The legislators are really hitting rock bottom when they have to put gag orders
on each other to restrict their freedoms of speech. I wonder how many laws were
passed or influenced by gag orders? I would expect that all elected officials
speak their minds with unrestricted speaking. He was and never did make any
claims that his comments were in any way associated with all or part of the
legislative body. He has the right as a citizen and the responsibilty as an
elected official to be open and transparent with the public. If it hurts his
standing with citizens is one thing but for other legislators to put gag orders
on each other is rediculous and irresponsible government.
Show this guys unattractive mug and at every opportunity. Let him be a shining
beacon and the face of intolerance in our state. Let your kids know him well and
please Chris----keep 'em coming. Obama in 2012!
It's a difficult thing for a public figure to hold to their beliefs and stand up
for what they think is right, even it it isn't the "politically correct" thing
to do. Though I do not agree with these legislators on many things I applaud
their honesty and integrity for representing their honest beliefs. Thank you Mr. Buttars, Mr.Stevenson, and other political leaders who chose not
to take the popular stance but chose to follow their moral compass.
Isn't it something to be admired that a person stands-up for their deeply held
beliefs on moral issues even in the face of withering criticism and
ever-changing "popular" opinion? Whether we agree with that person or not? I'm
disgusted by Senate Leadership which punished Buttars for simply voicing his
deeply held beliefs in what he thought was an "off-the record" setting. I'm so
tired of the political correctness police. It's driving a lot of us the other
way, we're getting so fed-up!
So most or all of the Utah state legislators are just as bigotted and homophobic
as Buttars. But theyre too cowardly to say anything about it. Ok....
Utah state REPUBLICAN legislators that is.
This is fascinating. Utah legislators apparently battling over civil rights
issues, and it all reduces to a PR campaign over how public they should be in
their bigotry. What a horrible place Utah must be if these guys are indeed
representative of 90% of the populace. Its no wonder that they want to control
their public image: we in California are now more vigilant and observant of your
efforts to reach across borders and amend our constitution with your antiquated
This is worse. Stephenson has revealed the rest of the senators' hearts are just
as black as Buttars'. They're just framing their statements more tactfully. This proves that all the talk about marriage has been totally bogus.
It's never been about protecting traditional marriage, as we've been told. They
all just think that homosexuals are immoral degenerates unworthy of rights.History will not be kind to the Mormon religion.
Keep up the great work Sen. Buttars. Your courage is a breath of fresh air
amongst all the smog.
We'd love to hear what he actually said, not just some reporters' opinions of
it. We'll bet it would not be nearly as dark as it is being painted,
because...In his previous incident, about some legislation being a
"dark, ugly thing", I saw and heard the actual context of his words. Then the
media reported a sound-bite, and the opinionated ran away with that, making it
sound far worse than the original. And repeated and repeated and repeated it,
until "everyone" thought that was the whole story.I may not like his
way of saying things, but neither do I like most politicians' way. Whether I
agree with him or not, he does have the right to speak freely. Or at least in
the America I remember.
Interesting that a "documentary filmmaker", who is gay, choose to "document"
Sen. Buttars. I would like to see a list of his other "documentary films".If Senators Stephenson and Stowell agree with most of what Sen. Buttars
said, and think the bulk of people in Utah also agree, why is he being stripped
of leadership posts? Oh yea, because of an "agreement" in the caucus.Sounds to me as if the senate is as spineless as our govenor on this issue.
Thank heaven the "equality" bills were killed in the house. The senate probably
wouldn't have.I say to Sen. Buttars, "Don't let your wimpy
colleauges talk you into resigning over this issue!!"
Expecting one to be silent about a moral issue is asinine. Let him speak and
quit punishing him for doing so.
although i don't agree with the gay life style, i think it is interesting that
utah of all places, with a history of its founders being treated with such
bigotry would be the beacon of such thinking in america now. lds missionaries
will be seen in that light too. if the church is going to announce a position of
support for civil rights on one hand, you can't tell the world that 90% of the
church HATES gays on the other.
Senator Buttars, thank you for all the work you've done. You are one of the
true politicians who represent the people. Your voting record is impeccable.
Your fight for the people YOU REPRESENT is exemptlary. If we had more
representatives of action and honor we would not be in the mess we are in. If
we had a governor who was a little less politician and a little more
representative.....many of our Utah woes would be solved. You've been punished
for telling the truth regardless of any secret oath you took. That in itself
speaks volumes to me. Bravo!
The kind of extreme language used by Sen Buttars to describe the personalities
of Utah fellow citizens is NOT representative of "90%" of our population. I am
not gay, but I was taught to act and speak civilly and to treat all people with
the respect they deserve. Children and grownups follow the examples of their
leaders. The language used by Sen Buttars and endorsed apparently by many of
our lawmakers provides the license for others ratchet up the hateful discord
another notch. This discussion is important and needs to be elevated. The
process is almost important as the issue itself. What are the lessons we are
teaching our children? They are watching, listening and they follow our
So, if we say Gays live an immoral lifestyle and are an abomination on the face
of society and are threat to our families and the core moral values of our
society, we are to be labeled "bigots". If we call someone who robs a bank a
thief....we're "bigots". This may be news to you homosexuals but we live as
directed by the Bible and the Book of Mormon, not according to your dimented
perspective. We want you to repent and return to the fold. We do not want to
excoriate you or tar and feather you or to exact any measure of punishment on
you but we want to love you back into the fold. Your "in your face", "take us
as we are or shut up" attitude is what prevailed in Sodom. We pray for you.
The headline gives the clear message that he vowed to be silent, but your own
story doesn't say that. Des.News you do a disservice to your customers,
when you do stuff like that.
With Kevin, that is.History will not be kind to Mormons.First, we've got all these lawmakers in Salt Lake City who believe that they
have a directive from God to rule a state according to their own interpretation
of the commandments.Second, we have those lawmakers restricting the
free and open speech of their elite club members. And then, of
course, we have a host of citizens who believe that sexual practices bring
civilizations to ruin, when it's actually only lawmakers that claim the
illustrious title of society destroyers.Think about it. Kings and
magistrates hired men to write the scriptures. They had a gullible, pious
market to sell their canon to. If they wrote the truth, that empire building
and taxes destroy nations, then they had a very hard time getting taxes and
soldiers to do their dirty work.If, on the other hand, the people
could be made to believe that their own sexual habits would be their ruin . . .
