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Utah No. 1 in online porn subscriptions, report says

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  • Kirstie United State, AL
    May 3, 2016 11:30 a.m.

    Thought-provoking analysis , I was fascinated by the info . Does someone know if my business might grab a blank OH ODT SD 101 Long example to work with ?

  • Turtles Run Houston, TX
    Jan. 21, 2016 4:58 p.m.

    @Ditto in Canton - "With infinitely fewer adult stores and triple XXX bars in Utah than other states,"

    What the heck is a XXX bar?

  • Ismailthedaddy san jose, CA
    Jan. 7, 2016 4:51 p.m.

    Internet pornography is dangerous to your brains. You see, the reward circuitry of our brains gets 'overloaded' with this kind of constant artificial stimulation. Our brains are not adapted to this kind of stimulation and thus we start having all kinds of problems because of the amount of dopamine receptors decreases. Dopamine is also called the "motivation hormone" as it signals our brains when we should feel pleasure.

    Essentially, internet pornography causes a variety of mental problems such as ADD, mood swings and so on. It even eventually causes physical problems such as erectile dysfunction.

    If you want to know how much internet pornography has affected your brains, take the free test at http://revivedme.com

  • Spikey Layton, UT
    Sept. 23, 2012 11:23 p.m.

    I find it ironic that the underlying accusation is that Mormons are the problem---yet the "Mormon" counties, namely Utah County (Orem/Provo) and Cache County (Logan area) have the highest population of Mormons and they didn't even make the list. Yet Salt Lake and South Salt Lake Counties, and Salt Lake City itself have DEMOCRAT liberal mayors.

    THAT is what I find interesting.

  • Spikey
    Aug. 8, 2010 1:11 p.m.

    I realize this is a bit late, but people are still reading this:

    I find it HYSTERICAL that fingers are being pointed at Mormons---when Salt Lake County and San Juan county are at the top of the list. Both are a lot LESS "Mormonly" than, say, Utah County.

    San Juan County is over 50% Native American, I wonder what would happen if we pointed the finger in THAT direction? Oh, I can just see it! The Lefties would be so upset to find out, (gasp!) maybe it's NOT what the article is trying to say.

    THIS IS A RIOT!

  • Anne26
    May 5, 2010 2:40 p.m.

    If it is mostly active LDS men who have the pornography problem, then wouldn't BYU's zip code be right up there with the others?

    I think those who have a beef with the LDS church look for every opportunity to criticize it.

    It is wrong to blanketly say this is a "mormon" problem. Sadly, it exists among all, - religious and non-religious alike.

    And for those LDS who live out of Utah who are criticizing the "Utah Mormons" I have to say that your own behavior/words are far from Christian. Are all out-of-state Mormons like you?



  • LVIS
    May 5, 2010 8:51 a.m.

    A follow-up study conducted at Princeton (Princeton Socialogical Review, Mar 2010) found that (and just referencing the portion dealing with Utah) the highest online porn use was among non-LDS Democrats, between the ages of 18 and 27, with an average education level of 11.3 years. Which is both disturbing and enlightening, because (1)I'm a Democrat and (2) I didn't think we had that much education.

  • bmr
    Nov. 20, 2009 1:18 p.m.

    Since (mostly) everyone else here are spewing completely irrelevant and unsubstantiated "facts" just like the article's author, I thought I would throw in my 2 bits worth of irrelevant uncorroborated information. Those counties are also the highest concentrations of democrats. It must be the democrats doing this.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 8, 2009 12:11 p.m.

    Miss Kitty, are you saying that the non-LDS population are so perverted that they could skew the numbers that dramatically? I seriously doubt that. Besides, that's pretty insulting to them. I'm LDS, and I don't think the LDS people are any different than anyone else when it comes to basic morality. I do think there is sexual repression.

  • Miss Kitty
    Sept. 8, 2009 11:29 a.m.

    There is no way to know, however, what percentage of the consumers of porn in Utah are Mormons. Interesting that when the subject of porn in Utah is brought up, people automatically think, "oh, those sexually repressed Mormons." I'm just sayin'.

  • chad
    July 16, 2009 7:59 p.m.

    not only porn subscriptions but porn consumpsion.

  • Joe
    March 12, 2009 11:01 a.m.


    Once again Mormon haters, the Tribune, etc, are really gloating over some misleading stats on young Utah. Examples of things rarely mentioned: lowest birth rate to unwed mothers, low death by drunk driving (when my wife moved here from Pittsburgh, also with low rates of driving deaths, she was surprised to see beer in grocery stores, but since tourist dollars are more important than lives, to some, we only hear whining here, long and loud, about being embarrassed over Utah), nor do we hear of the studies showing low rates of mental problems and depression among LDS, etc. So they now would have us believe that Utahans are all addicted to porn because of our repressiveness, anti-gay stand, etc (name your Mormon blame), but in New York and wholesome Vegas, where it's available at every corner, whorehouse, casino, hotel, taxi, TV, and etc. and there is no need to subscribe on the internet, there, no one is looking! Theyre freed from sexuality by liberalism. Funny, but not really. This sort of misinformation and blame is what is destroying our society.

  • JJB
    March 11, 2009 10:06 a.m.

    Utah has the distinct honor of leading the nation as well in antidepressant prescriptions, prescription pill abuse and suicides among young men ages 15-24. Could there be a correlation????? All is not well in Zion. I wonder if things would be different if people around here felt free to he honest about their feelings. I would think that honesty is a "family value". I wonder how many of those young men would be alive today if they lived in a place where they could be open about their sexual feelings and sexual orientation. So tragic! A tragedy that does not have to be!!!! Wake up Urah otherwise their blood is on your hands.

  • Sevier
    March 7, 2009 9:12 p.m.

    Sevier is a town not a county. There are probably 10 families that live there. If one family has porn, then that makes a high percentage! Check the facts!

  • Anonymous
    March 7, 2009 7:00 p.m.

    It is human nature to want to learn of that which you are not familiar. It can be entertaining and in good nature, or it can be dangerous. I believe that intent, both good and bad, should be given and not left up to individuals to understand using their own limitations.

  • Re; Naked
    March 7, 2009 1:13 p.m.

    Nothing is free

  • I like naked chicks
    March 7, 2009 1:01 p.m.

    The saddest part of this whole thing is it proves that a large number of Utahns arent smart enough to find free porn on the internet. Why buy it?

  • Savant
    March 7, 2009 9:29 a.m.

    For some reason, the moderator is only posting one side of the argument. Those presenting logical arguments defending Utah and the LDS Church are being blocked. I asked some legitimate questions last night and they didn't get posted. So I'll try again ...

    1) The word hypocrite is being thrown around here a lot. Where in the article did it say that the people using on-line porn are the same people saying not to do it?

    2) Where did it say the LDS Church leaders are using on-line porn?

    3) How on earth does Prop 8 (a California issue) have anything to do with on-line porn use in Utah?

  • lol...perennial numbers
    March 7, 2009 5:12 a.m.

    Utah will stay this way. Year after year after year after year. Why? Because of all the explanations, excuses, counterpoints and measures. It'll be just like Utah, number 1 in teen suicide for 14 YEARS RUNNING.

    Don't you naysayers and excusers think every other state in the nation can't come up with the EXACT same arguments??? It happened over here, it happened over there, it ain't us, it's everyone else. Look at this zipcode and that zipcode. How will Utah stay number 1? Here's how, it's thinking like this:

    God knows everything that we do. Forget Big Brother.

    This research, while useful, is difficult to interpret

    Regardless of Mormon or Non Mormon, it is a false survey, when they don't really get the figures from both sides

    How do we know its not all the gay people that are looking at porn, or everyone else?

    then on-line pornography consumption in Utah seems to be independent of Mormon vs. not.

    Just more lies. Twist things around why don't you.

    I find that if you look for the good, life is more beautiful and peaceful.

    just a few. till next year











  • Addicted
    March 6, 2009 11:17 p.m.

    This article is very interesting to me, as I am an addict to pornography and live in Utah. I attend the LDS sponsored addiction recovery group every week and let me just get out there and say that pornography is a far greater problem than people (in Utah and everywhere)think it is. On any given week there will be dozens of guys there seeking help out of this addiction. I invite people everywhere to help those who have addictions (check out LDS Family Services Addiction Recovery Program- in select areas there are specific meetings only for pornography/sexual addictions).

    On a side note, I have never paid for pornography and see many lurking variables and holes in this study. Obviously the zip codes are to be considered, but the fact that other forms of pornography were not taken into account (cell phone, satellite tv, film, magazine, free internet porn, strip clubs, retail stores, etc.)leaves a huge margin of error. Either way though, it is a horrible thing and I wish that it had never entered my life or the life of anyone else.

  • to Keriama
    March 6, 2009 5:13 p.m.

    You judge Harvard pretty harshly. The artical was from the Harvard Business School. Until a couple years back, Kim Clark (now Elder Kim Clark, of the 70, and president of BYU Idaho) was the dean there. His dean of the MBA program was Steve Wheelwright (now Elder Steve Wheelwright of the 70, and president of BYU Hawaii). They spent a lot of time with one of their top students, Clayton Christenson (now Elder Clayton Christenson, of the 70), who is still a professor at Harvard...

    Don't be too quick to condemn our Harvard friends...
    (The rest of Harvard can be pretty liberal, but the business school is "Swarmin' with Mormons")

  • Rog2
    March 6, 2009 4:50 p.m.

    Let's blame the study. Let's blame the author, or the zip codes, the church and many other factors.
    Let's not! The facts are in, Utahn's are the highest subscribers of online porn. Call a spade a spade.
    A lot of you are angry and in denial.

  • MrIntuition
    March 6, 2009 2:36 p.m.

    Lots of LDS people go to Harvard. Lots of studies are skewed -- most, in fact. Online porn is everywhere. A lot of it is free, in fact. Hard to quantify that, isn't it? "Sin" is everywhere and "sinners" are going to do their thing. The issue revolves around legislating morality which, I submit, pretty much always drives people to do more sin. What usually works is good parenting. LDS President McKay once said something along the lines of "teach them good principles and let them govern themselves." Why can't people do that? Beyond that either don't go there or shut it off.

  • JG
    March 6, 2009 9:37 a.m.

    Those people claiming these're made up numbers produced out of anger over the gay marriage issue are forgetting & ignoring (as it was cited in the article) that there're been previous studies and court cases that've shown similar numbers. One from over a decade ago involved Utahans trying to ban PPV adult movies from hotels as a violation of "community standards" and all the PPV people produced numbers showing HUGE consumption of said movies by LOCALS. That was SLC based. At the time the same issue about lack of access to the materials otherwise was cited.

  • Keriama
    March 6, 2009 3:13 a.m.

    Don't trust this Liberal, secularist, untruthful Harvard Professor. The gay crowd are still angry with the LDS Church's involvement with Prop 8 in 2008 (and you can bet your boots this man is FOR gay marriage and is affiliated with them in some way) and they will try anything to vilify the Mormon Church. Do not believe everything you hear folks! Satan is at work here...the Church and saints will be/and are being persecuted for their stance on gay marriage, abortion and other issues. I don't live there, but I know that Utah is a great place to be!

  • Mark Twain
    March 5, 2009 11:01 p.m.

    Mark Twain said there are three kinds of lies; lies, damned lies and statistics! You know, I think he was right!

  • It is all a sham
    March 5, 2009 10:43 p.m.

    You cannot believe anything you read today. This is not to defend Utah. The truth is that researchers change results to make points and support their own predispositions. How many e-mails have you received citing some new law that the evil administration has passed?

    Believe nothing from the media. Believe nothing from researchers. Believe nothing from blogs. Actually don't even consider this comment.

  • Sevier County
    March 5, 2009 10:07 p.m.

    Whoa!! Sevier County and Harvard!! Who knew??

  • Anonymous
    March 5, 2009 2:57 p.m.

    Way to go Utah. 2% beer and porn.........


    LOL

  • When
    March 5, 2009 1:32 p.m.

    Are Utahans going to learn that there is free porn on the internet?

  • Open Your Eyes
    March 5, 2009 1:02 p.m.

    LDS/Mormons are hypocrites?? If you meet a mormon, they are going to be hypocritical and judge you no matter what. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! People in general are hypocritical and are going to judge whoever they want when they want. Maybe you should stop judging "mormons" and look in the mirror. Who are the real Hypocrites????

  • Obama Republican
    March 5, 2009 11:06 a.m.

    Number one in Porn! Number one in Bankruptcy!

    What is next?

  • Re 10:10
    March 5, 2009 10:43 a.m.

    Like Brigham Young had a lot of room to talk about anything. He never had one single revelation while he was alive! And for that matter not even ONE for practicing polygamy, so you wonder where Bro. Young came up with that one?

    There is a BIG problem in Utah and the culture here.

  • Anonymous
    March 5, 2009 10:10 a.m.

    As Brigham Young said, "main street in salt lake will run knee-deep with blood at the second coming". Maybe it's time we looked in the mirror. I'm not saying that "Utah" means "Mormon" either. There are many non-members and i'd bet that a small portion of those are active and faithful in the church but there are still some. Way too many in fact. It is a huge problem that needs to be fixed. Who cares if others point and blame, lets show some humility and fix it. I for one am not innocent and realize a change has to be made soon.

  • Tony Luna Puerto de Luna
    March 5, 2009 9:54 a.m.

    I thought it was the economy straining adult basic education.

  • Johnny Utah #9
    March 5, 2009 9:37 a.m.

    This study is just for people who pay for porn. There are plenty of free sites that I'm sure get 10 times the amount of traffic when compared to the pay sites. I'd bet the study of the free sites compared to pay sites would have staggering results.

  • Frank Castle
    March 5, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    re: @Sal | 1:57 p.m. March 4, 2009

    >> I love the beauty of this state, the health services, the educational opportunities, cultural opportunities and cultural diversity.

  • (poison) ivy league
    March 5, 2009 9:17 a.m.

    re; would never lie to us | 4:51 p.m. March 3, 2009

    >>How dare you question a professor from Harvard?!?!

    President Hopenchange is a Harvard graduate.

  • no suprize
    March 5, 2009 9:13 a.m.

    welcome to utah the biggist fraud skeem.

  • Rooster Valley
    March 5, 2009 8:54 a.m.

    Somebody on here needs a math class. The only sevier towns that I'm aware of are Richfield and Salina. I would think as though everyone there including the cow may be reading porn. Oh, don't forget Scipio.

  • It's not surprising
    March 5, 2009 7:51 a.m.

    to find that many of these comments are worthless. Please read the article before posting comments. I found it to be well written and informative, which is the intent of the author. So please, all of you who are in love with yourself, please use some sense when making comments about a subject which you do not have any idea what it is about.

  • Do the Math
    March 4, 2009 11:56 p.m.

    The data found 3.6 broadband users in 1000 subscribing to online porn. That's 0.36% (less than 1/2 of 1 percent) of the broadband population. Is it possible that this small percentage is made up of the 50% of Utah population that is Non-LDS? There may be no correlation to the LDS population at all. That was not a demographic of the study.

  • Sevier Town?
    March 4, 2009 11:40 p.m.

    It's just south of Joseph, Utah and you can drive right past it and not know it's there. ONE single subscription from a tiny place like that can statistically outweigh THOUSANDS from a large city.

  • TC
    March 4, 2009 11:34 p.m.

    All things considering, I thought that this was a well written Deseret News article. It actually had more points mitigating or even completely diluting the finds of the Harvard article (such as the lack of pornography available in brick & mortar stores), with the Harvard professor himself saying that the findings are unnaturally skewed towards Utah being number one.

