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  • Anonymous
    March 2, 2009 6:27 p.m.

    Buttars, a TRUE MORMONISTA, as are other Utah folks that believe and say the crap he says.

  • RE: James
    March 2, 2009 3:10 p.m.

    I have a step-father who basically lived as a gay man for a number of years with a mate of his choosing. His family hid his homosexuality and jumped down my mothers throat when she refused to stay married to him so that he could enjoy his lifestyle. Today, he is a well liked member of the Ward he is living in and worthy to enter the Temple. However, since the death of his mate many years ago he has refused to participate in the lifestyle. Is he still GAY. Yes, but he is not practicing which is ok with the Church.

    However, if he was still participating he would not be worthy to enter the Temple nor would he probably be a member of the Church. The choices were his to make and he made them.

    Therefore, those of you who say you are born with it are wrong. You may be born with same-gender attraction but it is still your choice to act upon that attraction. Therefore, it is a choice.

  • James
    March 2, 2009 1:01 p.m.

    I am Gay, I'm LDS, A veteran, A talented business owner, and lawyer. I chose to leave UT, my home, and a place I love and relocate myself and business in order to escape legal persecution. A successful, tax payign, employee hiring, job creating, health care providing business, I might add.

    Being fired for being gay, being barred from federal rights of commerce and contract under Amendment 3, These are just a few of the persecutions the legislature has comitted against the gay community in UT.

    I helped organise against Prop 8 in UT and in CA.

    I support Senator Buttar's right to free speech. Even if that speech is hate speech. In fact, I support his right to inciteful speech so long as he assumes the tort liability associated therewith.

    What really makes me ill, is to have the legislators admit openly that they have been governing by backroom agreements, non-transparent governance, a set an-anti gay agenda, and that there are far more biggots in the legislature than we had previously thought.

    I think UT biggots may go the way of AL and KS, and require federal troops to enforce federal protection of gays.

  • panomine
    March 2, 2009 12:16 p.m.

    So it's ok to think gays should be murdered, just don't say it too loud, huh?

    If 90% of the people agree, why the vow to silence?

    I hope Utah citizens who are ashamed of these legislators, speak up and don't remain silent..

    Silences kills...and in this case, GLBT citizens, including especially GLBT youth.

  • Mike
    March 2, 2009 12:25 a.m.

    This whole thing is appalling. First Buttars says some extremely horrible things, then he stands by what he said, followed by others standing by what he said and finally talks about a gag order in our senate like its business as usual.

    Well yet another easy win for gay rights, transparent government and freedom of speech.

    Someone mentioned this made news in Europe. I bet they're getting a good laugh at our ignorant leaders.

    For you religious types, keep your bible out of our government. If you want a holy war, I'm sure you can find one elsewhere.


  • A Mother
    Feb. 28, 2009 7:48 p.m.

    Buttars, Welcome to our group. You are truly one of us.

    Love you, Stalin, Hitler, Mousalinni and friends

  • Scriptorian
    Feb. 28, 2009 5:53 p.m.

    Larry - Let's start with 1 Cor 6:9, Leviticus 18:22, Jude 1:7,

    If it wasn't in the Bible, I would be an activist on their behalf, but it is wrong, and we cannot have this "alternative lifestyle" be prevalent enough to teach in elementary school.

  • tbone33
    Feb. 28, 2009 5:00 p.m.

    Since when does a group defined solely by their sexual behavior accrue special rights? Rights granted to a minority have always been granted in part due to physical traits which unfortunately resulted in a denial of basic rights. The gay community, is in essence a group of people who feel, believe, or choose to have sexual relations whith the same sex. This constitutes a need for rights? By that logic, tobacco smokers deserve special rights, because of the way they are being discriminated against due to their behavior.

  • Andrea
    Feb. 28, 2009 3:30 p.m.

    "This is fear mongering at its best. All states with gay right laws have an option for the parents to keep their children from learning about gays. Look it up."

    That is a fatuous comment. My parents exercised their "option" to keep me out of sex-ed class. That means that I got all the information, but second hand. The only way for parents to "keep children from learning about gays" is to isolate them from it, either by creating a whole culture that agrees not to talk about it, or by keeping them home permanently. Not by sending them to study hall while the rest of the class learns that everything is normal and anything goes.

  • A.B.
    Feb. 28, 2009 1:59 p.m.

    After all the rhetoric, homosexuality is perverse. Justification may come in many forms, but it is just plain wrong. It isn't right to hate. It isn't right to deny any individual or group their rights.
    But to try and justify deviant behavior which I think some have tried to do on this thread, just doesn't wash. Gays, you should have your rights. But understand the fact that because the straight people don't care for your choice, don't try to convince any one that it is normal. Noah would have had troube letting you on the ark! It was two by two, not two of the same.

  • A Utah Icon
    Feb. 26, 2009 5:37 p.m.

    The control freaks spokesperson.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 24, 2009 8:51 a.m.

    watching | 1:36 p.m. Feb. 23, 2009
    "Everyone should be able to have their civil rights in this counry- even those little children, who live in states where gay rights legislation has been passed , who are being forced to stay in their class rooms and learn the glories of the gay life style."



    A little fear, anyone?

    This is fear mongering at its best. All states with gay right laws have an option for the parents to keep their children from learning about gays. Look it up.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 24, 2009 8:48 a.m.

    "Gay people have the same rights as the rest of us. Why should we give them more rights above and beyond what God has already given all of us."


    If we give gays rights that all of us do not have, we will ALL have those rights. They will not have any 'SPECIAL" rights above and beyond what you have.

  • To Nathan Seegmiller
    Feb. 24, 2009 8:47 a.m.

    "Homosexuals are more violent and spew more bigotory than hetrosexual groups."


    Boy, that is a strong statement. Would you care to back this up? You have proof, of course.


    You can show me where homosexuals have beat up and sometimes murdered heterosexuals, just because they are heterosexual. You can show me where homosexuals have gang raped a woman just because she is heterosexual.

    Please provide the facts to back up this statement.

  • To Chris
    Feb. 24, 2009 8:43 a.m.

    "nor have they called upon their members to threaten and cause harm to others because of their practices."


    Homosexuals HAD the right to marry and were marrying in California. Your church call upon its memebers to take away that right. I would call that "harm."

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 24, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    "Why is it hateful when I voice my opinion, but it's not hateful when you voice yours?"


    Because your opinion is keeping rights away from a segment of United States citizens.

    They opinion does nothing to you but makes you question them.

    Can you see the difference?

  • Cyril H. Noble
    Feb. 23, 2009 6:40 p.m.

    So the this 2008 Utah Senate are hoping for some majority votes, in the next two and a half weeks. maybe they should have a prefix of Buttarsgate, to each new Bill they pass in this session, since 90 percent the Republicans think the same way as him.

  • Buttars made a Deal?
    Feb. 23, 2009 3:42 p.m.

    To keep his mouth shut about this issue? And it lasted how long? A month? Grandma had a saying, "you just can't keep the Hogs away from the trough" How right she was.

  • watching
    Feb. 23, 2009 1:36 p.m.

    Everyone should be able to have their civil rights in this counry- even those little children, who live in states where gay rights legislation has been passed , who are being forced to stay in their class rooms and learn the glories of the gay life style

  • Alex Gomez
    Feb. 23, 2009 12:24 p.m.