Here we have law makers once again telling us that the citizens are
at fault for our nation's demise, when it's actually their own fault. Shame on
This is pathetic. Having served as Chair of the SL County Republican
Party, I feel for Senator Waddoups having to deal with the egos, personalities,
infighting and immature demands by many. Senator Waddoups conveyed a
sincere desire to do what is best for the Senate after expressing a commitment
to free speech, but taking into consideration all of the various demands by so
many different groups (not only the democrats, the media, the LBGT community,
but apparently conflicting demands from within the Party as well).
This convtroversy could be drawing to a close, but now we have to read this,
which makes it worse, not better. The irony is that I don't think Stephenson
et. al. were appointed to speak for Waddoups.
Since when has history EVER been kind to the Mormon faith Kevin? If there was
ever a group that understood what it was like to be persecuted, hated, or having
every single civil right they possessed trampled on, this would be the one.
(Can you name any other group or religion in our "land of the free" who until
only recently had an extermination order against them in the law books of
Illinois, encouraging their citizens to hunt down and kill every man, woman or
child who was a member of this faith?) Unbelievably it has been a standing
order all these years and was only rescinded with barely an apology just a few
years ago. Talk about politically incorrect, but it didn't even make the
headlines of most major newspapers. Imagine if that had happened to the gay
coalition? We'd still be talking about it. I for one am tired of hearing blame
for every possible problem in the state of Utah or elsewhere in this country
being heaped upon the shoulders of this faith. Please, find a different target
for your hate. I think they have had enough.
Since Buttars popped off, he, his close defenders and many on these comment
boards claim that gays, the left wing media, and other sinners want to take away
his right to speech while protecting their own. Now the truth comes out.
It was the Republican senate that put the Duct Tape over Buttars's own mouth,
not some made up boogyman. They wanted him silenced.They know he is a
bigot. They know he would make them look bad. They know he's a powderkeg. They
are the ones who tried to shut him up by putting a gag on him.Dear friends
of Buttars: That is called Prior Restraint, and if you learned your history you
know that's worse that what you accuse Buttars' detractors of doing. Time for
you to put your bible thumping aside and look at what is really going on.
I am not gay. I am LDS. I am offended by the way these men in the
legislature are behaving.This is wrong. There is no
historical evidence for what they are saying. This is all a bunch of
fear-mongering.These words are license for fearful people to behave
badly and it's no wonder gays want a little legal protection.How on
earth are we supposed to join together and work together for the greatest good
of our communities if we have men leading us who would believe such things and
then spread it as if it were the gospel. It isn't the gospel and God didn't
give his permission for them to say such hateful words.
Every time these guys open their mouths without thinking how to express
themselves with at least a modicum of tact, they damage every business person in
the state. Every time they pull a stunt like this in such a spectacular manner,
I lose clients in other states or have to spend that much more time defending my
address instead of pitching my product. Between this and the export of rampant
multilevel scamming, Utah is becoming a pariah address for business people.Thanks a lot.
His comments aside, I find Buttars to be a very sad figure. His pathological
need for attention reminds me of Dennis Rodman and his pathetic attempts to
garner attention by any means possible.
Ya can't get more Utahn or Mormon than me. Born & raised, with all eight of my
great grandparents part of the Mormon migration back when. And I am not gay.
However, Buttars and his GOP buddies DO NOT REPRESENT ME! His comments and their
lack of humanity are a huge embarrassment to me and as far as I can tell, most
of my family, friends and neighbors. Bigotry, intolerance and non-compassion are
not representative of the vast majority of Utahns. How did we get so far off
base with these "representatives"? They hide their true characters behind secret
agreements among themselves?
Shame on the republicans. Freedom of speech is on its way out with them. When
those elected to the legislature cannot speak their mind without being punished
by their constituents it is a sad day for Americans. This is not a gay issue; it
is a free speech issue. God bless America.
1. Show me in the Bible and Book of Mormon where Sodom was about
homosexuality.2. Seperation of Church and State.3. We need to find
someone in Buttars family who is gay.4. I was planning on moving my family
to Utah in a year for a job, and even though I am Mormon. I changed my mind. I
think I'll stay where we are right now.
I wonder which parts of Buttar's comments, Stephenson agrees with and which 10%
part he doesn't. I hate it when our politicians talk out both sides of their
mouths. At least with Buttars, we know where he stands. I do not agree with
the Muslim terrorist connection or the greatest threat to America part of
Buttar's comments. The homosexual lifestyle may be religiously immoral but so
are heterosexual sexual perversions. A lot of people like to quote Sodom and
Gomorrah, but the things going on that city were not just homosexual. My mother
is LDS and my father is Protestant. My father said that what he doesn't like
about Mormons is that they worry too much about what goes on in other people's
bedrooms and in other people's lives while ignoring the problems in their own
lives. People are making the "gay question" much bigger than it needs to be.
Prop 8 in California forced everyone's hand. Both sides need to walk away from
the table and cool off.
Thanks Howard Stephenson, now I know that you are looney too. Butters used
extreme speech to make statements about large groups of people. It was ugly and
ignorant and hateful. Thanks for being clear where you stand and now I know you
don't deserve to be an elected official either. My heart hurts that our elected
officials could know so little about caring for people.
Well, if it is true that Buttars has yet to suffer any consequences for his vile
outburst, then perhaps the Democrats can put the issue front and center on the
Senate floor Monday morning.Can't the Feds just indict the entire
Utah Senate majority as a vast anti-civil-rights conspiracy? There has to be
some Reconstruction Era precedent for something along those lines.
Stephenson said "I have to tell you publicly that most of what Sen. Buttars said
I agree with, however...we, as a Senate caucus, had an agreement that because
Senator Buttars has become such a lightning rod on this issue, that he would not
be the spokesperson on the issue."In other words, they had a behind
the scenes agreement that they would skuttle everything Common Ground is doing
but talk about it publically in politically correct lies and distortions, which
Buttars is unable to do!Buttars' comments undermined "everything
we've done" - which is to deny people equal protection under the law for no
other reason than because they have a different preference in their intimate
lives!Stowell, R-Parowan, said "I think the bulk of people in Utah
agree with 90 percent of what he said"-- Baloney! The bulk (more than 50%) of
Utahns support equal rights and individual liberty! But what do you expect from
Parowan?! How many horses do they have in that town now?The
deception of these legislators sickens me. Not one of them can be trusted. If
denying equal rights of gays is so wonderful, why hide it? Why silence
When legislators meet with LDS church leaders each year they are reminded to be
wise, thoughtful and compassionate.That's not a moral compass. It's
moral direction. Buttars and Stephenson don't exemplify wisdom or thoughtful
compassion. Instead they practice demagoguery and prey on fear.The
greatest threat to our civilization isn't sexual immorality. The greatest
threat happens when political leaders get caught up in their own power and begin
to believe that they're better than everyone else, because of their birth or
education or high station.LDS religious leaders published a news
release that spelled out exactly what kinds of legislation weren't objectionable
to the church. They were very specific. Stephenson and Buttars ignored that
counsel, as they have a right to do.But don't say they're standing
up for the majority belief, because they aren't. Don't fool yourself into
believing that they're defending marriage, because their positions aren't in
line with the views of the church.I'm LDS. I'm Republican. I've
been married 20 years and have six kids. I hope for a day when our political
leaders follow the faith.
