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Published: Friday, Feb. 20 2009 12:00 a.m. MST

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Henry

If you don't attend the school, you shouldn't be allowed to represent it or the community at large in inter-school athletics. This is a no-brainer. As is typical, our legislature doesn't even qualify as understanding that simple piece of knowledge.

Agreed

I participated in sports and other extracurricular activities in high school.

If I wanted to participate, I had to maintain a 2.0 GPA, just like everyone else. Our school did not allow home-schooled students to participate.

Why? It's simple. They did not go to the school. If you want to participate, go to the school. It is not fair that I and thousands of other student-athletes had to go to school and keep up a GPA only to be undercut by some girl who feels left out because she is home-schooled.

If you want to participate, do yourself a favor: sign up for classes at the high school and get enrolled!

If you are unwilling to do that, you have forfeited your privilege to participate--simple as that.

For that matter, I cannot stand the incompetency of our State Legislature that they cannot understand what they are saying. I think we need to elect some new people to fix education here at the next election based on all of this junk opinions we're hearing.

Anonymous

A better solution would be to remove athletics from High School and have them done privately.

JHP

The question here is whether or not home schooled children would have preferential treatment by allowing their parents to determine their academic standing.

Some people complain that a parent could lie and say their student is doing well, whereas at a public school there is a "third-party" who ensures the accuracy of a report.

The problem with this is that there are also many school teachers and administrators who fudge grades to allow "star" athletes to participate.

If parents are legally allowed to home school their children and determine their grades for graduation, then they should be trusted to determine their student's academic eligibility. Some parents might not report accurately, but neither do public school teachers necessarily. They're on equal ground.

RE: Agreed

Is it really that simple? The parents of those home-schooled children pay for public education just like every other parent.

Not to allow home-schooled students to participate in extra-curricular activities would be like saying that only people who ride TRAX and the bus all year can use any service that UTA provides. We all pay for UTA services, so we should be able to use them in part or in whole as we wish.

The same goes for public education. If a student wants to take advantage of tax funded courses, extra-curricular activities, or anything else, then they should be able to, even if they don't use all of the services.

larry

It seems that during a budget shortfall, the first cuts should be made within the athletic programs.

larry

Good on ya! Your comment really made me grin!

Shaun McC

It seems that during a budget shortfall, home-schoolers that are willing to take on the expense and responsibility of educating their children while still paying the taxes that fund the schools, should have every advantage possible. The number of home-schooled children in this state has made it possible for the state to build many less schools and hire many less teachers (which is why the teacher's union and their attorneys are so upset with home-schoolers). This has saved the state and local districts (and taxpayers) millions of dollars.

Forcing homeschooled children back into the schools full time so they can participate in activities like sports, band, chorus, drama, debate, etc. will cost millions while dropping the quality of education for both home-schoolers and public school children because of increased class sizes and less opportunities. We should encourage more people to home-school if they want to, and save our tax dollars.

My own children (we have home-schooled for 30 years) have been discriminated against because they were not enrolled full time. It is unfair and unnecessary. I pay taxes too.

Katerina

I live in Florida. Our state passed this rule a while ago and it has worked out great.

Tim Tebow was home-schooled and was allowed under Florida law to play football in the public high school. If it were not for that law, Tim Tebow would not have that Heizman trophy now, the Gators would not have won and Tim would not be as effective of a Christian missionary as he is today.

I home schooled for over 28 years and paid property taxes all of those years which is where the public schools here get their money to build schools,etc. Yet, not once have we used the facilities except for after school sports. I think that as long as home school families pay their taxes they should also be able to benefit.

Big Al

I have no problem allowing home-schooled children to participate in high school activities. What I do have a problem with is that they only need a note from Mom in order to participate.

I have certain responsibilities with extra-curricular activities in a high school. The last time this came up, we had a young man who was a monster on the football field, but he was a weakling in the classroom. He was not close to being eligible to play football. When his mother heard about the possibility of him being able to play with a note from home, she immediately pulled him out of school and wrote the note the same day.

So, you home-school junkies on this thread who see no problem with home-schooled children participating in high school sports remember this; a young person enrolled in public schools has to meet certain requirements in order to participate. You want all the benefits without any of the responsibilities.