    I think that our mostly conservative and mostly religious society in Utah can actually have a sort of oppressed or even rebellious effect on us and cause us to view this wretchedness more, but I'd rather point out that it is a growing problem EVERYWHERE and I would love to be from a state that takes it more seriously than others and works harder to rid it from our lives. I know we can do better!!!

  • Simon say's..........
    March 4, 2009 7:15 p.m.

    Utah is also number #1 in pulling a leg or two of more than one or two people a day. You people are the top notch, lying, conniving, hoaxsters of all time. It is called follow the leaders of Hoax town USA. No one in the world is surprised that you guys are #1 in PORN TRASH.

  • Get Facts Straight
    March 4, 2009 7:03 p.m.

    The figure is per 1000 BROADBAND USERS (connections) not total households or persons. Some of the ZIP codes listed don't even have 100 houses let alone BROADBAND connections. So assume 50 BROADBAND connections at 5.4% would be 2 that subscribe. To extrapolate this out to per 1000 is not accurate at all.

  • to 1:40
    March 4, 2009 6:13 p.m.

    In what way did I lie?

    I think I am interpreting the data pretty well (after reading the original study by my colleage and taking into account my understanding of local demographics after having lived in Utah for about 8 years). I think that the author of the original study would agree with what I wrote. (It is the people who read the study -- the Deseret News readers -- who are misinterpreting and acontextually sensationalizing the partial data they have been presented.)

    While many of the staments in this blog are purely suppositional, I thought that checking some statistics (such as those regarding the use of alternate forms of adult entertainment nationally) would add some objective clarity.

    What leads you to belive what I wrote was a "lie"? (Or were you just trying to be cute?)

    -- "1:29"

  • Woman OTW
    March 4, 2009 4:36 p.m.

    The comments made that some good can come out of the study if it focuses attention on a serious problem is a good way to view the information in the story.

    Mark Chamberlain, co-author of the book "Confronting Pornography" will be the guest speaker at the United Women's Forum on March 11, 2009. The meeting will be held at the Bountiful Library at 10:15 AM.

    We invite anyone interested in knowing more about how they can protect their families from this problem or how to get help if they are already confronting it to join us.

  • JJ
    March 4, 2009 3:44 p.m.

    People who are saying that this is an indication of the LDS church in Utah don't understand the numbers. 5.47 people out of every 1000 Utahns subscribe to a service. That's 0.006%, or just over half of one percent. With approximately 2.5 million residents in Utah, that about 15,000 people that are registered to these services. They could all be non-members of the LDS church. It's not likely, but it's possible. It is a very low number.

  • @Sal
    March 4, 2009 1:57 p.m.

    Sal, You hit the nail on the head. There are so many good things about Utah. I have lived in several states. I love the beauty of this state, the health services, the educational opportunities, cultural opportunities and cultural diversity. I find that if you look for the good, life is more beautiful and peaceful. I too have a problem with those who degrade men and women, whether in print, the internet, television etc. But people do have a choice how they spend their time and money. I hope at the end of life we can all look back and say, I like how I spent my time.

  • Statistics
    March 4, 2009 1:47 p.m.

    Some interesting statistics about the zip codes cited...(according to an Internet statistics site..)

    84766 (Sevier) has a total of 66 households, and has four times the national average in the rate of rapes, and twice the national avereage rate in crime.

    84112 (Salt Lake) has 258 households, 1.5 times the rape, and twice the crime of the US average.

    84018 (Croydon) has a total of 40 households, has three registered sex offenders, and 1.3 times the national average for rape.

    84006 (Bingham Canyon) has 288 household, 4 sex offenders, and 1.5 times the national average for rape.

    84536 (Monument valley) is 95% native American. 563 hosueholds. No registered sex offenders, 70% of the national average for reported rapes. Average home value is about 17% that of the rest of the state.

  • Sal
    March 4, 2009 1:46 p.m.

    I really like intelligent discussion, but sometimes some of the old refrains get really old. No one in Utah is perfect. Not the Mormons, not the Catholics, not the Protestants, not the gays or anyone else. I have a problem with people who degrade women or men, but if some want to spend their time, money and their life looking at "kinky" things, then so be it. I do have a real problem with people who live in Utah and have nothing but contempt for Utah. Why don't you move to somewhere that you like. The problem is that you wouldn't like that either. Complaining about everything must be so miserable. If you find that complaining is all that gives your life meaning, you are very poor indeed.

  • Michelle
    March 4, 2009 1:42 p.m.

    I think this is really funny. But Chris Buttar's says that homosexuals are the biggest threat! Ha! Chew on this for a while, why don't you.

  • to 12:39
    March 4, 2009 1:40 p.m.

    Just more lies. Twist things around why don't you.

  • Harvard StatJock
    March 4, 2009 12:39 p.m.

    More reality checking:

    Although there has been speculation that the lack of substitutes might have something to do with Utah having somewhat higher on-line consumption of pornography than other states, a look at actual statistics is very revealing.



    In 2006 (which is the year of the study in question), on-line pornography accounted for only 22% of the national adult entertainment industry (vs. DVDs/videos, magazines, clubs, etc.).



    Assuming that the lack of availability of these other sources of adult entertainment means that Utahs consumption from those sources is far less than in other states, and indeed that the bulk of pornography consumption in Utah is through the Internet alone, then Utah has a substantially LOWER consumption of pornography than other states.


    Beware of people who can use statistics to tell lies!

  • MRJ
    March 4, 2009 12:30 p.m.

    5.47 out of every 1000 people in Utah subscribe to porn sites. According to you Utah Haters that is the vast majority! Utahns are hyprocites because the overwhelming majority of them are involved in this!!

    1 out of every 183 citizens are involved in this and that makes a vast majority? Have you considered the fact that Utah has very few adult bookstores and other places to purchase pornography relative to its population? Those who want it therefore get in on line because that is there best option.

    If you included all purchases of adult material per capita from state to state the results would be quite different. But forget logic just continue to complain about Utah and use words like hypocrite because it will make you feel better about the lifestyle you are currently engaging in.

  • StatJock
    March 4, 2009 12:17 p.m.

    Lets have some rationality here.
    The four counties that have zip codes with the highest online porn use are Sevier, Salt Lake, Morgan, and San Juan.

    If this were a problem with Mormons, then one would expect areas with higher densities of Mormons to have the biggest problem.

    San Juan County has the third LOWEST concentration of Mormons of the 29 counties in the state, estimated now at about 37.5%.
    Salt Lake County is estimated to be the fourth lowest concentration of Mormons, at about 49%.
    On the other hand, Sevier and Morgan have the second and third highest concentrations (around 88%).

    Assuming (and this might be a bad assumption) that these numbers are reflected in the individual zip codes as well, then on-line pornography consumption in Utah seems to be independent of Mormon vs. not. Hence, if on-line pornography consumption is higher in Utah than elsewhere, it is not because Mormons consume more on-line pornography than others, but because of other factors most notably the lack of substitute sources. Hence the article (and especially the headline) is shown to be misleading.

  • COVER IT UP!
    March 4, 2009 12:07 p.m.

    Lets just sweep it under the rug like we do everything else in Utah. Lets tell ourselves that all these people are liars in the outside world so that we can believe whatever we want to about it.

  • Big Question ?
    March 4, 2009 11:48 a.m.

    How can a Harvard survey know what one does, if they themselves are doing it? Regardless of Mormon or Non Mormon, it is a false survey, when they don't really get the figures from both sides.........

  • Concerned Parent
    March 4, 2009 11:38 a.m.

    I'm glad to see that not every LDS person on here is in denial (eg Mormon Bishop). Let's quit stressing over whether the research is "accurate" (research never really is) and whether Utah's ranking is 1st, 25th, or 50th. That doesn't really matter; what matters is realizing is that this is a real problem (that's why it's mentioned about once a year in someone's conference talk) that includes many among the LDS community. If you are shocked by this, you need to get over that and start being aware.

    Youth leaders, parents and teachers can't stress enough to kids that they need to avoid pornography. Many get entangled at a young age by innocently stumbling upon it and not being trained to avoid it. And so it begins. Don't wait until your child is a senior in high school.

    Filter your computers. Be aware of your kids. No computers in any private rooms in your home. Prevention of this devastating problem is much more effective than treatment. Let's be aware, heed the advice of our leaders, and quit pretending it doesn't or won't ever ensnare anyone we know.

  • Gail
    March 4, 2009 10:39 a.m.

    To: How Naive--
    There is a good reason for the HIGH rate of inactive LDS members in Utah, and I think you hit the nail straight forward on the head. Being a Utah Mormon, I would have to agree with you and say that's it simply just the way of it here. I'm not sure though that it has anything to do with pornography, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised or doubt it in the least.

  • James
    March 4, 2009 10:32 a.m.

    I love how the document is about the church. How do we know its not all the gay people that are looking at porn, or everyone else? We know this because the church is a GREAT escape goat. If something wrong happens with Utah its because of the LDS church. This makes sense though. Democrats can't be held responsible for their own actions.

  • KJ
    March 4, 2009 10:03 a.m.

    This research, while useful, is difficult to interpret because of the small percentages. 3.6-5.4 subscribers out of 1,000 households is very small. The states on the top on bottom of the list are likely going to be small states because a few extra subscriptions here and there are going to greatly affect the results in those states. That happens whenever you use ratios in a research study.

    Also, the forbidden fruit explanation is flawed because folks that are subscribing to porn are not dabbling with forbidden fruit - they are addicted to it. It is likely that the extra two people (per 1000) that are subscribing to porn on Utah are not able to go to strip clubs and other venues like they would in say, NY or CA.

  • Parents grow up!
    March 4, 2009 9:05 a.m.

    I think you folks need to quit blaming the children of Utah. If UT kids were not told from day one that their whole purpose in life, from the time they are born, that someday they will be gods if they live the mormon rules, and get married, and multiply worlds of people, that they wouldn't think continuously about sex, or how important SEX is to them. I blame the parents, the culture of Utah.

  • fern
    March 4, 2009 8:16 a.m.

    This article is great, it's always great fun when one can point fingers at the so called bigots but one has to remember that statistics is one science where one plus one never equals two. Religion is a good thing per se the danger lies with religious leaders who use the scriptures as a tool to fulfill their own ambitions hence proposition 8 and all other stuff they come up with. The French philosopher Pascal said it right, if God exists and you led a good life you'll go to heaven if he doesn't exist you'll have led a good life anyway.

  • Ted Evans, Jr.
    March 4, 2009 7:39 a.m.

    For a thoughtful analysis of this porn study check out the following article from The Wall Street Journal...

    "Red States, Blue Movies Are conservatives really big porn fans?"

    By JAMES TARANTO

  • Steven Burwood
    March 4, 2009 4:39 a.m.

    All wrongdoings will be revealed. Any porn among a highly LDS predominant population is alarming. People who think that their unclean wants (not needs) can be hidden because they don't have to purchase it a face to face with another is wrong. Not only does the Internet reveal to those who look, God knows everything that we do. Forget Big Brother.

  • re Darlene | 10:20 p.m.
    March 4, 2009 4:12 a.m.

    I've been outspoken here talking about Utah and it's problems and I can't agree with your views that non mormons are ignorant of Utah, I think the reality is Utah is ignorant about Utah and that's why this problem has been around a while now and will continue to stay around until Utah deals with it.

    THAT SAID, you speak some real truth about pornography. I don't agree on the same level about how evil it is...it's simply a representation of what exists and always has in the minds of men who are human, be it in a fantasy, the sight of a passing woman, or whatever form it presents itself. But that said again, I absolutely 100% hands down agree, the availability of providing endless visual fantasy images of video sex upon sex upon sex in every body shape, form, and variety and excuse me here...position IS DESENSITIZING. It DOES detract from the physical bond between two partners and in too large and too often a dose...it can replace something very special in a counterfeit way. Experienced it, noticed it, didn't like it, changed it. Good post Darlene.

  • Mossback George
    March 4, 2009 12:42 a.m.

    WAY TO GO, MONTANA!!! DEAD LAST AND I LOVE IT.

  • how naive
    March 4, 2009 12:09 a.m.

    How naive to think the Church is the same in Utah as elsewhere. My RS president commented recently that she visited Utah and not one person spoke to her. I've visited the same ward in Orem twice and twice I was completely ignored as though I was invisible. A sister sitting by me said her Mom was a Stake RS president in AZ and visited Utah and no one spoke to her either. She actually talked to the RS president about it afterwards because it is so rude not to welcome visitors and make them feel at home. Our RS president said how grateful she was that our ward is so friendly and treats visitors and newcomers with love and respect instead of indifference or neglect. Good thing none of us were investigators or nonmembers or less actives returning. They would have received a very skewed view of what the true Church is really like. BTW these were 3 wards in different cities. I'm sure many have had the same experience when visiting Utah.

  • think again
    March 4, 2009 12:02 a.m.

    This has nothing to do with backlash over prop 8. I read the same thing about Utah on DN several years ago. In fact, it was commented on in RS recently.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 11:59 p.m.

    Pornography is an ugly thing. This fact should not be discounted. The point that is missed in this study is overall access to pornography in Utah. Utahns (not just Mormons) do not have access to the high number of strip clubs, adult stores and other sexual outlets that are excessively prevalent in other states...the alternative, unfortunately, is found online. Online usage may be higher, but it would be interesting to see overall pornographic/sexual consumption. I would guess that one might find a different outcome.

  • mark
    March 3, 2009 11:30 p.m.

    Someone stole my name. Couldn't you find your own?

  • dan
    March 3, 2009 10:20 p.m.

    When we are good we are very, very good. But when we are bad, well........

  • Darlene
    March 3, 2009 10:20 p.m.

    I lived in Utah for 11 years and was married to a man who is still addicted to porn and it ruined our lives and our marriage. Porn is a tool that desensitizes your sexual appetite and will ruin any true relationship because there is no way that any real physical interaction between two people can even be real. There are no feelings, and my x-husband is proof of this. It does not matter what state you live in porn is everywhere, EVERYWHERE even in evening television. The degradation of society is real, people no longer have any morals, kindness and being polite or having compassion for your neighbor no longer exists. All of these things you can find no matter if you are in UT, Kansas, Wyoming, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, or the south pole. Come on people what are you really arguing about? People are ill-informed about Mormons so they are fearful and therefore they tend to place blame in ignorant ways.

  • The Blame Game
    March 3, 2009 8:55 p.m.

    Re: Christine, May I remind you that we are talking about "Utah" not anyone, or anywhere else.. just UTAH!

    I have too much pride and I am appalled over the people of Utah.

    We need to quit blaming the kids for the faults of the adults.. stop blaming others!!!

  • Christine
    March 3, 2009 8:37 p.m.

    The study actually says that there is little variance between states regarding porn consumption. The media spin by New Science is what is concerning here. Porn is a growing issue across the country, especially amongst young adults, and with UT being the youngest state in the nation, it makes sense that it would be showing a slightly higher rate of consumption than other states.

  • yellow horse
    March 3, 2009 8:31 p.m.

    Why I never, this is an embarrassment to Utah.

  • Give Me A Break
    March 3, 2009 8:18 p.m.

    The study also found that those who donate blood, engage in volunteer activities, or participate in community projects are more prone to view pornography.

  • TO: The Real Story
    March 3, 2009 8:09 p.m.

    #1 What researchers found is that porn goes down on Sundays in the areas where more people report they attend church on a weekly basis.

    In Red States the type of porn tended to be wife swapping/web cam/ vouyerism. In Blue states it was adult escort type porn.




