"they will hurt him within the Utah Republican Party and in the Legislature"That is sad, true but sad in Utah.Gov. Huntsman is facing
reality, times have changed!
First of all, any domestic partnership that grants *financial* benefits to gay
couples, friends, or whoever is a bad idea. If businesses are obliged to offer
insurance to such relationships along wih offering them to spouses then they may
just opt not to cover any relationship at all. That would be perfectly legal.*** Political pundits say Huntsman, after winning his last run for the
governorship by a record-setting majority last November, is repositioning
himself for the national stage. ***Setting himself up for what?
Surely not president. On that score what does Huntsman have that Mitt Romney
doesn't? Both are Mormon, which doesn't help nationally. Both are further to the
left than the overall GOP, but Romney had an excuse: he had to run in
Massachusetts. Romney is a manly man; Huntsman is an effeminate fop. Both are
the sons of privilege, but Romney has his own genuine accomplishments to point
to, while Huntsman's "accomplishments" consist of political appointments
purchased with daddy's contributions to the GOP. And speaking of those
contributions, Huntsman's daddy has spent the last decade given hundreds of
thousands to both parties, which, whatever Jonny, Sr. says, is really just about
Progressive, moderate, conservatives, are the future of republican party. As
the world becomes more complex the "antis" (intellectual, abortion rights,
environmental, gun control, climate change, evolution, illegal immigrants, etc,
etc.) are becoming increasingly irrelevant. Moderates like Huntsman grudgingly
get most of the right wing nut vote, and appeal to moderate republicans,
independents, and even a few liberals. I think Huntsman is looking past the
Utah State legislature and is definitely positioning himself for a national
office. He has all the prerequisites, money, charm, smarts, looks, family , etc.
If he can just convince people he's Episcopalian, he's got it made!
Bernick obviously has not been paying attention to Huntsman's political stances.
Huntsman has supported this issue for some time but it's only been focused on
now (which, in itself, says something).Huntsman did not bring the
issue up. While being interviewed by a reporter on a different matter Huntsman
was asked if he supported civil unions. As he has before, he stated "yes" and
the interview moved on. He could have side-stepped the question, but did not
think it was a big deal because this issue was old news. For some reason, the
press just never took notice before.
I think that the Common Ground initiative is making a strategic mistake by
expanding the scope of its reforms beyond same-gender couples. Proposing
marriage-like benefits for siblings and inter-generational relations is vaguely
incestuous and just gives ammo to the cretins who say things like "if gays can
marry, why can't I marry my dog?".The best thing for gays and
straights and the institution of marriage is to leave marriage alone, but just
treat gender like we do race and religion--as no basis to tell a loving couple
that they can't marry. Problem solved.
Smart politician.He knows America is sick to death of far-right lunatic
Limbaughites clamoring for Civil War.
I hope that Gail Ruzicka, Chris Buttars and the yayhoos at Sutherland are all so
mad they can't sleep.Way to start facing reality and looking forward,
Governor Huntsman. Well done, Sir.Michael in Sandy
He's laying the predicate for his run for the presidency.
Huntsman has courage.Knows his church has Church/State limitations.It's what made America great.
Anonymous | 7:43 a.m.Yes, I'm sure that was EXACTLY what Gov
Huntsman was thinking.Hint:Quit projecting YOUR opinions onto
others and claiming that's what THEY are thinking.
