympathy as illegal aliens
and illegal foreign nationals. PS-Illegals are not immigrants, they are
criminals who forced their way across our sacred borders.
Where is the support from the LDS church to all this illegals members?, or they
just are good to reclute new members for the tithe? Because mostly of those
legislators are mormons, Inclusive the one was raised on Casas Grandes,
Chihuahua Mexico. Ha Mr H... So, where the compassion that they go proclaiming?
I'm sorry, I forgot that the church doesn't intervene on politic. MMMMM,
but still can patronize some bills to discrimite to "different people (gays?)"
even in another state.This is my testimony and I'm leavinnig it
The key word is ILLEGAL! Sure we all started out as immigrants but eventually
became US citizens became LEGAL! Most of the people do not want to become
citizens of the US! Why should they when they get everything given to them free
medical which we all pay for when we go to the doctor, food stamps etc! We need
to do something now it is way over due, we wouldn't be in this state if
something would have been done when they knew they started coming into the
country years ago! Take a good look at California, gangs, foreclosure, can you
tell me that they are not part of the problem. Come get a loan leave the house
and go back to Mexico or move on to another state then rip them off too!
Immigration reform needs to happen today not yesterday!
Just a quote: "America would not be in the mess it is in today if the
Indians had had stricter immigration laws"-Chief Oshkosh.
Why does the LDS Church leaders remain silence on this topic? Are they really
"Christians"? Because if they were, they would be against laws that damage the
dignity of human beings. If they are really called Christians, they have the
obligation to speak loudly in favor of these people. Read and reflect on Mt 25,
This is for Bravo, makes me laugh when you say now you can find a job, that is
because you are so stupid and useless that nobody would hire you UNLESS noboby
around take that job, Ha stupid xenofobic.
Now maybe me and my son can get some work...send them all back!! We don't need
them working at McDonalds or Carls Jrs. acting arrogant and as if they have
forefathers who died for this country. Right is Right , no gray, do it the right
way otherwise you mock the system which i see everyday..from the shelter, drugs,
overcrowding...welfare system, it seems to be a custom to rush to the front of
the line..wheter at the shelter, western union or social services always pushing
the real , legal, actually born here American out of the way!! Enough is
Enough...if went to Mexico and tried that , they'd put me in some slammer and
make me pay for my own food. These never had it so good at other's expense!! NO
MORE...GO HOME AND HELP YOUR COUNTRY...don't tread on me!!
Go to NumbersUSA.com and sign-up it's free and it informs you of how to fax and
call senators to stop Illegal Immigration. I been using them for years and they
are great go today and help the fight.
has a racial Beef.. i'm sure he lives in west valley city
You know the Mormon Battalion...here's the rest of the story.We fought
Mexico in 1846-48. They lost, in part because Santa Ana was a corrupt Mexican
politician.We signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and paid Mexico $15
million for the land.Now, if Mexico wants to mount an army and take it
back, that's how war is fought.The Aztlan bunch are smokin' some primo
weed if they believe the Southwest still belongs to Mexico.
State lawmakers sit around and wonder why they can't BALANCE their Budget, and
here's all the illegals getting free govt. assistance. The FIRST thing that
SHOULD have been done at the start of this session is GETTING RID of all the
illegals. It would a)reduce class sizes, b)give Utahns some confidence in their
elected officials, c)open up MORE jobs for UTAHNS who need them.There is
no such thing as a job that Utahns won't do.There is such a thing as Utah
employers taking advantage of illegals, and they should be fined very heavily
for doing so.BUT, our lawmakers need to "step up to the plate" and protect
Utah jobs for Utah workers.What is particularly frustrating about the
Demos attitude on this, is that support of the illegals is a slap in the face to
lower income families who NEED the jobs the illegals are taking, someone the
Demos pretend to represent!
