"activists" throw a party, (could be 5 people, could be 500) it is covered
extensively by the news media? Yet when normal people throw a party, nary a
word is said about it.
Only Buttars could cause this type of ruckus. Is Buttars Backlash the Musical
up next? I'm waiting for the Southern Poverty Law Center to crown him a "racist
threat" to the country...he'll be in good company...Colorado City and the
It's too bad that such a small percentage of the population gets so much play in
the media everytime they get offended. What's offensive is that the LGBT crowd
want to take away the rights of those who elected him by demanding his
resignation. Apparently, they think the first amendment only applies to them.
I'd rather party with the gays than scowl with the Ruzicka-bots!
The liberal left is sick. Appoint Buttars King and we could have a moral
This is wonderful.
I don't know when Aaron Falk stopped by the Buttars-palooza rally but his count
of the crowd was far off reality. At about 2 p.m., when the largest crowd was
present, there were between 1000 and 1200 people present. I understand the
Deseret News is undergoing some debate about the direction its news coverage.
Hopefully, one of the choices isn't making things up.
rolls eyes and moves on.
I hope you are hourly, not on salary. You are going to get rich off of this
I was there, and there were at least a thousand people there. I hate to
break the this news to all the conservative "religious" readers of this paper,
but the LGBT movement is a civil rights issue, and you all stand on the wrong
side of the issue.MLK marched so that we all have equal rights, and here
we are in 2009 still trying to implement equality.I know where I
stand, I just hope the Mormons wake up before they hurt more people.
Drag queens sell newspapers!
Mormons this mormons that, look at yourselves if you want to talk about hate.
The mormons just like any other religion have their rights too!!! Majority of
Americans are with the churches on this one. The mormons are a different people,
but much more honest and hold higher standards than most people in this corrupt
world. All of you Activists are annoying!!! You don't want equal rights, you
want preferential treatment on everything. Your reactions to Proposition 8 speak
volumes to your characters. We, Americans, also need to wake up to the socialism
that is taking place. Nationalization of everything, just what we need, more
government power. The people are what matter, not the corrupt government system.
We all need to stand as one voice and not allow our country go down this path of
communism. It looks good at first, but just wait if it keeps going. Russia, here
You think it's just Mormons that are against government legitimizing the LGBT
agenda? Ballot iniatives against gay marriage have won every time except once,
usually by 60% or more. What irritates the common sense majority is how
liberals, who can't get laws changed legitimately, try to do end-runs around the
constitution by manipulating the judicial branch. In this day and age the
majority's rights get trampled on more than the minority's.
I tried to resist but I have to ask. Do you really know that little about our
form of government or do you just hope the rest of us dont know anything about
our form of government?
Please enlighten me on where I'm wrong. Judicial activism is unconstitutional,
if that's what you're referring to. Since you chose not to be specific, I'll
assume that you're the one lacking in the knowledge of our form of government.
As one of those hateful biggot Mormons I say we as Latter Day Saints be kind to
everyone and show commpassion to the gays as President Monson asked us to. But
never let your guard down in the battle for freedom and saving the constitution.
Everyone should be treated fair and if gays don't like our religion they are
free to join another and leave us alone.Butters words were taken out of
context. He was refering mostly to the extremist group. Like the one that
disrepectfully protested at President Hinkleys funeral. I think any good gay
person would be embarrased by this evil group of people. But the angry mob who
threatened to burn the LA Temple down are out of control also and should pay fro
Maybe you all missed this, but the gay rights legislation that Buttars was
protesting is actually backed by the Mormon church. Mormons want gays to have
more rights in Utah. They just don't want them to get married.
The SL Tribune reported that over a 1000 people attended. The Des News
estimated it at '300 or so'. Why such a discrepancy?
Really??? We're still talking about this?This topic is getting so
old.Keep milking it--media--maybe you can drag it out for another
year.Don't you have any real news?
I was at the protests at the LA mormon temple. No one threatened to burn it
down. The protests were loud and angry but completely non-violent. You're
putting a rumor out there that has absolutely no truth to it.
Mormons don't want them to get married. Not in the courthouse, not in the park,
not by a sea Cap in a boat. no walking down the isle, no standing before a
justice of peace. no flowers, no rings, no something borrowed,blue, old or new.
The mormons want to control everything. WHy can't the be content in
saying Gays will never ever get married in our church buildings, in our temples
or by our clergy. and be done with it. Why are they such an unpleasant bunch?
