Government accused of driving off recreationers, oil and gas industry
It's because of irresponsible use of public lands that have generated laws to
keep motorized off road vehicles off them. Being one with nature is shanks and
ponies, not race bikes and 4 wheelers tearing up the terrain creating land
erosion and destruction of the already fragile ecosystem. If you want to train a
child to be a dirt biker then do it in control areas, not the open fields.
Retstictions and laws come about becasue of irresponsibilty and abuse, not to
keep people out. People can still use the public lands, they just can't and
shouldn't be allowed to destroy it so others can't enjoy it.
The Constitution, Civil Liberties and Civil Rights!I am 70I found
out when I stood up for my rights, I became a Felon, No FREEDON OF SPEECHUtah does not know who the Public is.Public Lands are State LandsState Lands are owned by the Public.Not Utah !!!!!!The States
share belongs to the People.The PEOPLE do not have a POLICE FORCE working
for usThey are working for the CITY , City Robin HoodsThey are
sucking blood like a Orgsanized Gang with the States permissionJust ask
the Attorney GeneralHe is proud of the POLICE, Who does he work for
????????Utah is not America, I might as well be Cuba or M exicaHow
about Germany in the 1930's?
Can anyone out ther tell me how our Federal Goverment. Can dictate, against our
beloved CONSTITUTION. Telling the STATE OF UTAH and it's honorable citizenry.
You can do this. You can't do that. Enough is enough. America wake up. When
good people do nothing, evil people rule !!! The people of the STATE OF UTAH,
do not, need a king. Public land is still the public land of Utah. Their is
great wisdom, when the citizens of the STATE OF UTAH. Make the dicision. What
to do with Utah's public lands. Where is LIBERTY??? Where is STATE FREEDOM???
A word to the wise is sufficient.
The schools will just have to cram more kids into class rooms and pay lower
wages. At least for the next 4 years.
Actually, I'm kind of glad Karl can't just pull over anywhere he feels like it
and go riding his motorcycle. I've been too many places where the hills and
land is just torn up by all the ATVs (it is more difficult to identify
motorcycle tracks, although I see those in odd places, too.)What I
would be concerned about is, if the State takes over, they'll just break all the
land up and sell it to the highest bidder. Forget being able to go places you
used to. Now, you'll have to either join a club or maybe even not be able to go
there at all. Utah will become just like most of the States to the East of us -
Noel is cheerleading for the rape, ruin and run crowd. Poor folks can't drill
in super sensitive area, poor folks can't run their atv's over everything. Noel
shoul move to Texas where there is very no public land...maybe he would be
If this little band of eco-dictators had their way, Americans would be penned up
in urban chicken coops with little ticky-tacky trains and buses, and only the
elites would be given licenses to go onto public lands. Welcome to Solent Green
and the anti-human contingency.
Boo-hoo! Off-roaders have lots of room to roam. Just because they can't tear
up new places, they cry and whine. Selfishness.
I live in the north west corner of this state. Most of the land here belongs to
ranchers with very little BLM land and our biggest problem is all the "off road
enthusiasts". They cut fences and break gates letting the cattle out on the
highway and ride their ATVs all over private property and when confronted they
always say "This is public land and I can ride here if I want". Since it takes
the Box Elder county deputies a minimum of 45 minutes to get out here and
trespassing is a low priority for them they know they can break the law without
much to worry about. These are the same yahoo's that say they are
upset cause they can't ride where ever they want? they already do, wether its
public land or private, they dont care. They are only concerned about riding
their ATVs whenever and were ever they want. Your rights be damned.
Maybe we could let Native Americans decide how the public lands are to be used,
they seem to have reached a closer relationship to it.
I've never seen such a group of people who hate the idea of "stewardship" so
much as people who comment on this site. Why does Utah love corporate interests
so much, and hate the idea of land being protected from being overrun by them?
What is the big rub against clean water, air, roads, and feeling safe with the
things you consume; the things that corporations have zero interest in
protecting? You people are very strange, considering you actually have to live
in this world.
A nice piece of one-sided puffery that couldve been written by the oil and gas
industry. Maybe it was. At the very least the reporter couldve told us how much
Malone was paid for his flakery and by whom.
