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Utah No. 1 in online porn subscriptions, report says
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shawilli | 1:49 a.m. March 3, 2009
expect to hear about this in April Conference...I am sure that some members
engage in this, but hopefully the problem is not prevalent amoung the members of
the church.
This study is debunked | 4:33 a.m. March 3, 2009
This "study" and conclusion is junk and is debunked at the Wall Street
Journal editorial page. Too bad the Deseret News didn't look at this
critically enough before swallowing it hook, line and sinker.
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Junk analysis | 4:40 a.m. March 3, 2009
Wow, can't believe this was even printed. See the following from the Wall
Street Journal.
"Utah has only 1.69 subscriptions per thousand people. The Beehive State's population is 2.7 million, according to the latest census estimate. That means the total number of Utahns who subscribe to the porn service Edelman analyzes is less than 5,000--quite a small number on which to conclude that the place is full of moralistic deviants."
"Utah has only 1.69 subscriptions per thousand people. The Beehive State's population is 2.7 million, according to the latest census estimate. That means the total number of Utahns who subscribe to the porn service Edelman analyzes is less than 5,000--quite a small number on which to conclude that the place is full of moralistic deviants."
Robb F | 5:40 a.m. March 3, 2009
I don't live in Utah but served a mission there. I had always heard of the
"Utah Mormon" phenomenon before going. What I discovered is that
there are simply more of every type of member in Utah. There are more faithful,
humble members, more hypocrites, more less active, more everything. Basically,
whatever a person wants to find when they come to Utah and meet the members,
they will find. Then they can let that color their impression. I for one,
focus on the thousands of faithful members going about their lives trying to
live their faith.
JMT | 5:41 a.m. March 3, 2009
Having played the game of politics for almost 30 years I smell a rat. IF (big
IF) what "I" is saying is correct about citations I suddenly doubt the
results of this study.
Could this be essentially payback for the LDS support of traditional marriage in California?
In politics NOTHING is above suspicion. If it can be done, someone will do it. And the fact that this report has the name "Harvard" associated with it means little to me. That could be a selling point for his own 'online' junk, per se.
Could this be essentially payback for the LDS support of traditional marriage in California?
In politics NOTHING is above suspicion. If it can be done, someone will do it. And the fact that this report has the name "Harvard" associated with it means little to me. That could be a selling point for his own 'online' junk, per se.
WHY Question the results? | 5:48 a.m. March 3, 2009
For those that have concerns regarding the scholarship of this study, you can
bet those concerns would not be here if Utah had be a state that was last in
Pron use.
It is what it is, and that is just more of the same strange stuff regarding our Great State.
It is what it is, and that is just more of the same strange stuff regarding our Great State.
DTF | 6:15 a.m. March 3, 2009
This needs to be scutinized more heavily. the 84018 zip is for Croydon, in
Morgan County. According to the US Census, Croydon have an estimated 2007
population of 158. So one subscription in Crodon is the equivalent of of 0.45
people in a town of 1000. Obvioulsy the results skew when there is even a
single subscription in a zip code with a small population
Worried Mom | 6:42 a.m. March 3, 2009
Do you have any idea how many people live in the town that they have as the no.
1 zip code? Maybe there might be 50 if you count the little children. Who did he
get his statistics from? Apparently, he has no idea how to figure out how to
figure statistics that are realistic! It could only be 2-3 subscriptions in the
whole town!
Fraud capital | 6:55 a.m. March 3, 2009
We are also the fraud capital of the United States. We would have neither the
porn problem or the fraud problem if Church-members gave greater heed to what
their leaders have been saying over and over and OVER for years and years and
years. President Hinckley addressed the on-line porn problem regularly in
priesthood sessions of General Conference. (President Monson et al will no doubt
do the same.)
The counsel to keep our financial houses in order goes back even further. The "stormy weather" in the financial world forecast by President Hinckley a few years ago is clearly here.
The counsel to keep our financial houses in order goes back even further. The "stormy weather" in the financial world forecast by President Hinckley a few years ago is clearly here.
Read more carefully | 7:10 a.m. March 3, 2009
The % of porn subscribers is quite low compared to population numbers. Also the
zip codes that were the highest in Utah are where the % of non Latter-day Saints
is highest. Also the article pointed out that there is less opportunities to
purchase porn in retail, so the internet is used.