    I think that Sen. Buttars critics are the hypersensitive, the misguided and the malicious one that choose to read between lines. Isn't it true that the family is the foundation of any society? I really admire Mr. Buttars for being the only one that calls thing by their real name. Mr. Buttars' statement is correct. The Gay and Lesbian organizations that push the same-sex marriage agenda are those who are trying to destroy society by undoing the foundation of traditional marriage between a man and a woman.

  • Dear Anonymous
    Feb. 23, 2009 8:54 a.m.

    You have the freedom to choose your religion. You can take it or leave it anytime you feel is the right thing to do. However, contrary to LDS propaganda (lies)you cannot stop being a Homosexual as you cannot stop being black.
    You may accept or reject this point. But, that wouldn't change it is true.
    Mr. Buttar is just another poor but dangerously missguided soul. We should pray for him.

  • in a sorry State
    Feb. 23, 2009 8:50 a.m.

    Definition, Senator Chris Buttars, A dark, ugly thing.

  • Nathan Seegmiller
    Feb. 23, 2009 6:46 a.m.

    Senator Buttars is a true friend to every Utahn. He has more courage then a lot of people. There is nothing wrong with calling something wrong when its wrong. Homosexuals are more violent and spew more bigotory than hetrosexual groups. We all need to support politicians like Chris Buttars, who are not afraid to voice their opionions. Gay people have the same rights as the rest of us. Why should we give them more rights above and beyond what God has already given all of us.

  • frank
    Feb. 22, 2009 10:20 p.m.

    First the "black baby" comment and now this? This guy isn't just demonstrating his freedom of speech, he's a PERFECT example of how ugly ignorance gets. It's sad and pathetic that some people in this close-minded state see his comments as justified. He is the typical conservative, with the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh, Bush, and Coulture, that uses hate and fear as a means of getting his point across and controlling what people think. Enough is enough, this guy has no room to talk about "morals".

  • Chris
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:17 p.m.

    The church spoke out on a moral issue period. That is their responsibility as a religion. They have not called upon members to protest cities where there is a large number of gays nor have they called upon their members to threaten and cause harm to others because of their practices. It's too bad that the majority of the country has no clue of how much good the LDS church does throughout the world. They give billions of dollars to causes in every walk of life, members or not. Stop harping on the church because of their moral stand and look at the good they are doing.The gay community wants tolerance and understanding from everyone else but are not willing to do the same!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 22, 2009 7:14 p.m.

    If I believe that Homosexuality is not natural behavior, does that mean I hate gay people? Or is that just my opinion and you can take it or leave it?

    Since anyone in this debate who speaks out against gay marriage is immediately called a bigot and a homophobe, apparently voicing an opinion is now defined as "Hate-speach."

    However, isn't it interesting that when a gay rights activist calls the religious folks names, it's not hate speach, it's apparently defined as righteous indignation.

    Why is it hateful when I voice my opinion, but it's not hateful when you voice yours?

    I am getting very tired of being called a Homophobe and bigot simply for voicing my opinion. I don't hate gay people, and I'm certainly not afraid of any of them.

    Get over yourselves and stop acting all insulted and offended when someone stands up and says they disagree with you.

  • Turn the Tables
    Feb. 22, 2009 7:14 p.m.

    I think the LDS faith and its followers are a huge threat to the American way of life. I would say the radical LDS are more of a threat to America than the radical Muslims around the world.

    I'll bet the LDS readers and posters who support Mr. Buttars would probably have pretty strong opposition to the above statement had it been said in a documented interview by a politician.

    But that is a completely different situation right?

  • 49er Joe
    Feb. 22, 2009 7:13 p.m.

    Some senator (Buttars) makes a few comments construed to be anti-homosexual and all you people act like the world is coming to an end. Try living in California where real issues are going on.
    1. Education #47 in the US soon to be #50
    2. No budget deal for 4 months.
    3. Now there is a budget deal, double the car tax, raise gas taxes, double the personal income tax.
    4. An actor for governor
    5. At least we passed prop. 8

  • I wish
    Feb. 22, 2009 7:04 p.m.

    I wish many of you could have been in my Sunday School class today (yes, it was an LDS meeting). We were talking about repentance, and the longest discussion turned to how we treat others--whether it is our place to call people to repentance. The point is, it is our place to call others to repentance. We are not to point out to others they are sinners. We are to love all of our neighbors, pray for them, and treat them with dignity. Why do we feel like we need to point out the sins of others--especially people we probably don't even know very well? It is not our place! Let's allow others to live the best life they can under their circumstances and leave the judgments to their God.

  • shocker
    Feb. 22, 2009 6:40 p.m.

    So the conservatives are squelching Buttars free speech and trying to blame it on the gay community, what a shocker. I agree with Equality Utah he has the right to say what he wants and frankly I love it when he talks he just hurts his own cause. You cant blame the gay community for capitalizing on his stupidly.

  • Flummoxed in Zion
    Feb. 22, 2009 6:37 p.m.

    What an astounding revelation! Even in Utah, just as with the national Republican Party, the emphasis has been on salesmanship, controlling the message and marketing. Unfortunately, the product that they are marketing is riddled to its core with unsavory problems like bigotry, hatred, loyalty to moneyed interests and lobbyists over the best interests of their constituents.

    The lack of moral clarity, the hypocrisy and the blatant self-interest on display with this effort to control the message is profoundly emetic.

    One can only wonder how many other poison pills of public policy they are trying to whitewash as they continue with their legislative activities.

    Wouldn't it be nice to have a better state legislature?

  • Embarassed
    Feb. 22, 2009 6:00 p.m.

    The ironic thing about Buttar's comments is that, indeed, it clearly illustrates that he has a lot in common with the extremists he is comparing the gay community to....namely, intolerance and ignorance. He is an embarassment to this state...

  • wowowwowowo
    Feb. 22, 2009 5:36 p.m.

    Slowly exhale everyone. The senator said something that was highly insulting, unAmerican, and stupid == but that does not mean he does not have the right to speak his mind.

    Go ahead, speak out Senator. The Constitution, which you are spitting on, defends your right to the freedomes you so quickly want to deny others.

    Yes, you are despicable, but you do have the right to be stupid. No one can deny you that right.

  • Joy Bischoff
    Feb. 22, 2009 5:31 p.m.

    To John Galt:

    Forty years ago, the things the Eagle Forum stand for, and their interpretation of the Constitution was considered mainstream and normal. Most conservatives have not moved politically, the rest of the country has. Revisionist history is pretending that the liberal view was the original interpretation of the principles of the founding fathers. If one reads the personal writings of the founding fathers and those they studied like Adam Smith, then revisionist history completely falls apart.

    There is amazing pressure, as Isaiah foresaw, to call evil good. It will take real character not to be swayed by every wind of political doctrine that is now blowing like a hurricane. Don't give in to the lie that to be loving and compassionate means no longer believing in eternal values.

  • For TJParker
    Feb. 22, 2009 5:04 p.m.

    Please - don't take a comment and distort it. "The bulk of the people support 90% of what was said."

    That DOES NOT mean that 90% of the people believe or support what Buttars said.

    Let's don't make a bad thing worse by distorting things.

  • Average Straight Guy
    Feb. 22, 2009 5:03 p.m.

    I am a fairly average straight guy, and I support equal rights for gay people 100%. Including marriage. It is not just "radical homosexuals" who support equal rights for all.

    This is America. All men are created equal. All who support the Constitution should support equal rights for all Americans, including homosexuals. Those who are anti-equal rights for gay people are anti the Constitution and anti-American. To those, I ask, "Why do you not support the Constitution?"