  • the real story
    March 3, 2009 7:53 p.m.

    this is not a surprise, we've heard similar reports on google searches. The REAL story, and I would LOVE to get a break down on this is:

    WHAT IS THE BREAKDOWN ON THE TYPE OF PORN?

    I mean, there are many flavors of porn and various sites target various types. Wouldn't it be the ultimate irony to find out that it was primarily GAY porn? And the next question, what is the breakdown on women vs men? Can we be so sure that there isn't a significant amount of women who participate in this for whatever reason?

    I would love to see some detailed and FAIR research on this. No, not the mormon website FAIR, they're already too busy working overtime to prepare a logical response to this and it will only perpetuate the blindness to the problem. Let's get to the meat of the matter. See it for what it is....

  • a familiar saying
    March 3, 2009 7:39 p.m.

    after seeing the mormon church virtually fly out of their state to attack the things they didn't like in california, a few things come to mind:

    physician, heal thyself

    let he who is without sin.... (THE MAN)

    me think he protesteth too loudly (Shakespear)

    I NEVER inhaled! (Bill Clinton)

    Soddom and Gomorah..

    stupid is as stupid does (forest gump)

    To find the alcoholic in the neighborhood, look for the home with the prettiest yard (various in AA)

    The emperor has no clothes!

    We are a strange and peculiar people...

    Out of the frying pan and into the fire!

    I'm talking to the man in the mirror.....If you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make the....change (oddly enough Michael Jackson??? Is there a lesson there?)

    Pride goeth before the fall...

    The last one being my favorite...it's up to you people to fix this and you can....if you stop focusing on the evil world outside your church and turn that high powered microscope on yourselves...you're not immune to problems, you are people, just like everyone else. The higher the pedastal, the further the fall





  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 7:10 p.m.

    What kind of internet newbie idiot would subscribe and pay for porn when you can easily get it for free.

  • mark
    March 3, 2009 6:55 p.m.

    Maybe a queer legislator in Utah, (you know the guy,) should author a bill which lets all the consumers of porn, have their names and addresses to be published in the newspaper, just like sexual predators.
    How many Judges, and Police Chiefs, and even BISHOPS would find that legislation....embarrassing?

  • Jan
    March 3, 2009 6:47 p.m.

    Utah Legislature should tax the porn subscription sites. This could be the answer to our budget woes.

  • in typical fashion
    March 3, 2009 6:43 p.m.

    the naysayers and mormon apologists flock to the boards thinking of and reciting every excuse they can find for this. What comes of that? The same thing as the teen suicide rate where Utah is number 1 for 14 years running now. Next year Utah will be 15 years running, the year after it will be 16.

    It's the people who don't like to hear or see anything wrong with their church that are part of the perpetuation of these problems. And many more....unflattering, ugly statistics. Denial is an ugly thing. Total blindness in some of these things borders criminal.

  • LR
    March 3, 2009 6:41 p.m.

    I have a family member who got hooked on porn. The FBI had been watching him. He was arrested, his computer confiscated and put in jail. It was printed in the arrest section of the paper. He had gone so far as to begin looking at child porn. What an embarrassment for our entire family. He was also a High Priest in the Mormon church and held a high ranking calling. I'm not writing this to say that non-mormons don't get addicted to porn, I'm sure it's a problem for many regardless of religious beliefs. I would like to tell you that the Internet is policed by the FBI and getting to deep into porn and having children's porn images will result in serious charges (sexual exploitation of a minor). My relative had a felony I believe. The FBI is trying to protect the innocent exploited children out there on the other end of the computer screen. Be careful you porn viewers...the FBI is monitoring.

  • Duh
    March 3, 2009 6:37 p.m.

    Duh....that's cause unlike most states, you can't go to the local grocery store or adult store and buy it yourself. This has almost nothing to do with concealment. It's the same reason why many Utahns visit Las Vegas, Wendover, etc. Because Utah is one of the few states that doesn't allow any type of gambling.

  • Red
    March 3, 2009 6:32 p.m.

    "one possibility is that Utah consumers find it difficult to obtain their desired adult entertainment through retail purchases."

    D'ya think?!?

    I remember the pickets (my dad's Bountiful ward provided such on a regular schedule--it was, as I recall, an LDS Church "calling") at "adult" book/video outlets decades back.

    I also remember vigilantes publicizing the license plates of customers entering salacious, but lawful, businesses.

    As I recall, the Guardians of Virtue on one call-in program were outraged that anyone would assume that the standards of a community's residents -- as revealed by their commercial activity -- could in any way define or determine "community standards!"

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 6:28 p.m.

    Very sad.
    I also read further on this study and Republican states had the highest porn use.

  • OlderThanDirt
    March 3, 2009 6:18 p.m.

    Re:Jenifer!!!!!!!...........U said it ALL!!!!!!!

  • Older Than Dirt
    March 3, 2009 6:16 p.m.

    Re:know your spouse and children?? OOH My Gooosh.
    What a churchie retort.......The guy had his wife, etc. go on the internet "as he did not know if he could resist" (or words to that effect). I grew up in the midwest and was raised a Catholic------I don't need my wife to go on the internet for me to stay away from porn?! Yes, I do at times have an adult beverage, but as an adult I am able to control myself. Maybe they need a "CTR" class for all the local persuasion men in this state so that they will not "wander" off the beat'n path. GIVE ME A BREAK!!

  • G
    March 3, 2009 6:13 p.m.

    I knew this article would generate comments, but this is ridiculous. Many of the comments here are already pointed out in the article and most of the comments are just repeats of other peoples comments. Cant we stop wasting other peoples time and at least READ what has been written BEFORE adding to it.

    For those of you who are so desperately falling over yourselves to criticize the LDS church just give it a rest. Mormons have sexual desires (Big Shocker!) but not any more than anyone else in the world.

    LDS Church leaders have long understood that internet porn is a plague on the church. Those who once prided themselves in resisting all manner of impropriety, now find themselves sideswiped by the sudden ability to anonymously access the forbidden.

    Instead of mocking the Mormons, as usual, we should be outraged at the people that foisted their porn on people that spiritually do not desire it (in spite of have the desiring as any human being).

    Providing porn to Mormons is like providing alcohol to a recovering alcoholic. Mormons should have a right to be free from such overpowering temptations.

  • Jenifer
    March 3, 2009 6:07 p.m.

    You people need to quit covering your sins. At least the rest of us can admit it when we do something instead of sweeping it under the carpet continuously day after day, year after year. Sober up Utah, to the fact that you have a problem. Quit blaming the nonmembers and inactive members for everything that goes wrong in Utah. Own up to your own misbehaving.

  • Re: Sad Story
    March 3, 2009 5:49 p.m.

    Also, remember that it is not households but Broadband connections (high speed internet). I bet very few of those 20 houses in Sevier (or also in San Juan County) have Broadband. But let's assume that all 20 do. At 5.4% that would be 1 household. Does not seem like much of a epidemic when you really look at the facts.

  • what the world needs now...
    March 3, 2009 5:41 p.m.

    Does this study have statistical flaws? Yes--a review of the comments will expose most of them.

    Do Mormons have trouble with porn? Yes, and I don't really care if their rate of use is greater or less than non-Mormons. I think the key is, for those who become addicted, we need to get them help. A bishop posting earlier noted what a problem it is. If it is affecting your life, if it is causing you to view people as objects, if it is taking time from your family--you need help. If you're Mormon, see your bishop. If you're not, there are a lot of good addiction resources/groups. Please find one for your sake and your family's.

    As for the non-Utah Mormons bashing the Utah Mormons, what's up with that? Aren't we all different versions of the same, flawed children trying (and often failing) to follow what we know is right? Don't we get enough bashing from detractors?

    Oh, and would someone please send me a dollar for every time "hypocrite" is used as a slam on this board? I need to replenish my 401-K...

  • Some people...
    March 3, 2009 5:40 p.m.

    For all of you, using this as any pathetic attempt to attack the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, get real. As someone already clearly stated, this was only where there were low LDS populations. This only proves that people ARE in fact living what they are supposed to.
    Let's try some constructive criticisms next time. I don't recall too many people suggesting plans on how we can lower that awfully high rate...

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 5:27 p.m.

    haha awesome! Utah is EXPOSED

  • Sad Story
    March 3, 2009 5:18 p.m.

    I agree this story is sad, It not good to be #1! However, journalism is always misleading. Here is an example. ( A Sevier County zip code is listed in the story. This zip code is for a town named Sevier in Sevier County. This town has at the most 20 houses. So, it made the list of zip codes with the highest percentage of subscriptions, maybe all 20 houses have subscriptions, or maybe it is just one house. Maybe if it is just one house he is LDS or maybe he is not. (Or she) sorry I made that assumption. Is this an LDS problem? or is it a problem of the LDS opposition living in Utah? Assumptions??? Is the LDS church causing this with it's teachings? You know the repressing sexuality theory. Or are those individuals responsible for there behavior? Journalism? or social engineering?

  • no one
    March 3, 2009 5:12 p.m.

    should look at Porn Mormons,catholicsm bhuddists! These posts by crazy utards is hilarious. Please stop with you sheltered comments about how the church is better outside of utah dn that you now live in california or whatever. I live in corona calfornia and lived in provo while in college and there are hyprocrites where you go. That comment about the church is better is stupid and ignorant so go back to utah with that attitude.

  • kiwi
    March 3, 2009 5:09 p.m.

    Anyone notice that the highest rate in the highest state was in the zip code surrounding the University of Utah? I'm not suggesting anything, just pointing out a fact... Quit dinking around and get to class! The Utes truly are #1 in spite of the BCS. Also, if I understood the data, Utah is not #1 per capita, but rather #1 per household. Since the average household in Utah has twice as many people in it, does that mean the problem is only half as big as it looks? :o) Last, but not least, if the trib threads are any indicator, porn use is pretty common among mo-haters. Heck, some of them probably subscribe to multiple sites and cover the quota for a couple thousand households all by themselves. When porn is less accessible through adult entertainment stores, video stores, and on news stands, people access it via the internet. When I lived in Chile, practically every newspaper had a naked woman on the front cover. For that and other reasons, I'll bet their subscription rate is considerably lower than our national average - but their porn issues are much more serious. Porn is a problem everywhere!

  • Richard
    March 3, 2009 5:01 p.m.

    I am not surprised by all the all comments that the LDS people are making trying to explain why this article is wrong.
    Face it conservatives, you are the biggest Hippocrates in the world, everyone knows it and the sooner that you face the fact you will be able to help yourselves.

    How embarrassing for the "traditional family" that these high porn states try to defend. I for one would prefer a non- traditional family with morals and values then one of these fake conservative/LDS hypercritical families. Just what are they trying to protect? They are the whole problem.

  • mark
    March 3, 2009 4:59 p.m.

    @@mark
    I'm a freelance artist and set my own work schedule. When I design Superdome-size projects a few of them annually keep me very comfortable.

    @mark what do you do for a job, since you want to know mine?

  • realitycheck
    March 3, 2009 4:58 p.m.

    face the facts, mormons. you're hypocrites - capping on gays while surfing the porn istes.

    perhaps if you weren't so miserable in your petty little lives, you wouldn't try to bring everyone else down too.

  • An Observer
    March 3, 2009 4:55 p.m.

    ONline is only place in that NON-MORMONS can get porn.

    There is absolutely no reason to assume mormons are accessing porn any more than anyone else in utah.

    This survey does NOT say WHO is accessing the porn.

    But of course NON-mormons and ANTI-mormons love think the worst of mormons.

    And mormons outside of Utah love to think they are better when they are really no different.

    All this survey proves is that if someone can't get it at a store they will find porn somewhere else.

    NOTHING ELSE CAN BE CONCLUDED!

  • would never lie to us
    March 3, 2009 4:51 p.m.

    "Utahans who subscribe to the porn service Edelman analyzes is less than 5,000--quite a small number on which to conclude that the place is full of moralistic deviants."****************************************

    How dare you question a professor from Harvard?!?!

    President Hopenchange is a Harvard graduate.

  • @mark
    March 3, 2009 4:37 p.m.

    I have been reading a few articles and posts and see your name everywhere. I was wondering "Do you actually have a job?"

  • Dave
    March 3, 2009 4:31 p.m.

    Where you and I see naked bodies, legislators see a new "revenue stream". Don't tell legislators how many Utahns like it, they'll probably figure a way to tax it!

  • Rick
    March 3, 2009 4:28 p.m.

    Having lived 25 years in Utah, and 25 years out of Utah...there is only draw one conclusion:
    Utah - [Mormons and non-Mormons alike] is a collection of extremes.
    A state full of - See what I've got and what you've not.

    Whether it's:
    55 or 95 on the freeways.
    Flaming-in-your-face-Gay or a Homo-phobe.
    Saint or Sinner
    Everything seems to be in the opposite extremes.

    I live in Seattle,
    I couldn't tell you who is or is not anything.
    Mormon / non-Mormon
    Gay / straight

    Maybe I'm to simple to believe that,
    We're all sinners and we're all going to hell.
    No one escapes it.
    And just like the sinking of the Titanic,
    we'll all drown eventually.

    There is only one salvation,
    and I rejoice in accepting Jesus the Christ as Lord and Savior of the Universe.
    So, Yes, I'd gladly give my life preserver to my friends. Isn't that what sharing the Gospel is supposed to be?

  • mark
    March 3, 2009 4:03 p.m.

    @ anonymous
    "at least we are sober'
    Really, that is the biggest lie about Utah you've ever tried to sell. Your repressive private clubs don't stop a single alcoholic, and probably making it a taboo, makes it MORE popular. I learned to drink with my Mormon cousins, I've been in my uncles home when a brethren drops by and ashtrays and beer bottles fly under couches like a RAID.
    Even though the room smelled like a brewery on fire, every one plays along with the charade.
    Porn is the same thing, you make it TABOO, and it is even MORE POPULAR.

  • A new law
    March 3, 2009 3:57 p.m.

    Someone tell Buttars.

  • CB
    March 3, 2009 3:52 p.m.

    After scanning all prior remarks, might I caution, don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see. Wouldn't this world be wonderful if we all could learn to Repent and Forgive.

  • mark
    March 3, 2009 3:33 p.m.

    btw if you mistakenly believe porn is only marketed to men, I would point out the sanitized and women marketed porn on Cable channels. Also in the Bible Belt of the South, the pay per view channels which once had first run major movies, are now 95% porn, and so embarrassingly putrid titles, I wouldn't even want a kid to scan the names.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 3:26 p.m.

    Whether these people are mormon or not, watch your kids every minute. Keep your eye on them when they are in the back yard and don't let them walk down to the convenience store alone.

  • One more for the road
    March 3, 2009 3:26 p.m.

    Wissen up Utah! You people continually pull the wool over your own eyes. And everyone on earth knows that sex is the biggest part of your LDS culture.

  • Lots of Bad Press for Us
    March 3, 2009 3:25 p.m.

    All the Prop 8 Furor, Chris Buttars, Now this. Who says Utah flies under the Headlines, and what happens in Utah, stays in Utah? Not anymore.

  • Boing
    March 3, 2009 3:25 p.m.

    WHO NEEDS THE BCS! WE"RE #1

  • @Mormon Bishop from Cpt Kirk
    March 3, 2009 3:23 p.m.

    I agree with your primary concern.
    Those who counsel with others know there is a problem and for each individual addicted to porn it is a big problem.

    My point is that we don't need a message of lies and distortions that blares
    "UTAH IS #1 IN PORN SUBSCRIPTIONS"
    This is just bad journalism and does not help anyone and hurts the reputation of everyone who lives here.