C'mon, when will responsible people stop using the euphemisn 'gay' and start
calling it 'homosexuality'. Gay means happy!
Your views are shaped by the bible and book of mormon, and based on this you
expect others to follow suit and 'return to the fold'. When did I lose the right
to religious freedom that seems so prevalent with those in your world? I think
the book of mormon is fiction, and that the bible is one of the most abused
books there is. When did I lose the right to think that; when did our
constitution fail? How come you and the demented senator get to pick which holy
books, and which parts of them, should justify public policy? Tell you what,
tom, I'm not gay. But you belong to a 'fold' I want nothing to do with.
Actually this makes it even worse. He promised his OWN fellow "quiet" bigots
that he would shut his trap and then opened it. If his own fellow senators
cannot trust him how would anyone expect his constituents to trust him. And I
love seeing all these little homophobes being interviewed in Herriman and such,
it is nice to see the face of our community...a face the whole country is
looking at in disbelief and disgust. SAD.
Do I detect a little racism in your post? After the last Butars kerfuffle, you
should know that derisively calling something dark or black is PC verboten.
Since the Buttars story broke the loud and oft repeated talking point from the
right wing has been "his free speech is being denied by the homosexuals
terrorists". So where is the public retraction now we know it was the Republican
Caucus that silenced him?It wasn't political correctness, gay
activists, or the liberal media. It was a closed door committee of Republicans.
This "moral compass" I hear debated on this post is getting them lost in the
dark. What ignorant things to say to anybody. Can someone just put a gag order
on this jerk?
Mr. Buttars' picture shown above says it all! What an embarassment to this
The repubs in a closed door conf. tell one of their own to shut up about being
bigotted, so that they can control the legislation without upsetting the people
and the freedoms that they expect. "Let's be bigotted but not let anyone
know..."The gop is bankrupt.So embarasssing........ so
utterly embarassing...... is this Russia?????????
Try this again, so if I can organize the majority in my state to say Mormonism
is immoral and pass an amendment banning Mormonism, you all are okay with that?
My grandpa speaks like Buttars. My grandpa is nuts too.
Even on these boards, we see that disagreement equals hate. One can not
legitimately believe that gay behavior or the gay lifestyle is harmful without
being labeled a bigot and hateful.And, where does this idea of free
speech with accountability come from? Accountable to whom and for what? Aside
from public safety (shouting fire) and questions of honor (libel, slander,
defamation) free speech is a no-strings-attached proposition. Those who would
shout down an idea instead of debating its merits are censors and tyrants of the
worst sort.We may not like or agree with what is said, but let us
never deny one the right to say it. If we do not agree, let us vigorously
debate and rebut without all the name calling that now saturates what passes for
debate.Buttars spoke his mind and many clearly agree with him.
Those who do not should practice the tolerance they so easily preach.
Tom, If your post is an example of how you would like to "love gays
back into the fold," I think most gays would take a pass on that kind of
"love."As I recall, Jesus spent a lot of time telling us to love one
another and to "not cast the first stone." All the mean-spirited anti-gay
rhetoric posted on these boards strikes me as the exact opposite of what jesus
taught.Why do conservative Christians get so wound up about sexual
issues and remain so relatively indifferent to the issues that Jesus really
focused on, like living peacefully and helping the poor?
The statements by Stephenson are disingenuous at best The comments in question
(Buttars) were made over a year agolong before a deal was made.What
is sad about all of this is that people are focusing on the lightning rod
(Buttars) and not on the obvious, transparent, and concerted effort and timing
of all of this.Wake up people There is an agenda and it is playing
into the GLBT hands beautifully!
Perspective: I am a 50ish white male, member of the (used to be) predominant
religion in Utah in good standing, a classic Westerner, despise the gay
lifestyle for what it represents, BUT DO NOT DESPISE GAYS (well, I guess, only
the ones who really do have an active destructive hateful agenda [yes, you
are out there; don't deny it]), and I am sorrowful that it has come to this.
Chris, shut your mouth and go away; you tore up your human card. And, for
whatever it's worth, his comments DO NOT respresent 90% of my state, and my
church, and my own sentiments.
What governor Boggs did as a representative of the state of Missouri in calling
for an extermination order against the Mormons based on his "Moral" outrage was
wrong then. The "Moral" outrage of a state senator in Utah against a
group of people because they are different is just as wrong today.Free Speech applies to individuals not the state. The state is to
constituionally protect the rights of individuals for each others "Moral"
outrages. The state isn't supposed to participate in or perpetrate against a
group of citizens it's supposed to protect. I don't care what people
want to condemn in their churches as a "Moral" outrage but I do care if they use
the state as a vehicle to enforce their hate.At least Howard
Stevenson has the restraint to keep his opinions to himself as a representative
of the state. When Chris Butters leaves the government, I won't question his
free speech rights but as long as he's a member of our state government, he
needs to keep his opionions to himself and use his influence to protect all
citizens instead of just some.
What kinds of human being denies their fellow human beings basic civil rights?
One without a heart or an ounce of compassion? I don't understand how you
convert people to your "morals" by denying another human being their basic civil
rights and access to protections you have, yet won't share with another human
being?HOW DO YOU DENY BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS THAT YOU HAVE BUT WON'T
ALLOW ANOTHER HUMAN BEING TO...Visit their loved one in the hospital.Not loose their job due to discrimination.Protections to make funeral
plans for their spouse.Guaranteed inheritance rights without
challenges.Protection against discrimination in housing.Health care
access for their spouse and children.Sue a drunk driver who kills their
spouse.If anyone wonders why people perceive extreme conservatives
as intolerant and uncaring, maybe this highlights why they feel their rhetoric
is mean spirited and lacks any love.