Very well said.
Why do mormons think gays want is to join the mormon church?. Perhaps all the
gay folks want is the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Is
that really so unreasonable? Oh, i get it. Mormons believe that only god's
children are bestowed with these inalienable rights. God save them all.
none of us gays want to join the mormon church. How about you leave us alone
and we'll leave you alone.
We love the gays but hate their sin. That is a bit hard to do but we try. I
believe gays choose their lifestyle and want to be able to "marry" so their
lifestyle will be acceptable and therefore silence those who believe otherwise.
Mormons don't want to control everything, we just want to have our equal say.
Liberals just want to marginalize religous beliefs as irrational. Sixty to
seventy percent of this country are against gay marriage being condoned by the
government. The problem is that those on the side of gay rights don't have the
decency to respect our views as anything but bigotry and hatred.
oh, Larry. Living too long in a theocracy will warp your brain. Trust us, we
don't want you to love us. We no more choose our homosexuality than you chose
your heterosexuality. You're spouting religious propaganda. Here's some more
for you: "Judge not, lest ye be judged".
The past few days have been interesting. Someone once said ,"that some attention
is better than no attention." I would say the gays have really taken advantage
of "Buttar's Blunder's" to voice their feelings. There have been some
"enlightening" comments which ever side you are on. I suppose that since the
L.D.S. conference is coming up, the gays will get their signs etc. ready. One of
the comments that I thought a little humorus, was the one about Noah. The
question was how the gays would have come out when Noah was taking the animals
two by two. I guess the gay animals would have been standing in the rain. Peace.
"Mormons believe that only god's children are bestowed with these inalienable
rights."As a "Mormon" I wouldn't disagree with this statement. One
of the most fundamental doctrines of the Church is that ALL men and women are
children of God. This doctrine is not partial to any race, creed, culture,
gender, moral standing, etc...
I took a psych class at a liberal university back east. My prof was very
liberal. She really hated it when I asked if there was proof that homosexuality
was genetic. Finally she admitted that there was none.
your joke makes no sense.
...if there were gay animals, did they choose their homosexuality as you likely
believe humans do?
you are lying and everyone on here knows it. That is unless you went to your
liberal university back east sometime in the 50's.
To the comment at 11:16; amazing that you are calling me a liar. What a nasty
thing to do. The other 120 people in the class heard it and were shocked because
the professor personally believed it was genetic. The professor also
taught us that it was considered a mental illness to believe that homosexuality
was wrong. I then asked her if that had always been the case and she said that
in the past it was considered a mental illness to feel homosexuality was fine.
She said the criteria used was the opinion of the majority. So a person, without
changing their opinion, would be considered mentally well in the 70s and
mentally ill in the 90s. Weird world we live in.If you don't believe
me, open some text books.
"to JB | 11:16 p.m. Feb. 28, 2009 - you are lying and everyone on here knows it.
That is unless you went to your liberal university back east sometime in the
50's."OK, genius, where's the scientific proof you claim to have
that homosexuality is 100%, undisputably genetic?Time to put up or
shut up.....Come on, we're waiting.
so the joke is funny because the gay animals were excluded from the ark and
perished? Or did you want them to be paired up with their straight counterparts
so when the ark landed those forced families were ruined when the gay animal ran
off to search for his own kind? There are many modern examples (ducks, geese,
penguins and cows to name a few) of homosexual animals and yet somehow they were
able to survive the great flood. So many seriously ridiculous possibilities
but what they all have common is the underlying homophobia of the author who
just thought he was repeating a stupid joke.
it's time for you to open up some text books. Preferably some current ones. No
one said that 'homosexuality is 100%, undisputably (sic) genetic'. Do you
believe that heterosexuality is 100%, indisputably genetic?
'US researchers are finding common biological traits among gay men, feeding a
growing consensus that sexual orientation is an inborn combination of genetic
and environmental factors that largely decide a person's sexual attractions
before they are born.'
was dated December 1, 2008.
"Anonymous | 11:46 p.m. Feb. 28, 2009 - it's time for you to open up some text
books. Preferably some current ones. No one said that 'homosexuality is 100%,
undisputably (sic) genetic'. Do you believe that heterosexuality is 100%,
indisputably genetic?"Quit trying to change the subject, Anonymous.