    I'm not trying to downplay any real problems .. I'm just denouncing dishonesty of thus article.

  • Tyler
    March 3, 2009 3:17 p.m.

    Do the math people! Even if we have more hypocrites, we only have 2 more per every 1000 people than other states! And last time I checked, we had a lot more than 5 in every 1000 people that DON'T go to any church on Sunday...

  • Concerned
    March 3, 2009 3:01 p.m.

    I wish there were more focus in the media on the harm done to women in and through porn. I think the focus of our discussions about pornography is too often limited to the question of religious morality.
    In the U.S., study after study has shown that many women in porn were sexually abused as children,are drug-addicted, or are coerced by pimps. ALL people need to stand up for women and girls by standing against pornography, which depicts women as less than human objects who exist solely to sexually service men. Let's end the shallow debate about whether pornography is moral or immoral, only in the strict, religious sense of the word. There is so much more at stake here.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 3:01 p.m.

    Hey, at least we're sober.

  • Spencer
    March 3, 2009 3:00 p.m.

    Anyone notice that the only high porn zip code in Salt Lake County is the University of Utah?

    The others are little podunk communities where the men are lonely miners etc.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 2:57 p.m.

    And the claims that this is a conspiracy against UT and Mormons begins in 3, 2, 1....

    So many whiny victims on this message board that think the world is out to destroy the church.

    Personally, the results are not surprising at all. Sad, but not surprising.

  • Honest Mormon
    March 3, 2009 2:56 p.m.

    It would be nice if mormons tried being honest with themselves and everyone else for a change! You know your husbands are sneeking around looking at porno! They use to have to go out of town to buy it so no one would recognize them in the stores. Now they just have to go online!
    We use to have our cub scouts clean up the roads leading into our pre-dominate mormon neighborhoods until we discovered they were picking up more playboys than fast food litter! We came to the conclusion that all the men from our neighborhood were chucking their magazines out the car windows before they got home so their wives wouldn't see that they had bought them again!

  • Edelman is Bogus!
    March 3, 2009 2:55 p.m.

    Kudos to the poster who caught Edelman's reference to the non-existent Forrester Research that erroneously reported that pornography is a $12B business in America and therefore should be considered "mainstream". Forbes wrote an article in 2001 exposing this MYTH.

    So what should we do? Abandon our "repressive" stance on pornography? Why? Because 5 people in a zip code with a population of 50 (even at the height of the tourist season) look at porn? So what?

    Should we overlook the fact that the distinguished professor Edelman cites a BOGUS REPORT that hyped a number promoted by no less a reliable source than the AVN ~ the Adult Video Network? And should we, YET AGAIN, be intimidated by his HARVARD credentials and take him at face value?

    Hey, stupid Utahns, stop trying to cozy up to the Eastern Establishment. They HATE you because your bouergois values get in the way of their drug use and kinky sex. WAKE UP and stop being suckered in by the IVY LEAGUERS WHO openly and obviously LIE!!They want nothing less than TO DESTROY YOU!!! Stop making excuses for them, and stop being impressed by HARVARD.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 2:54 p.m.

    Anonymous | 9:30 a.m. March 3, 2009

    re: LIES | 8:57 a.m. March 3, 2009
    >>OOOOh a study from a University who teaches global warming, and liberalism. I'm sure this study is on the up and up.

    Harvard has zero credibility on social issues.

  • @ Mark from Captain Kirk
    March 3, 2009 2:51 p.m.

    I don't know too many utahns who are sexually repressed. Yes we have stardards. We believe in abstinence before marriage and fidelity after marriage.

    All things that are time tested standards of sucessful societies.

    But you know what. We get married and have healthy sex lives.

    You suppose that if a person is counselled not to go to strip bars, have multiple partners, or look at porn that they are repressed.

    I would suggest that those who look at porn and go to strip bars are probably more sexually frustrated than the average married man.

    I thought that having a Home, Wife & Kids was still what the average guy really wants. Everything else is just a poor substitute.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 2:46 p.m.

    good!!! maybe now we can get porn in stores!!! that would be nice no more viras!!! but and after that lets get better beer, gambling and lets strat having fun in this state!

  • Bull dozer
    March 3, 2009 2:29 p.m.

    Utah has had moral issues since 1847--so what's new?

  • Interesting Specific...
    March 3, 2009 2:28 p.m.

    "...and adjusted his data accordingly;"

    I am sure that this adjustment was strictly above board. I am certain that professor EDELMAN of HARVARD university does not have ANY ulterior motive whatsoever or in any way is he POLITICALLY influenced to skew data to find those so called "Red Light States".

    In fact, I think that the argument that conservatives are repressed hypocrites is a BRAND NEW INSIGHT? Isn't it? You know what we bible-bashing hypocrites always say, "If politicians are liars, then statisticians are d-mn liars!" But I am probably just repressed.

  • Mormon Bishop
    March 3, 2009 2:26 p.m.

    The study does not tell us everything, but it tells us something - that there are a relatively large number of Utahans viewing pornography online and paying for it. I don't have a statistical study to prove my feelings about pornography. My primary concern is for members who tell me that they want to quit viewing porn but time after time they give in to temptation and "fall off the wagon" so to speak. I firmly believe that pornography has an addictive element and is causing harm to our society. While it may be embarrassing to have our transgressions exposed, we should not "shoot the messenger" but evaluate why the author found the data that he found and do something to lower the viewing rate in our state.

  • To Alex from Captain Kirk
    March 3, 2009 2:21 p.m.

    I never said poronography is not a problem in Utah.
    It is a problem everywhere.
    It is a problem among LDS and Non-LDS.
    It is the part of the natural man to desire it.

    I doubt that porn is a bigger problem in Utah than anywhere else.
    I suspect that it is less of a problem with active LDS people and others who try to live by specific moral standards... not because they are better ... but because they have personal reasons to not view it.

    Many fail but many succeed.

    The stats presented in this article don't help me prove or disprove my theory.

    These stats don't even take into account all the free stuff that is more likey to be viewed by those doing it in secret and by young men.

    All I said is the data presented in the article is meaningless. It is hyped-up data to create headlines.

    It got a lot of people to read the article and post stupid comments like the one I'm writing now.
    :)

  • Read the Study...
    March 3, 2009 2:16 p.m.

    From Edelman's study:
    "...my analysis of subscription patterns to online adult entertainment websites could suffer from reverse causation: That is, interest in adult entertainment could cause users to obtain broadband Internet access, whereas my analysis takes broadband access as given. If users obtain broadband to improve their ability to access adult entertainment, regression estimates would be biased towards zero. Thus, to the extent that my analysis yields correlations that appear to be statistically significant, reverse causation does not taint the significance of the estimates..."
    As the Wall Street Journal says, Edelman's idea that reverse causation doesn't taint his study assumes "the tendency to get broadband in order to get porn, rather than for other reasons is evenly distributed across states. But it seems quite plausible that in states where retail porn is harder to get, a greater number of consumers get broadband in order to get porn. Since the numerator (porn subscribers) is much smaller than the denominator (broadband users), this effect would have a much more pronounced effect on the numerator, and therefore on the differences in rates among states." The first line of the study says internet porn use varies little around the country.

  • Alex
    March 3, 2009 2:14 p.m.

    Let's take a look at ourselves | 1:25 p.m. March 3, 2009:

    "Folks, what is the first thing we do when we are caught doing something bad? We become defensive and rationalize that we are not doing it. We are too proud of admiting that we are guilty of the offense. Instead of doing that..let's look within the walls of our home and see if there is truth in this study. "

    If you arent doing it, then you arent rationalizing. You are just trying to make sense of the data.

    My family and I keep the guidelines given by the brethren, the Spirit and the Scriptures, and we have kept safe. There is nothing proud or self-righteous about that. We have obeyed and have been blessed and protected by the Lord. The Spirit is in our home. No guilt. You either use pornography or you don't. You either use safeguards to protect and check pornography from getting into your home or you don't. There is no we.

    So, yes, this conflicts with the actual reality of our home.

  • Fredd
    March 3, 2009 2:10 p.m.

    Lots of articles recently on porn "addiction". Are Utohnians using a little hyperbole? Honestly. If a guy looks at porn online once a month would you call that an addiction? I mean if your paying for porn that would indicate something since from what I've seen there is more free stuff out there then I care to look at.

  • Sex Sells
    March 3, 2009 2:10 p.m.

    Isn't that the point, that America has a problem. I do not think this article/study is meant to disgrace a religion or a people. It should be a wake up call to say pornography is a strong, evil addiction that is consuming America in many ways, from Utah to TimBucToo. Do you have a problem with any form of pornography? If so get help. Learn to fight it.

    Too many posters on here, especially the ones anxious to point a mocking finger, do not even think pornography is bad. Most consume it daily. Turn from it. Put it in your past. Get over it. It is creating societal problems nationwide. And yes, it even effects some of the very elite. Let's all collectively and individually find ways to insulate ourselves from it or to have a change of heart so that it has no power to tempt us, and then to destroy us. We can overcome it.

  • C.W.
    March 3, 2009 1:53 p.m.

    I see a "Porn Tax" on the horizon!! The bill will arrive in a "plain brown wrapper" courtesy of State of Utah.

  • Just wondering
    March 3, 2009 1:51 p.m.

    why anyone would pay for porn? There is so much free porn on the internet, it would take years to view it all.

  • mark
    March 3, 2009 1:44 p.m.

    It's a simple cause and effect, the MORE you repress all things sexual, the KINKIER the population becomes.
    Victorians who thought it SHOCKING to see a woman's ankles, fueled the most BIZARRE Paris porno post cards. The renewed sexual repression of the 1950's, made the Playboy magazine an EMPIRE, and made S and M pin up models the most popular in the country. Utah made their own bed, (so to speak)...now lay in it.

  • magnus
    March 3, 2009 1:43 p.m.

    Any time there is an issue like this non-LDS point the finger at the LDS folks. It's childish, really, grow up.

    The article makes some very good points in general...

    It pointed out that internet porn supscriptions are generally higher in areas with stricter porn laws, not just those crazy Mormon Utah.

    Wait so, what you're saying is that people who can't just go to an adult book store and get porn tend to pay for it on the internet at a higher rate, NO! REALLY? I'm not sure if I can beleive that...how much did he get paid for this study?

    Also, did anyone else notice that the areas with the highest rate of subscriptions are either not majority mormon (Hello Downtown, West Jordan, and San Juan County) or are sparsely populated rural counties with no other access to pornography.

    Second, the total rate of subscriptions was below 6 percent. About 60% of Utah is Mormon and about half of those actually live and practice their religion. So what percentage of the 6% who have subscriptions do you think are practicing (going to church every week) Mormons? Bet its under 5.

  • Logical, Captain Kirk
    March 3, 2009 1:41 p.m.

    Yep, the deep blue Obama-loving University of Utah is downloading all the pron in the state. Whod'a thunk?

    Now, if it were the area around BYU that was leading the state in pron downloads, you'd have an argument for hypocrisy.

    But this is just the natural reaction of non-Mormon students who live in a state that outlaws XXX pron.

  • whoops
    March 3, 2009 1:38 p.m.

    It's dalmer not palmer and even then I think I was refering to Ted Bundy....can't get those serial killers straight....

  • Alex
    March 3, 2009 1:38 p.m.

    Captain Kirk:

    "Give me a break. This data means nothing.

    Someone just wanted to have a good headline."

    I understand your meaning, but I wouldn't go as far as to say the data means nothing. It just may not factor in enough information to give an accurate picture. I would be interested in a study that includes data on other sources of pornography.

    Any way you slice it, the bottom line is, Mormon or non-Mormon, pornography is not good for anyone. It is likely that the brethren will continue to sound the warning, like they have in the past. Like you, I definitely want the truth, but I don't want to buy a bad bill of goods.

  • to Captain Kirk
    March 3, 2009 1:30 p.m.

    Then why is it a constant topic in PM and bishop's interviews and has been all along and well before this survey was published?

  • Figures Lie and Liars Figgure
    March 3, 2009 1:28 p.m.

    I just don't believe this story. Doesn't ring true to me at all. I agree with earlier writer that this appears to be a contrived story in order to get a headline and get back at Mormons for Prop 8. The methodology (using zip codes) compared to population is a bit murky. Why don't they give total numbers? Like, X number of subscribers in Utah versus X number in Minnesota, and there's the overall percentage? Too straight forward, huh? They had to go through those statistical contortions in order to come out with their desired conclusion...

  • RE: RE: M and M
    March 3, 2009 1:28 p.m.

    Porn destroys lives the same as any addiction and then some. First, it destroys your life by taking you away from doing anything productive. Slowly it captures your interest (like drugs) until you can't think of anything else except that. Jeffrey Palmer started out with soft porn and wanted more stimulus in his life. Secondly, it skews your ability to think, rationalize and judge things around you and how others are thinking. You socialize with others with the same thought process and think everyone else thinks the same as you. This leads to harassment in the workplace and loss of friends who don't want to be part of it. Thirdly, you act on your fantasies and ruin a perfectly good marraige/relationship, loose the trust of your children and peers and degrade yourself to nothing more than a person with no will power to accomplish anything useful. The thing is, it is a slow process that happens over time which results are not seen immediately.

  • observer
    March 3, 2009 1:25 p.m.

    It's a multi-billion dollar industry. If we knew everyone who was accessing porn on their pc, it'd turn our hair white. Assuming we still have hair...

  • Let's take a look at ourselves
    March 3, 2009 1:25 p.m.

    Folks, what is the first thing we do when we are caught doing something bad? We become defensive and rationalize that we are not doing it. We are too proud of admiting that we are guilty of the offense. Instead of doing that..let's look within the walls of our home and see if there is truth in this study. Let's read and ponder these comments and see if we can make the mighty change to be better people of this State. just my 2 cents....

  • Captain Kirk
    March 3, 2009 1:19 p.m.

    I looked up the zip codes and 3 of the 4 counties have populations between 8,000 and 20,000 (a total combined population of around 40,000 people)
    and are in the middle of nowhere. Not very representative of the state as a whole.

    The 2 Salt Lake County zip codes are for the Univeristy of Utah and The Copper Mine Area.

    Give me a break. This data means nothing.

    Someone just wanted to have a good headline.

  • Check this out on Ben Edelman...
    March 3, 2009 1:18 p.m.

    Harvard's Benjamin Edelman latest to be suckered by AVN's $12B/year Figure 2/25/09.

  • McKay
    March 3, 2009 1:13 p.m.

    We should all try and settle this out by the flag pole, that would be a lot of fun.

  • Otis Spurlock
    March 3, 2009 1:10 p.m.

    Wow! Utah has some real issues they need to deal with: bankruptcy, depression, suicide, mortgage fraud, and now, porn.

    This is the place!!

  • Wonder
    March 3, 2009 1:08 p.m.

    A few years ago, Utah was number one state (if not in the top three) for the number of homes/families with computers ( # per 1000 I think), along with Internet connections. I wonder if this was a factor. Surveys are almost always ambiguous vague and imprecise.

    In fact I just found an article titled: Utah No. 1 in homes with computers - By Stephen Ohlemacher Associated Press and By Deborah Bulkeley - Deseret Morning News (Published: Monday, Oct. 31, 2005)

    The opening paragraph reads: Nearly three in four Utah households own a computer, a higher percentage than in any other state, according to a new census report. (Deseret News should ask a question based on this finding.)

    Now, Im sure that has a direct relevance to the study. But since Utah may have been bypassed by other states now, I therefore wonder how current the data from which the conclusions were drawn - one or two years old?

