I do not agree with animal liberation when it comes to destroying others
property and for the most part I believe Grand juries are a good thing. But
Jordan has been put in this situation not because he was committing any illegal
activities but because he "MIGHT" have information about who did. He has
basically become his own case. I would think that the FBI might realize that he
will not be the type of person to give up all of his beliefs just to get out of
prison. He is going to be there till they have made a point to anyone else that
this is what happens if you don't talk. But this is just adding fuel to the
fire. People who are in his position in the future are just going to be making
mayrters out of them selves to prove that they cannot be broke.
I think its funny that people who are speaking for the activists have their
comments deleted. If this one doesn't show up either, well I bet we
can just both laugh... sort of.
The ignorance in these comments makes actions like this more and more needed.
The fact that what they did had a greater impact then trying to convince people
not to wear is very much there.Also, how many of you would be able to hold your
ground against FBI agents and not talk? Im sure most of you would crack within
moments.I'm sure most of these people do have jobs but have taken time off
to help out the activists.Peoples ignorance is amazing and I can not
believe that people can act like this with something.Please take time out
of your busy life of making fun of activists to grow up a little.
It isn't over with yet, I am sure that there will be more protesters and
supporters at the court house again this coming up Wednesday. This is crazy.
I have to laugh at some of the stupid things people say as comments. The point
I want to make is that Jordan was only called as a grand jury witness, he is not
guilty of or has he been charged with anything, least of all killing or
releasing mink. People do not realize that a prosecutor can obtain a subpoena
to compel anyone to testify without showing probable cause and without even
showing that the person subpoenaed is likely to have relevant information. It
is a for lack of a better way to explain this, "a fishing expedition".I
feel bad for those mink farmers that lost their mink and had their livelihoods
disrupted, but don't make accusations and accuse the wrong people. At this
point we are all just assuming this is what he was called to be a witness
for.I think it is time that the police and FBI did a little more
investigating and leg work instead of trying to make a case on a he said, she
said, or I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from a
friend that someone did something.
All you people say "they'll die in the street" "they'll starve toDeath".
Well the fact is that, all will die most certainly within the year 100%. So I
say at least they are given a chance to feel what it is like to be free and most
do survive. They arnt yet domesticated. If I had a choice to die most certainly
through horrid electrocution techniques that I am unable to describe on this
comment (as of would be erased for vulgarity) or have a chance at being free of
course I would take that chance!
Gotta love that releasing those minks resulted in their deaths as cars smooshed
them. Real geniuses at work. Just remember, when in jail, do not offer to
release another man's mink.
"Refusal to testify could land Halliday in jail for contempt of court. The
secret grand jury proceedings do not permit an attorney present, something
Halliday decried as "unconstitutional."Let me understand this
correctly. You can't have an attorney present even though the Sixth amendment
guarantees that "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right
...to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation;...and to have the
Assistance of Counsel for his defence" yet this man can be held in contempt for
refusing to testify?If that is how these voters want to play this
game then his family should arrest them, and hold them in contempt of their
family and then if their families object they had better send the police to
harass and kill those who won't bow down and worship the votes of their
neighbors. If you will violate our rights, if your neighbors who you pay to
serve as police officer will violate our rights then to hell with America and
the constitution. His family should stand behind him and defend him against
those neighbors/voters who don uniforms to do their bidding of their families
Jody,Sometimes good things happen out of bad situations. I got your old
job at McDonalds. Thanks bud.
Jordy,I raise mink also. I have gone to alot of work and expense to
produce for me and my family. We may call this animal rights,but it most
definitely is called human rights. I have a right to raise mink. You do not have
a right to let them go. I have got a security system which I use called
Winchester. It makes people who are messing with other peoples things feel real
bad. Don't let it grab you Jordy!
Jordan, I think you better start thinking about all those big furry fellows in
prison. They act like animals too, but it will be your rights that you are
worried about, not some other animals. You have no right to disrupt some
families way of making a living. I do not agree with many things that go on in
society. I get sick every time I see or read something about Michael Vick, But,
you are being unlawful and cruel also. Get a grip. Just because you think up
something when you are high on mj, don't always cary out the visions that you
see through your little hor rimmed, coke bottle like glasses. Thats all I have
to say about that!
I'm, glad all of those "activists" showed up at the courthouse. Now they are in
the FBI file. I don't suppose little Jordon or any of those others who may or
may not have been involved ever have been called on the carpet before. I would
guess Daddy's pocketbook will speak loudly along with a bout with the Feds.
