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Nerve agent may be missing

Pentagon auditors note discrepancies at Utah depot and elsewhere

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  • Erik the Read
    Feb. 11, 2009 5:34 a.m.

    Thanks, Davol! It's a good hypothesis. The persistent but unsuccessful attempts at building a case against the Iranians for supplying the Iraqi insurgents with weapons and road-side bombs show that the idea of framing the "bad guys" has its adherents in the DoD. The trouble with nerve gases and such is that experts are able to determine their origin through analysis. My guess is that UN weapons experts would be quick to determine the origin of any planted chemical agent in Iraq.

  • Davol
    Feb. 10, 2009 11:39 a.m.

    I'd like to add my tinfoil hat 2 cents here. This might be related to an Internet rumor out there that the CIA front organization Brewster Jennings and Assoc thwarted an attempt to smuggle nervegas through Turkey into Iraq back in November of 2002. This is related to evidence known by Sible Edmonds of a Turkey espionage connection that she has been under a gag order to not talk about since 9/11. This also connects to ousted CIA agent Valarie Plame who was in charge of Brewster Jennings. The article doesn't give me an idea of exactly when (2002?) this nerve gas may have disappeared, but perhaps there is a connection here to an attempt to plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq before the war. People like to ask why the Bush admin didn't' plant WMD's. Well they tried and failed, which explains a lot of intrigue that afterwards occurred in Bush's CIA.

  • Erik the Read
    Feb. 10, 2009 6:47 a.m.

    I recall how the US got on its high horse when Sadam Hussein couldn't account for all the WMDs that had been destroyed in the 1990's. It was taken as proof that he still had such weapons. Well, dear Americans, now the burden of proof is on you, and you will find that proving the non-existence of anything is virtually impossible.

    Actually the US troops did find a rusty heap of gas grenades in Iraq, all clearly marked "made in the USA".

    I wonder what the Geneva Accords say about making and storing the kinds of weapons that have now gone missing in Utah. My guess is that you have been in breach of your international commitments for decades.

  • Eric Vaughan
    Feb. 10, 2009 2:51 a.m.

    Thank you Deseret News for reporting this. Doing so tells those who'd factor in a Cherynoble or two into their economic plans that someone will write about it.

  • Walking Turtle
    Feb. 10, 2009 2:08 a.m.

    @ matt | 12:34 p.m. Feb. 9, 2009
    "Some of you people need to get out of your mothers basement and loose[sic] the tinfoil hats. Your[sic] down right pathetic."

    =============

    Some media-driven believers of mainstream media need a fresh cup of coffee. Anyone who googles {Minot missing murder} will find plenty worth looking into.

    Cheney/BushCo manipulation? Go figure!

    Fact: If the US really had a *real* terror problem, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz'd never do lecture gigs. Of all the hated ones on earth, the NeoCon is the most widely hated of all by Muslims everywhere. But that does not stop the media lies!

    Tinfoil? Fraudulent International Finance and all the deadly games that back its imposition on all the Rest of Us, is more like it. The Bush Admin's Minot-to-Barksdale nuke drama is just more Deadly Scare-Um-Silly National Bad Power Theatre, is all.

    TINFOIL? Matt, as a senior Indigenous American small business operator and property manager, I just have no idea what to tell your odd-parsed and hateful ("Palinesque") kind any more. Is the Spirit of Cheney still with you?

  • escapefromobamastan
    Feb. 10, 2009 12:16 a.m.

    Do any zionists have access? Look what happened at Ft. Deitrich with Philip Zack having illegal access to the weaponized anthrax spores and then the anthrax attacks occurred. Of course, he was never investigated.

  • bunker boy
    Feb. 9, 2009 3:57 p.m.

    Is there still a nuclear bomb missing from the USAF?

  • Spot
    Feb. 9, 2009 12:54 p.m.

    Have you guys ever experienced laughing gas in the dentist office? It is definitly a nerve agent.

  • matt
    Feb. 9, 2009 12:34 p.m.

    Some of you people need to get out of your mothers basement and loose the tinfoil hats. Your down right pathetic.

  • sparkey
    Feb. 9, 2009 11:11 a.m.

    Remember what Cheney said about a terrorist attack? Just what kind of terror would a nerve gas attack cause? I wouldn't put anything past him. He still thinks that he is ruling this country, and he probably is. I don't trust him to get back in power.

  • Tim
    Feb. 9, 2009 11:07 a.m.

    Nobody ever claimed the military wasn't staffed by our countries most prolific morons...

  • Dave
    Feb. 9, 2009 9:12 a.m.

    That tears it. Time to invade. Over throw the aggressive regime. They didn't allow the UN inspectors in and now they are hiding the nerve agents.

    It's already taken so long they've surely sent them to Canada for safe keeping.

  • nygrump
    Feb. 9, 2009 9:09 a.m.