There is a plethora of ATV trails that interconnect the state. Many cities have
designated ATV routes so that the riders can go into cities. I went on these
trails for the first time near Beaver, Ut to Bryce Canyon last summer without
loading the ATV into a trailer. I suspect a lot of money was spent on these
routes. What makes me mad is the guys statement that he should be able to let
his kid off the side of the road to ride his motorcycle. Give me a break! I
own some farm property where riders felt they could just tear the place up
(especially during mud seasons). Trash was strewn everywhere and the ruts
motorcycles and ATV's left are awful! I like the public lands landscapes. I
want things to be preserved for future generations. I don't know if I can hang
onto my farm (development, taxes), but I am happy we have public lands that
preserve the beautiful! Stay on the many trails we have now folks! Mike Noel,
Karl Malone-get with the times!
I attended the rally after delivering the following letter to Governor
Huntsman's Office. Other addressees included Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack,
Forest Service Chief Gail Kimbell and Intermountain Regional Forester Harv
Forsgren:We, The Stewardship Group, understand the 2001 Roadless
Rule as being unnecessary and unlawful, in violation of National Environmental
Policy and Wilderness Acts. In 100+ page rulings (2003 and 2008), Federal Judge
Clarence Brimmer, twice so wrote. Governor Freudenthal is in agreement wilth
Brimmer."ROADLESS RULE IN LIMBO" seems to be true because George W.
Bush and his appointees neither agreed or disagreed with Judge Brimmer. It
appears the 2001 Roadless Rule was kept around to fight over.Please
declare all roadless area inventories moot on National Forest lands in Utah. As
a former Forest Service road engineer, I am available to assist in "Caring for
the Land and Serving People."Jim TrenholmCounselor/Mediatorwww.uccr.netThe Stewardship GroupRoy, Utah 84067801-731-4817
I suggest a full court one-on-one tournament to 21 between Malone and Redford at
the Energy Solutions Center. Winner takes all. I think that would be a nice
solution to our energy.
I think these comments are so one sided because the rest of us are still
recovering from the shock "change" of this last two weeks. I'm not sure I'll
ever be the same person I was. Is there someone out there who needs a worker for
his or her campaign? I will work tirelessly and I can start tomorrow.
Hmm, let me guess, the ever-articulate former Jazzman said something like this:
"Karl Malone will drive his big truck where Karl Malone wants to drive his big
What ever happened to Utah being a law-and-order kind of place? Last I heard,
trespassing on private property was against the law, as was riding ATVs on
no-motorized-vehicle public lands. I wonder how many of these same off-road
vandals are clamoring for the removal of illegal aliens from our fair state
(whose crime, incidentally, is the legal equivalent of trespassing)?As for the scuttled lands deals, it was common knowledge that the Bush
administration was trying to shove those through in last-minute auctions that
could be overturned once the new administration took over, so those bidding on
the parcels should have known it was a risky buy to begin with. Small pity indeed, for people whose only idea of enjoyment requires noise,
exhaust, and wanton destruction of sensitive terrain. Also for all those poor
oil companies who thought they were getting a sure thing, even though the
newspapers all said otherwise.
I can't believe Malone now shills for crazies like Noel and the USA-ALL crowd.
These people only care about their own interests and have no appreciation that
public lands in Utah are exceptional and deserve thoughtful stewardship. These
clowns want to turn the whole state into an industrial park.
After a drive through Nine Mile Canyon to see what all the fuss is about I've
come to the conclusion that in spite of the fact that we "need" oil and gas
development, there has to be some oversight. This amazing canyon that has more
known petroglyphs than anywhere else on earth is being destroyed by the
development of gas and oil reserves for greed and profit. The Utah public are
the big losers, allowing this industry to trash this earthly treasure. There has
GOT to be an agreeable compromise for us all.
to say "it was common knowledge that the Bush administration..." is like saying
the war was for Cheney - you lose all credibility right up front. Find out the
facts about those so-called "last-minute" auctions, and if you can stand the
truth, you'll have to muster up an ounce or two of intellectual honesty. That's
all we ask. But from the remainder of your comments, I'd guess your mind and
"sound-bites" are pretty well made up.