By the way, I'd just like to agree with a poster above: please, Senator
Buttarse, don't let your collegues muzzle you. You're doing more to galvanize
the gay rights movement than we could possibly do without you! Heck, this story
itself has reached Europe, where they're no hearing about Utah, where the
Neantherthals still roam the earth. By all means, please continue to
give voice to all those hidden thoughts that your collegues, intimidiated by
some notion of propriety and shame, are reluctant to expose! We want to hear
you! Stand up and shout! Its your right!Somebody please give that
Senator a soapbox!
It does seem like the last great battle on the gay rights saga will occur right
here in Utah. The Common Ground rights are given to the glbt community on all
sids of us. The questions is not if a final battle will occur or not...the
question is....do we want the "last stand" for "morality" to be at the slc
temple gates? We should ask George Custer how that "last stand" thing worked
You all missed the single most important sentence in the article. When Buttars
claimed that he alone killed any gay-rights bills, Stephenson stated: "For him
to claim the glory for that, truly he's delusional on this issue." You see?
They are bickering over who gets to be the biggest bigot, who gets the glory for
being the most homophobic. Now do you see why they shut him down? By the way, yes he has, as all Americans do, the right to free speech. And
the Senate also has the right to strip him of his posts when he ignores
agreements. Misbehavior does have consequences. His right to free speech is in
no way being infringed upon. Who Buttars does or does not speak for
in this matter is immaterial. The fact that the Senate of Utah is arguing over
who gets the credit as the most outspoken hatemonger is absolutely horrific.
The fact that Buttars says these unbelievable ridiculous things is one issue in
itself, the fact that so many Utahns are standing up and applauding him is even
more unbelievable. But then it again, it shouldn't be.If this were
50 years ago you could easliy replace every time Buttars used the word "Gay" for
"Negro" and there would be a vast majority of this state in complete agreement
with him. This is not a morality issue. It's a human rights and
civil rights issue. The wonderful thing is, this country is making progress and
the small minded, bigoted likes of Buttars are the ones now being forced into
the closet because the rest of the civil world won't stand for their archiac
More Mormon Bashing, no intelligence or fact, just bashing. That is a very good
example of the gays activities. All smoke and no substance. The Intolerance,
discrimination and Hate the gays present as their base of their claims, verifies
their standing as terrorist. Muslims are doing the same thing, which suggest a
connection. We don't Hate gays or anyone else, they Hate us. We are standing for
the things we believe and know to be true. That is our RIGHT and we WILL
exercise it. The gays Have to understand that we will defend our rights and
theirs to speak. We don't have to fabricate stories to prove our point. In their
Bigotry and Hate, the gays have to deceive and use force to silence people. The
Muslims do the same thing. We will not be forced, intimidated or badgered into
sacrificing our principles for the sake of the gays. For years, we have got
along with neighbors of all beliefs, now we have terrorist trying to force their
will on us. It is not going to happen! When the gays start acting responsibly
and intelligently, then we will be able to get along, again, Maybe.
The LDS Church is a Christian church, follows the teachings Jesus and has my
full support. In Christ's time, the Sanhedrin (local Jewish lawmakers), not
unlike Utah's legislature, tried to exercise moral authority. They crucified
Jesus for challenging their power and loving sinners.President
Hinckley made the church position very clear, we love the sinner, but do not
approve of sin. Homosexuality today is alive and well in Utah and in the United
States, but it is grossly outnumbered by it's sister sins of fornication and
adultery. I do not hear public out cries to punish these people, but I do hear
the cries of their children, spouses and families, who pay the price in broken
homes for these actions. I have friends, though faithful LDS, never found a
spouse and live as same sex couples rather than alone. Civil unions are not
only about sex.Comparing gays to terrorists is simply wrong and
should be condemned by the faithful in all religions. We should love people and
help them, not become as the Sadducees and Pharisees and condemn those who sin.
It was Christ who said, "let he who is perfect, cast the first stone."
How do we end up with people like Stephenson and Buttars? If the KKK existed in
Utah, they would be members. Surely there have to be better men and women among
us who have a Christ-like love and compassion in their hearts. I'm
LDS and to be honest, I'm not 100% comfortable with a lot of the gay issues, but
I am worlds away from the biggotted, extreme comments of Buttars and Stephenson.
I'm more offended by Stephenson's comments than Buttars though. We all know
Buttars is a bigotted, borderline insane guy with no impulse control. But it's
more offensive that Stephenson assumes that the bulk of Utah agrees with 90% of
what Buttars said. These guys run in such tight circles that they have no clue
what the real world thinks.
Amazing that the Republicans are arguing over who gets to be the spokesperson
for intolerance and the "glory" that stems from that intolerance. I also find
it amusingly hypocritical that Mormons complain about other religions' and
people's intolerance of their faith, yet their own intolerance goes right over
their heads. I'd also be willing to be - as I've seen and heard comments from
my own Mormon family members - that most Mormons are still intolerant, although
silently so, with African-Americans.
What a LIE! Buttars's demented rantings represent 90% of Utahns? Utah--the
Republicans in the state senate are unabashed bigots! Do they represent you?
Let's hear your voices! Follow the counsels of Gordon Hinckley and don't buy
into this hate-mongering and bigotry that these so called politicians spew from
The interesting thing hidden within this story is that, apparently, President
Waddoups simply lied to all of us on Friday. Just point blank lied.Waddoups stated that removing Buttars should not be considered a punishment.
Yet we learn here that his removal was - explicitly - a punishment for having
"broken his agreement" not to exercise his right to free speech.And
what was the second point of the press conference? For Waddoups to say how they
all stood "foursquare" behind Buttars and his right to exercise his opinions -
and how everybody has their right to speak freely. Of course, what
Waddoups wasn't saying was that everybody was listening to that press conference
because he, Waddoups - and the rest of the caucus - had put a gag order on
Buttars, and were then upset to learn he had violated the gag order.What kind of Senate leadership is this? I've heard of double speak, but come
on Waddoups, give us some straight talk (no pun intended) and be a man for
heaven's sake. Your handling of this shows, more than anything, that we need
some strong and honest leadership on the hill.
Get rid of the bum. He is a disgrace to Utah!
And Utah wants to be a major player in the World. Only when they admit the
hyprocracy will the state become trustworthy. Utah has to act like a Democracy
not the Roman Fourm.
I'm sure that gays will just run rather than walk to be "loved back into the
fold" by you. Love is the obvious message of your post; everyone responds
positively to being called "an abomination" after all. Whose perspective is
What a bunch of sick politicians we have in the Utah Republican party
leadership! They're happy to try to shut up Buttars for the sake of politics,
but then turn around and endorse those statements. This is just the tip of
it.I couldn't agree more with Kevin's post. For all their talk
about civility, respect, understanding, and common ground, these guys have
revealed themselves as simple bigots, too afraid of gays to even reflect on the
natural phenomenon of sexual orientation (straight or gay), and absolutely
hell-bent on maligning a group of fellow citizens. As I write this,
they're sitting piously in church, no doubt, interpreting the Word to justify
all kinds of ignorance.