    Anyhow, there seems to be an apparent link between being technology savvy and porn access among Utahns. Look for a specific address in Gen Conference on this subject, as has been in the past.

  • Shannon S Dastrup
    March 3, 2009 1:07 p.m.

    Well, it looks like these don't post automatically. I owe this paper an oppology. I am truely sorry. I had a much better comment written, and was editing it. When I tried to backspace out a word, it deleted my entire comment. Just know this, it had to do with celibacy, and being true to yourself.

  • Keecko
    March 3, 2009 1:03 p.m.

    Who pays for porn anymore? And what married LDS man (cause that is who you are all pointing your fingers at) pays for porn and gets away with it? And what LDS wife is stupid enough believe that her husband has a subscription charge each month for Men's Health, Bowhunting, or whatever else he can think of. My point is that this is not a surprising statistic. Rather than point your fingers at the LDS people, why not look the non LDS folk who moved here from out of state (ie, California, Nevada) and need their porn fix and have no where to get but from online subscriptions.

  • Gavacho13
    March 3, 2009 1:00 p.m.

    Wow. Sad. Really sad

  • RE: M and M
    March 3, 2009 12:58 p.m.

    Please explain how porn ruins people's lives, is addictive, or deserves to be outlawed. I believe a free person has the right to behave as he chooses, so long as he does not infringe on anyone. No matter how much porn anyone looks at, it does not affect you in any way. That is, unless you choose it.

    Porn gets a "free pass" because of that pesky free agency thing that Jesus kept pushing.

  • Re: SJ
    March 3, 2009 12:54 p.m.

    I was just trying to say the Gentile excuse was flawed...

  • RE: Hmm...
    March 3, 2009 12:50 p.m.

    Pornography is prevalent and becoming more so. We need to be vigilant

    Some are quick to judge. Additions are addictions. Everyone has them to one degree or another. We need to find ways to help others overcome their addictions.

    I believe we should:
    -Require porn companies to register domain of .prn.
    -require age limits to access to any .prn website.

    Porn is multi billion dollar a year machine. Addicts make it a very lucrative business. Pornographers do not care about the families it destroys nor the heartache coming out of all of this. It is designed to put money into the pockets of its producers.

    My view is that pornographers will be held accountable before God for their actions.

  • Study Results
    March 3, 2009 12:43 p.m.

    The Results of the study were that Utahn's buy more pornography online. Not Mormons buy more pornography online. Don't get the two confused. I don't know why so many people think Utahn = Mormon, that just isn't as true as it used to be. Not everyone living in Utah is an active LDS person. In fact many are anti and have the disease of spiritual apathy or people who were offended. Let's not jump to conclusions that it is the LDS' falt.

  • Shannon S Dastrup
    March 3, 2009 12:41 p.m.

    I was born, and raised here in Utah my entire life. I am a morman woman who has lost her way, and has admitted that in The Tribune. Did you know that the Tribune has started sensering my comments. Not only there, but here as well. I posted 2 comments prior to this one, and they deleted them.

    They said Why can't these people go, and spam the Tribune with their out of state, bad, rude, religion hating comments. Also, that I have deleted the Link to The Tribune off of my compter favorite places. I will only read this newspaper. This is a Morman Paper, and if those of you don't like this faith, don't read our paper. Go to the Tribune.

    This paper is printed by the Tribune, but is not owned by The Tribune. That is why the wonderful man is coming here from California to stop this from happening.

    BTW, my ex is watching me type this in, and if it doesn't post to here then send me a restraining order to my doorstep to not post here anymore.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 12:38 p.m.

    Utahns love to think they are better than the rest of the country, but do things in secret that show they are not any different at all. I left Utah, in part, because of the raging hypocrisy in business, politics and personal dealings. I really expected more, but was disappointed.

  • Lemur
    March 3, 2009 12:36 p.m.

    Utah is on the decline.

  • OH SNAP!
    March 3, 2009 12:32 p.m.

    Looks like We're all busted! I'll bet more than 50% of the men in my Ward look at porn on a monthly basis. It is the most prevalent reason that keep men from attending the Temple. Any Bishop will tell you how widespread pornography in the Church is. Porn is mentioned in EVERY general Priesthood meeting. It is the bane of our existence men. It will always be a temptation.

  • Shannon S Dastrup
    March 3, 2009 12:31 p.m.

    By the way, I have deleted my link to the Tribune, and will not be posting anything there anymore. This may be printed by the Tribune, but is a Sererate Newspaper. You may work there, but not for long.

  • Shannon S Dastrup
    March 3, 2009 12:30 p.m.

    Hey you comment spammers that ridicule the Morman Faith. Go back to the tribune and slander the Morman Faith in the Tribune. We don't want you here to begin with. Take it to the Trib. This paper will take action, if you know what I mean.

  • M&M
    March 3, 2009 12:22 p.m.

    It doesn't matter were you live, or your religion, Porn is addictive and dangerous. Like illegal druges, It continues to ruin the lives of those who participate in viewing it and their families. It sad that people / governments are so concerned about keeping our bodies healthy by regulating/restrictions foods, meds, etc. Yet when it comes to the healhty minds and families, in the name of "free speach" Porn gets a free pass.... continues to spread like a wild fire consuming everything in it's path.

    We have the knowledge of it's destruction, but we do we have the wisdom to do anything about it?



  • Bender Rodriguez
    March 3, 2009 12:01 p.m.

    It's everywhere | 11:27 a.m. March 3, 2009

    >>Who needs the internet to see women degrade themselves to please men? Just watch TV.

  • We're #!
    March 3, 2009 11:42 a.m.

    Never mind the BCS, we made it after all.

  • Sneaky snake
    March 3, 2009 11:30 a.m.

    When your husband stays up late nights or for that matter your wife, after you have gone to bed, maybe you should sneak in and see whats going on, on your family computer behind close doors.

  • Random Commenter
    March 3, 2009 11:29 a.m.

    Those of you who say that this lacks inferential statistics are operating on the assumption that the study worked on a -sample- of billing data. To me, the context of the article seems to indicate that all the data were used, i.e., a population--and there are no inferential statistics in population based studies. With a population based study, all you can do is report what was found. If the rate in one state is higher than it is in another, then that's how it is.

    However, I'm not willing to attach myself to that interpretation until I can read the research article. I have it ordered on interlibrary loan, so it should be here in a few days.

    But after reading this article, I don't have any trouble believing that online subscription rates are higher in Utah than in other states. That prompts me to ask one question: "so what?"

    But that's just the interpretation of a guy with an MS in statistics.

  • SJ
    March 3, 2009 11:29 a.m.

    re: Nyal D

    No it's not logically consistent. Your looking at one aspect and not the whole picture. Utah's computer usage is tops in the nation and it's porn laws are strictist in the nation. More computers and less retail access to porn. Of course the number is highest in the nation in on-line porn.
    If you consider ALL sources, then Utah wouldn't be the highest. But then again, ignorant people don't investigate when they hear something that sounds good to them. They go with it to the point where everyone can see their foolishness except for them.

  • It's everywhere
    March 3, 2009 11:27 a.m.

    Who needs the internet to see women degrade themselves to please men? Just watch TV.

  • How about stats on comments made
    March 3, 2009 11:27 a.m.

    One evident truth is that porn is neither good nor accepted, whatever stance the commentary here takes. Comments from people here fit people into one of four groups (Disclaimer: Regardless of whether they be Mormon, another religion, or of no religion at all, from Utah, or anywhere else makes no difference in my findings):

    1) Few are good people who know and accept that they need to try to do their best no matter the circumstance, to live according to the truths that they know (ie-not viewing porn).

    2) Some people are hypocrites. We all have conscience enough to know deep down when something is not good, so those who do evil anyway are hypocrites, but only if they preach to others against said sin.

    3) Some people wallow in sin. The only reason these aren't hypocrites is because they don't profess to be clean, but rolling in the mud with pigs still makes you one, and the worst person to be untrue to is yourself.

    4) Many people falsely accuse. Ironically, they justify it while claiming superiority to the people they have stereotyped, thereby claiming their own hypocritical status instead. They are what they despise.

  • Anonymouse
    March 3, 2009 11:24 a.m.

    Don't knock research until you've had the chance to actually read it. How many of you have actually read it before assuming it was biased? Really!

    If this study says anything at face value, it's that Utahns by and large are too dumb to find good porn for free.

  • All we know now is...
    March 3, 2009 11:09 a.m.

    I imagine nobody will read this since there are so many comments already, but all this study tells us with any real accuracy is that in states where it is harder to buy porn from stores, people are more likely to buy it online. No big news story there.

  • nom
    March 3, 2009 11:03 a.m.

    So out of a 1000 internet connections 5 in utah subscribe to porn. Does that really say anything about the state. You're describing one half of one percent. So most states have one third of one percent. Those numbers can easily be attributed to porn addicts in Utah prefering online over buying it at the store, because you can't get it at the store.

  • Bill
    March 3, 2009 10:57 a.m.

    Porn is a problem throughout the United States. It is a problem whereever you go. It doesn't mean that only LDS are looking at it, nor does it mean only non-LDS are looking at it. What it means is that it is greater in Utah and other states where the statistician has used his data based on his own findings.

    Every statistician can take a study and make it work regardless how it actually is to prove a point.

    If I walked into all the Wards in a particular stake in Utah and then went to a stake in say Nebraska, South Dakota, Idaho, Wyoming and I stated that all of the majority of the members in the Church are white. Technically I would be right. However, if I went to say Texas, Mississippi, Alabama and others I would say that the membership is diverse.

    Which is correct? Both are.

    That is the way it is. Utah is basically 70-30 LDS from what my understanding is. However, Salt Lake City is the other way around. Either way you slice it members of the Church are into porn. We all need to rid ourselves of this.

  • Parkite
    March 3, 2009 10:54 a.m.

    The author of the study (along with the ACLU) sued and lost a lawsuit in 2002 that attempted to remove censorware software from school computers that filters out gay, lesbian, and transgender websites.

    His study is likely biased.

  • Brandon
    March 3, 2009 10:52 a.m.

    Maybe before you fly off the handle trying to meddle in another state's government's decisions regarding their morals and spewing hateful invective, YOU COULD START IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD! ...for a change

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 10:41 a.m.

    What's with you people in Utah? Polygamy is ok, porn is okay, but no caffeine! Although many Mormons I know guzzle coke and red bull just as they do porn sites.

  • Nyal D
    March 3, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    Is this logically consistent:

    Fact 1: Utah ranks first in online porn subscriptions.

    Fact 2: The other 49 states have non-member majorities.

    Excuse for Fact 1: The numbers in Utah are affected by the non-members in a few bad areas.

    Wow, Utah non-members buy porn in GREATER numbers than non-members everywhere else in the country!


  • Re: Junk analysis
    March 3, 2009 10:38 a.m.

    To follow up on the observation from the Wall Street Journal, I wonder if all of the states nationwide had Utah's pornography access laws, what the per capita numbers would be for other states. Even in Utah, while those are not numbers to be proud of, I would suspect that a pretty small fraction of that 1.69 would be attibuted to temple recommend carrying members of the LDS Church and their kids.

  • Interesting
    March 3, 2009 10:34 a.m.

    I don't know about all of the counties listed but Salt Lake county which has 2 of the zip codes listed. Has a much lower percentage of LDS people than most of the state. So much for the idea that it is just hypocritical mormons. The problem with stats is that most people don't bother to really find out what they mean. They just want to use them to prove themselves right. If you think I am wrong you have not been reading these posts.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 10:33 a.m.

    Ok people on here who are talking about statistics classes and everything just sound ignorant. This wasnt published in a peer reviewed magazine. It was in a newspaper. Get a life stop being embarrased you buy so much porn.

  • george
    March 3, 2009 10:33 a.m.

    Interesting statistic. And here we have mormons who condemn that "perverted" gay-life style and yet these same mormons obviously see nothing wrong with porn. I guess as long is it is straight, then it must be ok.

  • Merv
    March 3, 2009 10:27 a.m.

    I think it is time to investigate the LDS members and do a massive excommunication.

  • Ed
    March 3, 2009 10:26 a.m.

    Aren't we also above the national average in sexual assault/abuse?

  • Hypocrisy?
    March 3, 2009 10:24 a.m.

    It is NOT hypocritical to try to live a high standard and fail, then try again, and again, and again, and eventually succeed. The whole point of weaknesses is to keep us humble enough to try again. I've lived long enough to overcome a number of weaknesses--inlcuding pornography addiction--and find that, hiding behind the big weaknesses are smaller ones that also need attending to. Hopefully, before I die, I will be working on weaknesses so small that only I know about them!

    I believe the use of porn stems from human nature, not from our chosen creed--unless that creed is one of degredation. And hence, I don't believe it is a Mormon/non-Mormon issue, but a human issue.

    I dont believe MOST Mormons wear their religion on their sleeves. MOST Mormons will not accept even polite invitations to go to the sports bar, etc. These "turn-downs" can be misinterpreted as "put-downs," and hence the mis-belief that Mormons have a "holier than thou" attitude.

  • The real k9
    March 3, 2009 10:22 a.m.

    whom ever you are posting advice to K9 my mom has been dead for 8 years if you want to say something to me don't use my handle and for your information I am very comfortable with my sexual orientation are you? and I don't subsribe to any porn sites. Sounds like you do though. If my comments on the hypcrocy of the LDS church offended you, good !!! I think I saw you in Mesquite having a drink.

  • Travis
    March 3, 2009 10:16 a.m.

    This is a Mormon problem. Yes, the statistics are messed up. We do not have availablity to video stores, and certain clubs like in other states.

    I find it hard to believe that even a sneaky mormon would PAY for an online subscription. There is plenty of free stuff out there.

    Is Utah the worst in the US as the article states? No we are not. Should we be disappointed by the number of LDS members viewing pornography? Yes we should.

    Either way, others reading the article don't realize that Utah bans video stores etc...So this article was meant to present misleading facts.

  • Dear "more fuel for the fire"
    March 3, 2009 10:15 a.m.

    Maybe if some Mormons moved out of the state, Utah could normalize.

    Why is "move out of the state" always a solution to any disagreement? The disagreement persists, but you don't have to hear it. That's a mature way to learn to get along.

  • Hot air
    March 3, 2009 10:08 a.m.

    Ok, bottom line, Utah is NOT a Christian state by any means. These people do what they please and then blame god.

  • mirror
    March 3, 2009 10:08 a.m.

    re: GeeBee | 5:48 p.m. March 2, 2009
    Hypocrisy and condiscention...nah, not Geebee

  • MLM chick
    March 3, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    Now, if only some enterprising person in Utah could combine our two great powers--porn and fraudulent MLM pyramids, we would rule the world! Imagine! PornoNoni! Huzzah! It would make those grandiose Las Vegas conventions every year even more relevant!

  • together
    March 3, 2009 10:03 a.m.

    The saddest part of the article is the addiction to porn that many fight daily. People of all religions and backgrounds fight against this evil snare of the devil. Its sad that so many begin finger pointing and blaming instead of taking action to solve the problem. I don't think that Utah's are afraid of sex or are sexually frustrated or pent up as some have stated. We have one of the highest rates of children per family in the nation, which is great. Its sad to see so many take shots at Utah and "Utah Mormons" as well. I am from Arizona but have lived in Utah for 7 years. I came here with many "Utah Mormon" biases and have found that it is a wonderful place to live. I will never move by choice. There is so much good in this state and in its people. Lets not let one article cause us to point fingers and make enemies of each other. Lets take it for what it is and ask the question "Lord, is it I" and then move on and solve the problem together as a state

  • In Denial
    March 3, 2009 10:03 a.m.