Public lands are public only until the environmentalists take charge and kick
everybody off the land. Wilderness designation is the worst thing that ever
happened to this planet; it keeps everyone off the land except the young, the
mobile, the wealthy. The handicapped can't use it (no motorized vehicles), the
elderly can't use it (no motorized vehicles), it can't be farmed, mined,
harvested, or otherwise utilized for our common good. It sits there, useless,
for the special appreciation of a handful of eco-freaks.
These are the same Tree Huggers,That build a huge house,on animals winter range,
then complain about the deer eating thier bushes.Remember Public land use is for
all to enjoy no matter what your activity.We pay are taxes too .Go back to
Califorina! We never had a problem till you people moved to Utah.
There needs to be strict regulation protecting public lands from ignorant
poachers with their disregarts for nature and others right to enjoy the land as
Public lands are called "public" because the public pays for the land via taxes.
Public lands are owned by governments as corporations, and the governments sets
the rules for use of the land. The people do not own public lands. A more
accurate term would be to call the lands "government lands".
i have to agree with the person who said that public lands are no longer public
when tree huggers take over.how about we let the voters decide?
To: dick labbatt | 10:32 a.m. Feb. 7, 2009 :Typical Utah rant... Californians should move here and bring jobs and money then sit down and shut
up or get out. Choose one or the other, you don't get both.
Research the experience of Lindsey Williams, an ordained Baptist minister for 28
years, who went to Alaska in 1971 as a missionary and was chaplain for the
Transalaska oil pipeline. Find and read The Energy Non-Crisis by Lindsey
Williams, in which he reports extreme government interference.
Finally stars like Karl Malonestand up and help out. Thanks Karl. soon there
will be no place for recreation. We also need drilling both oil and natural
gas.For the security of our country and not to mention JOBS that are
created.Environmentalists EXTREME ones need to face reality.They want us to live
in mud huts with no toilets and walk everywhere.I love Utah as much as
anyone,but hard working people need outdoor recreation.Bill clinton and Obama
have never set foot in beautiful southern utah.They need to leave us alone!
To "fed up" don't know what you're talking about. I don't want your California
jobs or your money. How about sticking to the subject matter. P.S. That's why
California is going bankrupt.
I live out here smack dab in the middle of Utah's oil patch. So unlike you
metrophyles, I know what I'm talking about.Yes, we sorely need to
become energy independent. But, not at the cost of irreparably scaring and
damaging the land, watershed, archeological and anthropological treasures.I saw how both large and small companies moved in here the past two
years and set shop up in anticipation and solely on the basis of Bush issuing
his last minute executive orders and edicts to allow oil/gas leases without
proper and LEGALLY MANDATED reviews of the impact of those operations on land,
water table and archelogical sites... NONE WHATSOEVER! Their gamble has now put
them tough out of luck.As for Constitutional meaning of 'people,'
'States Rights,' etc., well... that all went out the window when the United
States didn't allow for the Constitutionally allowed and under-Law pursued
secession of the South from the United States. By the United States (i.e. the
Union) imposing its will, through military force, upon the South, war resulted,
because abolishonist religious fanaticism imposed itself on the South... the
entrenching of American Centralized Federalism, the antithesis of
Some of us find these places spiritual. How would you feel if someone were to
treat you cathedrals with such disrespect. We the people of Utah have some of
the most awe inspiring landscapes in the world. Lets keep them that way for our
future generations to enjoy. The wilderness is the only thing left worth
Yes, Nine Mile Canyon is a sensitive area. Bill Barrett, who is doing much of
the drilling in that area, has gone to great expense and effort to lessen the
effects of trucks driving on the roads. He has paid for special coatings on the
road to keep down the dust. The speed limit is greatly reduced and controlled.
He's re-routed the road to go around sensitive areas. The Deseret News has
published articles regarding these efforts, such as "Lawmakers Support Tavaputs
Drilling Project" on Sept. 18, 2008. As some of the commenters on that
particular article said, the oil and gas industry is essential to the economy of
the Basin area of eastern Utah and western Colorado. Someone was worried about
dust on the plants. One good rainstorm takes care of that, as well as the dust
on the petroglyphs, which have weathered decades and maybe centuries of wind,
dust, and erosion. Responsible drilling does not harm the environment, and
provides a living for a large number of people.
