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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 17 2009 12:00 a.m. MST

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TM

To all. My interest is just as someone that has an appreciation for history and the biographies of interesting historical characters. The anticipated DNA results of Mr. Long, if comes back positive and proves that Longabaugh did in fact return will open all kinds of new doors! If true it will at least provide a new path from the generally accepted and cutrrent opinion that Parker and Longabaugh last ride ended in San Vincente. While the photo that I have seen of Mr. Long is not dated I do agree that at a first glance there doeas appear a strong resemblance; however when comparing the Ft Worth photo of Longabaugh the right ear lobe, which as I understand is a high marker when making comparisons between photos of individuals appears to be different when reviewing the two photos. I await the DNA results with great anticipation.

TM

Question concerning Buck's Salt Lake Tribune article of 1901? Has anyone verified that this article or reviewed other than Buck? As I understand the claim is that Mr. Long was in the States when Longabaugh was suppose to be in South America? If this has been addressed in the past comments please forgive the repeat for info.

Jerry Nickle

Please go to my web site where you can see the side-by-side photographs Dr. McCullough used to do the comparison.
I will gladly email to anyone three separate Pinkerton memos showing Butch and Sundance were in the USA in 1901.
Do a search for Jerry Nickle Sundance Kid to find my web site and leave a message

Ghosttown Bob

TM: The reported shooting incident between George Morrell and William Long was was originally referenced by me, not Buck. He only followed up on my original post. The incident was reported not only in the Salt Lake Tribune which Buck mentioned, but also in the Deseret News Oct. 24, 1901 issue and in the Ogden Standard Examiner Oct 24, 1901 issue. The Ogden paper has additional interesting details like "Long went as usual on his land to turn the water..." These articles can be found on Utah's Historical Newspaper project website.

Good Luck

Ghosttown Bob

Randall, don't expect results anytime soon.

Uh. . . Er. . you going to eat all of those fries?

Anonymous

OGDEN STANDERED EXAMINER Oct 24, 1901
Loa, Oct, 21 A shooting scrape occurred at Fremont, about five miles north of loa, this morning between 6 and 7 oclock in which George Morrell was shot in the head by Wm. Long. The wound is not considered as dangerous as the beating he got on the head with a 44-calibre after he was shot. The wounded man will live, but he exhibits an ugly appearance.
The trouble began over water. Morrell sent Long word that he (Morrell) didnt want to see him (Long) on a certain piece land using water. Long went as usual on his land to turn the water, when Morrell appeared and the shooting followed.

Double Eagle

Butch and Sundance were known to pistol whip their victims, rather than kill them. Therefore, you could say that in the Oct 24, 1901 scrape between George Morrell and Wm. Long, that Long resorted to the tried and proven method, he had employed as Sundance and pistol whipped George Morrell, rather than kill him.
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Anonymous

This "pistol whipping" is interesting. If our boys came up behind someone to hit then over the head, that seems rather a cowardly thing to do.

If they came at them from the front, what is this person doing while B or S walks up to them and hits them over the head? Doesn't it seem likely. that if you are wearing a gun and a person confronts you with a drawn gun (needs to be drawn to use as a club) wouldn't you run, draw your own gun and shoot, not just stand there to be "pistol whipped". Or maybe the victims had no weapon at all, now we are back to cowardly.

Doesn't seem like a smart thing to do.

Who started this tale?

Anonymous

Butch and Sundance did not use the Marcus of Queensbury rules when they robbed their victims

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Salt Lake City TV station KSL will air Dr McCulloughs Photo comparison Mar 17, at 10:00 PM

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Correction
Salt Lake City TV station KSL will air Dr McCulloughs Photo comparison Mar 26, at 10:00 PM

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Salt Lake City TV station KSL will air Dr McCulloughs Photo comparison Mar 24, at 10:00 PM

TM

Jerry, Do you know the dates of the two photo's you have; Long standing alone and the other seated with his wife?

Jerry Nickle

I do not know the date of the one with Long standing alone. My guess is 1891-1892 in Wyoming or Montana. The one where he is seated with his wife was taken in 1921 in Loa Utah.

Zeke

Out of curiosity, has anyone compared handwriting samples between Longabaugh and Long? There are a couple of existing letters from Harry Longabaugh (not that I ever remember seeing them, except in type). It might strengthen or weaken the case a bit depending on the outcome.

Gaylen Robison

Hi Zeke. My mother told me that her grandpa Long was illiterate. He was never seen writing anything. He didn't even sign his own marriage certificate. That's a pretty good cover. If he was illiterate, how was it that he had thousands of dollars in the bank in Duchesne. That money disappeared when the bank closed due to the Crash of twenty nine. My grandma, his daughter, told me that. He told family members that he had buried gold coins out at the Robbers Roost in a fire pit. He would have tried to retrieve it himself but he could not ride a horse anymore due to his physical condition at the time. The mystery gets better all the time doesn't it?

Ghosttown Bob

Thanks Gaylen, One more proof that Longabaugh and Long are not the same person. Harry Longabaugh was literate and wrote several letters. William Long was illiterate and could not even sign his name.

Gaylen Robison

Ghosttown Bob. You might have something there. After all, most illiterate men back in that day had lots of money in the bank and plenty of gold coins buried out at Robbers Roost. Yup! nothin like bein prepared.

Anonymous

"One more proof that Longabaugh and Long are not the same person. Harry Longabaugh was literate and wrote several letters. William Long was illiterate and could not even sign his name."

Hey GTB, we are getting sick and tired of all your "pre" knowledge. It is certainly possible that Long is not Sundance. You have pointed that out till I am fed up seeing it. Why don't you further display your talents and tell us the likelihood of Gustov Zimmer not being Butch Cassidy. For crying out loud, play something different.

I will presume you made all the same noise prior to Buck's discovery in So. Am. Don't you get tired of hearing yourself?

TM

I'm getting way ahead of the game here...but if Long is Sundance...Geeze..Do we assume that Butch made it back also?. Did they stay intouch or decide to seperate and go in different directions? Did some event cause a break in their relationship? Were they able to go straight and give up a talent that they were very skilled? Are their any unsolved bank robberies in the area after 1909? What about Ethel/Etta...Did Long search for her? Did she survive? What a story and what stories to be unearthed if proven true. Ahhh...part of me wants to believe they got away and never were caught. Go figure cheering for the outlaws! Well the DNA will tell this tell one way or the other..But I can't help think what if!

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