@ Phony headline:Seriously? Read the whole headline. It says,
"Buttars broke vow of silence, senator claims". The story is saying that a
senator is claiming Buttars broke a vow of silence. Duh.
Kick Butt-ars Out Of State Government.
I'm sickened by Buttars' Hate-speech, and by the condolences from the remaining
bunch of political bigots on the hill. I'm even more offended by some of these
comments that are based on the assumption that everyone in Utah should be living
by their values. Leave Utah then? Heavens no. I'd rather be part of changing MY
STATE into a community of truly christ like people who understand love and
kindness and equality. Please, don't use my Bible as a tool to condemn. You are
egregiously incorrect if you think that you may pick and choose which portions
of the Bible to live by. All or none, you're christ like, or not. And in this
case it appears many of you are not.
tom please drop the false comparisons with bank robber that line is getting old.
You and Buttars can believe what ever you want and use your free to spread
blatant lies not backed up by the facts to paint a segment of our society as
less then human, but I will also exercise my free speech right to call a spade a
spade or in this case a bigot a bigot.
I believe we are at the point to where we can call our country the United States
of Sodam and Gomorah. Look at all of the corruption going on. Our own government
has ran us into the ground. Its also not safe to put your money anywhere because
of all of the ponzi schemes and dishonesty out there. Now we are heading to gay
marriage which will be the fall of the traditional family values which have held
this country strong from the begining. Chris buttars you are one of the only
politicians that are standing up for moral values. All of the other politicians
are scared or do not believe in moral values. Go getem Chris.
SOUTHWIND: Your Comment is excellent.
A lot of people are praising Buttars et al for their strong "moral" stand. I am
ashamed that some in our community feel it is "moral" to use one's position of
authority to preach intolerance, hate, and exclusion of any group. Remember, our
ancestors were persecuted by Governor Bogs and others not too many years ago,
and their comments about the Mormons and polygamy were almost exactly what
Buttars' are today about homosexuals. I have many dear friends who are gay, and
all they are asking for is to be left alone to live their lives the best they
can, just like anyone else. Let's reevaluate our morality and remember our
It is very judgmental of you to say that a lot of people from Utah hate gays. I
believe homosexuality to be wrong but I in no way hate gays. Ask my friends and
relatives who are gay and whom I love completely and treat very well. Do not put
words in people's mouths, that is just plain wrong. I am sure there are some LDS
who do hate gays but luckily, the broad majority are very loving toward them.
I am pleased to see an example being made. It seems, on the surface, like a
proper step being taken away from bigotry and hatred in the government, but it
is disheartening to learn that it is merely a tactic to prevent a hateful
majority from appearing so too transparently. Maybe if more Utahns showed their
true colors in public, this sort of thing might become more frequent. One can
I do not disagree with what Mr. Buttars has said and I do support his right, and
everyone's right, to free speech. However, the right to free speech does not
always cover what you do in your job. Before you say, "yes it does" stop and
think about it. Most companies offer "sensitivitiy trianing" or "respectful
workplace" dialogues, perhaps it's time to have elected officials participate in
these workshops like regular people do. The damage done by Mr. Buttars comments
remains to be seen. Mr. Buttars does not speak for the LDS church, the state of
Utah or anyone other than Mr. Chris Buttars.
I am so angry with Buttars, Waddopus and the "mightier than you" group of guys
up there. Where are our elder statesmen? I am a middle-income, LDS,
conservative Republican who is ashamed that we have Buttars and others up there
as the face of our party. Waddoups doesn't do it for me. He has a shadowy
element to his style. That he put Buttars back into power this year, and
elevated him to Rules Committee Chair, really irks me. We have Waddopus to
blame for Buttars. Without Waddoups wanting Buttars to be back in power we
would not be in this mess. Buttars felt emboldened by Waddoups. I'm ready to
start over with new leaders. If the Rs cannot get ethics reform legislation
done this session we know where these legislators' interests lie--not with the
public. These guys have got to watch out. Moderate your politics, moderate
your style, live up to higher principles, stop showing such disrespect for
minority voices, or else there will be a reckoning. Vouchers didn't go so well
for ultra conservatives, did they?
Chris Buttars is wrong guy for the times. He's no economic leader, no
educational leader, no judicial leader. He adds nothing to our current state of
affairs other than he's the best fear monger I've seen in my lifetime. Fear
mongers are really the worst kind of leaders. Calling him a leader is such a
stretch. Let's get someone else. Come on WJ, SJ, Herriman folks, help us out
Thanks, Southwind, and those who agreed with southwind, for being reasonable.
Too many LDS fear and distrust "the gay agenda." Their agenda is
pretty simple: to be protected from unfair treatment. There's some
nuance to the LDS beliefs on homosexuality, and if you look at recent OFFICIAL
statements from the church you'll see it. But listening to Buttars, and many
others, you learn that many members of the church are full of either fear or
hatred. They may call it love, but when their statements are tinged with
disgust and anger, it's pretty hard to see the love coming through.
TJ Parker, you're a hoot! You're vigilant about Utah's efforts to reach you in
California!?! That's a joke, because the Californians are leaving your state to
move to Utah and the other western states. Californians are spreading their
views into other states, not the other way around.I say, go Buttars
go! Good man. Worked for him for 2 years at UBR. He was well respected there
and blessed the lives of lots of boys at the facility. And let's all stop using
a "happy" label for a filthy lifestyle. They are not "gay", they're
homosexuals, sodomists, etc. If the libs are gonna call Buttars a bigot and say
that's what he really is, then let's call the homosexuals what they really are
and stop giving in to their agenda to legitimize their sinful ways. Something's
not good simply because we can loudly, proudly say it over and over again. Bad
is bad - and homosexuality is about as bad as it gets.
Being on a comittee is a privilige not a right.Personally I think
Buttars is more abraisive than he needs to be. He says that what homosexuals do
is sick, but if you think about it, what hetro sexuals do is kind of in the same
category.Buttars own tradition is open to question. LDS teach and
many LDS believe it is better to die than to go on a date and have sexual
relations unmarried. I have heard several LDS say they would rather their kids
die than have sex outside of marriage.The point is this, we all it
seems have traditions that other people could poke at if they have a mind to.I don't poke at homosexuals, because I believe they are born that way,
and it isn't fair to ask or expect them to live a hollow life.Senator Buttars could use some more empathy.It isn't his right to
be on a committee, so to those who think he was wronged, well the Senate
leadership had the right to do what they did, they give leadership positions to
those whom they are the most comfortable with.