JB @ 11:02 very clearly said that a college professor he knew was forced to
admit that homosexuality has not yet been proven as being purely caused by
genetics and then "to JB" at 11:16 kindly called him a liar and said that
"everyone here" knows it.In other words, "homosexuality is 100%
genetic".So, again, I ask, where's your PROOF?And, no,
you may not talk about science and heterosexuality because that's not what's
under fire here....it's homosexuality, so don't change the subject.So...quit dawdling. Where's the homosexual scientific proof?
re: Anonymous at 11:46,You seem a little confused. I'm not going to
argue with you because it would be pointless. I wanted to share that info and
yes, I haven't been in college for nine years but I've kept up on the issue.The reason I brought it up is because some liberals make comments on
here about how indisputable it is that gays were born that way. This has not
been proven. We all have various urges, some act on them, some resist. I have a
close relative who was gay for years and is now very happily married with a
child. Many of you say having homosexual urges cannot change. Facts say
otherwise. Now go ahead and rant; it won't change the facts and you won't
frighten me into agreeing with you with abuse and labels.
While sexual behaviour may be chosen, the preponderance of researchers say
attraction is dictated by biology, with no demonstrated contribution from social
factors such as parenting or other factors after birth.A host of
studies since the mid-1990s have found common biological traits between gay men,
including left-handedness and the direction of hair whorls. The likelihood that
if one identical twin is gay, the other will be also be gay is much higher than
the "concordance" of homosexuality between fraternal twins, indicating that
genes play a role in sexual orientation, but are not the entire cause."In the past decade, I think the pendulum has swung more toward biological
theory and biological causes," said Richard Lippa, a psychology professor at
California State University-Fullerton
Sven Bocklandt, a geneticist at the David Geffen school of medicine at UCLA, is
bewildered by the argument that people choose their sexual attraction. He said
that virtually every animal species that has been studied - from sheep to fruit
flies - has a small minority of individuals who demonstrate homosexual activity.
Get a net and a cage! The gays had a party involving the anti American people.
The anti human rights people tried to demonstrate their contempt for others
opinions. They were successful and have proven they are mindless, intolerate
people. Nothing new here! Get a LIFE and accept others beliefs, if the gays want
Almost anything can be proven by research, depending upon the bias of the team
involved or their backers. The UK is becoming extremist in their liberal views.
There was a report I heard years ago showing twinkies were good for kids. Later,
it was learned that a sugar company had paid for the research.
Heterosexuality has an undeniable genetic component: X and Y chromasomes.
I'm constantly amazed whenever Christian folk want proof brought to the table
that homosexuality is genetic. Um ... you want the LGBT crowd to prove that
their supposed "affliction" is genetic, while they simply have to accept that
your supreme deity has already passed judgment on homosexuality and deemed it an
abomination?I mean, I'm all for religious freedom, and all for faith
in whatever power you see fit, but as for me and my house, I have faith in the
United States Constitution, which is being run over roughshod by a majority
playing wounded victim. I hope these things will correct themselves, although it
seems the judiciary is the only recourse for the minorities in our land of the
If homosexuality is genetic, it is a dead-end genetic failure. Other genetic
traits that essentially guarantee that those genes will not be passed on die out
over time, or are called syndromes or diseases.Arguing that it is
genetic and must therefore be accepted always makes me laugh. A genetic
imperative of all species is reproduction. Doin' it with something that won't
create offspring is an evolutionary dead-end, and not worthy of support, except
consolation for the terminal condition. Great, let's all celebrate
the genetic dead-enders and treat them like the rest of us who will actually
contribute to the gene pool and society moving forward through marriage and
Homosexuality, if allowed to spread and become rampant, certainly would be this
nation's undoing. God protects this nation, it is a promised land and a
protected chosen land to those who keep God's commandments. But when a majority
of the people disobey God's commandments and turn to evil ways, such as
homosexuality which is an abomination in the sight of God, then God will
withdraw his protection and that nation will dwindle and crumble into ruin.
This is the lesson taught over and over in the Old Testament and Book of Mormon:
Nations prosper when a majority of the people keep God's commandments, and
dwindle and perish when a majority of the people do not keep God's commandments.
