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Really? | 1:33 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
If this is the case, why is the Senate so bent on implementing a guest worker
program/amnesty for illegal aliens living in the state (SJR1)? Shouldn't
the few available jobs be reserved for citizens only? Perhaps the SL Chamber of
Commerce should back off this ill-advised plan.
American jobs | 3:24 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
Utah and america need jobs not dependent on government spending nor to preserve
the presence of illegals taking jobs away from americans. America as a whole
must become a manufacturing and producing nation instead of a consumer nation.
The whole economy is dependent on producing something and there is proof of this
as you look at where america have moved their manufacturing and production part
of their business. The consumer nation is doomed without manufacturing to create
jobs and keep it workers employed. A tourist based industry is not such a great
thing if people don't have jobs to enjoy their free time. Our country is in
the worst condition since the depression, all because business has declared that
the american workers expect too much from a job. Corporate america doesn't
think the american workers should benefit from their labors to build and create
a thriving and profitable business. Those same corporate leaders have found out
what made them become what they are, the american worker, who they have shunned
and denied as of any value. America was built by the working people, not
corporate profits or illegal foreign nationals.
Mike Ridgway | 4:14 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
So that Republ - "I Can" campaign that Republican State Party Chair,
Stan Lockhart, orchestrated before the November elections.... It wasn't
true?
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Chris J | 5:26 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
I agree. Lay off amnesty for illegal aliens, and don't reward them with
Jobs the real tax paying citizens should get.
Stan | 6:08 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
In reply to "Really", since when was government logical. We live in
the most illogical age of the world. The only thing we have learned from
history, is we haven't learned anything.
Denial a river in Utah | 6:10 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
The fact is that Utah still doesn't think it's in a recession. There
are still too many people who haven't been affected, or have their stores
and figure they can wait it out.
(Anecdote follows:)House hunting this weekend, I was surprised at how few of those selling their homes really were that motivated. Prices are still too high, and I didn't see one single home that had been freshly painted (A relatively EASY and inexpensive home improvement (when compared with things like new carpet, flooring, or roof))
(Anecdote follows:)House hunting this weekend, I was surprised at how few of those selling their homes really were that motivated. Prices are still too high, and I didn't see one single home that had been freshly painted (A relatively EASY and inexpensive home improvement (when compared with things like new carpet, flooring, or roof))
GatewayToNevada | 7:45 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
Probably time to rescind all of the H1-B visas, too.
oldman | 7:52 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
Bush and his cronies will continue to influence us and future generations. It is
amazing that one man and his cronies could do so much destruction. Hey - but -
what he worry?
Re: Oldman | 8:28 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
Can we PLEASE stop blaming everything on GW Bush? How about some personal
responsibility? Or at least placing some of the blame on Pelousy, Reid, Frank,
Dodd, etc. who presided over a failure in congress the past 2 years and Frank
and Dodd in particular asleep at the wheel as chairs of the banking and finance
committees. It was the Demos as I recall who forced home loans to be given to
low lifes.
And how about the media who continues to quote any "expert" they can find who predicts doom and gloom? We're going to talk ourselves into a depression! It almost seems that's what some (including many liberals) want.
We the people hold the power. We decide when this downturn has bottomed out. Scaring people to run like lemmings is irresponsible and, I believe, criminal.
Why do I have to share in the pain of a bunch of greedy slobs on Wall Street or "house flippers" in California? I never benefited. Why am I now paying the price?
And how about the media who continues to quote any "expert" they can find who predicts doom and gloom? We're going to talk ourselves into a depression! It almost seems that's what some (including many liberals) want.
We the people hold the power. We decide when this downturn has bottomed out. Scaring people to run like lemmings is irresponsible and, I believe, criminal.
Why do I have to share in the pain of a bunch of greedy slobs on Wall Street or "house flippers" in California? I never benefited. Why am I now paying the price?
tk | 9:00 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
I'm just one little company, who was planning to do an addition to our inn.
I learned last week appraisers are afraid to give full value because (1) they
think they are being watched over their back and (2) they are using as comps
homes which have been foreclosed bringing everyone's value down. So now,
apparently, I'm in an upside down situation with our wonderful historic
building and can't get the financing to make the additions, which I have
figured would have about doubled our business requiring at least two more full
time - or at least part-time people. Add to that loss the loss of all the
construction, landscaping I am now unable to complete, including solar
panels.