When will the GOP realize liberal reporters are not their friends? Don't they
pay attention how media has given the dems a free pass for decades?
Homosexuals coined the phrase "sexual preference." That is the biggest lie ever
perpetrated. Whether people were created by a god, or evolved from a one-cell
amoeba, sexual pairing is a natural law with its primary focus being
procreation. If you choose to prefer something that goes contratry to natural
law do as Rob(1:02) suggests and be quiet about it. This country did
not become great by condoning all forms of deviancy, but it might fall if it
Freedom of speech has nothing to do with Buttars being removed from his
chairmanship.Think of it this way...if a person works at a clothing
store and tells people who come in to the store that they are fat, no matter how
true or false it is, it will make people feel bad and they will stop shopping at
that store. The management is likely to tell that particular worker to stop
telling people they are fat, since that goes against the rules of the company.
If they keep doing it and are fired, there's no way free speech will protect
them. They couldn't be arrested for calling people fat, but they could
definitely be fired from their job. Totally different. Freedom of speech is a
criminal law issue, nothing to do with civil issues.It gets slightly
more complicated, since Buttars works for the government, but in effect, it is
the same thing. He will not be prosecuted. He will be dealt with according to
the rules of the legislature. They do have the right to tell one of their own
members to be quiet or lose privileges within that body.
If anyone would know about how to break a deal it would be Stephenson. Do you
follow his comments and his votes?
"The gays must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from
the state if necessary for the public peace--their outrages are beyond all
description." It almost sounds just like the language Buttars used, except that
the preceding passage didn't use the word "gays", instead it used the word
"Mormons". How quickly Buttars and his disgusting ilk forget their own history
and persecutions. Stephenson, Buttars and ANYONE else that subscribes to what
Buttars has said and said in the way he said it, is not any better than Governor
Boggs and his extermination order.
mormons and gays, gays and mormons. we live in a pretty tollerant country don't
Hooray for Buttars standing up for freedom of speech. I wish more of our leaders
in Utah and around the country would support our constitutional rights instead
of stomping them out and giving homosexuals special rights and protections that
infringe on everyone else's rights. Homosexuals have been the most intolerant
bigoted group I've every seen. Look at the hundreds of churches and chapels that
they have desicrated by homosexuals shooting out the windows and vandalizing
them. I wish our leaders would crack down and speak out about the bigotry
eminating from within the homosexual community and protect Christians from these
kinds of retributions.
I get really tired of reading how I need to condone the practice of
homosexuality because "that's what Jesus would do". No, he would not. I'm
pretty sure that he never rescinded the 10 commandments given to Moses and I'm
pretty sure he never rescinded the counsel in the Old Testament relating to
homosexuality and bestiality either. Yes he did stop those men from
stoning the woman, but he told her to "Go, and sin no more." He didn't tell her
that her actions were acceptable. Does Jesus love homosexuals? Absolutely!
Would he want me to be kind and loving to these people? Absolutely! Does he
approve of homosexual actions or heterosexual fornication, which I think is
equal to homosexuality in severity, or adultery (which is worse.)? Absolutely
not! And do I have to think that homosexual actions are not wrong to be
Christlike? No!And obviously Buttars constituents agree with him on
at least some things because they keep voting him in. I think that the people
he represents (or the Senate members) are the only people that can legitimately
call for him to resign. He doesn't represent anyone else.
Sen Buttar is the only one up there that has cajones. You can represent me
The gay and lesbian community need to recognize the Buttars has a half truth.
For every practice Buttars spends his nights worrying about you can find a
handful of gays and lesbians somewhere who do them. Most don't-- just like most
straight people don't engage in every practice that can be found in heterosexual
You analogy is just wrong and doesn't fit.We are talking about the
arena of politics and ideas,there no place the founding father
WANTED free speech MORE than these arenas.This is not a
store!So far, and world wide, gays and liberals do NOT want
free speech: in politica, the radio, documantaries, books, newspapers, schools,
TV, etc...the list keeps growing.IT seems there is NO
place anyone can talk freely, and anything considered offensive, or
politically correct, atleast to liberals, must be punished and silenced.And any opposing it must be silent and accept it.EXACTLY
where are we going allow free speech and total freedom to exchange ideas,
regardless of how offensive to some?IS it not a MUST to have free
speech in polictics and in the arena of ideas, where we can debate them?Or is it liberals do not want debate?They gays and liberals
try to paint the republican controlled legislature and mormons as being a
certain way,but it turns out the gays and liberals are just the
same, act the same.THIS IS NOT ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS, NEVER HAS
BEEN.It's forcing acceptance of a chosen immoral lifestyle.
How can people "applaud his honesty?" It says that he agreed to not be the
spokesperson on this issue in order to promote equality and he blatantly
disregarded that? If that's honesty, then I guess my definition of a good
Mormon is different that most.I used to think he's a bigot. Now, I
think he's a prima donna.
Your state is really starting to head down that slippery slope to fascism very
rapidly. Don't go there.
All I can say is -- unbelievable! Stephenson: you are as bad as Buttars. How
could you ever possibly in a million years with a rational, functioning brain
say you agree with much of Buttars' comments? Your IQ may be fairly high, but
your moral compass is in the gutter! There is nothing noble about defending
bigotry and hatred! Nothing! (By the way, I'm as Mormon and straight as they
come. . . This is not what my Church represents. I'm just sorry they ever got
into the whole Proposition 8 thing!)
Anyone who thinks Buttars is coming up with these things himself, you'd better
check out the Eagle Forum website. It is a radical underground movement that is
attempting to rewrite the Constitution and turn America into a medieval
fundamentalist christian theocracy. When Republican legislators speak of "a
majority of [their] constituents," they are referring to one person and
her brain-dead followers: the Utah Eagle Forum's leader, Gayle Ruzicka. SHE is
the real power behind the State legislature. Her cronies flood Republican
caucuses and push for the nomination of people like Buttars, Waddoups,
Stephenson, and the like.