So Buttars was right in the sense that if homosexuality perversions spread and
reach a critical mass in society and culture, then watch out this nation's end
This discussion went off in an odd direction. The consensus in the
medical and mental health community holds the sexual orientation is an inherent
trait of a person's identity; the ethical standards in the mental health
community state that the goal in treating glbt persons is to help them lead an
emotionally healthy life as a gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender person.To put it another way, being attracted to persons of the other gender
(heterosexual), persons of both genders (bisexual) and persons of the same
gender (homosexual) are all within the realm of normal, human sexual orientation
and experience.Asking "Is sexual orientation genetic?" misses the
point. The question of causation arises only because there are persons who
falsely assert sexual orientation is entirely a matter of choice or that being
non-heterosexual is a psychological maladaptation or illness. A minority of
persons have always been non-heterosexual. The question of our day is we as a
society will integrate all persons into the full life of the community and that
being glbt persons are full members of the human family with the same feelings
Keep up the good work Mr. Buttars, you are just saying what 90% of the people
want to say but don't know how or haven't got the guts to say it.
Re Chad: And don't forget that the propagation of the species contributes to
global warming, war, and stresses on earth's resources.
Re Golden Calf: You are right about the Golden Calf except that all sorts of
debauchery was occurring, not just homosexuality. In our modern day society,
the golden calf is money, television, the internet and the debauchery is
pornography. Buttars has it all wrong. Gays are not the biggest threat to
American Society, it is internet pornography.
The response to Senator Butters remarks is hardly surprising given the record of
intimidation, insults, extreme reactions, and attempts to silence disagreement
by those who sympathize with the gay rights agenda. One such example is the
ongoing hatred and threats used against the LDS church and anyone else who voted
their conscience during the proposition 8 initiative in California. For
instance, they have posted blacklists online of those who supported the prop. 8
initiative. There other examples of such hatred and intimidation (see The Perils
of Raising the Title of Liberty, Maurine Proctor, Meridian Magazine, and Owner
says Proposition 8 Opponents Hacked in to Web Site, Carrie Moore, Deseret News,
11/13/08). Senator Butters voiced an opinion that dissented from the ideas of
the gay agenda, and thus hes become a target of their unrelenting attacks. Their
motive is nothing more than to scare anyone who would disagree with them into
silence. Its interesting that those who scream for tolerance the loudest are
those that are the least tolerant among us.
Arguing your point by citing scriptures or your personal religious beliefs is
like the other side arguing from emotion and citing their junk science. If you
want to add something constructive to the debate then it has to be done using
sound logic that most other people can relate to. There's plenty of reasons for
people to be against society condoning homosexuality without bringing religion
There were more like 1,500 people there, NOT 300. The Tribune reported over
1,000. Why is the Deseret News trying to downplay the turnout?
Please stop referencing the Bible for facts and proof. You look foolish to
anyone with a degree higher than an associates from Stevens-Henegar.
They are if they threaten our ability, and the ability of our political leaders,
to have freedom of speech. The "progressive community's" behavior (as they wish
to be called) says more about them than what they are saying about Buttars. I
agree with the ACLU--we shouldn't silence Buttars because in doing so, we set
dangerous precedence that any and all voices can be silenced if they are voices
of inconvenience to our public bullies. Yes, that is exactly how I see the
"progressive community"--political and social bullies. Who will protect us from
Lame. What a thing to spend time on.
Why is modern media so quick to publicize events in which people engage in
outrageous behavior to get attention? Our society must return to the values
that made this Country great: charity, temperance, and respect for others. A
failure to do so will just make existing problems worse.
Being gay has to be biological. Why else would a man or woman choose to be gay?
So that society can harass them, beat them up, make fun of them, and deny them
jobs, marriage, etc.???I would not choose to be gay. It obviously is
biological. No one in their right mind would say, "Gee, let me be gay, they
seem to catch all the garbage society can throw their way. Please let me
humiliated, tortured, and killed for being gay. Thank you Lord."Illogical. Gayness must be biological if you just think about it for a
i agree 100%
This shows that there are two languages being spoken in mainstream America. One
is the language of those who believe there is a God and an afterlife, right and
wrong, and those beliefs influence every factor of their lives. The other
language is those who believe this life is it, nothing more, no God, no
absolutes only relativity, and those beliefs influence every factor of their
life. Without acknowledging this reality, the two sides will never
effectively communicate. To say that someone cannot factor the Bible into their
discussion is to say that person and everything they believe is without
consequence. Acknowledging disparate beliefs, but allowing for the difference is
called respect. I respect the rights of gays to believe differently than me.