*** Most of these immigrants would not be "illegals" if the States just did not
make it so difficult to be "legal". ***So are you suggesting that
*anyone* who wants to come here should be able to come, with no limit on
numbers? 2 million, 10 million, 100 million, no problem? Are you really prepared
to live with the consequences of your so-called principles?*** The
economic repercussions alone will show us what a depression truly is as a mass
exodus of illegal immigrants, who represent a necessary cog in our erroneously
founded economy, exit our state. ***People here illegally add almost
nothing to our net economic output. The jobs they currently fill can be filled
by Americans, especially teenagers and low-skilled workers, who will have less
dependence on borrowing (for college students) and welfare.America
already has one of the highest percentages of unskilled workers of any developed
country. We don't need more. We need less.
*** "The State of Utah actually sits in what used to be Mexico. So let me ask
you, who is really the immigrant here?" ***How many Mexicans were
actually living here when the United States "stole" it? The 1850 census shows
about 11,000 people, nearly all of them English-speaking Mormons from the US.Same goes for all the other territory we allegedly stole. The total
census population for the 4 states (California, Utah, Nevada, Arizona) formed
from the former Mexican territories totalled less than 170,000 people, less than
half of whom spoke Spanish or had any loyalties to Mexico.
We have laws, they are not being enforced right now for some reason. We have
quota's that limit immigration to 7% from one country per year. Illegals ignore
this law and feel they should write our immigration laws for us, allowing 57%
from one country per year. As long as people ignore our laws,
including Chamber of Commerce, employers, religious leaders and governors, we
are going to have this problem. We need to take our immigration laws back, by
enforcing them.The US has 12-20 million illegals here now, they are
taking the place/jobs of legal immigrants who can't come because we are over
capacity. Google Mexico's immigration laws. They protect their
easy fix .. provide a viable way to get legit paperwork SOLVED
Of course the ideal situation would be for every person in this country to live
and work here legally. Lamentably, those who possess power, authority and money
in this country, and others, have allowed our current situation to occur
because it benefits them. Of course those who are here illegaly and their
families as well as the typical United States Citizen are hurt by this
arrangement. The ways in which all of these parties are injured is innumerable
and spans the the gamut of social,economic and every other ill that can fall
upon a society.We should proceed with all haste for an equitable
system for all of the involved parties. The present plan outlined in HB81 is a
grave mistake. The economic repercussions alone will show us what a depression
truly is as a mass exodus of illegal immigrants, who represent a necessary cog
in our erroneously founded economy, exit our state.
Most of these immigrants would not be "illegals" if the States just did not make
it so difficult to be "legal". The United States has always been about taking
in those who want a better life, so why is it such a problem that these
individuals are coming? And all of this talk about I.D. theft and crime speaks
of ignorance on the part of white U.S. citizens. While some of these immigrants
do participate in crime, they make up a very small percentage. Most of the
immigrants are good, hardworking people just trying to make life better for
their children. Why not try to stop all of the crime that legal U.S. citizens
are participating in instead? There is a whole lot more of that going on.
I am an American citizen and immigration activist. If you think about it, that
is how our ancestors came to America, they had no Visa and no citizenship. Why
did they come? because they could have a better life here. What did they do?
they killed off indians, stole their land, and kicked them into indian
reservations. Now an "illegal alien" takes the job as a custodian at your office
and you complain about it? come on, get a life!Where your butt is sitting
right now used to be those "illegal criminal's" land. Nobody is taking the job
you wanted as a custodian, trust me. "PATRIOT 5:33" Swallow your pride
and be a man. Do you think you make your statement stronger by calling their
kids bastards? They are citizens already. Just like your ancestors became
citizens for being born here. Immigrants actually make the economy better, since
they don't take anything from the government like you lazy butts. They work more
for less, and still pay taxes.Give them a break!
I would hope that everyone that is a LEGAL CITIZEN of the USA would Oppose
Guestworker Legislation! Please contact your Congressmen and ask them to oppose
SCR 1! Why is the legislature considering a guestworker program, which would
bring in more foreign workers, during a period of high unemployment? There is no
justification for this. They should be helping to ensure that jobs held by
illegal aliens are reserved for unemployed citizens and legal residents. Utah does not need to satisfy business appetite for cheap labor with a
guestworker program that keeps Utahns unemployed or drives down their wages. There is no reason to believe that guestworker procedure for ensuring
that citizens or legal residents have job precedence over foreign workers will
work any better than the sham procedures used under current federal guestworker
programs. Do not make it harder for unemployed Americans to find jobs! Please get involved and save JOBS for the LEGAL CITIZENS!!!If you
fall for this rhetoric, you'll fall for anything the politicans throw out to us!