Perhaps if the study was done with more pertinent facts you may find out that Utah's Latter-day Saints have a much lower % than the nation's average for porn purchases.
Perhaps if the study was done with more pertinent facts you may find out that Utah's Latter-day Saints have a much lower % than the nation's average for porn purchases.
PLEASE | 7:18 a.m. March 3, 2009
Why can't we just admit that we have a problem in Utah. Why is that so
hard. The bretren have lectured the priesthood about pornography at every
general confeence (except the last one). They know there is a problem. The
truth is always hard to deal with because it hurts the most. Most of you are
just hiding about rheteric (sp) Garden of Eden Utah is not. I have lived
outside Utah most of my life. I raised my children outside of Utah and much
prefer to live outside the state when it comes to living my religion. This
survey is not surprising. Why does it surprise you???????
PV | 7:23 a.m. March 3, 2009
As "Look At the Zip Codes" pointed out, there is not a strong
correlation between the level of pornography consumption and the LDS population.
If there was such a correlation, the highest concentrations would be in Davis
and Utah Counties, not Salt Lake County and the border counties.
Even so, it is an embarrassment for Utah, and a clear indication that there is work to be done in educating the population about the dangers of pornography.
Of course, critics of the LDS Church can't do much more than repeat the usual "hypocrisy" trope, because to criticize the level of pornography consumption would be admitting that it's a problem, which they aren't likely to do.
Even so, it is an embarrassment for Utah, and a clear indication that there is work to be done in educating the population about the dangers of pornography.
Of course, critics of the LDS Church can't do much more than repeat the usual "hypocrisy" trope, because to criticize the level of pornography consumption would be admitting that it's a problem, which they aren't likely to do.
Terri | 7:52 a.m. March 3, 2009
For porn to be considered as "sweets" you obviously have not had to
deal with the addictive nature of porn. It is not "sweet"! It is a
consuming fire that will burn your soul and drag you down to hell. You probably
will lose your job, your family, and any self-respect you ever had for yourself.
If you had to watch a loved one suffer from this addiction it would be
agonizing, not to mention if it was your daughter on the internet. This
addiction is q cancer and it affects our whole nation. Stop looking at numbers
and look at yourself. Correction comes not from statistics, but from knowing
who you truly are and respecting yourself and others...need I mention the word
LOVE.
Robert | 7:54 a.m. March 3, 2009
Another study reported a few years ago shows that Utah is the state with the
highest percentage of population owning computers.
This is an important factor to consider when studies such as this one are based on subscriptions per the state's population and not per the state's population owning computers.
With more computer ownership, there would naturally be more computer usage, and hence online pornography.
I'm surprised the Deseret News article does not mention this.
This is an important factor to consider when studies such as this one are based on subscriptions per the state's population and not per the state's population owning computers.
With more computer ownership, there would naturally be more computer usage, and hence online pornography.
I'm surprised the Deseret News article does not mention this.
Utes #1 | 7:56 a.m. March 3, 2009
84112, hmmmm, isn't that the University of Utah? Have the Utes finally won
an uncontested #1 slot?
Jumipin' jack | 7:56 a.m. March 3, 2009
This is what happens when the public has to go through hoops to get a drink.
Knowwhat | 7:59 a.m. March 3, 2009
Look at the latest historical evidence of great minds and analysis coming from
Harvard, George W. and Barry O. that tells me anything coming from someone at
Harvard could possibly be insufficient.
84112, that includes the U of U, Go Utes!
84112, that includes the U of U, Go Utes!
Real Issue | 8:08 a.m. March 3, 2009
We have Sen. Buttars trying to defend us against the most dangerous group of
people in the world, homosexuals, and other policitians trying to defend us from
having to look at a bottle of alcohol in a restaurant. Meanwhile we lead the
country in online porn subscriptions? "Skewd", yeah that justfies
this article doesn't it folks. Perhaps the larger issue here is that LDS
have a bigger problem within and don't want to address it. So they deflect
the real issues to something that cannot be associated with good LDS people.
The same people subscribing online for pornography were the same people on here last week defending Sen. Buttars comments against homosexuality. That is the definition of hypocrisy folks. Alive and well in the good ole state of Utah.