    We have some seriously horrible people in the legislature. And the funny thing is, they seem to think they are going to a good place when they die simply because they go to the "one, true church". I'm thinking if there is a hell, there will be a special place reserved for these bigots, right next to the KKK.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 22, 2009 4:53 p.m.

    What do you expect of a self-righteous, bigoted, neo-Facist wing-nut?

    Like Hitler etal., lies, lies, lies... and the person who tells them.

    Buttars is too much like the analogy of the Scorpion and the Goose. Like the scorpion's nature who cannot help but sting the goose, thus drowning both to their deaths, Buttars nature is his incapacity to keep his word and stick to a deal, if it doesn't fit with his feelings of the moment.

    He is to the Republican party and people of Utah, what the scorpion was to the goose... deadly venom!

    Buttars IS deadly venom. Life is just too cheap for this guy. And that's the bottom line where he's concerned.

  • John_Galt
    Feb. 22, 2009 4:18 p.m.

    Anyone who thinks Buttars is coming up with these things himself, you'd better check out the Eagle Forum website. It is a radical underground movement that is attempting to rewrite the Constitution and turn America into a medieval fundamentalist christian theocracy. When Republican legislators speak of "a majority of [their] constituents," they are referring to one person and her brain-dead followers: the Utah Eagle Forum's leader, Gayle Ruzicka. SHE is the real power behind the State legislature. Her cronies flood Republican caucuses and push for the nomination of people like Buttars, Waddoups, Stephenson, and the like.

  • Jane
    Feb. 22, 2009 3:59 p.m.

    All I can say is -- unbelievable! Stephenson: you are as bad as Buttars. How could you ever possibly in a million years with a rational, functioning brain say you agree with much of Buttars' comments? Your IQ may be fairly high, but your moral compass is in the gutter! There is nothing noble about defending bigotry and hatred! Nothing! (By the way, I'm as Mormon and straight as they come. . . This is not what my Church represents. I'm just sorry they ever got into the whole Proposition 8 thing!)

  • Sophie
    Feb. 22, 2009 3:58 p.m.

    Your state is really starting to head down that slippery slope to fascism very rapidly. Don't go there.

  • Huh?
    Feb. 22, 2009 3:56 p.m.

    How can people "applaud his honesty?" It says that he agreed to not be the spokesperson on this issue in order to promote equality and he blatantly disregarded that? If that's honesty, then I guess my definition of a good Mormon is different that most.

    I used to think he's a bigot. Now, I think he's a prima donna.

  • RE: I
    Feb. 22, 2009 3:53 p.m.

    You analogy is just wrong and doesn't fit.

    We are talking about the arena of politics and ideas,

    there no place the founding father WANTED free speech MORE than these arenas.


    This is not a store!


    So far, and world wide, gays and liberals do NOT want free speech: in politica, the radio, documantaries, books, newspapers, schools, TV, etc...

    the list keeps growing.

    IT seems there is NO place anyone can talk freely,

    and anything considered offensive, or politically correct, atleast to liberals, must be punished and silenced.

    And any opposing it must be silent and accept it.

    EXACTLY where are we going allow free speech and total freedom to exchange ideas, regardless of how offensive to some?

    IS it not a MUST to have free speech in polictics and in the arena of ideas, where we can debate them?

    Or is it liberals do not want debate?

    They gays and liberals try to paint the republican controlled legislature and mormons as being a certain way,

    but it turns out the gays and liberals are just the same, act the same.

    THIS IS NOT ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS, NEVER HAS BEEN.

    It's forcing acceptance of a chosen immoral lifestyle.

  • Half truths
    Feb. 22, 2009 3:51 p.m.

    The gay and lesbian community need to recognize the Buttars has a half truth. For every practice Buttars spends his nights worrying about you can find a handful of gays and lesbians somewhere who do them. Most don't-- just like most straight people don't engage in every practice that can be found in heterosexual porn.

  • St George resident
    Feb. 22, 2009 3:31 p.m.

    Sen Buttar is the only one up there that has cajones. You can represent me anytime Senator

  • Beth
    Feb. 22, 2009 3:27 p.m.

    I get really tired of reading how I need to condone the practice of homosexuality because "that's what Jesus would do". No, he would not. I'm pretty sure that he never rescinded the 10 commandments given to Moses and I'm pretty sure he never rescinded the counsel in the Old Testament relating to homosexuality and bestiality either.

    Yes he did stop those men from stoning the woman, but he told her to "Go, and sin no more." He didn't tell her that her actions were acceptable. Does Jesus love homosexuals? Absolutely! Would he want me to be kind and loving to these people? Absolutely! Does he approve of homosexual actions or heterosexual fornication, which I think is equal to homosexuality in severity, or adultery (which is worse.)? Absolutely not! And do I have to think that homosexual actions are not wrong to be Christlike? No!

    And obviously Buttars constituents agree with him on at least some things because they keep voting him in. I think that the people he represents (or the Senate members) are the only people that can legitimately call for him to resign. He doesn't represent anyone else.

  • Dave
    Feb. 22, 2009 3:14 p.m.

    Hooray for Buttars standing up for freedom of speech. I wish more of our leaders in Utah and around the country would support our constitutional rights instead of stomping them out and giving homosexuals special rights and protections that infringe on everyone else's rights. Homosexuals have been the most intolerant bigoted group I've every seen. Look at the hundreds of churches and chapels that they have desicrated by homosexuals shooting out the windows and vandalizing them. I wish our leaders would crack down and speak out about the bigotry eminating from within the homosexual community and protect Christians from these kinds of retributions.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 22, 2009 3:02 p.m.

    mormons and gays, gays and mormons. we live in a pretty tollerant country don't we?

  • Stop the hate and intolerance.
    Feb. 22, 2009 3:01 p.m.

    "The gays must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the state if necessary for the public peace--their outrages are beyond all description." It almost sounds just like the language Buttars used, except that the preceding passage didn't use the word "gays", instead it used the word "Mormons". How quickly Buttars and his disgusting ilk forget their own history and persecutions. Stephenson, Buttars and ANYONE else that subscribes to what Buttars has said and said in the way he said it, is not any better than Governor Boggs and his extermination order.

  • MOM
    Feb. 22, 2009 2:55 p.m.

    If anyone would know about how to break a deal it would be Stephenson. Do you follow his comments and his votes?

  • l
    Feb. 22, 2009 2:48 p.m.

    Freedom of speech has nothing to do with Buttars being removed from his chairmanship.

    Think of it this way...if a person works at a clothing store and tells people who come in to the store that they are fat, no matter how true or false it is, it will make people feel bad and they will stop shopping at that store. The management is likely to tell that particular worker to stop telling people they are fat, since that goes against the rules of the company. If they keep doing it and are fired, there's no way free speech will protect them. They couldn't be arrested for calling people fat, but they could definitely be fired from their job. Totally different. Freedom of speech is a criminal law issue, nothing to do with civil issues.

    It gets slightly more complicated, since Buttars works for the government, but in effect, it is the same thing. He will not be prosecuted. He will be dealt with according to the rules of the legislature. They do have the right to tell one of their own members to be quiet or lose privileges within that body.

  • Voice
    Feb. 22, 2009 2:46 p.m.

    Homosexuals coined the phrase "sexual preference." That is the biggest lie ever perpetrated. Whether people were created by a god, or evolved from a one-cell amoeba, sexual pairing is a natural law with its primary focus being procreation. If you choose to prefer something that goes contratry to natural law do as Rob(1:02) suggests and be quiet about it.