As Americans, we must stand up for our rights and fight.
I am an american citizen who fights for immigrant issues. If you think about it,
that is how our ancestors came to America, they had no Visa and no citizenship.
Why did they come? because they could have a better life here. What did they do?
they killed off indians, stole their land, and kicked them into indian
reservations. Now an "illegal alien" takes the job as a custodian at your office
and you complain about it? come on, get a life!Where your butt is sitting
right now used to be those "illegal criminal's" land. Nobody is taking the job
you wanted as a custodian, trust me. "PATRIOT 5:33" The only bastard
around here is you. Swallow your pride and be a man. Do you think you make your
statement stronger by calling their kids bastards? They are citizens already,
moron. Just like your ancestors became citizens for being born here. Immigrants
actually make the economy better, since they don't take anything from the
government like you lazy butts. They work more for less, and still pay taxes.Give them a break!
Vote this guy out of office at all costs. Start now and get rid of him and keep
track of all whom aide illegals. Remove those who violate their oath of office
and the constitution of the United States. Sen. Pat Jones, D-Holladay, needs to
go, and soon!
10 million Americans looking for a Job7 million employed Illegals in
America.1 trillion spent by Obama to supposedly create 3 million
jobs. Illegals included!!!500,000 Americans losing their job every
month.1.5 million immigrants admitted to the U.S. every year. More
than every other country on earth combined. Do the math and see what our
population will by by 2050. (1/2 billion)Illegals Kill 20,000
Americans in one year...more than the Iraq war did in 6years.Birthright citizenship, paid maternity, food stamps, Housing medical care for
18 years. No other developed country on earth gives Birthright citizenship to
Illegal invaders.Billions spent by both the Federal government and
State government on Education, Healthcare, Welfare for illegals and their
bastard citizen children.Wages driven down in every industry that
illegals are allowed to invade and gain critical mass. Utah wants
to spend 1.5 million to insure only legal residents get jobs. Sounds like a good plan to me!!! Sounds very cost effective!
All this hate directed at the workers and employers are given a free pass? Sounds like a coward that will only pick on the weak and avoid the
strong. There is something wrong with this...
I want every traitorous politician that thinks they can represent the racist LA
RAZA crowd, or the corrupt big business lobby over their own constituents, to
know that we the people are finally on to what's going on in our country and our
state. WE ARE WATCHING how you vote, and we will VOTE YOU OUT OF
OFFICE if you do not do your jobs and stop the hostile invasion of illegals and
gangbangers from mexico that is squatting here and ruining our state.The primary responsibility of the government is to protect the homeland from
hostile invasion. It's about time you started doing your jobs and start
enforcing the laws that are on the books. Send the illegals packing.ENACT SB81 NOW!!!!
Utah is a pitiful state.
Its interesting to note how many people here are furious because they feel that
illegals are taking their jobs. I wonder why. It sure cant be because these
"ignorant aliens" are much more qualified and hardworking. It must not be
because they are much less demanding on employers. And for sure it isn't because
they can do twice the work for half the pay. How can it be for those reasons? We
citizens are far superior than they. Besides all they can do is be criminals and
steal identities. But, I wonder how they get a hold of those identities. they
sure cant get it from U.S. citizens that work in Licensing centers and other
locations where they receive valuable information on others. Those citizens
wouldn't sell those identities at whopping rates to illegals. Naw...citizens are
too honest. it can't be. I dont think this is an immigration issue. I
feel its an understanding issue. I feel its an envy issue. I feel The problem is
not them, its us.
We need to watch our elected officials and vote any that don't support SB81 out
of office...They need to see that we the people mean business we have spoken on
this issue, and we will vote those that go against our wishes out of office! LET
SB81 take Effect This Year!