The same people subscribing online for pornography were the same people on here last week defending Sen. Buttars comments against homosexuality. That is the definition of hypocrisy folks. Alive and well in the good ole state of Utah.
Previous Stat Student | 8:14 a.m. March 3, 2009
Lets look at three underlying factors that could easily explain this:
1) Utah offers less opportunity for obtaining porn than other states (ex: less strip clubs, porn theatres, liquor stores, etc.)
2) Utah isn't 100% LDS, so anyone not LDS and starved for porn will be more likely to subscribe online as that is the easiest way to obtain it.
3) Utah carries a larger than normal stigma for porn than possibly any other state, forcing people to resign to more private means to get porn, and at home on your computer seems the most private place to get away with it.
THINK before you judge!
1) Utah offers less opportunity for obtaining porn than other states (ex: less strip clubs, porn theatres, liquor stores, etc.)
2) Utah isn't 100% LDS, so anyone not LDS and starved for porn will be more likely to subscribe online as that is the easiest way to obtain it.
3) Utah carries a larger than normal stigma for porn than possibly any other state, forcing people to resign to more private means to get porn, and at home on your computer seems the most private place to get away with it.
THINK before you judge!
Fredd | 8:14 a.m. March 3, 2009
I don't know why everyone doubts this so much. I have read numerous
articles stating Utah is at or close to the top in internet porn searches. My
experience is Mormons (not Utonians, but Mormons) seem to be pretty open about
sex. They keep it within marriage but they aren't shy about it. Not in a
vulgar way, just open about it. And to those who say its the only outlet for
porn in Utah, I don't think there is much competition for the internet.
Lies and statistics | 8:17 a.m. March 3, 2009
Experience tells me this "study" is pure bunk.
Everyone knows you can create a study and make it say whatever you want. This is nothing more than an opinion piece that wraps itself in the cloak of science to "prove that attempts have a morality based society are futile".
Do we have a problem with porn in Utah? Absolutely. But trotting out some study to show that a few zip codes within our state have high subscription rates is just a fluff piece to sell headlines and push a political agenda.
Everyone knows you can create a study and make it say whatever you want. This is nothing more than an opinion piece that wraps itself in the cloak of science to "prove that attempts have a morality based society are futile".
Do we have a problem with porn in Utah? Absolutely. But trotting out some study to show that a few zip codes within our state have high subscription rates is just a fluff piece to sell headlines and push a political agenda.
Anon | 8:23 a.m. March 3, 2009
I haven't read the WSJ editorial on the study, but I smell a Harvard rat.
By the way, porn isn't addictive to mormon men simply because they are
"repressed" mormons. It's addictive and attractive to men
because men are genetically coded to enjoy it. Part of our responsibility in
mortality is overcoming that hard wiring.
Spin | 8:24 a.m. March 3, 2009
Ok, you have convinced me. Mormons don't look at porn. It is all of the
non-mormons. Good arguments people. I should have known. Mormons are good at
spinning information. Look at the history of the church and all of the spin
they put on that. They are just spinning this information as well.
LDS living in California | 8:25 a.m. March 3, 2009
Typical Utah Mormons! LDS living in Utah and outside of Utah are completely
different. Utah Mormons take the church for granted! Live what you preach!
Anonymous | 8:25 a.m. March 3, 2009
Baloney. This is pure nonsense.
Rick | 8:30 a.m. March 3, 2009
Two of the zip codes are in the Salt Lake area. is not that area 65% non Mormon?
Nyal D | 8:32 a.m. March 3, 2009
The argument that the porn is higher in ZIP codes that have smaller percentages
of members and so proves that Mormons don't look at porn as much is flawed.
Since the rest of the universe is overwhelmingly Gentile, and their usage rates
are still lower, one must conclude it is NOT just the Utah non-members ruining
it for the rest of Utah Mormons. Also, how in the world is porn dangerous
addicting, poisonous, or anything like that? I have seen plenty of porn in my
life, I haven't married a man, beaten my wife, or eaten an unhealthy amount
of babies.