There are many responsible ATV club's and individual off road rider's that
love to see this great State on there ATV's. Like anything else a few
irresponsible people ruin things for all. I challenge all off road vehicle users
to show respect for the area's that they ride, so that we can continue to ride
and allow future generations the same pleasure. Also the oil drilling issues
should be dealt with separately.
Funny. I have seen more of Utah than most. I have never been kicked off land by
environmentalist. I am descended from a 1.2 million year linage of bipeds. I was
taking my first steps at 18 months. By time I was eight I could do 10 mile solo
hikes. It took no gas to walk. Walking never cost taxpayers. Walking didn't
require thousand of dollars in machinery. I'm walked barefoot, in shoes, boots
and sandals. ATA's are elitist. No anyone can tear up their little
patch of earth without buy a ATV, trailers and a truck to tow this junk.It was driving around Utah that made me stop using my 4X4 Toyota. I saw
the ruination of the land over time. It was immoral. I couldn't be part of this
criminal activity so I stopped driving jeep roads figuring if I want to see
something I had better walk to see it.
I moved to Utah because of the great abundance of outdoor activities for me and
my family. I like to ATV ride all over the wilderness. I have never cut
a fence, rode on private property or dis-respected private land ownership. I
never leave anything behind except track. I believe that those who cut fences
and leave gates open should have to pay the price, fines, but don't punish all
of us who respect the public land.
It's no fun to live in Utah if you can't ride all over it and mess it up.
Funny how the major oil companies won't touch this with a 10-foot pole. They
leave it to local oil drillers to fight against protection of the land, so the
big brand names won't be tarnished. And the manufacturers of 4-wheel drive
vehicles like Toyota are staying out of sight. They know it's bad for business,
so they let the Utah ORV folks do their dirty work.
I believe James Madison and Thomas Jefferson said(and warned us) it best:"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal
government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State
governments are numerous and indefinite."-- James Madison, Federal No. 45,
January 26, 1788 "I consider the foundation of the Constitution as
laid on this ground that 'all powers not delegated to the United States, by the
Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states or
to the people.' To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn
around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of
power not longer susceptible of any definition."-- Thomas Jefferson,
Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank, February 15, 1791 "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain
ground."-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to E. Carrington, May 27, 1788
I enjoy riding ATVs. I also like hiking in pristine areas where few people go.
It seems to me that we have enough public land to have lots of different uses on
it.You can have a 1 million acre parcel and ask an environmentalist
how much of it should be set aside for oil exploration, for recreational vehicle
use, for paved roads, and for private businesses. The answer seems to be always
the same - ZERO! They think every square inch should remain in an undisturbed
state and the only people who should be able to see it are those who can do so
without ever leaving a trace that they were there.
For all the wingnuts above who somehow think that Congress - and the rest of the
federal government - does not have the proper constitutional authority to
regulate the use of federal lands, I suggest you read the Property Clause of the
Constitution, Art. IV, 3, cl. 2."The Congress shall have power to
dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory
or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this
Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United
States, or of any particular state."If you want to read a definitive
interpretation of this clause, I suggest you look up Kleppe v. New Mexico (U.S.
Supreme Court, 426 U.S. 529 (1976)).
ATV's are much like drinking beer in Utah. You can't drink beer in public parks
because of a few fools who caused trouble. You can't lite fireworks because of a
few who started fires. You can't take you dog for a walk in canyons east of Slat
Lake they might hurt the watershed. Welcome to the world, the rest of us reside
I cheer for the protestors. We need to reign in out-of-control Federal
bureaucrats who know nothing about Western lands and have probably never been
here. They are simply power-hungry, and do these kinds of things because they
think they can.Those who live on the land should have the greatest
say in what happens on the land--not D.C. lawyers.
Utah is NOT a territory.All lands in Utah belong to utah,But the Feds keep wanting to take Utah's lands by executive decree and at the
behest of environmental wackos.