12 million illegals, that's a heck of a lot of jobs that could fill the 7%
unemployment rate, and rising. We are paying 800 billion dollars to create 1.5
million jobs. Spend a tenth of that and secure the boards and crack down on
illegals and we might solve our unemployment and recession problems. People say that they take jobs that no one else wants. As any unemployed
construction worker right now and he would tell he he'd love the jobs they are
I think we need to give the citizens a chance at the jobs that illegal aliens
take. I think there are a lot of people out there that are willing to do work
they weren't willing to do a year ago. I've contracted what I would assume were
illegal, in the past, and now I have a ton of people that are citizens applying
for the same jobs. Sad but true, the citizens aren't that exciting to me after
having people that were willing to work hard for their pay and didn't act like I
owe them everything. But there is a great cost to society, far more then a
couple million dollars for having them here. If half of them went home we might
be surprised that hundreds of millions are saved due to health care, education,
police, insurance costs etc.
Based on many of the comments here, undocumented workers are the source of all
ID theft, organized crime, and even our bankrupt government. Brilliant! Label a
group that is different from yourself as "illegal aliens" and then blame all our
woes on them!This is a wonderful tactic, and one I am all for. It's
certainly much easier to blame the "others" than to address pesky details like
data security issues, since only those illegals steal identities. Furthermore,
with this tactic, we now don't have to worry about fraud like Bernard Madoff's
(that last name sounds foreign to me!), corporate greed in predatory lending,
government waste, and corruption.I agree, round up all the
non-Caucasians and send them all home. . . the only problem with that idea is. .
. who will we be able to blame once they're all gone?
Fascinating how we dehumanized other human beings to make it easy for us to hurt
them. Illegal Aliens, are fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters. They are
people with a story just like you and I. The U. S. economy needs them.
Otherwise, we would have closed the borders a long time ago. The government put
up this show and politicians exploit these nationalistic and ethnocentrist
feelings in time of economic duress, so, all "patriots" can feel good about
themselves by demanding to expel those souls who came to this country looking
for a better future; just as your ancestors!Too bad that these patriots
are so ignorant, that they don't recall that in the 1980's the US began
intevening and destroying the structure of the societies in Central America
promoting the biggest wave of Latin American immigration to the U.S.Please, continue screaming for deportation. Next, you will be screaming for
@Xavier OnassisDon't twist the issue. The article is on immigration
legislation, not religion. . . duh.
Kurt, that poem you quote is right across the water from Ellis Island, you know,
where they processed LEGAL immigrants. I think you'll find most commenters here
have no problem with legal immigrants.
Doesn't one of the Mormon Articles of Faith say that they believe in honoring
and obeying the law? When did that change?
"The head of an LDS outreach group." The other people addressing the reps had
names, but not the LDS outreach group leader. Not very professional of the
Deseret News.And did this person speak for the church? I have kept quiet
among my fellow-saints when it comes to this issue. It doesn't seem fair.
Our economy is in tatters. The budget is still in a deficit position.
Unemployment is rising. . . This is the time you pick to try and get a handle on
illegal immigration?What is wrong with our legislators? I am a
conservative republican, but how blind to the real problems can they be up on
Capitol Hill?Now is not the time to be wasting money that could be
balancing the budget on some fruitless search for undocumented workers. Now is
not the time to do more harm to an already shaky and crumbling economy. No, now
is not the time for ideology, but for action, action that will help the
economy.And for those of you who still think that Mexicans are
immigrating in mass quantity, how many new houses are being constructed in your
area? Think about. We're all hurting right now. Let's fix the essential (the
economy) before trying to tackle the ancillary.
are we not all immigrants, I think we need to make it easier for people to
immigrate. This country is based on that concept do i believe they should take
advantage of our social programs heck no but if you can make them a productive
adult in our society then they should have every right to take advantage of this
great country."GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO
BREATHE FREE,THE WRETCHED REFUSE OF YOUR TEEMING SHORE, SEND THESE, THE
HOMELESS,TEMPEST-TOSS TO ME, I LIFT MY LAMP BESIDE THE GOLDEN DOOR!"