    Not surprised by the arguments for the data. Holy Holy Utahn's are trying to justify their naughty behavior by saying the data is inaccurate. Face it, there are perverts in Utah and maybe more than any other state! Yes, your neighbor, husband, son or daughter are looking at porn. If adults would stop pointing fingers at others and focus on themselves,they would realize that we are just human beings and accept that we are sinners.

  • Ute Fan
    March 3, 2009 10:02 a.m.

    84112 is the area code that surrounds the U of U.

  • We're #1
    March 3, 2009 10:01 a.m.

    Thank goodness we don't have gay marriage here or else we'd be even higher in the rankings.

  • Which is it?
    March 3, 2009 9:58 a.m.

    OK, here are a couple of possible theories to explain this. I learned all of these on the message boards:

    1. The LDS Church is hemmorhaging members by the day. So many are leaving, especially in Utah where "everyone knows" what Mormons "really believe." So it is all those who want nothing to do with the church who subscribe to the porn.

    2. Or, maybe it is active LDS members looking at porn. But that's OK, why? Because their church leaders counsel against it, and if Mormons are going against their leaders' counsel, then they are "thinking for themselves." Especially on the Internet, because "everyone knows" Mormons are told not to look at anything other than lds.org

    Yeah, Mormons are "thinking for themselves" and "enlightened" when they support same-sex marriage against the counsel of their leaders but they are "hypocrites" when they look at porn against the counsel of their leaders.

    And of course, there are so many ex-LDS and inactives in Utah ... until a study like this comes out.

    Fortunately LDS leaders do know what "really happens" and address it appropriately. Not like inconsistent anti-Mormonism.

  • Student...
    March 3, 2009 9:55 a.m.

    Did you know that over 40 percent of the state is non-lds, this is not just lds people!!!!

  • Europe is just as healthy as USA
    March 3, 2009 9:47 a.m.

    If getting men not to be obsessed with porn is the goal, then don't make it such a big issue.

    Men like looking at females, thats the way god made us.

    What purpose does it serve to make people feel guilty and shaming people for doing what comes naturally and hurts no one?

    In Europe they have porn on the tv for all to see and even in the churches there are paintings of naked people, men and women. Is there any evidence that we are more mentally healthy than them? That we have any less sex crime than them?

    I'd rather doubt it, given that they accept this natural urge and we are made to feel guilty for looking. Since when is being repressed a healthy thing?

  • Think about it
    March 3, 2009 9:43 a.m.

    Talk about leading the lemmings with the article. And everyone buys it hook, line, and sinker. Think about it...do you really think the same person googles "porn", then googles "Jesus"? Sure I believe Utah could be high in this area per ratio. But I attribute that because other sources of adult material are harder to find. And so it is the same people who would look at this in other states...but they are forced to do it through this media. But assuming that it is all Mormons, or any other religous group, is silly. I think if we were honest with ourselves, we all know the bulk of this is the good ol' boy, bar-going, occasional strip club attending men.

  • Edward
    March 3, 2009 9:43 a.m.

    There better be a big line at the Bishop's office this Sunday!

  • More fuel for the fire
    March 3, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    Just one more reason for people to rip the Church and Utah. I'm not certain, but, did the article mention that it was just Mormons looking at porn?? I do believe that non-Mormons live in Utah. I'm sure jumping to conclusions is just a 'Mormon Thing". All that pent up energy, uptight laws or just being a Utah Mormon are the ONLY contributory factors to our porn rate. Or, maybe Non-Mormons should move out of State, hence deflating out numbers.

  • Jessica
    March 3, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    Maybe it has something to do with air quality. After all, Utah has one of the worst pollution problems in America. Maybe the porn problem is related to our air quality in some way.

  • Look at the numbers
    March 3, 2009 9:37 a.m.

    5 per 1,000 households. Hmmm. That would mean Utah has an online porn subscription rate of .5 percent. 99.5 percent of the population do not subscribe to online porn sites. Utah is about 58 percent LDS. So of course we'll all assume it's the members of the Church. It may be. But it may be buried completely in the 42 percent of the nonmember. Realistically it's probably some of both, but the only real correlation you can make is that online subscriptions go up where access to other forms go down.

  • honest abe
    March 3, 2009 9:35 a.m.

    It's good to know that at least we pay for our porn subscriptions.

    Let's do a study on those that get it downloaded for free.

  • research vs interpretation
    March 3, 2009 9:35 a.m.

    Read the original article. The data are what they are. Subscription information including time of enrollment and zip code on the credit card were analyzed. The author tried to find variables that explained the variation. As written, the analysis avoids social commentary and simply explains what was observed.

    Interpretation regarding social values and its impact on pornography seem to be the media focus, not the focus of the original article. The Utah zip codes seemingly are a follow-up request for more detailed summary information. This is a distraction. Focus on the real content. The specific measurements reported are not biased; we should start to ask what additional measurements need to be considered rather than doubt the data.

    Utah topped the consumption rate when viewed per capita even before the broadband usage was factored in. Broadband exaggerated the effect. I think the most interesting follow-up question is to see if ease (or lack) of local access would explain the remaining variation.

  • My2Cents
    March 3, 2009 9:33 a.m.

    Right On!! Now we are not only number 1 in bankruptcy filings and anti-deppresant use, we are also number 1 in online porn subscriptions.

    I don't think it is a coincidence that Utah has the highest concentration of LDS per capita either.

  • No not San Juan
    March 3, 2009 9:32 a.m.

    NASTY..GONNA HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE MY DAUGHTER!!!

  • Mikey
    March 3, 2009 9:32 a.m.

    HA HA... I find it hilarious that this immediately turns into an argument that the reasons that we have the highest "porn rate" in America is because of all the non mormons. Go ahead and just keep thinking that all mormons are perfect and wonderful and that they would never do anything as horrible as *gasp* look at porn. The Utah mormon bubble is a disgusting little ball of insanity. I feel bad for all of you.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 9:30 a.m.

    re: LIES | 8:57 a.m. March 3, 2009
    >>OOOOh a study from a University who teaches global warming, and liberalism. I'm sure this study is on the up and up.

    Harvard has zero credibility on social issues.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 9:30 a.m.

    I cant believe that ANYONE pays for porn. Its free, why would you pay?

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 9:27 a.m.

    re: Utes #1 | 7:56 a.m. March 3, 2009

    >>84112, hmmmm, isn't that the University of Utah? Have the Utes finally won an uncontested #1 slot?

  • Hypocrites?
    March 3, 2009 9:25 a.m.

    A hypocrite is someone who publicly espouses an ideal or principle, and privately acts against it.

    I publicly believe that tempers should always be controlled, but privately I lose it with my kids far more than I should.

    I also believe that I shouldn't look at a woman lustfully, but I still struggle whenever a beautiful and provocatively dressed woman comes into view.

    In a way, we're all hypocrites, at least those of us who try to be better than we are.

    By the same thinking, Mormons must be the biggest hypocrites of all, because they publicly believe in pretty high standards but privately repeatedly fail to live them, just like we all do.

    Personally, I'd rather set a high standard, fail to meet it and try again and again... than never set the high standard in the first place.

    The only non-hypocrites are:

    1. Jesus
    2. People who lower their standards to the point where they're always lived up to

  • Thank you
    March 3, 2009 9:25 a.m.

    Thank you to those who shared statistical flaws of this study so that I didn't just blindly read this article and jump to conclusions. Grateful when intelligent people share their insight at the expense of being criticized.

  • Charlie from NYC
    March 3, 2009 9:25 a.m.

    1.) People from Utah always end up in studies as the healthist Americans so all those healthy arteries are looking for action!

    2.) The study didn't differentiate between straight and gay porn. Humm. Interesting topic for further study.

    3.) Maybe your internet connections are too fast. The government should legistate dial-up connections only to improve public morals.

  • k9
    March 3, 2009 9:24 a.m.

    Those of you who codemn this article by disecting the statistics by population or zip code are just fooling yourselves !! I have lived in St.George Utah for 14 years and I am proud to say I do not have L.D.S which is a disease of the mind. I have not lived in a town where hypocracy has ran so rampant in my life. The state run liquor stores are in no jepardy of closing soon. I go to Mesquite Neveda to enjoy myself, listening to live bands having a drink and yes gambling but, always in moderation as for the L.D.S. people I have overheard casino employees ask more than once "I thought mormons are not allowed to drink and gamble" the answer is "Oh it's okay sometimes" and usually they are not just drinking, they are drunk. I have witnessed this many times and it's not just a few stray lambs it's staunch crowd of people that go to church every Sunday and are deeply involved in the L.D.S. church I know them personnaly and they try to convert me. Explain this to me.

  • Fredd
    March 3, 2009 9:23 a.m.

    If SLC is so non-Mormon, will you tell your state legislators to stay out of the liquor regulating business in SLC?

  • PDX
    March 3, 2009 9:22 a.m.

    Is anyone challenging the results of this study? I have a funny feeling that this Harvard econ guy has something against Utah and that he openly supported Prop 8.

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 9:22 a.m.

    John Charity Spring | 9:31 p.m. March 2, 2009

    >>we must return to the old fashioned values that made this Country great: morality, modesty, chastity, and respect for others.

  • elliott
    March 3, 2009 9:22 a.m.

    Don't kill the messanger, you hipocrit, porn consumers. Next time you judge someone or proclaim your sanctity just try to remember religion can only satisfy spiritual needs.

  • David O
    March 3, 2009 9:18 a.m.

    Certain morality police will now have more excuses to ignore their other home schooled children to combat this #1 rating.

  • K9
    March 3, 2009 9:18 a.m.

    FYI, we have tried a number of web filtering services (Net Nanny, McAfee Privacy, etc.) and have been disappointed (teenagers found ways around them, or they locked up and caused problems, etc.) until we found K9 by Blue Coat.

    It works INCREDIBLY well, and it's TOTALLY FREE. It works in a different way than the others do, it's faster, stays more current, gives much more control, and even time-of-day restrictions. And it allows you to block any of dozens of categories in addition to porn--alcohol, gambling, even chat rooms.

    One other suggestion... set up an administrative password and have MOM be the only one who knows what it is! Don't even let Dad know, he's often the one secretly giving into temptation!

  • re: LDS Living in CA
    March 3, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    Not all Utah Mormons take the Church for granted. I moved from Utah years ago and have since moved back to Utah. I've experienced good and bad Mormons both in and out of Utah. So rather than being judgemental (since we are taught not to judge others) how about showing a little more compassion for your fellow members, some of which are obviously struggling. Criticism directed to those you call brother and sister is not helpful.

  • State of liars
    March 3, 2009 9:15 a.m.

    Utah is also the denial state. You people deny anything and everything that doesn't suit you. And It wouldn't matter if the truth hit you square between the eyes, you would still tell lies and find a place to hide. Your porn problems are just another thing to cover up.

  • RE: Spin
    March 3, 2009 9:14 a.m.

    Nobody is saying that there aren't mormons who look at porn...what we are saying is that based on the conclusions of this study it is not right to make a blanket statement about Utahns and mormons in general being hypocritical and porn addicts.

  • Yeah
    March 3, 2009 9:14 a.m.

    #1 baby, congratulations. Can't wait to hear people at work say. "aren't you from Utah"

  • RPC
    March 3, 2009 9:11 a.m.

    Privacy --

    Sex isn't considered "bad and evil" in Utah. It's considered sacred by Utah. (Or, at least, a lot of people living in Utah). If you had something that you held sacred, would you want to make it filthy and common?

  • Mark
    March 3, 2009 9:11 a.m.

    Do some Mormon men look at porn? Yes. Are they subscribing to it and paying for it with their credit cards so their wifes can see the charges? I very much doubt it. Why do we have to turn everything into Mormons against non-mormons in this state. Can't we look at a study like this (despite it's political agenda) and say "what can we all do to combat something that is damaging to our society".

  • confession
    March 3, 2009 9:09 a.m.

    I will own up. Living in Utah due to this being where my extended family is and where I could get a job, the majority religion culture drives me crazy so I find relief in having not one, but seventeen porn site subscriptions. I rarely check the sites, but get great satisfaction from knowing this day would come and y'all would get in a dither.

    I consider it money well spent.

    lol

  • OlderThandirt
    March 3, 2009 9:05 a.m.

    Hey Sen. Valentine--why don't U jump on this one and build a wall around the entire state? ADD(was ADS) is #1 here, sugar consumption via ice cream, soda, candy is enormous her. Why not act on some of the things that are everyday "real hits" on the behavior of kids as they grow up. And, if U don't want the little ones to see a liquor bottle--go to another resturant..oh, now that's a novel idea. LOL

  • BC
    March 3, 2009 9:04 a.m.

    Regardless of whether the study is flawed or not, it is definitely a problem, not only in Utah but everywhere--not only with non-LDS church members but with church members as well. Otherwise, the church leaders would not be warning us about it in every general conference. It is the gateway drug, so to speak, of much larger offenses, and we are told that it is even more addictive than drugs. If Utah is high in online porn subscriptions, you can bet it is high, probably even higher in free porn on the Internet, since Utah is the freebie state.

  • Paul
    March 3, 2009 9:03 a.m.

    Utah is always in the news constantly for the most perversion anywhere. Polygamy, porn, child abuse, animal abuse and whatnot. You people need to be taught good human values. God help Utah.. enough of the devil there!

  • drawing conclusions
    March 3, 2009 9:02 a.m.

    I awlays find it interesting when the shouts of "addicted to porn" begin. Many people enjoy so-called porn in responsible fashion just as many from the state travel to Nevada to gamble in responsible fashion or to Idaho to play the lottery in responsible fashion. Regular porn viewing does not equate with addiction.

    People with addictive personalities get addicted to many things that end up have a devastating effect on their lives and the lives of their families be it carbs, prescriptions, alcohol, cigarettes, porn, even exercise. I've never seen a public movement to shut down religion just because a per centage of users take it to an extreme.

    Let's focus on studying the addictive being and work to find solutions/cures rather than picking and choosing which addiction choice to legislate against.

  • Richard
    March 3, 2009 9:01 a.m.

    Did anyone else notice that the researcher took information from a SINGLE top 10 provider of online porn? What kind of cross section is that?

    Judge not that ye be not judged.

  • SteveS
    March 3, 2009 9:01 a.m.

    Man I can't believe all the people who are so intent on poking holes in this study! It seems to me that they are really having trouble coming to terms with the data collected. I've said it already that some of the connections the scholar makes between conservative and religious states and their rate of payment for porn online per capita could be suspect, but please remember that this was a national study of all states, not just Utah, and the same methodologies were used in collecting data from Utah as they were for all other states. Undoubtedly there are lurking variables influencing the data in Utah (such as access to brick-and-mortar porn stores), but those lurking variables and others are influencing the data in all other states as well.

    The fact remains that people (LDS, non-LDS, etc.) are _paying_ for porn online at a greater per capita rate than any other state. Anyone who's been online recently knows how easy it is to access porn for _free_ in great quantities; it's amazing to me that people actually _pay_ for the stuff, especially if they fear being discovered by others.

  • mother of a "son of helaman"
    March 3, 2009 8:58 a.m.

    I live in Northern Utah and found this article very imformative. Instead of jumping on "the defense" let's take a look at our own homes. Check your child's history on your home computer and take care of it. You never know what you might find. Protecting our children from porn is a major trial of the last days. But it is possible.

  • Cool_with_Us
    March 3, 2009 8:58 a.m.