Jordon, your lawyer is giving you bum advice.............unless your guilty.
would indicate that the mink farmers SHOULD have had much better "security" and
be willing to enforce their private property rights. If someone is entering your
facilities to commit a crime, then I would automatically think they are at the
very least burglars, or worse violent predators. Perhaps if a few of the
"soldiers" were martyred in their cause it might be a GOOD THING for society.
I own my own business, so I gave myself the day off, I was there to support
Jordan because of human rights issues not animal rights issues.
Those who oppose the mink industry should abide by existing laws and take an
approach that respects other's property. I cannot condone breaking into someone
else's business solely because of personal ethical biases.I do not
condone mistreatment of animals. Passing laws toward the proper treatment and
penalties for those who do not obey them is the correct approach. A civilized
society respects the rights of others and works to pass laws/ordinances to
protect its citizenry.
I knew Jordan growing up, he went to the same school as me. I've always known
him as a vegan. But I never would have thought he would release all these mink.
He was a really cool kid, nice, and compassionate. He not only cared about
animals bit he also cared about everyone. When a mutual friend of our died. He
was over to my house in a heartbeat with just one call. He took on so much. He
cared for everyone, it seemed as if he was so selfless. I never heard him
complain about any of his own problems. Good luck Jordan.Love,Lindsay
It's frustrating that the des news and the commenters focused on the animal
rights stuff, which I couldn't give less of a damn about except that it is an
example of massive resource mis-use, instead of the logistics of a grand
jury.The inclusion of a prosecutor and no legal representation on
the side of the accused is absolutely unjust, especially if you consider that
those 'normal people' manning the grand jury can be selected in advance by their
previous choices. Oh and I LOVE all of the comments to the tune of
'don't break the law, and if the law's bad change it!' Civil unrest and protests
are what finally shakes you sleepy unresponsive masses into some element of
change. Our system requires massive input before something changes, and as
you've mentioned, most of us have mouths to feed. It's no accident
that the people are kept in a constant state of work so they cannot be involved
in improving their democracy.
Another point, it was my day off, and most of these individuals have night jobs
and go to school. I know several have both school and work in the same day, i
like the assumptions though. but apparenly you didn't think for a second "hum
they don't have jobs but are wearing clothes, most drive a car, how could they
afford those signs?" rethink, reprocess. Now make you immature assumptions
Apparenly people commenting aren't well schooled, number one, there are humane
tests made that mink are not domesticated, never will be, they fight for their
lives as much as possible. NUMBER 2, i don't agree in wearing fake fur either, i
think it's all gross. TWo apparently you aren't getting the gist of the article,
it's not about the deed, it's the witch hunt. THE ALF has taken responsibility
for the act, and Jordan is not in the movement. Grand juries are witch hunts,
take away your right to an attorney and to the 5th ammendment right. OH and i
only know one person who works in a coffee shop.
Blowing up abortion clinics is terrorism. Destroying logging trucks is
terrorism. Releasing minks is terrorism. Call it what it is.Terrorists are
cowardly, selfish, and dangerous. They should be punished accordingly.
if the terrorists are so concerned about the mink, why don't they buy the mink
farmers out? Oh, that's right, they've probably never spent a productive day in
Kelley, the range map for the American Mink does not include Utah. Another
question is, whether the released animals are American Mink or another species.
Please provide us with references to the documentation you speak of. The release
of non-native species into the wild is another crime all together.And just
because one or two released animals are able to survive post-release does not
mean that the other couple thousand did not die a horrible, painful, unnatural
death.I am not a fan of fur farming, and I am not a fan of you and your
The point is that we are obligated to follow the law. If you do not like the
law, petition to change it.
Mink in fact CAN survive outside of cages, and this has been well documented in
past liberation cases. Mink have been found surviving years later. These are
wild animals living in horrible conditions leading to painful and cruel deaths.
If your neighbor were brutally beating their dog and you knew about
it would you sit back and let it happen? Those who know the conditions on a fur
farm that have the guts to give these animals a chance at life (instead of
CERTAIN DEATH) are heroes in a way most people only dream of. There
is no need for these atrocities to take place and I look forward to the day that
every fur farm is out of business and done polluting our water supplies. They
claim these to be "family business" I am glad my family isn't in the business of
Well Jordan, you thought you could get away with releasing all those mink? The
government isn't stupid. Why are you and the other terroractivists trying to
hide the other girls name? It's cute you and your friends are trying to protect
your girlfriend. But she is just as guilty as you for not coming forward with
the info. I hope you both rot in prison!