However, many gays do not respect my right to disagree. Belittling
the other side and pretending that no educated person is religious does not help
To the bible is just a book: Sounds to me as if you think having a degree
higher than an associates makes you smarter than God! I feel so bad for people
who put so much value on how smart they are given how many degrees they have. I
am sure God thinks this is hilarious!
It is so funny that the LDS Church teaches its members to get the highest degree
of education possible. It also teaches its members to read the best books.
Some of the greatest scientist of this time are currently sitting as members of
the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church. Yes, those who favor
homosexuality as biological dispute anything these men say just as when we use
these mens expericences to cite what is known. Homosexuality is a CHOICE. Yes,
you may have same gender attaraction but it is up to you to CHOOSE to act upon
that. Animals are put here on earth to be acted upon where as Mankind is placed
here to act.We are of higher intelligence than any in the animal
kingdom. Yes, I know all about how this animal has this degree of intelligence
and so on but the fact is they are acted upon. They go strictly by INSTINCT.
Man does not go by INSTINCT alone. To say otherwise is ludicrous.
It seems its OK to scream and yell your opinion as long as its not a
we have thre branches of govornment and that includes the courts, the courts
play an important role of protecting indivudal and minority groups rights from
the will of the majority. It is not activism to do so it is a basic function of
By that argument, why would teenagers choose to become pregnant? So that they
can drop out of high school, live a life of poverty, and have their children
grow up to be a drain on society? Hmm, and yet, teenagers get pregnant. Must
be beyond their control.Not saying I understand anything about the
causes of homosexual tendencies, but I am saying that behavior is always a
This is becoming a circus. The gays are not helping their cause by parading a
bunch of drag queens out at a party. They want to be seen as 'normal' and
'egual' yet whenever there is a 'whatever a palooza' going on they make every
point to show just how different they are. I am not for gay marriage but do
support the governor and the LDS church's position that approves of civil unions
and such.If you want respect, stop parading around in your underwear
and perhaps someone might just listen.
Noticed how the media and the homosexual community shifted the argument away
from whether homosexuality is an abomination (sorry, I haven't been through
enough sensitivity training on my terms) to whether Buttars said a few words
that hurt feelings or were "intolerant". I think that this is a moot point with
many utah citizens. They just want people to obey the law. The real threat
from these groups is that as they try to embed corruption into our our legal
system, we will stand idly by and watch. The fact that it is even a part of
public debate shows slippage in our culture.
I know my way around the MAJOR LGBT forums, and the vast majority of them had
ads announcing Buttars-Palooza. That means 80% of LGBTs NATIONALLY heard about
this event. 5 to 9 per cent of America is LAUGHING at Buttars and Utah.
I think this rally should become an annual event.
watch Religulous. You guys are too hateful for words.
A Philosopher once said, "To each of us is given a life, to live with Honor, and
to Pass on having left our Mark." Very few of us leave much of a Mark on the
land other than that of our "Seed."How sad it is that those who have
the "same sex attraction" will leave nothing. They pour their "Seed" away
because of their vain beliefs.
I was siding with the against-buttars crowd until this.Now I must
admit that Buttar's might have been spot on!
I was there in support of the rally around 2:00 pm when "the largest crowd was
present" and there was not even over five hundred people there. There were more
than I expected but certainly not over 1000. And BTW he got his numbers from the
Utah State Highway Patrol which was doing crowd control up on the hill that day.
The same old tired arguments justifying bigotry were used in the '50's pro
segregation rally's. Desegregation will destroy the fabric of society, our
country will go down the path of destruction, I have heard it all before growing
up in East Texas in the '50's. I saw upstanding religious folks hurl insults and
more at African Americans marching for equal rights. It seems nothin has
changed, there is always a boogie-man to bring the tribe together in a us
against them campaign.
The day shall come when Evil shal be called Good, and Good shall be called
Evil.That day is today.
I think this is a good thing. Buttars is one of the most offensive people in
office today. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but he doesn't need to
be so disgusting about it. Let's bring equality to this nation!! Isn't that what
America is about? It should be.