    This country did not become great by condoning all forms of deviancy, but it might fall if it does.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 22, 2009 2:34 p.m.

    When will the GOP realize liberal reporters are not their friends? Don't they pay attention how media has given the dems a free pass for decades?

  • Buttars not Wronged
    Feb. 22, 2009 2:27 p.m.

    Being on a comittee is a privilige not a right.

    Personally I think Buttars is more abraisive than he needs to be. He says that what homosexuals do is sick, but if you think about it, what hetro sexuals do is kind of in the same category.

    Buttars own tradition is open to question. LDS teach and many LDS believe it is better to die than to go on a date and have sexual relations unmarried. I have heard several LDS say they would rather their kids die than have sex outside of marriage.

    The point is this, we all it seems have traditions that other people could poke at if they have a mind to.

    I don't poke at homosexuals, because I believe they are born that way, and it isn't fair to ask or expect them to live a hollow life.

    Senator Buttars could use some more empathy.

    It isn't his right to be on a committee, so to those who think he was wronged, well the Senate leadership had the right to do what they did, they give leadership positions to those whom they are the most comfortable with.

  • Chris in Texas
    Feb. 22, 2009 2:22 p.m.

    TJ Parker, you're a hoot! You're vigilant about Utah's efforts to reach you in California!?! That's a joke, because the Californians are leaving your state to move to Utah and the other western states. Californians are spreading their views into other states, not the other way around.

    I say, go Buttars go! Good man. Worked for him for 2 years at UBR. He was well respected there and blessed the lives of lots of boys at the facility. And let's all stop using a "happy" label for a filthy lifestyle. They are not "gay", they're homosexuals, sodomists, etc. If the libs are gonna call Buttars a bigot and say that's what he really is, then let's call the homosexuals what they really are and stop giving in to their agenda to legitimize their sinful ways. Something's not good simply because we can loudly, proudly say it over and over again. Bad is bad - and homosexuality is about as bad as it gets.

  • Keith
    Feb. 22, 2009 2:17 p.m.

    Thanks, Southwind, and those who agreed with southwind, for being reasonable.

    Too many LDS fear and distrust "the gay agenda." Their agenda is pretty simple: to be protected from unfair treatment.

    There's some nuance to the LDS beliefs on homosexuality, and if you look at recent OFFICIAL statements from the church you'll see it. But listening to Buttars, and many others, you learn that many members of the church are full of either fear or hatred. They may call it love, but when their statements are tinged with disgust and anger, it's pretty hard to see the love coming through.

  • Buttars is a total disappointmen
    Feb. 22, 2009 2:16 p.m.

    Chris Buttars is wrong guy for the times. He's no economic leader, no educational leader, no judicial leader. He adds nothing to our current state of affairs other than he's the best fear monger I've seen in my lifetime. Fear mongers are really the worst kind of leaders. Calling him a leader is such a stretch. Let's get someone else. Come on WJ, SJ, Herriman folks, help us out here.

  • I am an angry Republican
    Feb. 22, 2009 2:14 p.m.

    I am so angry with Buttars, Waddopus and the "mightier than you" group of guys up there. Where are our elder statesmen? I am a middle-income, LDS, conservative Republican who is ashamed that we have Buttars and others up there as the face of our party. Waddoups doesn't do it for me. He has a shadowy element to his style. That he put Buttars back into power this year, and elevated him to Rules Committee Chair, really irks me. We have Waddopus to blame for Buttars. Without Waddoups wanting Buttars to be back in power we would not be in this mess. Buttars felt emboldened by Waddoups. I'm ready to start over with new leaders. If the Rs cannot get ethics reform legislation done this session we know where these legislators' interests lie--not with the public. These guys have got to watch out. Moderate your politics, moderate your style, live up to higher principles, stop showing such disrespect for minority voices, or else there will be a reckoning. Vouchers didn't go so well for ultra conservatives, did they?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 22, 2009 1:42 p.m.

    I do not disagree with what Mr. Buttars has said and I do support his right, and everyone's right, to free speech. However, the right to free speech does not always cover what you do in your job. Before you say, "yes it does" stop and think about it. Most companies offer "sensitivitiy trianing" or "respectful workplace" dialogues, perhaps it's time to have elected officials participate in these workshops like regular people do. The damage done by Mr. Buttars comments remains to be seen. Mr. Buttars does not speak for the LDS church, the state of Utah or anyone other than Mr. Chris Buttars.

  • Brandon
    Feb. 22, 2009 1:16 p.m.

    I am pleased to see an example being made. It seems, on the surface, like a proper step being taken away from bigotry and hatred in the government, but it is disheartening to learn that it is merely a tactic to prevent a hateful majority from appearing so too transparently. Maybe if more Utahns showed their true colors in public, this sort of thing might become more frequent. One can only hope.

  • re: sob
    Feb. 22, 2009 1:09 p.m.

    It is very judgmental of you to say that a lot of people from Utah hate gays. I believe homosexuality to be wrong but I in no way hate gays. Ask my friends and relatives who are gay and whom I love completely and treat very well. Do not put words in people's mouths, that is just plain wrong. I am sure there are some LDS who do hate gays but luckily, the broad majority are very loving toward them.

  • Rob
    Feb. 22, 2009 1:02 p.m.

    A lot of people are praising Buttars et al for their strong "moral" stand. I am ashamed that some in our community feel it is "moral" to use one's position of authority to preach intolerance, hate, and exclusion of any group. Remember, our ancestors were persecuted by Governor Bogs and others not too many years ago, and their comments about the Mormons and polygamy were almost exactly what Buttars' are today about homosexuals. I have many dear friends who are gay, and all they are asking for is to be left alone to live their lives the best they can, just like anyone else. Let's reevaluate our morality and remember our history.

  • THANK YOU
    Feb. 22, 2009 1:02 p.m.

    SOUTHWIND:

    Your Comment is excellent.

  • Tacobell
    Feb. 22, 2009 12:51 p.m.

    I believe we are at the point to where we can call our country the United States of Sodam and Gomorah. Look at all of the corruption going on. Our own government has ran us into the ground. Its also not safe to put your money anywhere because of all of the ponzi schemes and dishonesty out there. Now we are heading to gay marriage which will be the fall of the traditional family values which have held this country strong from the begining. Chris buttars you are one of the only politicians that are standing up for moral values. All of the other politicians are scared or do not believe in moral values. Go getem Chris.

  • @tom
    Feb. 22, 2009 12:47 p.m.

    tom please drop the false comparisons with bank robber that line is getting old. You and Buttars can believe what ever you want and use your free to spread blatant lies not backed up by the facts to paint a segment of our society as less then human, but I will also exercise my free speech right to call a spade a spade or in this case a bigot a bigot.

  • Steve
    Feb. 22, 2009 12:14 p.m.

    I'm sickened by Buttars' Hate-speech, and by the condolences from the remaining bunch of political bigots on the hill. I'm even more offended by some of these comments that are based on the assumption that everyone in Utah should be living by their values. Leave Utah then? Heavens no. I'd rather be part of changing MY STATE into a community of truly christ like people who understand love and kindness and equality. Please, don't use my Bible as a tool to condemn. You are egregiously incorrect if you think that you may pick and choose which portions of the Bible to live by. All or none, you're christ like, or not. And in this case it appears many of you are not.

  • Randall
    Feb. 22, 2009 12:03 p.m.

    Kick Butt-ars Out Of State Government.

  • Boyd
    Feb. 22, 2009 12:01 p.m.