And my appraisal two years ago I thought was very fair, not inflated; we are never late on our payments, etc. I look at my situation as its own little stimulus package gone awry. I need financing and especially I have to not be punished by appraisals using foreclosures to arrive at price per foot. I look around at a few empty houses and I pretty much know who was there. Help me, please.
And my appraisal two years ago I thought was very fair, not inflated; we are never late on our payments, etc. I look at my situation as its own little stimulus package gone awry. I need financing and especially I have to not be punished by appraisals using foreclosures to arrive at price per foot. I look around at a few empty houses and I pretty much know who was there. Help me, please.
max | 9:31 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
Walk into any Wal-Mart see whos doing all the buying. Illegals with 3 kids and
one one the way.( They all vote) Americans first with the jobs. Unemployed Go
to these employer who hire these illegals and ask for their job.
FYI | 9:40 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
This is interesting considering Smart Money ranked Utah as one of the top 5
Places With Promising Job Prospects.
Anonymous | 10:27 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
Where was the why in this article? Why is Utah to be among the hardest hit with
job loss?
Obama Lied | 10:47 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
Any other president could have prevented this devastating job loss in 2009.
Obama is the worst of all of the candidates. You the people are paying the
price of your vote......
Anonymous | 10:50 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
FYI: why is Kohls on the radio announcing job openings? Propoganda. Around here
it's getting quite silly... history has proven fear will make things worse.
Accentuate the positive... | 11:08 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
...eliminate the negative.
"Grim"? Cheer up people.
"Grim"? Cheer up people.
White boy | 11:26 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009
The illegals are doing jobs YOU don`t want,don`t you get it??? Are any of YOU
PEOPLE gonna go roof a house when it`s 100 degrees??? or go milk cows down in
Sanpete??? I think not,If the illegals were blond/blue-eyed from Denmark would
you fell the same??? Hypo-crits
lost in DC | 12:25 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
one glaring weakness I see with the article is that it does not give a starting
point. Without that we have no perspective. Utah has among the lowest
unemployment rates in the nation. I know that is of little comfort to those out
of work right now, but it is a fact.
if we are projected to go from 4.7% unemployment to 6.7%, that's a 200 basis point increase. If another state went from 9.6% to 10.8%, that's only a 120 basis point increase. Since Utah would have a greater increase, you'd think we were worse off, but I'd much rather have 6.7% than 10.8% unemployment.
Now I don't know that those are the actual numbers and projections, but since the article is silent about that type of information, you don't know. But then, gloom and doom sell more newspapers than do well researched, complete articles.
if we are projected to go from 4.7% unemployment to 6.7%, that's a 200 basis point increase. If another state went from 9.6% to 10.8%, that's only a 120 basis point increase. Since Utah would have a greater increase, you'd think we were worse off, but I'd much rather have 6.7% than 10.8% unemployment.
Now I don't know that those are the actual numbers and projections, but since the article is silent about that type of information, you don't know. But then, gloom and doom sell more newspapers than do well researched, complete articles.
obama | 1:36 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
The fundamentals of our economy are to blame. We have been living on borrowed
time. Go back and look at history...a services based economy (i.e. we
don't make anything) never lasts.
Now as far as non-tax paying workers who use our hospitals, schools, etc... As soon as the lazy blue eyed danes get HUNGRY, they will go pick fruit or roof a house. Yes.. hunger has a way of leveling everything.
But, don't worry. My bailout plan will encourage the "middle class" to synthetically exist (we all know the middle class is an abberation created by the 20th century industrial revolution) for a while. Therefore they won't be as motivated (read hungry) to take those disgusting jobs from the non-tax paying workers.
So, sleep well and everyone please enjoy my stimulus!!
Now as far as non-tax paying workers who use our hospitals, schools, etc... As soon as the lazy blue eyed danes get HUNGRY, they will go pick fruit or roof a house. Yes.. hunger has a way of leveling everything.