@JBBrain autopsies of known gay men have found more connections between
the two hemispheres than straight men.Did I chose that too?
chose should been choose in last post
What a totally ignorant and thoughtless statement. To the billion Chistians
world wide the bible is NOT just a book and I am sorry to burst your bubble of
ignorance but the very definition of moral and imoral behavior would be
meaningless without the bible. Without a moral standard we sink to the "animal
level" and society quickly disintigrates. Jesus Christ gave commandments not to
bring misery - but happiness and unlock the destructive chains of sin. There
are MILLIONS of people in the world today whose life has been transformed by
reversing their sinful life and following the teachings and commandments of
Christ. It would be good for you to know a few of these folks and then you would
understand that the bible (and the Book of Mormon) are much more than just books
- they are records that many have given their lives for because of the absolute
importance they have on the happiness of the human species.
There are more people of the "Gay" lifestyle in the USA then there are "Mormons"
lifestyle in the USA. Who is in the minority?
The United States is not a theocracy founded on Christian principles. For all
of you who have found jesus, and it makes you happy, great for you. Really
really great. Now keep your book out of the state. I don't need the bible to
tell me something is wrong that I know is wrong.As for the Majority
argument, this is put out by people who do nut understand how our government is
organized, BRECK, that means you.If the legislature elected by the people
passes a law that is unconstitutional, it is the RESPONSIBILITY of the Judicial
branch to shoot it down.If a referendum passes that is unconstitutional,
it is the RESPONSIBILITY of the Judicial to shoot it down. the judicial
protects the rights of everyone, not just the majority in power.
Why is it that the lunatic fringe in any movement seems to spew hatred and
misunderstanding towards another group. Does the fringe doubt their own
validity? I sort of smile though at those who quote rule of law and that would
protest the way someone voted or on which side they stood. Prop.8 was an
initative that was voted upon. Why did the gays boycott those who voted against
it? Why does some of the religious right bash the gays. Does that not totally go
against what each side "says" that they stand for? I think its okay to express
opinions, but you can literally feel hate oozing out of some.
Could you enlighten me a little more on the gay animals? I thought geese were
hetro and mated for life. I also suppose that there were some gay people in
Noah's time who weren't able to make it on the ark. I can't see what Milt said
that you would think offensive. If gays got left in the rain, so be it. Alot of
folks think gays are out in the rain now. Some think that gays are more out of
it than Buttars. So see, everyone "chooses" what they will think. If you choose
to be offended, you will be.
I have lived in the West for several years now. When I was growing up in the
South, gays did not dare come out of the closet. Had they done so, they may have
been invited to go alligator hunting late at night, and you can guess who might
have been the bait. I think here in the West you do have alot of rights and you
are more tolerated. I don't think that you will ever get the understanding that
you are asking for. You are making a declaration in a most fundamental and
sacred area, that you have deviated from the norm. Please undertand that when
you refer to sex, people get the most awful and unatural visualization. I think
we should all have tolerance for each other. I was just trying to explain what I
think are some of the reasons for intelorance.
I thought I would jump into the frey again. I have a gay cousin named Ned. Ned
is a real good guy and the family enjoys having him around. However, Ned brought
his "friend" to our last family outing. They walked off down the creek away from
the family and were apparently hugging and kissing. One of the small children
came running and said, "Uncle Ned is kissing another guy." What are we supposed
to tell our children. I cannot in good conscience ever tell a child of mine that
that is natural or that the Lord wants us to live that way. I can say don't mind
what Uncle Ned does. Needless to say, I think Ned will be welcome at family
parties, but not the gay friend. Even if I am trying to be understanding, it
doesn't to go over well in our family, and it is extremely hard for young
children to understand.
Latin drag queens? You can't just make this stuff up, it's too weird. Can you
be a drag queen and not be perverted? Seems impossible. Wish I would have been
their for the show.
What about a gay sponsored easter egg hunt to ease the tension and build
understanding. We could hold it at Liberty Park and I think I could likely get
the eggs donated. You all tell me what you think and I'll bring it up at one of
our forum meetings.
I am a veteran of many civil rights activities and marches. I do not think that
I have ever felt closure like I have since President Obama was elected. Although
I know there is still hatred among some, I think the American people have
spoken, and I think we can all hear it loud and clear. My advice to gay rights
activists would be to be the bigger people or person and don't do things like
boycott on Prop. 8. Be visible, let your voice be heard, chose your time and
places. Above all, there are always some who are difficult to control and hurt
more than they help. Be pro- active, let people see a tolerant face. Do some
good things for the community, like sponsoring food drives etc. Things that are
positive and will make people see that everyone can do good. The job is to
persuade, you can't force. Just my thoughts.