    @ Phony headline:

    Seriously? Read the whole headline. It says, "Buttars broke vow of silence, senator claims". The story is saying that a senator is claiming Buttars broke a vow of silence. Duh.

  • Darin
    Feb. 22, 2009 11:59 a.m.

    What a bunch of sick politicians we have in the Utah Republican party leadership! They're happy to try to shut up Buttars for the sake of politics, but then turn around and endorse those statements. This is just the tip of it.

    I couldn't agree more with Kevin's post. For all their talk about civility, respect, understanding, and common ground, these guys have revealed themselves as simple bigots, too afraid of gays to even reflect on the natural phenomenon of sexual orientation (straight or gay), and absolutely hell-bent on maligning a group of fellow citizens.

    As I write this, they're sitting piously in church, no doubt, interpreting the Word to justify all kinds of ignorance.

  • hey Tom (7:36)
    Feb. 22, 2009 11:53 a.m.

    I'm sure that gays will just run rather than walk to be "loved back into the fold" by you. Love is the obvious message of your post; everyone responds positively to being called "an abomination" after all. Whose perspective is "dimented" ?

  • Robin
    Feb. 22, 2009 11:38 a.m.

    And Utah wants to be a major player in the World. Only when they admit the hyprocracy will the state become trustworthy. Utah has to act like a Democracy not the Roman Fourm.

  • DustBowl
    Feb. 22, 2009 11:26 a.m.

    Get rid of the bum. He is a disgrace to Utah!

  • What we missed
    Feb. 22, 2009 11:16 a.m.

    The interesting thing hidden within this story is that, apparently, President Waddoups simply lied to all of us on Friday. Just point blank lied.

    Waddoups stated that removing Buttars should not be considered a punishment. Yet we learn here that his removal was - explicitly - a punishment for having "broken his agreement" not to exercise his right to free speech.

    And what was the second point of the press conference? For Waddoups to say how they all stood "foursquare" behind Buttars and his right to exercise his opinions - and how everybody has their right to speak freely.

    Of course, what Waddoups wasn't saying was that everybody was listening to that press conference because he, Waddoups - and the rest of the caucus - had put a gag order on Buttars, and were then upset to learn he had violated the gag order.

    What kind of Senate leadership is this? I've heard of double speak, but come on Waddoups, give us some straight talk (no pun intended) and be a man for heaven's sake. Your handling of this shows, more than anything, that we need some strong and honest leadership on the hill.

  • 90% of Utahns?
    Feb. 22, 2009 11:16 a.m.

    What a LIE! Buttars's demented rantings represent 90% of Utahns? Utah--the Republicans in the state senate are unabashed bigots! Do they represent you? Let's hear your voices! Follow the counsels of Gordon Hinckley and don't buy into this hate-mongering and bigotry that these so called politicians spew from their mouths.

  • xscribe
    Feb. 22, 2009 11:14 a.m.

    Amazing that the Republicans are arguing over who gets to be the spokesperson for intolerance and the "glory" that stems from that intolerance. I also find it amusingly hypocritical that Mormons complain about other religions' and people's intolerance of their faith, yet their own intolerance goes right over their heads. I'd also be willing to be - as I've seen and heard comments from my own Mormon family members - that most Mormons are still intolerant, although silently so, with African-Americans.

  • They don't represent me!
    Feb. 22, 2009 10:59 a.m.

    How do we end up with people like Stephenson and Buttars? If the KKK existed in Utah, they would be members. Surely there have to be better men and women among us who have a Christ-like love and compassion in their hearts.

    I'm LDS and to be honest, I'm not 100% comfortable with a lot of the gay issues, but I am worlds away from the biggotted, extreme comments of Buttars and Stephenson. I'm more offended by Stephenson's comments than Buttars though. We all know Buttars is a bigotted, borderline insane guy with no impulse control. But it's more offensive that Stephenson assumes that the bulk of Utah agrees with 90% of what Buttars said. These guys run in such tight circles that they have no clue what the real world thinks.

  • Christian?
    Feb. 22, 2009 10:59 a.m.

    The LDS Church is a Christian church, follows the teachings Jesus and has my full support. In Christ's time, the Sanhedrin (local Jewish lawmakers), not unlike Utah's legislature, tried to exercise moral authority. They crucified Jesus for challenging their power and loving sinners.

    President Hinckley made the church position very clear, we love the sinner, but do not approve of sin. Homosexuality today is alive and well in Utah and in the United States, but it is grossly outnumbered by it's sister sins of fornication and adultery. I do not hear public out cries to punish these people, but I do hear the cries of their children, spouses and families, who pay the price in broken homes for these actions. I have friends, though faithful LDS, never found a spouse and live as same sex couples rather than alone. Civil unions are not only about sex.

    Comparing gays to terrorists is simply wrong and should be condemned by the faithful in all religions. We should love people and help them, not become as the Sadducees and Pharisees and condemn those who sin. It was Christ who said, "let he who is perfect, cast the first stone."

  • Richard
    Feb. 22, 2009 10:47 a.m.

    More Mormon Bashing, no intelligence or fact, just bashing. That is a very good example of the gays activities. All smoke and no substance. The Intolerance, discrimination and Hate the gays present as their base of their claims, verifies their standing as terrorist. Muslims are doing the same thing, which suggest a connection. We don't Hate gays or anyone else, they Hate us. We are standing for the things we believe and know to be true. That is our RIGHT and we WILL exercise it. The gays Have to understand that we will defend our rights and theirs to speak. We don't have to fabricate stories to prove our point. In their Bigotry and Hate, the gays have to deceive and use force to silence people. The Muslims do the same thing. We will not be forced, intimidated or badgered into sacrificing our principles for the sake of the gays. For years, we have got along with neighbors of all beliefs, now we have terrorist trying to force their will on us. It is not going to happen! When the gays start acting responsibly and intelligently, then we will be able to get along, again, Maybe.

  • Moessers
    Feb. 22, 2009 10:45 a.m.

    The fact that Buttars says these unbelievable ridiculous things is one issue in itself, the fact that so many Utahns are standing up and applauding him is even more unbelievable. But then it again, it shouldn't be.

    If this were 50 years ago you could easliy replace every time Buttars used the word "Gay" for "Negro" and there would be a vast majority of this state in complete agreement with him.

    This is not a morality issue. It's a human rights and civil rights issue. The wonderful thing is, this country is making progress and the small minded, bigoted likes of Buttars are the ones now being forced into the closet because the rest of the civil world won't stand for their archiac views anymore.

  • pastol
    Feb. 22, 2009 10:41 a.m.

    You all missed the single most important sentence in the article. When Buttars claimed that he alone killed any gay-rights bills, Stephenson stated: "For him to claim the glory for that, truly he's delusional on this issue." You see? They are bickering over who gets to be the biggest bigot, who gets the glory for being the most homophobic. Now do you see why they shut him down?

    By the way, yes he has, as all Americans do, the right to free speech. And the Senate also has the right to strip him of his posts when he ignores agreements. Misbehavior does have consequences. His right to free speech is in no way being infringed upon.

    Who Buttars does or does not speak for in this matter is immaterial. The fact that the Senate of Utah is arguing over who gets the credit as the most outspoken hatemonger is absolutely horrific.

  • Greg
    Feb. 22, 2009 10:38 a.m.

    It does seem like the last great battle on the gay rights saga will occur right here in Utah. The Common Ground rights are given to the glbt community on all sids of us. The questions is not if a final battle will occur or not...the question is....do we want the "last stand" for "morality" to be at the slc temple gates? We should ask George Custer how that "last stand" thing worked for him??