We had a home-schooled young woman play basketball a few years ago. She had to show academically that she was on the same level as her peers in school. That's as it should be.

As a tax payer...

Homeschoolers save the state money by not sending kids to school. The homeschoolers I know chose to homeschool after some serious problems with the public schools. Bullying and lack of differentiating levels in the classroom. When the kids know the material, and must sit there for 8 hours learning nothing, there is a huge problem. And the kids do act up. So parents homeschool.

Homeschoolers choose to educate their own for various reasons-usually multiple kids to keep their schedule consistent for the family.
So these parents stay home and educate, paying taxes, curriculum, choose not to work (It is a choice), but then they are to not get the benefit of their taxes paid at all? Why is it all or nothing? If Trax isn't ridden regularly, are citizens banned from using it? How about specific roads we don't drive on? This is craziness to me.

To get over the 2.0 gpa, just have the homeschoolers take the ITBS or something, so they have some accountability like regular students who want to do sports. If they know the stuff at a 2.0 gpa level, it's kinda evident they are learning at home.

Anonymous

People who say sports should just be done with are crazy. I didn't even play any and that was my number 1 memory from high school. Davis '08 baby

and then...

the next bill will be no cuts of home schoolers from any team, regardless of athletic ability.
Be fair to all students and allow all parents to sign eligibility, thereby taking it out of educator's hands completely. That should make things fair for all and very interesting.

East Coast

For those of you who think homeschoolers are discriminated against with high school activities, you may be right. Homeschoolers are also discriminated against by American society in general because the only people who homeschool are religious zealots, uneducated parents who don't know better, or the tiny percentage who may go on to Harvard because they are geniuses (a TINY percentage of homeschoolers). If you homeschool and don't want to be discriminated against, then join the rest of the world and contribute to society. Go to school, get into a university, graduate, and have a meaningful career that actually contributes something. Don't be shocked that discrimination happens behind your back. This bill is another worthless, meaningless waste of taxpayer's time.

School isn't just about Trivia

I think they should have to pass a social competency exam as well.

Re: East Coast

Is that an attempt of satire? or an example of true ignorance?

Cutting Athletic Budgets?

I believe most Athletic programs raise most of their money through a fundraiser or a banquet through out the year, maybe you should have a banquet and raise some money for enlish, science, history, math? Athletics don't deserve to get cut, and either does any classes. You guys against athletics are killing me, do you know how many kids athletics actually keep kids from going a stray. Probably not because your kids are perfect, well not everyones kids are perfect and this is what they need to keep their education going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as this story, I don't like mommy signing a note either and there should be a better way of making sure they fall in that 2.0 category!

Re: School isn't just about Triv

>> Are you referring to all student athletes?

If not...

Before anymore embarrassing comments are made, please look at the statistics/facts...this is from Wikipedia ("homeschooling")


"John Taylor later found, using the Piers-Harris Children's Self-Concept Scale, "while half of the conventionally schooled children scored at or below the 50th percentile (in self-concept), only 10.3% of the home-schooling children did so."[69] He further stated that "the self-concept of home-schooling children is significantly higher (and very much so statistically) than that of children attending the conventional school. This has implications in the areas of academic achievement and socialization, to mention only two. These areas have been found to parallel self-concept. Regarding socialization, Taylor's results would mean that very few home-schooling children are socially deprived. He claims that critics who speak out against home schooling on the basis of social deprivation are actually addressing an area which favors home schoolers.[69]"b

East Coast

Neither. It's the truth.

Rick

Wow, East Coast and others---why the vitriol against home schoolers? What is it about homeschooling that makes you mad? I agree with Shaun. If the parents want to keep paying taxes and yet remove their kids from school leaving more school resources for everyone else, why is that a problem? Let the kids do the extracurricular--they paid for it!

And what's all the fuss about whether they have a 2.0 GPA or not? This is not a hard problem to solve, people. Make them take a competency test. Guess what--the homeschoolers will on the whole knock the socks off the kids in public school.

I find this particularly disturbing to hear the anti-homeschoolers on this issue because people against homeschooling always argue that homeschoolers do not get enough social interaction. And yet when parents want to put their kids in after school activities for, say, social interaction then they get turned away? What is the problem here?

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