Mark,What are the "more connections" between the hemispheres in the brain
in gay men saying?
@NatThat there are cofirmed biological differences between gay men and
straight men. It may also explains gay men being more creative accessing both
sides (subjective and analytical halves) easier.This biological difference
MEANS being gay is not something someone chooses, you are BORN that way.
Love it. So true. If my mind wasn't made up before all these protests, it is
now.I went to Buttars house to talk with him about his comments. I heard
his phone ring off the hook and saw two faxes come in with hate written all over
them. I was pretty convinced by the time I left who the victim was. And it
wasn't the people dancing at this party.
Amen to the Golden Calf
Hey "Equal Rights"...You're absolutely right. No threats to burn the LA Temple,
but it's okay to write and destroy other people's property. Vandalizing is
acceptable right? Give it up! sore losers.
What has previously posted on these boards:"As a student volunteer,
I worked in the BYU Psychology Department/Clinic-sponsored research studies and
I can assure you that these electric-shock therapy experiments to try to cure
homosexuality DID HAPPEN! I was a volunteer helping out with no less than 3
separate studies, each examining aspects of homosexuality, its origins, and its
modifiability. The results of these studies were communicated to Salt Lake and
the Brethren, and it is because the results indicated that homosexuality may be
inborn and is extremely resistant to the most powerful forms of electro- and
chemical- therapies that the Brethren have taken the official stand they have
taken. Officially, same sex attraction is NOT a sin! Only homosexual behavior is
considered sinful in the Church."
@ Church believes biological link.I question your data somewhat. Maybe you
didn't use a high enough voltage.
Dear Gay Folk,I think you have a cause, and everyone should have a right
to live and enjoy life. I really don't appreciate the comments that some of you
have made against Mormons. I also don't care for the snide comments that some
have made against the gays. Historically, I don't believe that gays have
suffered what the Mormon's did, especially in their early history. I agree with
Lem. Quit shouting and show kindness as I'm sure many of you do. Why is it that
many can converse with out trying to insult, but some can't seem to help
themselves. I think that is true on either side of this discussion.A
Catholic in Baltimore
Hey queermark,You do a diservice to the gays. You express you opinions in
the most infantile way on this board. I really believe gays have a cause, but
you are not helping. I think I know you! Are you the guy that comes to McDonalds
in South Salt Lake for breakfast every morning in your motorized chair with the
whip antena and the triangular flag. I think I also saw you at Liberty Park. I'm
going to come introduce myself next time I see you.
This is not a homosexual vs. religion issue. It's supposed to be a human rights
issue.... right? Lem is completely right! Do what you have to do to be
heard, but don't spread more hate and disagreement. Do good in the community,
support each other, and understand that not everybody will agree with you along
I agree with Steve-O. This isn't a issue about homosexual vs religion. It is
about a man who exercised his 1st amendment right to free speech. He
represented himself, not a religion. Which just goes to show that that free
speech is not free and never has been.
@samI am also not in a wheel chair, I walked just fine.
Gay's keep saying that there is no choice in being gay. I think that there is
always a choice with what you do with it. What about the majority of nuns and
priests that have taken vows of celibacy. Do you think that their natural urges
just went away? I think you can say that it is too high a price to pay to not
follow the natural instincts, but I don't think that you can ever say that there
is not a choice. I believe that there are some who choose gayness because
because they like the life style. I think there are many who feel persecuted for
the life style. Just my thoghts.
I've scanned a few comments and noticed that many are arguing over if having gay
urges is 'genetic' 'inborn' or not. I find this to be a ridiculous thing to
argue about. It's not important where the urge comes from. Some people are
born predisposed to anger and rage, some are born with addictive tendencies.
Just because someone is born with a predisposition towards something, doesn't
make it right to act on it. Is it not important to learn to have self-control
and to master the natural man? If you're born with gay urges, that is your
cross to bear. I pray for you. We all have things to overcome in this life.
A question for those who support the GLBT:Assuming that the drive to
Homosexuality is genetically hardwired, would I assume wrong that when we can
genetically alter an individual the Homosexuals will be the first in line to be
changed to Heterosexual?
Did the guy in that article say that racial inequality was a threat to the US?
Do these people realize that a black man was elected president? The whole racial
discrimination thing needs to go away now. The US has shown we don't
discriminate anymore. Get a new cause.