What do you expect of a self-righteous, bigoted, neo-Facist wing-nut?Like Hitler etal., lies, lies, lies... and the person who tells them.Buttars is too much like the analogy of the Scorpion and the Goose. Like the
scorpion's nature who cannot help but sting the goose, thus drowning both to
their deaths, Buttars nature is his incapacity to keep his word and stick to a
deal, if it doesn't fit with his feelings of the moment.He is to the
Republican party and people of Utah, what the scorpion was to the goose...
deadly venom!Buttars IS deadly venom. Life is just too cheap for
this guy. And that's the bottom line where he's concerned.
I am a fairly average straight guy, and I support equal rights for gay people
100%. Including marriage. It is not just "radical homosexuals" who support
equal rights for all.This is America. All men are created equal.
All who support the Constitution should support equal rights for all Americans,
including homosexuals. Those who are anti-equal rights for gay people are anti
the Constitution and anti-American. To those, I ask, "Why do you not support
the Constitution?"We have some seriously horrible people in the
legislature. And the funny thing is, they seem to think they are going to a
good place when they die simply because they go to the "one, true church". I'm
thinking if there is a hell, there will be a special place reserved for these
bigots, right next to the KKK.
Please - don't take a comment and distort it. "The bulk of the people support
90% of what was said."That DOES NOT mean that 90% of the people
believe or support what Buttars said.Let's don't make a bad thing
worse by distorting things.
To John Galt:Forty years ago, the things the Eagle Forum stand for,
and their interpretation of the Constitution was considered mainstream and
normal. Most conservatives have not moved politically, the rest of the country
has. Revisionist history is pretending that the liberal view was the original
interpretation of the principles of the founding fathers. If one reads the
personal writings of the founding fathers and those they studied like Adam
Smith, then revisionist history completely falls apart.There is
amazing pressure, as Isaiah foresaw, to call evil good. It will take real
character not to be swayed by every wind of political doctrine that is now
blowing like a hurricane. Don't give in to the lie that to be loving and
compassionate means no longer believing in eternal values.
Slowly exhale everyone. The senator said something that was highly insulting,
unAmerican, and stupid == but that does not mean he does not have the right to
speak his mind.Go ahead, speak out Senator. The Constitution, which
you are spitting on, defends your right to the freedomes you so quickly want to
deny others.Yes, you are despicable, but you do have the right to be
stupid. No one can deny you that right.
The ironic thing about Buttar's comments is that, indeed, it clearly illustrates
that he has a lot in common with the extremists he is comparing the gay
community to....namely, intolerance and ignorance. He is an embarassment to this
What an astounding revelation! Even in Utah, just as with the national
Republican Party, the emphasis has been on salesmanship, controlling the message
and marketing. Unfortunately, the product that they are marketing is riddled to
its core with unsavory problems like bigotry, hatred, loyalty to moneyed
interests and lobbyists over the best interests of their constituents.The lack of moral clarity, the hypocrisy and the blatant self-interest on
display with this effort to control the message is profoundly emetic.One can only wonder how many other poison pills of public policy they are
trying to whitewash as they continue with their legislative activities.Wouldn't it be nice to have a better state legislature?
So the conservatives are squelching Buttars free speech and trying to blame it
on the gay community, what a shocker. I agree with Equality Utah he has the
right to say what he wants and frankly I love it when he talks he just hurts his
own cause. You cant blame the gay community for capitalizing on his stupidly.
I wish many of you could have been in my Sunday School class today (yes, it was
an LDS meeting). We were talking about repentance, and the longest discussion
turned to how we treat others--whether it is our place to call people to
repentance. The point is, it is our place to call others to repentance. We are
not to point out to others they are sinners. We are to love all of our
neighbors, pray for them, and treat them with dignity. Why do we feel like we
need to point out the sins of others--especially people we probably don't even
know very well? It is not our place! Let's allow others to live the best life
they can under their circumstances and leave the judgments to their God.
Some senator (Buttars) makes a few comments construed to be anti-homosexual and
all you people act like the world is coming to an end. Try living in California
where real issues are going on.1. Education #47 in the US soon to be
#502. No budget deal for 4 months.3. Now there is a budget deal,
double the car tax, raise gas taxes, double the personal income tax.4. An
actor for governor5. At least we passed prop. 8
I think the LDS faith and its followers are a huge threat to the American way of
life. I would say the radical LDS are more of a threat to America than the
radical Muslims around the world. I'll bet the LDS readers and
posters who support Mr. Buttars would probably have pretty strong opposition to
the above statement had it been said in a documented interview by a
politician.But that is a completely different situation right?
If I believe that Homosexuality is not natural behavior, does that mean I hate
gay people? Or is that just my opinion and you can take it or leave it? Since anyone in this debate who speaks out against gay marriage is
immediately called a bigot and a homophobe, apparently voicing an opinion is now
defined as "Hate-speach."However, isn't it interesting that when a
gay rights activist calls the religious folks names, it's not hate speach, it's
apparently defined as righteous indignation.Why is it hateful when I
voice my opinion, but it's not hateful when you voice yours?I am
getting very tired of being called a Homophobe and bigot simply for voicing my
opinion. I don't hate gay people, and I'm certainly not afraid of any of them.
Get over yourselves and stop acting all insulted and offended when
someone stands up and says they disagree with you.
The church spoke out on a moral issue period. That is their responsibility as a
religion. They have not called upon members to protest cities where there is a
large number of gays nor have they called upon their members to threaten and
cause harm to others because of their practices. It's too bad that the majority
of the country has no clue of how much good the LDS church does throughout the
world. They give billions of dollars to causes in every walk of life, members or
not. Stop harping on the church because of their moral stand and look at the
good they are doing.The gay community wants tolerance and understanding from
everyone else but are not willing to do the same!
First the "black baby" comment and now this? This guy isn't just demonstrating
his freedom of speech, he's a PERFECT example of how ugly ignorance gets. It's
sad and pathetic that some people in this close-minded state see his comments as
justified. He is the typical conservative, with the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh,
Bush, and Coulture, that uses hate and fear as a means of getting his point
across and controlling what people think. Enough is enough, this guy has no room
to talk about "morals".
Senator Buttars is a true friend to every Utahn. He has more courage then a lot
of people. There is nothing wrong with calling something wrong when its wrong.
Homosexuals are more violent and spew more bigotory than hetrosexual groups. We
all need to support politicians like Chris Buttars, who are not afraid to voice
their opionions. Gay people have the same rights as the rest of us. Why should
we give them more rights above and beyond what God has already given all of us.
Definition, Senator Chris Buttars, A dark, ugly thing.
You have the freedom to choose your religion. You can take it or leave it
anytime you feel is the right thing to do. However, contrary to LDS propaganda
(lies)you cannot stop being a Homosexual as you cannot stop being black.You may accept or reject this point. But, that wouldn't change it is true.Mr. Buttar is just another poor but dangerously missguided soul. We should
pray for him.