  • TJ Parker
    Feb. 22, 2009 10:35 a.m.

    By the way, I'd just like to agree with a poster above: please, Senator Buttarse, don't let your collegues muzzle you. You're doing more to galvanize the gay rights movement than we could possibly do without you! Heck, this story itself has reached Europe, where they're no hearing about Utah, where the Neantherthals still roam the earth.

    By all means, please continue to give voice to all those hidden thoughts that your collegues, intimidiated by some notion of propriety and shame, are reluctant to expose! We want to hear you! Stand up and shout! Its your right!

    Somebody please give that Senator a soapbox!

  • Albemar
    Feb. 22, 2009 10:24 a.m.

    What kinds of human being denies their fellow human beings basic civil rights? One without a heart or an ounce of compassion? I don't understand how you convert people to your "morals" by denying another human being their basic civil rights and access to protections you have, yet won't share with another human being?

    HOW DO YOU DENY BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS THAT YOU HAVE BUT WON'T ALLOW ANOTHER HUMAN BEING TO...
    Visit their loved one in the hospital.
    Not loose their job due to discrimination.
    Protections to make funeral plans for their spouse.
    Guaranteed inheritance rights without challenges.
    Protection against discrimination in housing.
    Health care access for their spouse and children.
    Sue a drunk driver who kills their spouse.

    If anyone wonders why people perceive extreme conservatives as intolerant and uncaring, maybe this highlights why they feel their rhetoric is mean spirited and lacks any love.

  • Instereo
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:58 a.m.

    What governor Boggs did as a representative of the state of Missouri in calling for an extermination order against the Mormons based on his "Moral" outrage was wrong then.

    The "Moral" outrage of a state senator in Utah against a group of people because they are different is just as wrong today.

    Free Speech applies to individuals not the state. The state is to constituionally protect the rights of individuals for each others "Moral" outrages. The state isn't supposed to participate in or perpetrate against a group of citizens it's supposed to protect.

    I don't care what people want to condemn in their churches as a "Moral" outrage but I do care if they use the state as a vehicle to enforce their hate.

    At least Howard Stevenson has the restraint to keep his opinions to himself as a representative of the state. When Chris Butters leaves the government, I won't question his free speech rights but as long as he's a member of our state government, he needs to keep his opionions to himself and use his influence to protect all citizens instead of just some.

  • Tbone70
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:55 a.m.

    Perspective: I am a 50ish white male, member of the (used to be) predominant religion in Utah in good standing, a classic Westerner, despise the gay lifestyle for what it represents, BUT DO NOT DESPISE GAYS (well, I guess, only the ones who really do have an active destructive hateful agenda [yes, you are out there; don't deny it]), and I am sorrowful that it has come to this. Chris, shut your mouth and go away; you tore up your human card. And, for whatever it's worth, his comments DO NOT respresent 90% of my state, and my church, and my own sentiments.

  • grundle
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:35 a.m.

    The statements by Stephenson are disingenuous at best The comments in question (Buttars) were made over a year agolong before a deal was made.

    What is sad about all of this is that people are focusing on the lightning rod (Buttars) and not on the obvious, transparent, and concerted effort and timing of all of this.

    Wake up people There is an agenda and it is playing into the GLBT hands beautifully!

  • Phoebe
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:34 a.m.

    Tom,

    If your post is an example of how you would like to "love gays back into the fold," I think most gays would take a pass on that kind of "love."

    As I recall, Jesus spent a lot of time telling us to love one another and to "not cast the first stone." All the mean-spirited anti-gay rhetoric posted on these boards strikes me as the exact opposite of what jesus taught.

    Why do conservative Christians get so wound up about sexual issues and remain so relatively indifferent to the issues that Jesus really focused on, like living peacefully and helping the poor?

  • evensteven
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:31 a.m.

    Even on these boards, we see that disagreement equals hate. One can not legitimately believe that gay behavior or the gay lifestyle is harmful without being labeled a bigot and hateful.

    And, where does this idea of free speech with accountability come from? Accountable to whom and for what? Aside from public safety (shouting fire) and questions of honor (libel, slander, defamation) free speech is a no-strings-attached proposition. Those who would shout down an idea instead of debating its merits are censors and tyrants of the worst sort.

    We may not like or agree with what is said, but let us never deny one the right to say it. If we do not agree, let us vigorously debate and rebut without all the name calling that now saturates what passes for debate.

    Buttars spoke his mind and many clearly agree with him. Those who do not should practice the tolerance they so easily preach.

  • seriously
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    My grandpa speaks like Buttars. My grandpa is nuts too.

  • Fredd
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:20 a.m.

    Try this again, so if I can organize the majority in my state to say Mormonism is immoral and pass an amendment banning Mormonism, you all are okay with that?

  • amazing
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:19 a.m.

    The repubs in a closed door conf. tell one of their own to shut up about being bigotted, so that they can control the legislation without upsetting the people and the freedoms that they expect. "Let's be bigotted but not let anyone know..."

    The gop is bankrupt.

    So embarasssing........ so utterly embarassing...... is this Russia?????????

  • Bart
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:18 a.m.

    Mr. Buttars' picture shown above says it all! What an embarassment to this state.

  • Cougar Blue
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:17 a.m.

    This "moral compass" I hear debated on this post is getting them lost in the dark. What ignorant things to say to anybody. Can someone just put a gag order on this jerk?

  • Where's the Retraction?
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:13 a.m.

    Since the Buttars story broke the loud and oft repeated talking point from the right wing has been "his free speech is being denied by the homosexuals terrorists". So where is the public retraction now we know it was the Republican Caucus that silenced him?

    It wasn't political correctness, gay activists, or the liberal media. It was a closed door committee of Republicans.

  • WHOA, Kevin,
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:12 a.m.

    Do I detect a little racism in your post? After the last Butars kerfuffle, you should know that derisively calling something dark or black is PC verboten.

  • sandylandgirl
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:07 a.m.

    Actually this makes it even worse. He promised his OWN fellow "quiet" bigots that he would shut his trap and then opened it. If his own fellow senators cannot trust him how would anyone expect his constituents to trust him. And I love seeing all these little homophobes being interviewed in Herriman and such, it is nice to see the face of our community...a face the whole country is looking at in disbelief and disgust. SAD.

  • Hey Tom
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:07 a.m.

    Your views are shaped by the bible and book of mormon, and based on this you expect others to follow suit and 'return to the fold'. When did I lose the right to religious freedom that seems so prevalent with those in your world? I think the book of mormon is fiction, and that the bible is one of the most abused books there is. When did I lose the right to think that; when did our constitution fail? How come you and the demented senator get to pick which holy books, and which parts of them, should justify public policy? Tell you what, tom, I'm not gay. But you belong to a 'fold' I want nothing to do with.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:04 a.m.

    C'mon, when will responsible people stop using the euphemisn 'gay' and start calling it 'homosexuality'. Gay means happy!

  • wise, thoughtful and compassiona
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:01 a.m.

    When legislators meet with LDS church leaders each year they are reminded to be wise, thoughtful and compassionate.

    That's not a moral compass. It's moral direction. Buttars and Stephenson don't exemplify wisdom or thoughtful compassion. Instead they practice demagoguery and prey on fear.

    The greatest threat to our civilization isn't sexual immorality. The greatest threat happens when political leaders get caught up in their own power and begin to believe that they're better than everyone else, because of their birth or education or high station.