I remember driving up to Willard Peak from Mantua (Box Elder County) in the
1970s with my dad. We made it in an old Ford Station Wagon with little problem.
A couple of years ago I tried to take my own family up there in a Subaru
Outback and we couldn't make it, the road had been so messed up by ATVs. The
places I used to camp around Dock's Flat have all been trashed.I
appreciate that there needs to be areas for people who ride four-wheelers and
motorcycles to enjoy themselves, but leave the rest of us some pristine areas to
enjoy for ourselves.
Now that Bush is out of the way, thank goodness someone is looking out for our
wilderness areas. We can't afford to have kooks like Malone and the rest of you
anti-environmentalists tearing up the land and selling it off like slices of
pizza to greedy oil interests.To those who feel otherwise.. deal
with it for another 4 years!!!!! We had to live with the Bush administration's
retarded environmental decisions. Now you get to live with ours.
To: Geezer,Many of those independent oil/gas companies you talk
about are either autonomous subsidiary companies of the large brand-name oil
companies, or independents who have non-disclosed contracts with the big boys
doing their bidding. Not always, but mostly so.Nine mile is an
independent company that got most of those lease rights through Bush's
circumventing lawful and regulatory standards, who has already existing
arrangements with Andrako gas (a very large independent natural gas
explorer/driller) who in turn is getting all the Basin's natural gas linked into
the national Big Boys distribution grid which will subject all this gas to the
outrageous speculation that's been part of our economic woes, that continues to
drive the windfall profits of the big gas companies, while the damage to
environment, watershed and national treasures get raped, pillaged and damaged by
the so called 'small independent gas companies.'Believe me, the
independent gas companies cannot exist without the big boys being deep into
their operations. It's the fact that they are 'independently' owned that keeps
the shenanigans out of the public eye and scrutiny.Big, little,
independent or publicly traded, they're still the same.
"Right now, I can't take my kid off the side of the road and teach him how to
ride his motorcycle unless it's been designated by the federal government as an
open area" - Karl MaloneThat quote perfectly sums up what is wrong
with some (not all) ATVers. A hundred years ago, I can see Malone's grand-dad
saying "Right now, I can't take my kid hunting elk unless he gets one of those
government licenses". The arrogance that assumes you can do whatever you want,
wherever you want on the land that belongs to us all, is what got us here in the
first place. It's an entitlement attitude.
Bush had 8 years to open up these lands for auction, but only does so in the
last weeks of his presidency.
Congress has no power to own land other than the specific types of land
enumerated in Article I Section 8. Only land for the District of Columbia,
forts, magazines and other needful buildings. The power to regulate property
given Congressin Article IV Section 3, is merely that power incidental to
Congress' role as disposer of the property that came into the federal
government's hands through various means. Congress has no constitutional
authority to hang on to all the millions upon millions of acres of BLM and
Forest ground. I'm not saying that ground not remain public land. I'm saying
that title to the land should be conveted to the respective states. Then the
states can hold onto that ground as public lands. But there's no constitutional
authority for Congress to hold title to the ground, unless it's part of the
District of Columbia, or forts, magazines and other needful buildings, and only
then after a State's legislature agrees.The Kleppe decision does not
alter this truth. All Kleppe stands for is the proposition that as long as the
feds own land, Congress can regulate it. But Congress must dispose of it. The
Show me where in the Constitution that Congress has the power to own all these
BLM lands. No, Article IV Section 3 cl. 2 is not correct. That section merely
makes Congress the branch of federal government - as among the three - the one
to do the actual disposing of property. Remember people, territory came into
the hand of the federal government in different ways over the last two hundred
years. But the only power the Constitution gave Congress with respect to land
in general (other than the District of Columbia, forts, magazines and other
needful buildings) IS TO DISPOSE OF IT. Yes, Kleppe is right, that during such
time that Congress holds title, then Congress has the say. But Kleppe begs the
question, whether Congress may simply hang on to the land or should Congress
dispose of it.This is a union of separate stand alone states. This
is not some big facist nation with 50 mere servile provinces. Notice its United
States of America, not United Provinces of the Nation State of America. The
Feds exist to serve the states, not vis versa.