But, don't worry. My bailout plan will encourage the "middle class" to synthetically exist (we all know the middle class is an abberation created by the 20th century industrial revolution) for a while. Therefore they won't be as motivated (read hungry) to take those disgusting jobs from the non-tax paying workers.
So, sleep well and everyone please enjoy my stimulus!!
don't believe it | 1:40 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
notice that this article gave very little if any specifics about why Utah was
going to be among the worst unemployment states in 09. I personally don't
believe it. The Wasatch Front doesn't have alot of manufacturing jobs or
big production plants that are getting hit so hard nation wide. There are alot
of small to mid size businesses and I haven't heard any huge layoffs
planned for any of these companies going forward. When you write an article like
this you really need to be specific if you are going to cast such a gloom and
doom scenario. This article was very poorly written.
In the end.... | 1:41 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
In the end it is what we make it. We can predict job losses, but you and I can
help change that. IN the end it is what we make of it.
I know a landscaping company who would hire any american first who would work as hard as his illeagals do. The problem is those Americans what twice the pay for half the work. That makes it hard to runa profitable business.
I know a landscaping company who would hire any american first who would work as hard as his illeagals do. The problem is those Americans what twice the pay for half the work. That makes it hard to runa profitable business.
Anonymous | 2:12 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
Lost, Utah is a support economy. It lags the nation. Look at resources. Natural
gas as dropped over a third. As an investor will you drill more wells? Will you
look for oil that isn't profitable at $40? In the last six months copper as
dropped from $3.40 to $1.28. Is producing copper in South America cheaper than
Utah? Skiing and tourism are subject to expendable income levels. Are people
earning less going to ski? What is so unique about Utah that Utah won't be
hit hard?
You could look at Ireland, the Celtic Lion. Once the Irish sounded a lot like Utah. Ireland had Europe's most robust economy. Today, Polish workers are going to Poland because there are more jobs in Poland.
In the end. My brother owns a landscaping business. White kids can't hank it.
Once more, Utah isn't America. California has a 4,000,000,000 Mexican dependent agricultural sector.
You could look at Ireland, the Celtic Lion. Once the Irish sounded a lot like Utah. Ireland had Europe's most robust economy. Today, Polish workers are going to Poland because there are more jobs in Poland.
In the end. My brother owns a landscaping business. White kids can't hank it.
Once more, Utah isn't America. California has a 4,000,000,000 Mexican dependent agricultural sector.
lost in DC | 2:15 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
"don't believe it"'s comments make my point. The article
makes it appear that Utah will have among the highest unemployment rates, but
that's not what it says, it says Utah's job losses will be greater
than the average, but since we are coming from a much better starting point, we
may not end up with the highest unemployment. going from 4.7 to 6.7 may be bad,
but it's not as bad as going from 8.8 to 8.9, even though the incremental
increase 20 times as bad.
I live in Utah | 2:27 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
And I know their is a recession. Obama and the Liberals have caused it, and have
added to it with this stimulus bill. Fellow liberals Snowe, Spectre and Collins
are also now official members of the deranged left.
lost in DC | 2:45 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
anonymous 2:12, were you addressing me?
I'm not arguing that we don't lag the rest of the nation, I don't know that I'm arguing anything you said.
I'm saying the article is so poorly written it doesn't really support anything, but it tries to paint a picture of gloom and doom.
I'll repeat, it we go from 4.7% unemployment to 9.4%, our unemployment rate will double, but we would still be in better shape than another state that increased by 1/2 from 8% to 12% unemployment.
All the article had to do was forecast unemployment rates rather than job losses, but I guess that would not sell as many papers as a gloom and doom story.
I'm not arguing that we don't lag the rest of the nation, I don't know that I'm arguing anything you said.
I'm saying the article is so poorly written it doesn't really support anything, but it tries to paint a picture of gloom and doom.
I'll repeat, it we go from 4.7% unemployment to 9.4%, our unemployment rate will double, but we would still be in better shape than another state that increased by 1/2 from 8% to 12% unemployment.
All the article had to do was forecast unemployment rates rather than job losses, but I guess that would not sell as many papers as a gloom and doom story.
Anonymous | 3:20 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
Utah started out at 2.5% unemployment, is now at 4.5%, so even with a large loss
in employment, we will still be ahead of most states, regardless of the
percentage change.