    LDS religious leaders published a news release that spelled out exactly what kinds of legislation weren't objectionable to the church. They were very specific. Stephenson and Buttars ignored that counsel, as they have a right to do.

    But don't say they're standing up for the majority belief, because they aren't. Don't fool yourself into believing that they're defending marriage, because their positions aren't in line with the views of the church.

    I'm LDS. I'm Republican. I've been married 20 years and have six kids. I hope for a day when our political leaders follow the faith.

  • Daniel
    Feb. 22, 2009 9:00 a.m.

    Stephenson said "I have to tell you publicly that most of what Sen. Buttars said I agree with, however...we, as a Senate caucus, had an agreement that because Senator Buttars has become such a lightning rod on this issue, that he would not be the spokesperson on the issue."

    In other words, they had a behind the scenes agreement that they would skuttle everything Common Ground is doing but talk about it publically in politically correct lies and distortions, which Buttars is unable to do!

    Buttars' comments undermined "everything we've done" - which is to deny people equal protection under the law for no other reason than because they have a different preference in their intimate lives!

    Stowell, R-Parowan, said "I think the bulk of people in Utah agree with 90 percent of what he said"-- Baloney! The bulk (more than 50%) of Utahns support equal rights and individual liberty! But what do you expect from Parowan?! How many horses do they have in that town now?

    The deception of these legislators sickens me. Not one of them can be trusted. If denying equal rights of gays is so wonderful, why hide it? Why silence Buttars?

    HYPOCRITES!

  • uncannygunman
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:57 a.m.

    Well, if it is true that Buttars has yet to suffer any consequences for his vile outburst, then perhaps the Democrats can put the issue front and center on the Senate floor Monday morning.

    Can't the Feds just indict the entire Utah Senate majority as a vast anti-civil-rights conspiracy? There has to be some Reconstruction Era precedent for something along those lines.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:51 a.m.

    Thanks Howard Stephenson, now I know that you are looney too. Butters used extreme speech to make statements about large groups of people. It was ugly and ignorant and hateful. Thanks for being clear where you stand and now I know you don't deserve to be an elected official either. My heart hurts that our elected officials could know so little about caring for people.

  • Let cooler heads take charge
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:46 a.m.

    I wonder which parts of Buttar's comments, Stephenson agrees with and which 10% part he doesn't. I hate it when our politicians talk out both sides of their mouths. At least with Buttars, we know where he stands. I do not agree with the Muslim terrorist connection or the greatest threat to America part of Buttar's comments. The homosexual lifestyle may be religiously immoral but so are heterosexual sexual perversions. A lot of people like to quote Sodom and Gomorrah, but the things going on that city were not just homosexual. My mother is LDS and my father is Protestant. My father said that what he doesn't like about Mormons is that they worry too much about what goes on in other people's bedrooms and in other people's lives while ignoring the problems in their own lives. People are making the "gay question" much bigger than it needs to be. Prop 8 in California forced everyone's hand. Both sides need to walk away from the table and cool off.

  • Larry
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:45 a.m.

    1. Show me in the Bible and Book of Mormon where Sodom was about homosexuality.
    2. Seperation of Church and State.
    3. We need to find someone in Buttars family who is gay.
    4. I was planning on moving my family to Utah in a year for a job, and even though I am Mormon. I changed my mind. I think I'll stay where we are right now.

  • constitutionalist
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:44 a.m.

    Shame on the republicans. Freedom of speech is on its way out with them. When those elected to the legislature cannot speak their mind without being punished by their constituents it is a sad day for Americans. This is not a gay issue; it is a free speech issue. God bless America.

  • Old Lady
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:41 a.m.

    Ya can't get more Utahn or Mormon than me. Born & raised, with all eight of my great grandparents part of the Mormon migration back when. And I am not gay. However, Buttars and his GOP buddies DO NOT REPRESENT ME! His comments and their lack of humanity are a huge embarrassment to me and as far as I can tell, most of my family, friends and neighbors. Bigotry, intolerance and non-compassion are not representative of the vast majority of Utahns. How did we get so far off base with these "representatives"? They hide their true characters behind secret agreements among themselves?

  • liberal larry
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    His comments aside, I find Buttars to be a very sad figure. His pathological need for attention reminds me of Dennis Rodman and his pathetic attempts to garner attention by any means possible.

  • Business Owner
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:28 a.m.

    Every time these guys open their mouths without thinking how to express themselves with at least a modicum of tact, they damage every business person in the state. Every time they pull a stunt like this in such a spectacular manner, I lose clients in other states or have to spend that much more time defending my address instead of pitching my product. Between this and the export of rampant multilevel scamming, Utah is becoming a pariah address for business people.

    Thanks a lot.

  • southwind is right
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:16 a.m.

    I am not gay. I am LDS.

    I am offended by the way these men in the legislature are behaving.

    This is wrong.

    There is no historical evidence for what they are saying. This is all a bunch of fear-mongering.

    These words are license for fearful people to behave badly and it's no wonder gays want a little legal protection.

    How on earth are we supposed to join together and work together for the greatest good of our communities if we have men leading us who would believe such things and then spread it as if it were the gospel. It isn't the gospel and God didn't give his permission for them to say such hateful words.

  • Duct Tape
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:15 a.m.

    Since Buttars popped off, he, his close defenders and many on these comment boards claim that gays, the left wing media, and other sinners want to take away his right to speech while protecting their own.
    Now the truth comes out. It was the Republican senate that put the Duct Tape over Buttars's own mouth, not some made up boogyman. They wanted him silenced.
    They know he is a bigot. They know he would make them look bad. They know he's a powderkeg. They are the ones who tried to shut him up by putting a gag on him.
    Dear friends of Buttars: That is called Prior Restraint, and if you learned your history you know that's worse that what you accuse Buttars' detractors of doing. Time for you to put your bible thumping aside and look at what is really going on.

  • Kathy
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:10 a.m.

    Since when has history EVER been kind to the Mormon faith Kevin? If there was ever a group that understood what it was like to be persecuted, hated, or having every single civil right they possessed trampled on, this would be the one. (Can you name any other group or religion in our "land of the free" who until only recently had an extermination order against them in the law books of Illinois, encouraging their citizens to hunt down and kill every man, woman or child who was a member of this faith?) Unbelievably it has been a standing order all these years and was only rescinded with barely an apology just a few years ago. Talk about politically incorrect, but it didn't even make the headlines of most major newspapers. Imagine if that had happened to the gay coalition? We'd still be talking about it. I for one am tired of hearing blame for every possible problem in the state of Utah or elsewhere in this country being heaped upon the shoulders of this faith. Please, find a different target for your hate. I think they have had enough.

  • Tiani Coleman
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:10 a.m.

    This is pathetic. Having served as Chair of the SL County Republican Party, I feel for Senator Waddoups having to deal with the egos, personalities, infighting and immature demands by many.
    Senator Waddoups conveyed a sincere desire to do what is best for the Senate after expressing a commitment to free speech, but taking into consideration all of the various demands by so many different groups (not only the democrats, the media, the LBGT community, but apparently conflicting demands from within the Party as well).
    This convtroversy could be drawing to a close, but now we have to read this, which makes it worse, not better. The irony is that I don't think Stephenson et. al. were appointed to speak for Waddoups.

  • I agree
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:07 a.m.

    With Kevin, that is.

    History will not be kind to Mormons.

    First, we've got all these lawmakers in Salt Lake City who believe that they have a directive from God to rule a state according to their own interpretation of the commandments.