True? Possibly... | 8:42 a.m. March 3, 2009
Actually, it's probably that the Utahns don't know where to get free
porn, eh?
lol | 8:47 a.m. March 3, 2009
I loved this quote from the researcher, "But users who do attend religious
services tend to shift their adult entertainment sessions to other days of the
week than the day of services."
Nice.
Nice.
Perspective | 8:49 a.m. March 3, 2009
According to the article that means that 0.547% of people in Utah use this
service. That is significantly less that 1% of the population.
In most states it is much easier to buy hard-core pornography at a local adult bookstore. To be honest with you I am surprized given Utah's strict anti-pornography laws that the number is not much higher.
In most states it is much easier to buy hard-core pornography at a local adult bookstore. To be honest with you I am surprized given Utah's strict anti-pornography laws that the number is not much higher.
SJ | 8:52 a.m. March 3, 2009
I'm not surprised at the story. I've always beleived that Utah had
some of the best people and some of the most troubled people in the world.
Whereever The Lord's best people are, there will be Satan's best
workers as well.
ohmygoodness | 8:52 a.m. March 3, 2009
The "flawed" study would have been right on the mark if it had found
Utah had usage rates comparable to Idaho.
Who cares what total consumption is from all sources?
The fact that statewide over five households per 1000 with broadband have a subscription is something to be concerned about, or not. It's crazy that people are arguing that Utahns are less into porn than the study indicates when the point is we're into porn.
Who cares what total consumption is from all sources?
The fact that statewide over five households per 1000 with broadband have a subscription is something to be concerned about, or not. It's crazy that people are arguing that Utahns are less into porn than the study indicates when the point is we're into porn.
Mark | 8:53 a.m. March 3, 2009
The percentage of Mormons to those of other faiths or no faith at all is less
than half in Salt Lake City. Let's look at the numbers people, we are
talking 5 people out of every thousand are subscribing to online Porn - how does
that prove that it is faithful members of the Mormon faith subscribing? As many
other's have pointed out the internet is virtually the only place to get
this type of smut in Utah so naturally the figures will be higher here and in
other states where it is difficult to get porn in retail locations. Porn is a
problem even among Mormons and the church leadership warns against it and does
everything it can to combat it but this study does not prove that
"Mormons" are big porn users or that Mormons are hypocritical!
Plot them out | 8:53 a.m. March 3, 2009
If one plots these zip codes out they make more sense (although I am not sure
what make Severe so high on the list). Number 2 is U of U campus etc.
Let's not assume that this is a Mormon thing. Some of the areas have much
fewer LDS than the rest of the state.
Alex | 8:55 a.m. March 3, 2009
LDS living in California | 8:25 a.m. March 3, 2009:
"Typical Utah Mormons! LDS living in Utah and outside of Utah are completely different. Utah Mormons take the church for granted! Live what you preach! "
That is not my experience. I don't have a problem with Utah Mormons. I have problems with Utahns that ought to be Mormons, but are afraid to be. It is the fence-sitters and the disaffected that I have more of a problem with. Unfortunately, "what happens in Utah, stays in Utah". This means that Utah is a great place to flout commandments, because the LDS faithful in Utah will always have to pick up the tab for it. For some who are disaffected or critical, that is quite a bonus to their racket.
Some of the best people I have ever known in my life are and were Utah Mormons, and yes, I have lived in Utah before. Some of you out of state LDS should consider what you are doing when you indulge in the "Utah Mormon" digs. It is the faithful in Utah that end up taking the heat, not the hypocrite. The real hypocrites dont care.
"Typical Utah Mormons! LDS living in Utah and outside of Utah are completely different. Utah Mormons take the church for granted! Live what you preach! "
That is not my experience. I don't have a problem with Utah Mormons. I have problems with Utahns that ought to be Mormons, but are afraid to be. It is the fence-sitters and the disaffected that I have more of a problem with. Unfortunately, "what happens in Utah, stays in Utah". This means that Utah is a great place to flout commandments, because the LDS faithful in Utah will always have to pick up the tab for it. For some who are disaffected or critical, that is quite a bonus to their racket.
Some of the best people I have ever known in my life are and were Utah Mormons, and yes, I have lived in Utah before. Some of you out of state LDS should consider what you are doing when you indulge in the "Utah Mormon" digs. It is the faithful in Utah that end up taking the heat, not the hypocrite. The real hypocrites dont care.