    I personally think that this might be true. I live in Utah so I would no if something was up. I actually no a few people that do watch it.It's a very weird thing to do. To tell you the truth we should DRIVE OUR OWN BUS!
    Not getting into every bodies business. Its the truth, I personally hope that people shouldn't be so dang hyprocritical. But that's just my opinion. Maybe the percents are true, so what? Let them live their own lives. It's not our business to point people with those problem's out. It's their life. LEAVE THEM ALONE!

  • Speaking For Myself
    March 3, 2009 8:58 a.m.

    I guess I am not as smart as many of you because where you can speak in broad strokes, I can only speak for myself.

    In that regard, I am LDS. I try every day to do better than I did the day before. I believe I can one day overcome all the trappings of temptation, of hate, of greed, of selfishness and will some day be free of all of that, but for now, I am very pleased with my progress.

    I do not have any subscription to any pornographic publication or site and I have no desire to ever go there. As you have guessed I am nothing special. Just your average everyday person who has seen the disease of pornography infect many homes. It is dangerous and sad at the same time. Yes it is made to peak our curiosity, but we do not have to give in to it, and by not giving in to it we do not have to feel wound up or deprived or repressed or suicidal or postal. We just occupy our lives with more productive and less destructive things. Never give up. Make strides everyday. Love your spouse totally.

  • weak study
    March 3, 2009 8:58 a.m.

    This study is flawed. Look at the 5 zip codes mentioned and there are about 100 households per zip code. If 1 person has a subscription, it would totally skew the data.

  • LIES
    March 3, 2009 8:57 a.m.

    OOOOh a study from a University who teaches global warming, and liberalism. I'm sure this study is on the up and up.

    Harvard has zero credibility on social issues.

  • Alex
    March 3, 2009 8:55 a.m.

    LDS living in California | 8:25 a.m. March 3, 2009:

    "Typical Utah Mormons! LDS living in Utah and outside of Utah are completely different. Utah Mormons take the church for granted! Live what you preach! "

    That is not my experience. I don't have a problem with Utah Mormons. I have problems with Utahns that ought to be Mormons, but are afraid to be. It is the fence-sitters and the disaffected that I have more of a problem with. Unfortunately, "what happens in Utah, stays in Utah". This means that Utah is a great place to flout commandments, because the LDS faithful in Utah will always have to pick up the tab for it. For some who are disaffected or critical, that is quite a bonus to their racket.

    Some of the best people I have ever known in my life are and were Utah Mormons, and yes, I have lived in Utah before. Some of you out of state LDS should consider what you are doing when you indulge in the "Utah Mormon" digs. It is the faithful in Utah that end up taking the heat, not the hypocrite. The real hypocrites dont care.

  • Plot them out
    March 3, 2009 8:53 a.m.

    If one plots these zip codes out they make more sense (although I am not sure what make Severe so high on the list). Number 2 is U of U campus etc. Let's not assume that this is a Mormon thing. Some of the areas have much fewer LDS than the rest of the state.

  • Mark
    March 3, 2009 8:53 a.m.

    The percentage of Mormons to those of other faiths or no faith at all is less than half in Salt Lake City. Let's look at the numbers people, we are talking 5 people out of every thousand are subscribing to online Porn - how does that prove that it is faithful members of the Mormon faith subscribing? As many other's have pointed out the internet is virtually the only place to get this type of smut in Utah so naturally the figures will be higher here and in other states where it is difficult to get porn in retail locations. Porn is a problem even among Mormons and the church leadership warns against it and does everything it can to combat it but this study does not prove that "Mormons" are big porn users or that Mormons are hypocritical!

  • ohmygoodness
    March 3, 2009 8:52 a.m.

    The "flawed" study would have been right on the mark if it had found Utah had usage rates comparable to Idaho.

    Who cares what total consumption is from all sources?

    The fact that statewide over five households per 1000 with broadband have a subscription is something to be concerned about, or not. It's crazy that people are arguing that Utahns are less into porn than the study indicates when the point is we're into porn.

  • SJ
    March 3, 2009 8:52 a.m.

    I'm not surprised at the story. I've always beleived that Utah had some of the best people and some of the most troubled people in the world. Whereever The Lord's best people are, there will be Satan's best workers as well.

  • Perspective
    March 3, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    According to the article that means that 0.547% of people in Utah use this service. That is significantly less that 1% of the population.

    In most states it is much easier to buy hard-core pornography at a local adult bookstore. To be honest with you I am surprized given Utah's strict anti-pornography laws that the number is not much higher.

  • lol
    March 3, 2009 8:47 a.m.

    I loved this quote from the researcher, "But users who do attend religious services tend to shift their adult entertainment sessions to other days of the week than the day of services."

    Nice.

  • True? Possibly...
    March 3, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    Actually, it's probably that the Utahns don't know where to get free porn, eh?

  • Nyal D
    March 3, 2009 8:32 a.m.

    The argument that the porn is higher in ZIP codes that have smaller percentages of members and so proves that Mormons don't look at porn as much is flawed. Since the rest of the universe is overwhelmingly Gentile, and their usage rates are still lower, one must conclude it is NOT just the Utah non-members ruining it for the rest of Utah Mormons. Also, how in the world is porn dangerous addicting, poisonous, or anything like that? I have seen plenty of porn in my life, I haven't married a man, beaten my wife, or eaten an unhealthy amount of babies.

  • Rick
    March 3, 2009 8:30 a.m.

    Two of the zip codes are in the Salt Lake area. is not that area 65% non Mormon?

  • Anonymous
    March 3, 2009 8:25 a.m.

    Baloney. This is pure nonsense.

  • LDS living in California
    March 3, 2009 8:25 a.m.

    Typical Utah Mormons! LDS living in Utah and outside of Utah are completely different. Utah Mormons take the church for granted! Live what you preach!

  • Spin
    March 3, 2009 8:24 a.m.

    Ok, you have convinced me. Mormons don't look at porn. It is all of the non-mormons. Good arguments people. I should have known. Mormons are good at spinning information. Look at the history of the church and all of the spin they put on that. They are just spinning this information as well.

  • Anon
    March 3, 2009 8:23 a.m.

    I haven't read the WSJ editorial on the study, but I smell a Harvard rat. By the way, porn isn't addictive to mormon men simply because they are "repressed" mormons. It's addictive and attractive to men because men are genetically coded to enjoy it. Part of our responsibility in mortality is overcoming that hard wiring.

  • Lies and statistics
    March 3, 2009 8:17 a.m.

    Experience tells me this "study" is pure bunk.

    Everyone knows you can create a study and make it say whatever you want. This is nothing more than an opinion piece that wraps itself in the cloak of science to "prove that attempts have a morality based society are futile".

    Do we have a problem with porn in Utah? Absolutely. But trotting out some study to show that a few zip codes within our state have high subscription rates is just a fluff piece to sell headlines and push a political agenda.

  • Fredd
    March 3, 2009 8:14 a.m.

    I don't know why everyone doubts this so much. I have read numerous articles stating Utah is at or close to the top in internet porn searches. My experience is Mormons (not Utonians, but Mormons) seem to be pretty open about sex. They keep it within marriage but they aren't shy about it. Not in a vulgar way, just open about it. And to those who say its the only outlet for porn in Utah, I don't think there is much competition for the internet.

  • Previous Stat Student
    March 3, 2009 8:14 a.m.

    Lets look at three underlying factors that could easily explain this:

    1) Utah offers less opportunity for obtaining porn than other states (ex: less strip clubs, porn theatres, liquor stores, etc.)

    2) Utah isn't 100% LDS, so anyone not LDS and starved for porn will be more likely to subscribe online as that is the easiest way to obtain it.

    3) Utah carries a larger than normal stigma for porn than possibly any other state, forcing people to resign to more private means to get porn, and at home on your computer seems the most private place to get away with it.

    THINK before you judge!

  • Real Issue
    March 3, 2009 8:08 a.m.

    We have Sen. Buttars trying to defend us against the most dangerous group of people in the world, homosexuals, and other policitians trying to defend us from having to look at a bottle of alcohol in a restaurant. Meanwhile we lead the country in online porn subscriptions? "Skewd", yeah that justfies this article doesn't it folks. Perhaps the larger issue here is that LDS have a bigger problem within and don't want to address it. So they deflect the real issues to something that cannot be associated with good LDS people.

    The same people subscribing online for pornography were the same people on here last week defending Sen. Buttars comments against homosexuality. That is the definition of hypocrisy folks. Alive and well in the good ole state of Utah.

  • Knowwhat
    March 3, 2009 7:59 a.m.

    Look at the latest historical evidence of great minds and analysis coming from Harvard, George W. and Barry O. that tells me anything coming from someone at Harvard could possibly be insufficient.

    84112, that includes the U of U, Go Utes!

  • Jumipin' jack
    March 3, 2009 7:56 a.m.

    This is what happens when the public has to go through hoops to get a drink.

  • Utes #1
    March 3, 2009 7:56 a.m.

    84112, hmmmm, isn't that the University of Utah? Have the Utes finally won an uncontested #1 slot?

  • Robert
    March 3, 2009 7:54 a.m.

    Another study reported a few years ago shows that Utah is the state with the highest percentage of population owning computers.

    This is an important factor to consider when studies such as this one are based on subscriptions per the state's population and not per the state's population owning computers.

    With more computer ownership, there would naturally be more computer usage, and hence online pornography.

    I'm surprised the Deseret News article does not mention this.

  • Terri
    March 3, 2009 7:52 a.m.

    For porn to be considered as "sweets" you obviously have not had to deal with the addictive nature of porn. It is not "sweet"! It is a consuming fire that will burn your soul and drag you down to hell. You probably will lose your job, your family, and any self-respect you ever had for yourself. If you had to watch a loved one suffer from this addiction it would be agonizing, not to mention if it was your daughter on the internet. This addiction is q cancer and it affects our whole nation. Stop looking at numbers and look at yourself. Correction comes not from statistics, but from knowing who you truly are and respecting yourself and others...need I mention the word LOVE.

  • PV
    March 3, 2009 7:23 a.m.

    As "Look At the Zip Codes" pointed out, there is not a strong correlation between the level of pornography consumption and the LDS population. If there was such a correlation, the highest concentrations would be in Davis and Utah Counties, not Salt Lake County and the border counties.

    Even so, it is an embarrassment for Utah, and a clear indication that there is work to be done in educating the population about the dangers of pornography.

    Of course, critics of the LDS Church can't do much more than repeat the usual "hypocrisy" trope, because to criticize the level of pornography consumption would be admitting that it's a problem, which they aren't likely to do.

  • PLEASE
    March 3, 2009 7:18 a.m.

    Why can't we just admit that we have a problem in Utah. Why is that so hard. The bretren have lectured the priesthood about pornography at every general confeence (except the last one). They know there is a problem. The truth is always hard to deal with because it hurts the most. Most of you are just hiding about rheteric (sp) Garden of Eden Utah is not. I have lived outside Utah most of my life. I raised my children outside of Utah and much prefer to live outside the state when it comes to living my religion. This survey is not surprising. Why does it surprise you???????

  • Read more carefully
    March 3, 2009 7:10 a.m.

    The % of porn subscribers is quite low compared to population numbers. Also the zip codes that were the highest in Utah are where the % of non Latter-day Saints is highest. Also the article pointed out that there is less opportunities to purchase porn in retail, so the internet is used.

    Perhaps if the study was done with more pertinent facts you may find out that Utah's Latter-day Saints have a much lower % than the nation's average for porn purchases.

  • Fraud capital
    March 3, 2009 6:55 a.m.

    We are also the fraud capital of the United States. We would have neither the porn problem or the fraud problem if Church-members gave greater heed to what their leaders have been saying over and over and OVER for years and years and years. President Hinckley addressed the on-line porn problem regularly in priesthood sessions of General Conference. (President Monson et al will no doubt do the same.)

    The counsel to keep our financial houses in order goes back even further. The "stormy weather" in the financial world forecast by President Hinckley a few years ago is clearly here.

  • Worried Mom
    March 3, 2009 6:42 a.m.

    Do you have any idea how many people live in the town that they have as the no. 1 zip code? Maybe there might be 50 if you count the little children. Who did he get his statistics from? Apparently, he has no idea how to figure out how to figure statistics that are realistic! It could only be 2-3 subscriptions in the whole town!

  • DTF
    March 3, 2009 6:15 a.m.

    This needs to be scutinized more heavily. the 84018 zip is for Croydon, in Morgan County. According to the US Census, Croydon have an estimated 2007 population of 158. So one subscription in Crodon is the equivalent of of 0.45 people in a town of 1000. Obvioulsy the results skew when there is even a single subscription in a zip code with a small population

  • WHY Question the results?
    March 3, 2009 5:48 a.m.

    For those that have concerns regarding the scholarship of this study, you can bet those concerns would not be here if Utah had be a state that was last in Pron use.

    It is what it is, and that is just more of the same strange stuff regarding our Great State.

  • JMT
    March 3, 2009 5:41 a.m.

    Having played the game of politics for almost 30 years I smell a rat. IF (big IF) what "I" is saying is correct about citations I suddenly doubt the results of this study.

    Could this be essentially payback for the LDS support of traditional marriage in California?

    In politics NOTHING is above suspicion. If it can be done, someone will do it. And the fact that this report has the name "Harvard" associated with it means little to me. That could be a selling point for his own 'online' junk, per se.

  • Robb F
    March 3, 2009 5:40 a.m.

    I don't live in Utah but served a mission there. I had always heard of the "Utah Mormon" phenomenon before going. What I discovered is that there are simply more of every type of member in Utah. There are more faithful, humble members, more hypocrites, more less active, more everything. Basically, whatever a person wants to find when they come to Utah and meet the members, they will find. Then they can let that color their impression. I for one, focus on the thousands of faithful members going about their lives trying to live their faith.

  • Junk analysis
    March 3, 2009 4:40 a.m.

    Wow, can't believe this was even printed. See the following from the Wall Street Journal.

    "Utah has only 1.69 subscriptions per thousand people. The Beehive State's population is 2.7 million, according to the latest census estimate. That means the total number of Utahns who subscribe to the porn service Edelman analyzes is less than 5,000--quite a small number on which to conclude that the place is full of moralistic deviants."

  • This study is debunked
    March 3, 2009 4:33 a.m.

    This "study" and conclusion is junk and is debunked at the Wall Street Journal editorial page. Too bad the Deseret News didn't look at this critically enough before swallowing it hook, line and sinker.

  • shawilli
    March 3, 2009 1:49 a.m.

    expect to hear about this in April Conference...I am sure that some members engage in this, but hopefully the problem is not prevalent amoung the members of the church.

  • Who rejoices in another's sin?
    March 3, 2009 12:20 a.m.

    I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about people in Utah. The data doesn't support that bias. I'm young. I'm male. I've been raised on Mormon values. And I live in Utah. But I don't view porn, precisely because of those factors, not in spite of them. Frankly, wherever I live, I will live my religion. I don't have to move away from Utah to do that. I don't have to live in Utah to do that.

    The data means nothing to my personal life, but the concern is for each individual that it does represent. For those that are ensnared by the poison that is pornography I for one don't condemn you, but rather plead that you recognize this filth for what it is, depart from it, regain your self control and your self respect. Instead of excuses for behavior, repent and become anew that you may live justified in your actions. And if someone calls you a hypocrite for it, theirs is the greater offense, so feel sorry for them, and just turn the other cheek. There's no such thing as too good to be true.

  • Know your spouse and children.
    March 3, 2009 12:08 a.m.