    Second, we have those lawmakers restricting the free and open speech of their elite club members.

    And then, of course, we have a host of citizens who believe that sexual practices bring civilizations to ruin, when it's actually only lawmakers that claim the illustrious title of society destroyers.

    Think about it. Kings and magistrates hired men to write the scriptures. They had a gullible, pious market to sell their canon to. If they wrote the truth, that empire building and taxes destroy nations, then they had a very hard time getting taxes and soldiers to do their dirty work.

    If, on the other hand, the people could be made to believe that their own sexual habits would be their ruin . . .

    Here we have law makers once again telling us that the citizens are at fault for our nation's demise, when it's actually their own fault. Shame on them.

  • Phony headline
    Feb. 22, 2009 7:39 a.m.

    The headline gives the clear message that he vowed to be silent, but your own story doesn't say that.
    Des.News you do a disservice to your customers, when you do stuff like that.

  • Tom
    Feb. 22, 2009 7:36 a.m.

    So, if we say Gays live an immoral lifestyle and are an abomination on the face of society and are threat to our families and the core moral values of our society, we are to be labeled "bigots". If we call someone who robs a bank a thief....we're "bigots". This may be news to you homosexuals but we live as directed by the Bible and the Book of Mormon, not according to your dimented perspective. We want you to repent and return to the fold. We do not want to excoriate you or tar and feather you or to exact any measure of punishment on you but we want to love you back into the fold. Your "in your face", "take us as we are or shut up" attitude is what prevailed in Sodom. We pray for you.

  • Southwind
    Feb. 22, 2009 7:35 a.m.

    The kind of extreme language used by Sen Buttars to describe the personalities of Utah fellow citizens is NOT representative of "90%" of our population. I am not gay, but I was taught to act and speak civilly and to treat all people with the respect they deserve. Children and grownups follow the examples of their leaders. The language used by Sen Buttars and endorsed apparently by many of our lawmakers provides the license for others ratchet up the hateful discord another notch. This discussion is important and needs to be elevated. The process is almost important as the issue itself. What are the lessons we are teaching our children? They are watching, listening and they follow our example.

  • Laura
    Feb. 22, 2009 7:26 a.m.

    Senator Buttars, thank you for all the work you've done. You are one of the true politicians who represent the people. Your voting record is impeccable. Your fight for the people YOU REPRESENT is exemptlary. If we had more representatives of action and honor we would not be in the mess we are in. If we had a governor who was a little less politician and a little more representative.....many of our Utah woes would be solved. You've been punished for telling the truth regardless of any secret oath you took. That in itself speaks volumes to me. Bravo!

  • sob
    Feb. 22, 2009 7:20 a.m.

    although i don't agree with the gay life style, i think it is interesting that utah of all places, with a history of its founders being treated with such bigotry would be the beacon of such thinking in america now. lds missionaries will be seen in that light too. if the church is going to announce a position of support for civil rights on one hand, you can't tell the world that 90% of the church HATES gays on the other.

  • Brigham
    Feb. 22, 2009 7:07 a.m.

    Expecting one to be silent about a moral issue is asinine. Let him speak and quit punishing him for doing so.

  • Roosevelt Reader
    Feb. 22, 2009 6:58 a.m.

    Interesting that a "documentary filmmaker", who is gay, choose to "document" Sen. Buttars. I would like to see a list of his other "documentary films".

    If Senators Stephenson and Stowell agree with most of what Sen. Buttars said, and think the bulk of people in Utah also agree, why is he being stripped of leadership posts? Oh yea, because of an "agreement" in the caucus.

    Sounds to me as if the senate is as spineless as our govenor on this issue. Thank heaven the "equality" bills were killed in the house. The senate probably wouldn't have.

    I say to Sen. Buttars, "Don't let your wimpy colleauges talk you into resigning over this issue!!"

  • What did he really say?
    Feb. 22, 2009 6:57 a.m.

    We'd love to hear what he actually said, not just some reporters' opinions of it.
    We'll bet it would not be nearly as dark as it is being painted, because...

    In his previous incident, about some legislation being a "dark, ugly thing", I saw and heard the actual context of his words. Then the media reported a sound-bite, and the opinionated ran away with that, making it sound far worse than the original. And repeated and repeated and repeated it, until "everyone" thought that was the whole story.

    I may not like his way of saying things, but neither do I like most politicians' way. Whether I agree with him or not, he does have the right to speak freely. Or at least in the America I remember.

  • Bob B. Plattsburgh, NY.
    Feb. 22, 2009 6:19 a.m.

    Keep up the great work Sen. Buttars. Your courage is a breath of fresh air amongst all the smog.

  • Kevin
    Feb. 22, 2009 6:06 a.m.

    This is worse. Stephenson has revealed the rest of the senators' hearts are just as black as Buttars'. They're just framing their statements more tactfully.

    This proves that all the talk about marriage has been totally bogus. It's never been about protecting traditional marriage, as we've been told. They all just think that homosexuals are immoral degenerates unworthy of rights.

    History will not be kind to the Mormon religion.

  • TJ Parker
    Feb. 22, 2009 6:01 a.m.

    This is fascinating. Utah legislators apparently battling over civil rights issues, and it all reduces to a PR campaign over how public they should be in their bigotry. What a horrible place Utah must be if these guys are indeed representative of 90% of the populace. Its no wonder that they want to control their public image: we in California are now more vigilant and observant of your efforts to reach across borders and amend our constitution with your antiquated barbarism.

  • Lij David
    Feb. 22, 2009 5:48 a.m.

    Utah state REPUBLICAN legislators that is.

  • Lij David
    Feb. 22, 2009 5:46 a.m.

    So most or all of the Utah state legislators are just as bigotted and homophobic as Buttars. But theyre too cowardly to say anything about it.

    Ok....

  • Stand for your Beliefs!
    Feb. 22, 2009 5:42 a.m.

    Isn't it something to be admired that a person stands-up for their deeply held beliefs on moral issues even in the face of withering criticism and ever-changing "popular" opinion? Whether we agree with that person or not? I'm disgusted by Senate Leadership which punished Buttars for simply voicing his deeply held beliefs in what he thought was an "off-the record" setting. I'm so tired of the political correctness police. It's driving a lot of us the other way, we're getting so fed-up!

  • Be Brave, Rare Attributes
    Feb. 22, 2009 5:36 a.m.

    It's a difficult thing for a public figure to hold to their beliefs and stand up for what they think is right, even it it isn't the "politically correct" thing to do. Though I do not agree with these legislators on many things I applaud their honesty and integrity for representing their honest beliefs.

    Thank you Mr. Buttars, Mr.Stevenson, and other political leaders who chose not to take the popular stance but chose to follow their moral compass.

  • Bob 2
    Feb. 22, 2009 4:38 a.m.

    Show this guys unattractive mug and at every opportunity. Let him be a shining beacon and the face of intolerance in our state. Let your kids know him well and please Chris----keep 'em coming. Obama in 2012!

  • Gag Orders?
    Feb. 22, 2009 4:32 a.m.

    The legislators are really hitting rock bottom when they have to put gag orders on each other to restrict their freedoms of speech. I wonder how many laws were passed or influenced by gag orders? I would expect that all elected officials speak their minds with unrestricted speaking. He was and never did make any claims that his comments were in any way associated with all or part of the legislative body. He has the right as a citizen and the responsibilty as an elected official to be open and transparent with the public. If it hurts his standing with citizens is one thing but for other legislators to put gag orders on each other is rediculous and irresponsible government.