Get real. Grand juries are one of the most important things in our society. They
are convened to determine if there is enough evidence to indict someone. It's
the step in the process in which citizens--not an appointed judge, not a law
enforcement guy who's job is to arrest people, but average, ordinary citizens
like you and me--determine who is indicted and who isn't. Do away with grand
juries and prosecutors could indict anyone they want to. The biggest problem
with grand juries and the entire legal system is unscrupulous prosecutors--think
Duke lacrosse or the KPMG fiasco by the feds. The best protection against
improper prosecution is the Grand Jury. That's why there's no defense lawyers
and why the proceedings are supposed to be secret. The decision is made by
people like you and me--average, ordinary folks, hopefully with enough common
sense and intelligence to recognize when and when not to indict.
Could they please leave the tape over their mouths?
What I find interesting is that most of you miss the point. This is not about
an animal rights issue but is a human rights issue. We have been raised in a
country where we believe we have rights. These two individuals were called as
witnesses, they are not criminals. We need to do away with Grand Juries. Grand
Juries are archaic and when you go before one you no longer have those rights
you may have thought you once had. You have no representation, and this is
nothing more than a way for law enforcement or the DA to get around a law for
those that want to use our perceived constitutional rights. Once again these
people are witnesses not criminals but just the same are treated like criminals.
I am sure that most of the kids there were friends. They are probably students
and most probably work evenings at jobs most adults would not be willing to work
even in this poor economy.The comment about Jordan getting a big cuddly
cell mate shows no maturity. I am sure you have been there to be able to state
something like that. I'm sorry for you.
that "More than two dozen animal rights activists" can show up at the court
house in the middle of a work day to protest? Don't these people have jobs?
I support the idea of them protesting with tape over their mouths.
I'm surprised someone hasn't taken the initiative to put that one out there.
Because seriously man its too ironic not to be said. Just like the oil comment.
He and i run a couple o factories called Brains....now go rethink your values,
commies! That'll teach 'em to come into Utah with views that didn't
come from Larry the cable guy.
Really? Just about everything we do has a cabon footprint. But since
you have such a good point, beating to death and skining animals saves about 5
gallons of gas so lets just go with that.
Maybe someday he can grow up to be just like Peter Young. Then he can go on the
college lecture tour and be worshiped by hundreds. Great career path. Mom will
be so proud.
Hope you get a big, cuddly cell-mate Jordan.
Remember oil used to be alive as well!!
Most fake fur is made from petroleum products. Isn't oil harvested by scarring
the land with new roads, and used to create gasoline that is polluting our water
and air. It seems to me that a mink coat has a much smaller carbon footprint
than a faux fur coat.
Let's say these kids work at coffee shop, since that's the only place that
liberals work anymore. I'm sure they are doing for the world than a guy that
breeds animals so he can eventually beat them to death and skin thier corpses so
some rich slag can have a new coat. Agree?
Mink have no way to survive in captivity either. Animal rights organizations
have been trying for decades to show people the truth about how cruel factory
farming is. But for some reason people keep buying fur when there are plenty of
alternatives. Those farmers make Mike Vick seem like pet owner of
the year. And if you wear fur you should be ashamed to support such an industry.
As in every other case of animal cruelty these people should be placed in jail
if found guilty.Dog fighting is illegal, chicken fights are illegel,
it is illegal for me to abuse a dog or cat. All of these are and should be
crimes. Is it not the same thing to let animals free that will die slow painful
deaths? Mink have no way to survive out side of captivity. They starve, freeze,
get run over by cars. How cruel it is to free these animals.Heres an
idea. Try to change peoples minds about the need for fur. Im sure quite a few
would buy into the idea. Next buy all the mink yourself. Let the animal rights
activists take charge of their care.
What a bunch of whining babies. If they did anything wrong- meaning if they
were at least parcially responsible for letting the minks loose, I hope they are
nailed. There is nothing wrong with protesting animal cruelty. But when you
mess with someone elses livelihood just for making your little point, you should
suffer the consequences.
These activists are really sad. How about getting jobs, contributing to society
and choosing not to buy mink. Instead, they terrorize those who are productive
in legal occupations. They are typical liberals - "Think the way we think, or
we will make you think our way, by force".
I want to sympathize with their plight, but I can't. I believe that animals
should be treated with respect and be well-cared for. I'm a vegetarian, even.
But releasing animals that have no ability to survive in the wild is just as
cruel to the animals as is the treatment from the breeders. There are better
ways that are less dramatic and less destructive to create awareness and fight
for better lives for animals.