LIES | 8:57 a.m. March 3, 2009
OOOOh a study from a University who teaches global warming, and liberalism.
I'm sure this study is on the up and up.
Harvard has zero credibility on social issues.
Harvard has zero credibility on social issues.
weak study | 8:58 a.m. March 3, 2009
This study is flawed. Look at the 5 zip codes mentioned and there are about 100
households per zip code. If 1 person has a subscription, it would totally skew
the data.
Speaking For Myself | 8:58 a.m. March 3, 2009
I guess I am not as smart as many of you because where you can speak in broad
strokes, I can only speak for myself.
In that regard, I am LDS. I try every day to do better than I did the day before. I believe I can one day overcome all the trappings of temptation, of hate, of greed, of selfishness and will some day be free of all of that, but for now, I am very pleased with my progress.
I do not have any subscription to any pornographic publication or site and I have no desire to ever go there. As you have guessed I am nothing special. Just your average everyday person who has seen the disease of pornography infect many homes. It is dangerous and sad at the same time. Yes it is made to peak our curiosity, but we do not have to give in to it, and by not giving in to it we do not have to feel wound up or deprived or repressed or suicidal or postal. We just occupy our lives with more productive and less destructive things. Never give up. Make strides everyday. Love your spouse totally.
In that regard, I am LDS. I try every day to do better than I did the day before. I believe I can one day overcome all the trappings of temptation, of hate, of greed, of selfishness and will some day be free of all of that, but for now, I am very pleased with my progress.
I do not have any subscription to any pornographic publication or site and I have no desire to ever go there. As you have guessed I am nothing special. Just your average everyday person who has seen the disease of pornography infect many homes. It is dangerous and sad at the same time. Yes it is made to peak our curiosity, but we do not have to give in to it, and by not giving in to it we do not have to feel wound up or deprived or repressed or suicidal or postal. We just occupy our lives with more productive and less destructive things. Never give up. Make strides everyday. Love your spouse totally.
Cool_with_Us | 8:58 a.m. March 3, 2009
I personally think that this might be true. I live in Utah so I would no if
something was up. I actually no a few people that do watch it.It's a very
weird thing to do. To tell you the truth we should DRIVE OUR OWN BUS!
Not getting into every bodies business. Its the truth, I personally hope that people shouldn't be so dang hyprocritical. But that's just my opinion. Maybe the percents are true, so what? Let them live their own lives. It's not our business to point people with those problem's out. It's their life. LEAVE THEM ALONE!
Not getting into every bodies business. Its the truth, I personally hope that people shouldn't be so dang hyprocritical. But that's just my opinion. Maybe the percents are true, so what? Let them live their own lives. It's not our business to point people with those problem's out. It's their life. LEAVE THEM ALONE!
mother of a "son of helaman" | 8:58 a.m. March 3, 2009
I live in Northern Utah and found this article very imformative. Instead of
jumping on "the defense" let's take a look at our own homes.
Check your child's history on your home computer and take care of it. You
never know what you might find. Protecting our children from porn is a major
trial of the last days. But it is possible.
SteveS | 9:01 a.m. March 3, 2009
Man I can't believe all the people who are so intent on poking holes in
this study! It seems to me that they are really having trouble coming to terms
with the data collected. I've said it already that some of the connections
the scholar makes between conservative and religious states and their rate of
payment for porn online per capita could be suspect, but please remember that
this was a national study of all states, not just Utah, and the same
methodologies were used in collecting data from Utah as they were for all other
states. Undoubtedly there are lurking variables influencing the data in Utah
(such as access to brick-and-mortar porn stores), but those lurking variables
and others are influencing the data in all other states as well.
The fact remains that people (LDS, non-LDS, etc.) are _paying_ for porn online at a greater per capita rate than any other state. Anyone who's been online recently knows how easy it is to access porn for _free_ in great quantities; it's amazing to me that people actually _pay_ for the stuff, especially if they fear being discovered by others.
The fact remains that people (LDS, non-LDS, etc.) are _paying_ for porn online at a greater per capita rate than any other state. Anyone who's been online recently knows how easy it is to access porn for _free_ in great quantities; it's amazing to me that people actually _pay_ for the stuff, especially if they fear being discovered by others.