Wow!A liberal governor in the reddest of red states.There IS a
A different perspective on Governor Huntsmans position:The unholy
transgression of homosexuality is either rapidly growing or tolerance is giving
it wider publicity. If one has such desires and tendencies, he overcomes them
the same as if he had the urge toward petting or fornication or adultery. The
Lord condemns and forbids this practice with a vigor equal to his condemnation
of adultery and other such sex acts. . . . Again, contrary to the belief and
statement of many people, this sin, like fornication, is overcomable and
forgivable, but again, only upon a deep and abiding repentance, which means
total abandonment and complete transformation of thought and act. The fact that
some governments and some churches and numerous corrupted individuals have tried
to reduce such behavior from criminal offense to personal privilege does not
change the nature or the seriousness of the practice. Good men, wise men,
God-fearing men everywhere still denounce the practice as being unworthy of sons
of God; and Christs church denounces it and condemns it so long as men have
bodies which can be defiled. LDS President Spencer W. KimballGail
Ruzicka, Chris Buttars, and the Sutherland Institute should be applauded for
Can you say Sec of Commerce?I guess Huntsman gave up on running for
US Senator as a Republican from Utah (Although he could switch parties and run
as D). He'll never get nominated by the convention delegates now.I
think the timing has nothing to do with supporting gays and more about
positioning himself to be Obama's Sec of Commerce.He's now the
likely bi-partisan, yuppie, green, gay supporting choice who has money.
We keep telling you there is a God. He also considers homosexuality a sin. I
though you would want to know that since you are referring to Him.
"Quit projecting YOUR opinions onto others and claiming that's what THEY
are thinking."This is what the far-right in Utah has been doing for
years. And they don't think people have caught on to it.LOL!
"God consideres homosexuality a sin"Don't be absurd.God
loves everyone and everything.It is only man who embraces hatred and
a hatefilled, unhappy lifestyle.
Way to go Huntsman!Anything that can be done to draw attention to
the nasty far-right neocons of Utah is a plus!
Better read your Bible a bit more closely. God loves all of us inspite of our
sins. It is our sins He can not tolerate.Those who justify whatever
they do as good because it is what they do are those who make your kind of
"God loves everyone and everything."I agree with the "everyone"
part, but God does not love "everything." (See Proverbs 6) That would mean that
God loved good and evil, which isn't the case. God only loves that which is
good, uplifting, holy, and true. It is precisely because he does love
"everyone" that he doesn't love "everything."The fundamental problem
in our world today is that people try to make God into a changeable being to
suit their own desires and purposes. "They seek not the Lord to establish his
righteousness, but every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his
own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world . . . ." (D&C 1:16.)Let us not walk in our "own way" and be subject to the lament that "ye
have sought all the days of your lives for that which ye could not obtain; and
ye have sought for happiness in doing iniquity, which thing is contrary to the
nature of that righteousness which is in our great and Eternal Head." (Hel.
13:38.) The unvarnished truth is that homosexual relations are
sinful and will not lead to happiness.
Judge not lest YE judged.(emphasis on YE)That's a pretty clear
warning from God it seems to me.
"...homosexual relations are sinful" That is the same as
saying sexual relations for pleasure only is a sin.
Mr. Bernick's analysis is very interesting indeed.
12:17 p.m.So... God loves murder?I'm not equating the
two, I'm just pointing out that broad statements like, "God loves everyone and
everything", are usually not exactly true.There are LOTS of things
we carnal humans do on earth that God doesn't love and embrace.
God IS everything.Everything IS God.Something neocons don't
seem to get.
12:28 p.mYou say, "If homosexual relations are sinful, sexual
relations for pleasure only is a sinful".You make the assumption
that the 12:17 commenter only objected to homosexual relations because they are
totally unrelated to procreation. That may be a totally wrong assumption.12:17 could also be thinking homosexual relations are sinful just based
on the nature of the sex acts involved (using parts of the body for functions
they were totally not intended for).Hope this is gentle enough to
get posted. I'm trying to be as vague as possible and still communicate.
"So... God loves murder?"Leave it to a self-righteous neocon to
compare same-sex unions with murder.But that's how their minds
Way to go Governor!Slap some sense into those terrible people known as
For their absolutely UN-Christian approach, Ruzicka, Buttars, the Sutherland
institute will drag all of their ilk to hell right behind them, unfortunately
not soon enough.Mike
This sticking their noses into the private lives of others and demanding
government intervention over it isn't going away for these sad individuals.I don't know when I've ever felt sorrier for this group of people.