All the other states have already lost more jobs. I would still pick Utah over most other states right now.
All the other states have already lost more jobs. I would still pick Utah over most other states right now.
BG | 3:24 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
How can this be? A few short months ago, we were told, that Utah's economy
- was bullet proof! Gosh, that's 180 degrees! Do you think our
State/local Republican, right-wing fanatics/ extremists - got it wrong?
It's time for a political, reality check! Sadly, they adamantly spew, more
of the same ole, Republican, fringe insults to thought/reason, election year
politics/ moralist propoganda, deceit/lies - simply put, pure, premeditated
manipulation, for votes! Got ya, how does it feel? We've been had again,
and again, and again - by these servants, of special interest,
affluence/greed!!! With the exception of Jim Matheson, our beloved/trusted,
Republican, Congressional Delegation, just voted against, the economic stimulous
package/investment in America - that would have provided desperately needed
relief/help, to beleaguered Uthans/State economy, in free fall! Make no
mistake, conservative, fringe ideology, is the primary, root cause, of our
economic death spiral! Nero played his fiddle, as Rome burned to ashes -
Republicans are doing the same, with America! Can we trust, their judgement -
will they act? Our fanatical, fringe Republican, conservatives, are going, to
drown us all - in a sea, of mindless, partisan incompetence/fringe
intransigence! Good People - help!
Anonymous | 3:31 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
I'm eagerly awaiting to see how many nay-sayers of the Economic recovery
and stimulus plan will be crying fowl when THEY are among the 32,000 individuals
expected to loose their jobs this year.
Will they still be anti-HELP Government, when they're loosing their home, their cars, can't pay for the kids college education anymore, can't pay for their free-market driven health/medical insurance anymore,..? What will they say and be feeling then?
Hopefully, that their Republican party and its crony-driven elitist economics betrayed them, and they were in the end 'used' and abused for an economic ideology that in the end did not serve their interests and never will.
What will you folks say then?
Will they still be anti-HELP Government, when they're loosing their home, their cars, can't pay for the kids college education anymore, can't pay for their free-market driven health/medical insurance anymore,..? What will they say and be feeling then?
Hopefully, that their Republican party and its crony-driven elitist economics betrayed them, and they were in the end 'used' and abused for an economic ideology that in the end did not serve their interests and never will.
What will you folks say then?
Pleasantville | 3:31 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
There is no recession in Utah.
There are no unemployment problems in Utah.
Every thing is just fine and dandy as usual.
Hummin' right along like clockwork.
This is just another lie created by the liberals.
There are no unemployment problems in Utah.
Every thing is just fine and dandy as usual.
Hummin' right along like clockwork.
This is just another lie created by the liberals.
MLM Will Save The Day | 3:59 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
What about our Multi-Level-Marketing companies? Won't they save the day.
They can sell over-priced product based on dubious marketing claims that are
whispered through the organization to the end consumer. And they can get
desperate people to buy their product "kits" on hopes of being on the
ground floor of the next big one. For every job we lose, we will get one of
these high-paying jobs back...
Tell This to Your Legislator | 4:22 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
Did anyone show Rep. Neil Hansen, D-Ogden this information before he proposed
giving himself and his fellow legislators a raise?
Utah Worker | 9:05 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
As a Worker in Utah, times are really getting tough!
Where I work, our hours have been cut back. Food prices keep rising and there is constant talk on radio stations of all the unemployed around the country. Don't think that what happens elsewhere doesn't affect our buisnesses in this state. We are not an island! The ressession ended and this is now a depression. Only no one will say the word.
As time passes, eventually things will get better. It's just going to take alot of time and stress before better times arrive.
Where I work, our hours have been cut back. Food prices keep rising and there is constant talk on radio stations of all the unemployed around the country. Don't think that what happens elsewhere doesn't affect our buisnesses in this state. We are not an island! The ressession ended and this is now a depression. Only no one will say the word.
As time passes, eventually things will get better. It's just going to take alot of time and stress before better times arrive.
mark | 11:02 p.m. Feb. 10, 2009
the Hate State losing jobs.....what a pity
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