The "...they do jobs Americans don't want to do" is entirely bogus.And I'm still waiting for the pro-immigrant violators to explain why Illegal
isn't Illegal. Anyone?To 9:10 a.m. Why don't you do you own
landscaping?And yes, we CAN round up the millions of Illegals and
send them home.
I have interviewed with Mexican's newspaper, a lot of small towns in Mexico
nowaday can not find male labors, mainly just women and childrens left, why, because they all went to USA where they can have free "amegency
Why ILLEGAL means people from Mexico, there's immigrants from Asia, Europe,
etc... that they are "illegal" too. I agree totally with Ha,Ha,Ha, they
are doing the jobs americans don't want to do, and the "american jobs" are sent
outside. Also we prefer to live in food stamps than cleaning rooms, make
hamburgers, clean offices.
I don't understand the argument that there are jobs so undignified, that we must
import an underclass of people to do that work. If that's what you really
believe and you feel that uneducated Latinos from Mexico and other South
American countries are the only ones fit for that work, perhaps you should
examine your own personal racist views.In my opinion, receiving
honest pay for honest work is fine regardless of the job. Based on peoples
circumstances some jobs may be more appropriate. For example, it would be
difficult for the father of a large family to earn enough money at McDondalds to
support his family, but that is a perfect starter job for a teenager in high
school. During my own work history I've spent time doing work that
the pro-illegal alien lobby has identified as jobs Americans won't do. I've
picked fruit in the summer, cleaned up bathrooms and movie theaters, de-greased
the exhaust pipes above a burger grill, etc... Each job was done at an
appropriate stage of my life and helped prepare me for my current professional
If you took the time to attend or listen to the hearing you would see that Sen
Jones had gone to a great deal of effort to stack the committee hearing in favor
of illegal immigration, even having about 6 testify during her presentation.
Then after about 5 more citizens there was only time for two citizens to speak
in opposition.This was a tie vote but a win for those that oppose
illegal immigration enablers such as Isabel Rojas. During her testimony and that
of Sen. Jones they seem to have forgotten that the Jenkins Amendment had already
given the legislature a year to study this bill. They held hearings around the
state and so SB113 is just another delay tactic. (note to his credit Sen Jenkins
opposed 113) her tactic is just more delay!Rojas also described the
287g program as a cross deputizing of the police. That is false, it is voluntary
under SB81 and there are no funds to implement it. It only provides more of a
data base and training for departments that wish to use it to determine the
immigration status of those in their jails. She totally misrepresented (lied)
about this program.
Looks like we got a good list of organizations that need to be watched and
avoided. They obviously are more concerned about the illegals than they are
about US citizens. Hopefully people will keep that in mind before donating to
Clearly, Isabel Rojas is confused and needs some education on the meaning of
Immigrant, Refugee, and Illegal Immigrant. When she says . . . this bill
seems not representative of community needs. We know which community she is
referring to the community of parasite criminal invaders and the community of
business owners who violate multiple laws by employing them. We need strict
enforcement of existing laws, yesterday, before theres nothing left of America.
Stupid is as stupid let's be done to them!
Illegal immigration distorts the free market. Certain business owners profit at
the expense of rank-and-file taxpayers and other businesses who comply with
immigration law. This bill would have been interesting if it had attempted to
take into account all the external costs of illegal immigration such as medical
care, education, law enforcement and other public services. But we all know it
just would have amounted to rationalization. It would have served the purposes
of special interest groups who benefit from the status quo. We're a nation at a
critical juncture. And it seems reckless to allow millions of Mexico's most
desperate citizens nominate themselves as the immigrant future of this country.
Kudos to the legislators who opposed this, despite the very vocal minority.
Is it worth I.D. theft, gang violence, and a bankrupt government so that you can
get your lawn mowed?
You said" THEY HAVE THE AMERICAN JOBS". Sorry my friend "that is not truth" they
have jobs that the AMERICANS dont want to do, clean the bathroom, make the
hamburger, landscaping, warehouse FOR A LOT LESS MONEY!!!The
AMERICAN JOBS are sent to India, like mine, we paid from our taxes to the big
companies and they still sending OUR JOBS overseas!!! that is truth!!!Inmigration laws in this country are useless, there is more than 40 million
illegal people here, sending thousands here or thousands there home IS NOT GOING
TO WORK.We need to work together, like it or not!!!
