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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 17 2009 12:00 a.m. MST

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Ghosttown Bob

Mr. A N M: I will quote by earlier post: "Column 1, page B8 of the Utah section fourth paragraph down of the printed edition it says: "Oct 24, 1910." In the context of this article, and the previous one in December, this "typo" would make it appear that the shooting incident occurred after Jerry claims that Sundance returned from So. America which is a misrepresentation and needs a correction from the News. If it was a typo, and not intentional, then the copy editor should have caught it."

Yes I do agree with you, Mrs. Ernst's book does contain some mistakes and typos. The typos, her editor at the University of Oklahoma press should of corrected. Any subsequent printing should contain the corrections. Her other so-called errors you-all seem to be adept at pointing out. Why spend all of your time trying to tear her down when you should be trying to build up Jerry's case.

Anonymous

GTB: "Just like bullies on a playground, you seem to have chased off Zeke, Horse Creek Cowboy, and Disinterested Observer. You should be proud of yourselves for not being able to conduct a civil conversation."

Ghosttown Bob | 10:33 a.m. March 17, 2009
TM: "No, the DNA results have not been posted. Three months and counting."

We understand your opinion GTB, (you are close to overcooking your view) don't you know a different song to sing. Instead of answering questions that were directed to Mr. Nickle, why don't you address the questions just asked of you?

Just A Non

Our GTB sayeth: "Why spend all of your time trying to tear her down when you should be trying to build up Jerry's case."

Bringing attention to actual errors, mis-statements, mis-leading information, etc., doesn't qualify as "tearing down" someone. It is simply pointing out things that should never have been written, as she did. Then to compound these issues, it was published. Read what her book says, GTB. I am bringing things to your atention that happened, she wrote them. Period. It might even do you some good to reread your above noted "statement".

As for Jerry's "case". First, I don't know. Second, I have doubts about his theory. Third, I am not going to pre-judge like you and "others" have done. The man deserves for ALL the information to be presented, then (if he is not correct) you can scream to all, he was wrong, just like your pal, D Buck was.

To be fair to Jerry, yes I have doubts about his Mr. Long. I have stronger doubts about Mr. Zimmer. Don't you?

JAN

TM

Thanks for the info. I find this all very interesting. What lives and times these peopled lived. The thought of completely disappearing into History and keeping all those stories to one self is amazing to me... If they survived... It could not be done today. I hope they (Parker, Longabaugh and Place) found peace and a life back in the U.S.

Ghosttown Bob

I will answer you question with your own words, now directed to you: "I prefer to defend the high ground and bait my advisory into a defenseless position. . . Youve once again proven some people just can not resist telling how smart they are and how dumb [the rest of us] are. . . every time you respond to. . . posts, it tells us more about you and what you really know about William Henry Long, than you realize." You, Jerry, and the rest have not, in over 300 posts, provided anything more about William Henry Long that was not known from reading the two articles by Geoff. You, Anonymous have been rude, overbearing, duplicitous, and concerned only about proving how much "research" you have done to the exclusion of others. No, you do not know it all, but you are a know-it-all.

Anonymous

"I will answer you question with your own words, now directed to you: "I prefer to defend the high ground and bait my advisory into a defenseless position." PRAY TELL WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

As for Jerry's "case". First, I don't know. Second, I have doubts about his theory. Third, I am not going to pre-judge like you and "others" have done. The man deserves for ALL the information to be presented, then (if he is not correct) you can scream to all, he was wrong, just like your pal, D Buck was.

To be fair to Jerry, yes I have doubts about his Mr. Long. I have stronger doubts about Mr. Zimmer. Don't you?

THE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS ABOVE WERE MY LATEST RESPONSE TO YOU. With all due respect GTB, you Sir are not only on the wrong page, you are holding the wrong book and apparently are not even in the same library. Follow your own advice, "get your facts straight before you go to print".


I think you better rest a bit.

JAN

Ghosttown Bob

JAN: I was responding to Anonymous in the 10:56 a.m. post not to Just A Non in the 11:30 a.m. post. If you are one and the same, my apologies; at least I am using a handle that is recognizable and not hiding under a pseudonym someone else is using.

Why all of the shouting? I think you are the one that needs a rest.

As for Mr. Zimmer, At least Mr. Buck admitted that he was not Butch or Sundance. That still doesn't mean that they were not killed in San Vicente, just that Buck dug up the wrong grave.

Ghosttown Bob

TM's question was not directed to anyone in particular. I think you-all are all embarrassed that the DNA is not forthcoming.

Hey Randell: I am getting a big urge for a burger and fries. Maybe if I drive over to Oakley I'll run into Butch and we can rehash old times.

JAN

"Why all of the shouting?"

Does the truth come thru a little too loud for you GTB? Like it was said, "some just can't handle it".

I think you finally said something that makes sense, after your same old "song" and dance, over and over, I think I need a rest.