I think that Sen. Buttars critics are the hypersensitive, the misguided and the
malicious one that choose to read between lines. Isn't it true that the family
is the foundation of any society? I really admire Mr. Buttars for being the only
one that calls thing by their real name. Mr. Buttars' statement is correct. The
Gay and Lesbian organizations that push the same-sex marriage agenda are those
who are trying to destroy society by undoing the foundation of traditional
marriage between a man and a woman.
Everyone should be able to have their civil rights in this counry- even those
little children, who live in states where gay rights legislation has been
passed , who are being forced to stay in their class rooms and learn the glories
of the gay life style
To keep his mouth shut about this issue? And it lasted how long? A month?
Grandma had a saying, "you just can't keep the Hogs away from the trough" How
right she was.
So the this 2008 Utah Senate are hoping for some majority votes, in the next two
and a half weeks. maybe they should have a prefix of Buttarsgate, to each new
Bill they pass in this session, since 90 percent the Republicans think the same
way as him.
"Why is it hateful when I voice my opinion, but it's not hateful when you voice
yours?"Because your opinion is keeping rights away from a
segment of United States citizens. They opinion does nothing to you
but makes you question them.Can you see the difference?
"nor have they called upon their members to threaten and cause harm to others
because of their practices."Homosexuals HAD the right to marry
and were marrying in California. Your church call upon its memebers to take
away that right. I would call that "harm."
"Homosexuals are more violent and spew more bigotory than hetrosexual
groups."Boy, that is a strong statement. Would you care to
back this up? You have proof, of course.You can show me where
homosexuals have beat up and sometimes murdered heterosexuals, just because they
are heterosexual. You can show me where homosexuals have gang raped a woman
just because she is heterosexual.Please provide the facts to back up
"Gay people have the same rights as the rest of us. Why should we give them more
rights above and beyond what God has already given all of us."If we give gays rights that all of us do not have, we will ALL have those
rights. They will not have any 'SPECIAL" rights above and beyond what you have.
watching | 1:36 p.m. Feb. 23, 2009 "Everyone should be able to have their
civil rights in this counry- even those little children, who live in states
where gay rights legislation has been passed , who are being forced to stay in
their class rooms and learn the glories of the gay life style."A little fear, anyone? This is fear mongering at its best.
All states with gay right laws have an option for the parents to keep their
children from learning about gays. Look it up.
The control freaks spokesperson.
After all the rhetoric, homosexuality is perverse. Justification may come in
many forms, but it is just plain wrong. It isn't right to hate. It isn't right
to deny any individual or group their rights.But to try and justify
deviant behavior which I think some have tried to do on this thread, just
doesn't wash. Gays, you should have your rights. But understand the fact that
because the straight people don't care for your choice, don't try to convince
any one that it is normal. Noah would have had troube letting you on the ark! It
was two by two, not two of the same.
"This is fear mongering at its best. All states with gay right laws have an
option for the parents to keep their children from learning about gays. Look it
up."That is a fatuous comment. My parents exercised their "option"
to keep me out of sex-ed class. That means that I got all the information, but
second hand. The only way for parents to "keep children from learning about
gays" is to isolate them from it, either by creating a whole culture that agrees
not to talk about it, or by keeping them home permanently. Not by sending them
to study hall while the rest of the class learns that everything is normal and
Since when does a group defined solely by their sexual behavior accrue special
rights? Rights granted to a minority have always been granted in part due to
physical traits which unfortunately resulted in a denial of basic rights. The
gay community, is in essence a group of people who feel, believe, or choose to
have sexual relations whith the same sex. This constitutes a need for rights? By
that logic, tobacco smokers deserve special rights, because of the way they are
being discriminated against due to their behavior.
Larry - Let's start with 1 Cor 6:9, Leviticus 18:22, Jude 1:7, If it
wasn't in the Bible, I would be an activist on their behalf, but it is wrong,
and we cannot have this "alternative lifestyle" be prevalent enough to teach in
Buttars, Welcome to our group. You are truly one of us.
Love you, Stalin, Hitler, Mousalinni and friends
This whole thing is appalling. First Buttars says some extremely horrible
things, then he stands by what he said, followed by others standing by what he
said and finally talks about a gag order in our senate like its business as
usual. Well yet another easy win for gay rights, transparent
government and freedom of speech. Someone mentioned this made news
in Europe. I bet they're getting a good laugh at our ignorant leaders. For you religious types, keep your bible out of our government. If you want a
holy war, I'm sure you can find one elsewhere.
So it's ok to think gays should be murdered, just don't say it too loud, huh?If 90% of the people agree, why the vow to silence?I hope
Utah citizens who are ashamed of these legislators, speak up and don't remain
silent..Silences kills...and in this case, GLBT citizens, including
especially GLBT youth.
I am Gay, I'm LDS, A veteran, A talented business owner, and lawyer. I chose to
leave UT, my home, and a place I love and relocate myself and business in order
to escape legal persecution. A successful, tax payign, employee hiring, job
creating, health care providing business, I might add. Being fired
for being gay, being barred from federal rights of commerce and contract under
Amendment 3, These are just a few of the persecutions the legislature has
comitted against the gay community in UT. I helped organise against
Prop 8 in UT and in CA.I support Senator Buttar's right to free
speech. Even if that speech is hate speech. In fact, I support his right to
inciteful speech so long as he assumes the tort liability associated
therewith.What really makes me ill, is to have the legislators admit
openly that they have been governing by backroom agreements, non-transparent
governance, a set an-anti gay agenda, and that there are far more biggots in the
legislature than we had previously thought.I think UT biggots may go
the way of AL and KS, and require federal troops to enforce federal protection
I have a step-father who basically lived as a gay man for a number of years with
a mate of his choosing. His family hid his homosexuality and jumped down my
mothers throat when she refused to stay married to him so that he could enjoy
his lifestyle. Today, he is a well liked member of the Ward he is living in and
worthy to enter the Temple. However, since the death of his mate many years ago
he has refused to participate in the lifestyle. Is he still GAY. Yes, but he
is not practicing which is ok with the Church.However, if he was
still participating he would not be worthy to enter the Temple nor would he
probably be a member of the Church. The choices were his to make and he made
them.Therefore, those of you who say you are born with it are wrong.
You may be born with same-gender attraction but it is still your choice to act
upon that attraction. Therefore, it is a choice.
Buttars, a TRUE MORMONISTA, as are other Utah folks that believe and say the
crap he says.