Sally 12:17 - you're saying the cost should prevent us from enforcing SB81? How
much do we spend each year on the Highway Partol or other state agencies to
enforce laws? Are you saying we shouldn't enforce any laws that will cost
money?Utah 9:12, through the treaty of Gudalupe-Hidalgo, we paid (in
part) for this territory. Many will argue whether that treaty, and the war it
ended, were just, but that is water under the bridge. Besides, any "shortfall"
left from the treaty has since been more than made up for by the costs of the
social services illegal Mexicans have extracted from us.It's about
time we started to enforce SB81. We've been wating for the feds to do something
for 20 years, and they've done nothing and will continue to do nothing. Waiting
for the feds is not the answer.
What part of illegal don't these bleeding heart liberals understand. The
area I live is having a cultural change because of the gutless politicians.
Signs are becoming more and more Spanish.
In an overflowing room,among all the pro illegal immigration advocates,stood two
objectors. They spoke concisely about two subjects. I.D. theft and
how it affects your children. Organized crime and the effect it has on Utah,
illegal aliens, the funding of the war in Mexico. Reminicent of an
April day in 1775, when farmers stood against the British army.
The State of Utah actually sits in what used to be Mexico. So let me ask you,
who is really the immigrant here?
If you are interested in landscaping my yard, let me know. I have some day labor
People can do alot themselves, and not wait for these politicians to do
something. Immigration is a phone call away. If everyone makes the calls,
turns employers in for hiring these illegals, people will start to listen. Make
some calls people and lets do something about it.
Lets do something about it before the phones at Immigration ring off the hook
from people that are demanding action. People can actually do something
themselves !!! Call immigration on the people involved in harboring illigals.
Or just pass the word on to the employers that people are going to be calling
and turning them in. We all can take it out of the politicians and handle it
ourselves. If the employer and other people know they are being watched, they
might think more clearer. Its 1 phone call away. MAKE THE CALLS !!!!!!
why do we keep electing representatives that run away from their
responsibilities? illegal means illegal.
Love Thy Neighbor, regarless of any consideration. there is no Love Thy
Neighbor (only if...). Remember when our own people was discriminated. Remember
when we have to move outside of the United States to another country to have a
better life, becuase some people in the U.S. did not like us, jus because of our
Administrati are "very interested in talking about" immigration??? That's your
proof that something is imminent? That's ridiculus, I'm sure that was the
response to concerns anyone brought to them. Sound sympathetic while promising
nothing, that is what any politician will do.
Why aren't you people getting it that someday you will have to implement
immigration bill then why not today? What are you waiting for? Or you are
playing with the hearts of American people? Either implement the law or erase it
totally from the history of America.This is the perfect time to take any
actions, don't use this issue to gain votes during elections. If you really are
interested to do something then show us. DO SOMETHING.
"...Obama administration more time to enact reform was the best move for Utah
right now."WRONG! Now is the perfect time to get rid of the ILLEGAL
ALIENS so Americans can have the jobs.Other States will be passing
State Illegal Immigration Laws and you just made yourself a magnet for the
ILLEGAL ALIENS. I guess UTAH has a lot of money to keep the ILLEGAL ALIENS.Well, better luck next time.
Is it not time for ILLEGAL to mean ILLEGAL!!! Where does this Catholic Bishop
get the idea that we,citizens of the United States of America, have to accept
his definition of ILLEGAL? The majority of the ILLEGALS are of the Roman
Catholic church and only serve his church's asperations. Why don't we give him a
free ride to one of these southern countries, so he can spend his life working
for the people that he favors? ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL Bishop!
The legislators (Dayton, Bramble, Jenkins) don't care about Utahn's citizens
going hungry because they won't have a job, shelter for their families, and the
services that will be taken away because they want to spend $1.8 million on a
bill that will cost the State millions in legal battles. Let's get them out of
office as they don't represent or care for the citizens of our state.