JAN

TM

The thing that struck me about Parker, Longabaugh and Place starting over again in Agentina was the house they built (Looking at photo's I have seen on the internet)of the rough cabin they built resembles Parker's own home cabin in Utah. I can understand wanting to keep a low profile and not draw a lot of attention to themselves...However, with other Europeans in the area, and with Place and to some degree Parker and Longabaugh, appreciating the finner things in life I thought they would have wanted to build a much nicer and more comfortable home to start a new life. If I read correctly they had a large ranch and heard of cattle as well as horses.

Whatever

Ghosttown Bob,
As you stated, Kerry Ross Boren - any credibility that he had disappeared once he murdered his wife.
Credibility: Exactly my point, why would our foremost authority state on his web site, Lula Parker Betenson came up with a completely new version of Butch and Sundance's "deaths," which she had obtained from controversial outlaw researcher, Kerry Ross Boren. On another web site, he says, In her book, Lula related an account of Butch's death, that sounds as if she had simply split the differences among what she had picked up from Baker, Sundance, Jr., Boren, and others: Co-author, Dora Flack stated I assure you that Lula was not influenced by Kerry Boren (whom we both knew) or Harry Longabaugh Jr., or any others.
Our Foremost Authority knew that by claiming Lula Parker Betenson used Kerry Ross Borens account of the death of Butch and Sundance, that it would create a credibility issue for Lulas claim, that Butch had returned. And finally, he implies that Lula suffers from a "corroded memory".

Whatever

Continued:
These multiple posts on Boren, on a previous blog, leaves no doubt what Mr. Buck himself thought of Boren, as an historian. Mr. Buck inserted Kerry Ross Boren into the argument against the Betensons for one purpose, to discredit Lula Parker Betenson.

Posted by Daniel Buck |17 Nov 3:17 PM 17 Nov 3:18 PM Nov 3:19 PM 17 Nov 3:20 PM
P.S. My mention of Kerry Ross Boren, the Baron Munchaesen of the outlaw history world, was a lampoonic remark about those attracted to bandit reincarnations, not a recommendation to lap up his writings. His claims to be the heir to the throne of Ireland as well as a descendant of Montezuma speak for themselves He is also related to just about any Old West figure you care to name. And, by the by, he did not simply murder his wife, he beat her to death; days later he called the authorities to say she was having trouble breathing. The coroner determined that at the time of his call she had been dead for a couple days.

The Anonymous One

Ghosttown Bob,
Anonymous: My last post directed at you was | 5:26 p.m. March 6, 2009.
My goodness, I believe you have tried to insult me Bob, No, you do not know it all, but you are a know-it-all.
I agree, I do not know it all, actually I know very little, what I do know is about 20 times more than you know. Unfortunately, that makes you a know nothing.
Anonymous | 10:56 a.m. March 17, 2009 Youll have to forgive Bob, for he knows nothing.

A C

"Our Foremost Authority implies that Lula suffers from a "corroded memory".

I am told the above statement by Buck was denied (by Buck) a few years ago, in Rock Springs. Wyoming. In fact, it was!

You see, since the "Foremost A", has never (and most likely never will) prove what he "thinks", he now believes that if he states that everyone else is wrong----WOW, then he will be right. Really sad!

He will not stand behind what he says or writes---this has already been shown, (more than) enough of Buck and his disgusting methods.

If anyone, Buck included, wishes to discuss Mrs. Betenson's mind, let it happen. I am glad to know people that were friends of Lula, that were with her at the very end, that will gladly explain this area to "the Foremost Authority". Anytime, anywhere.

I'm sure most of you know, Buck never met Mrs. Betenson. From his viewpoint, probably just as well.

Thank tou, Whatever. Since what you said is true, you better hold on to your hat.

AC

Anonymous

Does anyone know if there is any truth to what I have heard, a time or two, about Buck writing to Dora Flack (Mrs. Betenson's co-author) asking Mrs. Flack, if she thought Lula was telling the "truth"?

If that did happen, it seems terribly insulting to Mrs. Flack, as well, of course to Mrs. Betenson.

Thank you.

writer11313

Gaylen Robison - Very interesting information you gave about your family. Seems like that would be enough to keep the naysayers quiet, but in truth, I don't think anyone wants to truely find Sundance, Butch or Etta. If we know exactly what happened to them then where would all the fun be? It will be interesting to me to find out if this turns out to be Sundance.

Anonymous

Do truth & facts keep the raven from knocking at my chamber door?

Interested

I have heard the same about the letter, mentioned below.

"Does anyone know if there is any truth to what I have heard, a time or two, about Buck writing to Dora Flack (Mrs. Betenson's co-author) asking Mrs. Flack, if she thought Lula was telling the "truth"?"

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Randall

Where the heck is the DNA report after 3 months?
Pass the fry sauce...

Gaylen Robison

TM. You are a nice person. I appreciate your comment of March 17th. I don't know for sure whatever happened to Robert Leroy Parker and Etta Place, but Great Grandpa Long (Henry Alonzo Longabaugh) did find a life of peace after he came home to Wayne County, Utah to a loving wife and family. He fathered two special daughters and taught them well. After that they moved to the Uintah Basin about 1918. Who would ever think of looking for him there? Fact is, some did come looking for him but nobody would tell. He was thought well of and had respect and a good reputation at Duchesne for the rest of his life.

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