Richard | 9:01 a.m. March 3, 2009
Did anyone else notice that the researcher took information from a SINGLE top 10
provider of online porn? What kind of cross section is that?
Judge not that ye be not judged.
Judge not that ye be not judged.
drawing conclusions | 9:02 a.m. March 3, 2009
I awlays find it interesting when the shouts of "addicted to porn"
begin. Many people enjoy so-called porn in responsible fashion just as many
from the state travel to Nevada to gamble in responsible fashion or to Idaho to
play the lottery in responsible fashion. Regular porn viewing does not equate
with addiction.
People with addictive personalities get addicted to many things that end up have a devastating effect on their lives and the lives of their families be it carbs, prescriptions, alcohol, cigarettes, porn, even exercise. I've never seen a public movement to shut down religion just because a per centage of users take it to an extreme.
Let's focus on studying the addictive being and work to find solutions/cures rather than picking and choosing which addiction choice to legislate against.
People with addictive personalities get addicted to many things that end up have a devastating effect on their lives and the lives of their families be it carbs, prescriptions, alcohol, cigarettes, porn, even exercise. I've never seen a public movement to shut down religion just because a per centage of users take it to an extreme.
Let's focus on studying the addictive being and work to find solutions/cures rather than picking and choosing which addiction choice to legislate against.
Paul | 9:03 a.m. March 3, 2009
Utah is always in the news constantly for the most perversion anywhere.
Polygamy, porn, child abuse, animal abuse and whatnot. You people need to be
taught good human values. God help Utah.. enough of the devil there!
BC | 9:04 a.m. March 3, 2009
Regardless of whether the study is flawed or not, it is definitely a problem,
not only in Utah but everywhere--not only with non-LDS church members but with
church members as well. Otherwise, the church leaders would not be warning us
about it in every general conference. It is the gateway drug, so to speak, of
much larger offenses, and we are told that it is even more addictive than drugs.
If Utah is high in online porn subscriptions, you can bet it is high, probably
even higher in free porn on the Internet, since Utah is the freebie state.
OlderThandirt | 9:05 a.m. March 3, 2009
Hey Sen. Valentine--why don't U jump on this one and build a wall around
the entire state? ADD(was ADS) is #1 here, sugar consumption via ice cream,
soda, candy is enormous her. Why not act on some of the things that are everyday
"real hits" on the behavior of kids as they grow up. And, if U
don't want the little ones to see a liquor bottle--go to another
resturant..oh, now that's a novel idea. LOL
confession | 9:09 a.m. March 3, 2009
I will own up. Living in Utah due to this being where my extended family is and
where I could get a job, the majority religion culture drives me crazy so I find
relief in having not one, but seventeen porn site subscriptions. I rarely check
the sites, but get great satisfaction from knowing this day would come and
y'all would get in a dither.
I consider it money well spent.
lol
I consider it money well spent.
lol
Mark | 9:11 a.m. March 3, 2009
Do some Mormon men look at porn? Yes. Are they subscribing to it and paying
for it with their credit cards so their wifes can see the charges? I very much
doubt it. Why do we have to turn everything into Mormons against non-mormons in
this state. Can't we look at a study like this (despite it's
political agenda) and say "what can we all do to combat something that is
damaging to our society".
RPC | 9:11 a.m. March 3, 2009
Privacy --
Sex isn't considered "bad and evil" in Utah. It's considered sacred by Utah. (Or, at least, a lot of people living in Utah). If you had something that you held sacred, would you want to make it filthy and common?
Sex isn't considered "bad and evil" in Utah. It's considered sacred by Utah. (Or, at least, a lot of people living in Utah). If you had something that you held sacred, would you want to make it filthy and common?
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The data means nothing to my personal life, but the concern is for each individual that it does represent. For those that are ensnared by the poison that is pornography I for one don't condemn you, but rather plead that you recognize this filth for what it is, depart from it, regain your self control and your self respect. Instead of excuses for behavior, repent and become anew that you may live justified in your actions. And if someone calls you a hypocrite for it, theirs is the greater offense, so feel sorry for them, and just turn the other cheek. There's no such thing as too good to be true.