    I know my husband and know that Porn is not his thing, and that is visa versa. I remember a Stake President once telling wives to not let their husbands be on the internet in a private room. And how many hundreds of times did I hear that children should not have computers in their bedrooms. I have a former boss who is in a bishopric and works for the church, he does not use the internet, he has his wife do that for him. He never said really why, but I believe it was his way of staying away from something he was not sure he could be strong about. You know if you tend to like substance abuse, you stay out of bars.

    My husband and I are addicted to sweets, today at a store we walked by a counter of all kinds of candy, we both stopped and looked, it was pretty pathetic. Sweets are our porn and we need to learn to not be a slave to that, as do those who are weak when it comes to porn.

  • l
    March 2, 2009 10:48 p.m.

    lol, SteveS, it's been awhile since you've had a statistics class, I guess...I guarantee any beginning statistics student, given access to the data could manipulate it to say whatever they want. Even if the numbers are totally accurate, there's not much you can infer from the data without looking at more data. The conclusion of every article is always 'more research is needed.' Okay, so the state with the highest population of LDS pays for the most porn online. But who is paying for it? Is it active members, inactive members, former members, or those who have never been LDS? Are they people who would normally purchase retail, as Edelman admits, but can't because retail availability is more limited here? What are overall porn sales per capita here, not just online sales?

    What does the data tell us? Nothing. Is it important to look into more? You bet it is.

  • l
    March 2, 2009 10:22 p.m.

    RE SteveS,

    In addition to lacking verifiable statistics and in spite of the fact that he works at Harvard, his list of references is suspect. For good scholarly journal articles, the majority of citations are other scholarly journal articles. In this case, he included only one scholarly journal article out of the 27 references he cites. That reference, at 13 years old (a lifetime when it comes to the internet) is the second oldest reference in the list, after an almost 50 year old book. Most citations are 2003 to present, so while up to date, they are mainly from newspapers, industry magazines, and books, none of which have to meet any kind of scientific standard in order to be published (think of the last book or magazine you read and how much of it was likely accurate). He cites three of his own personal blog postings and one of a former classmate's unpublished articles as well.

    newspapers/magazines 9
    books 7
    own blog 3
    commercial stats organizations 3
    congressional reports 2
    governmental stats 1
    classmate's unpublished article 1
    scholarly journal article 1

    The real question is who was the reviewer that let this article through?

  • Re: SteveS
    March 2, 2009 10:20 p.m.

    Au contraire Steve.

    The "fact" is not that "Utahns are _paying_ for porn at a higher rate per capita than any other state in the nation."

    The study didn't look at X-rated movie viewing, porn magazines, or a multitude of other ways people pay for porn.

    "No statistics class can tear that data apart"?...Hardly.

  • re: Look at The Zip Codes
    March 2, 2009 10:19 p.m.

    Wow, I just checked those ZIP CODES out. I think they belong to border towns of Colorado City AZ/UT.

  • Mountain Out Of A Molehill
    March 2, 2009 10:15 p.m.

    The study also found "that subscriptions are more prevalent in regions with higher measures of social capital."

    Apparently those who donate blood, engage in volunteer activities, or participate in community projects are also more prone to view pornography.

  • l
    March 2, 2009 9:57 p.m.

    I don't find anywhere in the article that he tells us how statistically significantly different the states are from each other. No matter how good his data is, if he doesn't report statistical significance, the reader should wonder what he's hiding.

  • SteveS
    March 2, 2009 9:41 p.m.

    A published article?: 1) Don't you think a _Harvard_ statistician knows what he's doing before publishing a paper with his name, and his institution's name on it, especially on a hot-button topic like this is? 2) I agree that correlation does not imply causation, but the fact remains that Utahns are _paying_ for porn at a higher rate per capita than any other state in the nation. Not just viewing all the loads of free stuff out there. _PAYING_ for it. Regardless of whether the payment of online porn is higher in "red" or "blue" states, the state with the highest LDS population is also the highest for paying for porn online. No statistics class can tear that data apart.

  • John Charity Spring
    March 2, 2009 9:31 p.m.

    The Internet has been taken over by those who have made it a tool of the devil. If our society is to atop this degeneration, we must return to the old fashioned values that made this Country great: morality, modesty, chastity, and respect for others.

  • Look at The Zip Codes
    March 2, 2009 9:25 p.m.

    If you take a look at the Zip codes that were highest you'll notice that most of them are where LDS population is low Salt Lake City, Salt Lake County and particularly San Juan county @ 38%.

    Not to say that the LDS population could not do better.

  • l
    March 2, 2009 9:21 p.m.

    According to his article, which provides more details than you'll find in the newspaper article about his article, online porn accounts for 22% of all porn sales. So overall, where do we fit in?

  • A published article?
    March 2, 2009 8:56 p.m.

    A statistics class would tear this article apart. This is not science--it's a Harvard professor's opinion based on how he wants to interpret the data that he has chosen to include and that he has adjusted.

  • Shameful
    March 2, 2009 8:36 p.m.

    This is very sad indeed.

  • Re: @biased, flawed?
    March 2, 2009 8:30 p.m.

    skewed: to take an oblique course or direction.

    The author admits to adjusting his data. If the findings are so close, that is a red flag to me. I am troubled by paragraph 5 where he intimates that there is a direct correlation to conservative legislation on sexuality/marriage and faith in God to porn use. Another brilliant professor could have said that Utahns consume 11% more popsicles and jello and that is the reason for porn use. You have to show proof of a direct correlation before you start offering your own conclusions people.

  • Flawed??
    March 2, 2009 7:35 p.m.

    How is the study flawed or biased? It shows that, per 1000 people with broadband access, Utahns buy more porn. That is a fact, at least insofar as the dataset can be generalized. It does not prove anybody's "point".

    I've lived in Utah for the past 21 years, and much of the speculation here... that porn may be more enticing because it's "forbidden", or because there is less of an opportunity to visit sexually-oriented businesses locally... sounds reasonable to me. And yes, I think it can only lead to the conclusion that Utahns tend to be a bit hypocritical when it comes to sex, which (to me) seems like a probable side-effect of the pervasive and misguided "I can be perfect if I just try a little harder" attitude many Mormons tend to exhibit and, in too many cases, preach. Such an unhealthy attitude not only reinforces negativity when a person fails again and again to live up to their own expectations, but it leads IMO to chronic depression as well. (See also how Utah rates on per capita prescriptions for anti-depressants.)

  • Stan
    March 2, 2009 7:24 p.m.

    Hey Roberta! Don't count me in your lowlife loathsome group of men, or as one who covets more women or trash magazines! I believe in ONE WIFE, NO PORNOGRAPHY and absolutely NO POLYGAMY! Not all men are perverted as you may think.

  • Dixie Dan
    March 2, 2009 7:21 p.m.

    When you can't drink, smoke or gamble, what else can you do with all that pent up energy?

  • mark
    March 2, 2009 7:16 p.m.

    Utah kinkier than a cheap garden hose.

    The NEW UT license plate

  • Demographics
    March 2, 2009 7:15 p.m.

    Wow, are people really believing this crap. At least your number #1 in something Utah. I have no idea why people are even surprised. Just think about it for a second. With any statistic it is all in how the study is done. Put some things into play: Utah
    (1)has the highest number of computer users per capita,
    (2)has the largest youth base, and
    (3)has the least access to porn.
    These factors should have influenced the statistic more than Utah is a conservative state, god believing people. I'm suprised that it wasn't higher.
    Men are men and men and men look at porn. I really doubt they look at it more among Mormons and conservatives.

  • David
    March 2, 2009 7:14 p.m.

    This is an absolute embarrassment. We need to be absolutely ashamed. It is time for a serious call for repentance on behalf of leaders of all Churches in the area. We are a community - and need to act like it. We like to think that our sin is our business - but it doesn't work that way.

  • Pitiful
    March 2, 2009 7:13 p.m.

    What a pitiful comment, Roberta. You most be a very sad, lonely, angry person.

    It's interesting that the professor used the reasoning that he did. Why does he assume it is because of belief in God or defense of marriage? Maybe it's true of Utah because of increased skiing or consumption of jello. I always question results when the author's need to draw specific conclusions is so transparent.

  • Privacy
    March 2, 2009 7:06 p.m.

    Most people like sex, and since sex is considered bad and evil in Utah, Utahns get their fix on the "privacy" of their computers.

    I am happy we have a poster playing the persecution card. That is also very Utah.

  • Oh oh - Legislature?
    March 2, 2009 7:02 p.m.

    What law are you going to come up with & pass to keep us safe from ourselves?

    We are depending on you good folks up there.

  • Jared
    March 2, 2009 7:02 p.m.

    Hero of Canton is right (he just reiterated what part of the article said). It is a lot harder to buy pornographic magazines in Utah than most other places which means that the internet is more important for accessing it. Also, just because the subscription rates are higher in Utah doesn't mean that consumption is higher (maybe people access more free pornography elsewhere). Additionally, higher rates does not mean it is LDS Church members who are doing the majority of the consumption - they could be but you can't assume that. Of course some LDS members do have problems with pornography but you cannot say that these higher rates are the result of LDS consumers.

  • @ Biased
    March 2, 2009 7:00 p.m.

    On what, other than your dislike of the results, do you base your comment that the findings are "skewed?"

  • Hmm...
    March 2, 2009 6:59 p.m.

    I guess the Latter-day Saints have felt that the prophets' counsel on avoiding pornography was intended for everyone else...

  • THEeyepatch
    March 2, 2009 6:53 p.m.

    Just proof that we have some sexually repressed people around us. Porn is a disease kind of like a drug and all drugs are and have been a danger to this country for years. It's not some foreigner selling this junk, but your next door neighbor, family member, elected public officals. The internet makes it impossible to stop. I'm sure that alot of it comes from Eastern European countries and/or the former Soviet Union. But that's the problem with this country. We want everything and we want it now. No matter how vulgar or addictive it is. We are the biggest consumers of junk. "In God we trust." should be changed to "Gimme some more." Well, if you find yourself on a porn website either on accident or on purpose remember "In God I trust."

  • Responsible, concerned Citizen
    March 2, 2009 6:53 p.m.

    Hey Deseret-news,

    "No. 1 in ONLINE porn subscriptions" IS NOT "No. 1 in porn subscriptions"!

    Learn to report the news and not try to make it. Change the headline!

  • LDS?
    March 2, 2009 6:52 p.m.

    I'm a little curious about the comment of the Church being better outside of Utah. I think the biggest difference is that in Utah, you live next members. Your neighbors down the street are members. Most people you run into are members.

    I grew up in Texas and didn't know who was and who was not LDS. Much of my family now lives in CA and I can't assume that someone is or is not LDS.

  • RE: Anonymous
    March 2, 2009 6:48 p.m.

    I also lived in Utah most of my life as an LDS. I also live in California now. I also lived outside of the country for a few years. I find it quite short sighted to say that Utah members are hypocritical. People are paople and are not perfect.
    Since the membership percentage in Utah is much higher than anywhere else, there are probably more member who fall from the standards, but it is not because they are more hypocritical than any other states members. It is becuase you hear more about them because because paople in Utah are expected to be more perfect than anywhere else.
    I have an Idea!!! Why don't we all just worry about our own actions, and NOT everyone elses, just so we can point the finger at them.

  • Matt Connelly
    March 2, 2009 6:47 p.m.

    A previous comment said, "I'm shocked that Utah County didn't show up as a higher consumer of porn." I'm not shocked at all. I went to school at BYU and the vast majority of people I studied with were good kids and lived their lives according to their values. Now of course some didn't. But there's a ton of good kids in Provo and people need to give credit where credit is due.

  • utah mormon defender
    March 2, 2009 6:45 p.m.

    Dang....looks like Non-Mormons AND now other Mormons are just waiting for anything so they can jump on Utah members of the Church and brand them as hypocrites. We're all hypocrites at some point people....
    People in Utah who want porn pretty much have to use the internet. There's infintely fewer adult stores and strip clubs in Utah, compared to other parts of the country.
    This study doesn't mean much to me.

  • Sweet!
    March 2, 2009 6:41 p.m.

    Go Utah! When will the high rate of porn users turn into a voting bloc? Some of the High and Mighty laws that Utah has need to go.

  • Anonymous
    March 2, 2009 6:36 p.m.

    ONLY IN UTAH! and it figures!

  • Ditto on Canton
    March 2, 2009 6:32 p.m.

    Please....you can't pin all of that on hypocritical Mormons. With infinitely fewer adult stores and triple XXX bars in Utah than other states, the internet's practically the only place for people to get that trash.
    This study is flawed.

  • Buy porn?
    March 2, 2009 6:31 p.m.

    Maybe people in Utah are too dumb figure out how to find free porn.

    Either way...

    We're #1, we're #1!

  • Ha Ha!
    March 2, 2009 6:29 p.m.

    Way to go Utah. You people there are female hungry!

  • Workinglate
    March 2, 2009 6:24 p.m.

    it must be all the non-Mormons...

    Just kidding - better say that before the white powder gets added to my US Mail.

  • Roberta
    March 2, 2009 6:17 p.m.

    Its all INHERITED in Utah blood. You can take the polygamy away from the Mormons, but you cannot take the girlie thing out of their minds, for it is deeply embedded into their culture. The Mormon men all have hopeful futures for the hereafter. And a PORN magazine just gets them that more excited.

  • Biased
    March 2, 2009 6:13 p.m.

    The findings are skewed to "prove" this pollsters biases: that conservative legislation on sexuality is wrong, that defense of marriage amendments are harmful, and that those who have faith in God are hypocrits. And, based on the first four comments, it's evident that there are a number of people who would like to have somebody "substantiate" their negative views of conservatives/Utahns. It's from Harvard, so of course it's correct, huh?

  • I guess....
    March 2, 2009 6:10 p.m.

    Big Brother is watching so quit doing it Utahns and concentrate on Family History like you are supposed to.......LOL!!

  • Easy
    March 2, 2009 6:07 p.m.

    Anonymous: kind of harsh there--I don't think Cali is angelic either and it's impossible to say what exactly Mormons are doing in each respective state.

    I quote:

    "Subscriptions are slightly more prevalent in states that have enacted conservative legislation on sexuality"

    Food for thought for our conservative political base here in Utah. Rep. Buttars' comments and others like them are alarming.

  • Well....
    March 2, 2009 6:00 p.m.

    at least we counteract the problem by doing a lot of geneology too, on the Internet.......LOL!!

  • Take that Buttars
    March 2, 2009 5:57 p.m.

    Pornography is the biggest threat to America, not gay people committing to each other. Apparently, Utah is proving this true. I hope Buttars is listening.

  • Hero of Canton
    March 2, 2009 5:55 p.m.

    I don't know why anyone would be shocked by this. You can't buy porn very easily in this state and it does not abound on the billboards or ad's.

    I AM shocked that Provo/Orem doesn't figure higher on there though.

  • Yeah right
    March 2, 2009 5:53 p.m.

    and the earth is getting warmer as well.

  • Anonymous
    March 2, 2009 5:53 p.m.

    The top two uses of internet are family history and porn. Satan isn't going to miss out of his share of the pie. Not surprising though, I've been active LDS my whole life and grew up in Utah. I now live in California and would never move back to Utah. I always heard the Church was better outside of Utah, not nearly as many hypocrites and guess what, it's true.

  • Based on
    March 2, 2009 5:50 p.m.

    Growing up in Utah this is not a surprise. Not at all.

  • GeeBee
    March 2, 2009 5:48 p.m.

    Hypocrisy and sexual oppression...nah, not in Utah.

  • Way to go Utah!
    March 2, 2009 5:45 p.m.

    #1 Yeah!