    The Air Force misplaced some nuclear bombs recently so don't think there is no story here.

    Coincidentally, there is a wave of murders among servicemen who worked out of Minot.

  • Teran
    Feb. 9, 2009 8:31 a.m.

    So who cares, it is just our lives that we are talking about and how important can that be when ultimately we only have a single destiny, so it comes earlier rather than later: big deal.

  • Martin D
    Feb. 8, 2009 4:30 p.m.

    Also since 1997 destruction has been independently monitored by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. Any discrepancies were worked out and explained. In in end, all one ton containers go through the process and there is no chemical agent left.

  • blogger
    Feb. 8, 2009 4:30 p.m.

    I am a nerve agent.

  • Johnny Moser
    Feb. 8, 2009 3:17 p.m.

    djt@853 - Thanks for spelling this out, though I think most of the knuckleheads that believe there is some nerve agent out there that "sneaked" out of the container is is hiding out there won't be smart enough to understand your argument. The army didn't miss any of the containers, ALL ton containers were processed, drained, and incinerated, including everything that was in them sat in a furnace for more than half an hour at over 1000 degrees. All that matters is ALL ton containers that held agent aren't there anymore. I am not going to worry about pounds and ounces when talking about tons.

  • Cats
    Feb. 8, 2009 2:08 p.m.

    To Nerve Agent: That is one of the dumbest blogs I have EVER seen posted.

  • Nerve agent
    Feb. 8, 2009 1:21 p.m.

    The minute this is released, Utahans will all be Democrats and environmentalists. It always takes knocking people upside the head to agree that taking care of the working class is in their best interest.

  • JF
    Feb. 8, 2009 9:47 a.m.

    What makes this piece sensational? Where are the scare tactics? The reporter tells us that there are discrepancies in the accounting and explains how those discrepancies might have occurred. Nothing very scary there.

  • Another fine example...
    Feb. 8, 2009 9:25 a.m.

    of the federal government doing what they do best....NOT looking out for the health and well-being of the American people.

  • Ok :-)
    Feb. 8, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    Come on! Was nerve gas ever accidentally released by the army. Forget the history of the words snafu or fubar are rooted in army life. I served in the US Army, it ran like a finely tuned sports car.

  • Evets
    Feb. 8, 2009 8:57 a.m.

    I get so tired of this sensational reporting. This article is such bull. Can't the Deseret News come up with some good articles instead of scare tactics? Nerve agent is not something you sneek out of a secure area in your pocket.

  • djt
    Feb. 8, 2009 8:53 a.m.

    I was in high school when slide rules were replaced with electronic calculators. The chemistry teacher said "just because you have 7 digits displayed doesn't mean you have seven significant digits in your calculations." If you count one ton containers for liquid, your count will be: one ton, two tons, three tons....
    I think that the article says that there are possibilities reasonably attributable to accounting methods. It is odd how people will hyperventilate over hollywood scenario conspiracies that someone says are possible, yet we accept tens of thousands of auto crash deaths each year as an acceptable cost of speeding and drunk driving. I guess it is not dramatic enough to get emotional about.

  • former worker
    Feb. 8, 2009 7:47 a.m.

    you are talking about a 2000lb container stored in a secured bunker. No way it is going anywhere, and even if it did, how would they get it open? Having worked tehre and seen it all, i have no doubt all is accounted for

  • Kitchy
    Feb. 8, 2009 7:22 a.m.

    Oh, yeah, lets' continue to be apathetic to anything that might be detrimental to our personal comfort zones. What a bunch of nuts. If there is missing chemical nerve agent you would be the first to scream. Get a life. No one said you had to read the article. Thanks for reporting what is really going on at the Tooele Army Depot. I have doubts that it is all accounted for because there is always a fringe element who might try and keep some for whatever sick reason they might have.

  • Yawn
    Feb. 8, 2009 4:20 a.m.

    I agree with Dave. This is about as exciting as reviewing the amortization tables in Form 104B while doing my federal income taxes. If there was something specific to report, the reporter missed it. Pretty contrived, if you ask me. Just because it has the headline "chemical agents" in the headline, probably think it makes a good article or headline to sell newspapers. You can only cry "wolf" so many times. If there was something really scary to report, then do it justice. Don't make something out of nothing. A lot of us are getting tired of the sky is falling school of journalism. And journalism that relies on the lazy methods of FOIA requests of federal agencies to do a reporter's work for them.

  • Dave
    Feb. 7, 2009 11:35 p.m.

    Come on, Lee. Lay off the Cool Aid. Why would anyone have "shivvers" about the alleged discrepancies? I am absolutely certain that there is not an extra ton container lying around somewhere at the storage/disposal site that could escape destruction. Despite all the press releases you have been quoting over the years from lobbyists paid by those opposed to the incineration process, the system has functioned flawlessly.