"God is everythingand everything is God"Oh I understand, I
understand that you are trying to act like your version of mystisizm is somehow
less abstract or more logical than my belief in the God of Israel.Ya, sure...I am absolutely opposed to Gay Marraige, and according
to my faith and beliefs any Sexual relationship outside of a married man and
woman is not only a sin but also unhealthy.But lets be honest here,
gays don't want mairrage to be married, they want it to be equal. They want it
so they gan get the same tax breaks and privelages and benefits that married
people do. All people should be equal under the Law of our country
and states if they have obeyed that law.To me the thing that needs
to happen is that instead of redefining the current maraige laws the Govornment
needs to get out of the marraige buisness all together. Take the Libertarian
track, just stop regulating it, and stop writing legislation based on it. Let
people to be free to act by the dictates of their concious with regards to their
families and personal lives.
Anonymous | 1:50 p.m.I said right in my posting that I WAS NOT
COMPARING THE 2! Can you read?IF you can read... What
was my point?The point was... That there are things we carnal people
do that God neither loves nor embraces.
No, it is not a choice to be gay, just like in YOUR case, it is not a choice
that you are brain dead.It is not "overcomeable".Where do you get
your facts? Comic books? Fairy tales?(And I'll refrain from going any
farther with the "Fairy Tales")Your head is so deeply buried in your book,
that you have no grasp of reality.You should seek some professional
Every day, I look to this paper to publish either a letter or comment that
cracks me up and makes my day.Thank you Greg, posting above at 12:17, for
being that person today.Ever try Stand-Up?Your kind of
thinking provides comedy like no other.Let me buy you a beer.Michael on Wasatch
Anonymous | 7:43 a.m.So... You admit you were projecting YOUR
opinion into Gov Hunsman's head when you said, "He knows America is sick to
death of far-right lunatic Limbaughites clamoring for Civil War"?How
do YOU know what Gov Hunsman is thinking?And how does it coincidentally
mesh so well with YOUR rhetoric?And you admit to what you were doing
but think it's OK because Neocons did it first? In YOUR words, "This is what
the far-right in Utah has been doing for years. And they don't think people have
caught on to it".Sooo... Now that you've caught onto it, you feel
just fine using this same technique you complain about the Right using?How does that make sense? If it's bad for them to do it, it's equally bad for
YOU to do it. Or do you have a special indulgence that allows YOU to do all the
things you find abhorant in the right?
"...All people should be equal under the Law of our country and states if they
have obeyed that law."So then are we to expect Mormon Mitt Romney to
reverse the law on legal civil unions in Massachussetts?
No more hanging out with Michael Phelps!Mike in Sandy
What next in Utah? Can't you people stay out of trouble with the Law.
Breaking laws | 4:26 p.m.What laws are we breaking?
"...Now that you've caught onto it, you feel just fine using this same technique
you complain about the Right using?"You bet!If you turn
the other cheek with neocons - they'll kick you in the [bleep]Sometimes you have no other recourse than fight fire with fire.Party's over neocons.
does the governor now thinks about the picture in this issue of the DN showing
the gay couples trying to get marriage licenses?
good timing or bad timing,I applaud Governor Huntsman efforts to protect
the rights of Utah citizens...especially during this critical time. Mr. Huntsman, Thank you! Thank you! Wish that more Utah Republicans respected
No law should recognise sodomy as an acceptable 'lifestyle'.Typically Huntsman has pleased liberals much more than conservatives. This is
just more of the same. I feel he has betrayed us yet again.I hope
we can get a conservative governor one of these days.
"Many Utahns...see tents for another purpose to house illegal aliens".
Seriously Deseret News, what does that even mean? How is this one sentence even
relevant to the story? It sticks out like a sore immigrant-bashing thumb.