States are not mere geographical units of one large monolithic nation state.
The Federal Government was chartered by the States, not to take over the States,
but to serve the States by peforming several strictly limited powers deemed best
to be exercised on a federal level. States, stand up to the feds.
Congress and Obama have trampled the Constitution with their bailout and
stimulus bills. Such deficit spending is illegal. Why do states and cities
grovel at the pig troth. This is deterioration of states rights, slowly and
surely. Our nation is sinking to despotism, socialism and State servitude of
federal bureaucracies. States are the last thin blue line against Tyranny.
These massive trillion dollar spending bills loom like a thick black evil on the
land. It's a terrible usurpation of power found nowhere in the constitution.
Where in the Constitution does it say that Congress may dole out a trillion
dollars. That is socialism. All I can say is help. Our country is being ravished
right before our very eyes. The enviros, the democrat wackos ramming this
spending. Dark forces are gatering on the land. America is in trouble. More
and more judges are liberal legislators. Tyranny.
The jackals and hyenas of the enviro left are circling, and marching to the
direction of their overlord Obama. They are like those hideous armies of half
dead creatures who marched on the righteous people in Lord of The Rings for the
big battle. Obama is leading a carefully crafted, purposeful, malicious
campaign to tear down America, take away her greatness, and make America into a
mediocre socialist state. The jackal enviro groups smell blood. They are on a
grim march, with their blood lust goal: the annihilation of americal western
rural civilization. They will relentlessly march until rural civilization is
extinct. That is their malicious and evil goal. Give public lands to States to
run and manage. Federal ineptitude and bloated bureacracies make the simplest
solutions take months and years to carry out. A big bloated monster, is the
Federal Government. My bloood run cold as I think about the legions of ghouls
and fruit cakes who make up the national wilderness lobby; their blood lust,
again, is the killing off of rural western American civilization. We know your
game. Bring it on leftists. This is cultural war.
The Bush administration did not rush into action in trying to auction off the 77
parcels of land. This has been 7 years in the making, which I'm sure hardly
anyone realizes. This issue also goes beyond atv trails and motorcycles, this
deals with rs2477 roads in the state, which everyone has used at one point or
another. The rs2477 roads of the state lead to resources that lie on school
trust land. If the environmental nut jobs let us go there, use our resources,
the education department would be wealthier than anything in the state with the
royalties they'd receive. Smarter kids equals smarter technology, but oh well
who cares. Zero population is what this earth really needs right???
Environmentalism is not an ideology, it is a religion that instead of
worshipping the Creator, worships the creation
Environmentalism is a religion if Rush Limbaugh is a religion.The
contraposition of your statement is that anti-environmentalism is the worship of
evil men who would destroy the creation that you rely on to survive. Acting like
stewardship is "radical", is where true nuttiness exists.
Representative Noel and those who share his ideology do not seem to possess much
in terms of values or intellectual horsepower. If ATV users in general were
responsible, there would be far less regulation of their activities. Regulation
is a response to wanton destruction of scenic values and resources that is
rampant all over this state.Furthermore, the thinking of this "no
restrictions" or "no holds barred" group is so contradictory that it is comical.
They only want their "no restrictions" philosophy adopted as it relates to the
environment, but they seem to believe in regulation and laws elsewhere. What if
we applied the no laws/no rules philosophy everywhere? No rules for the banking
industry? No drug laws? No speed limits? No enforcement at the U.S. border?
No tax laws? The philosophy of those that have no regard for the environment is
as bankrupt as today's financial industries.
If you think that responsible drilling will not harm the environment, rake any
flight over southern Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and look out your
window. It is amazing that all of this responsible drilling can be seen from for
mile and mile and mile and miles and mile and mile and, miles. Get the picture?
Love all the constitution experts here. Just remember that it is YOUR
interpretation and only an interpretation, unless it is backed up by rulings
from the supreme court. Just because you feel that the constitution says one
thing doesn't mean it does. If it were that clear we wouldn't need the courts to
do anything more that judge criminal cases and we would only have 2 seperate but
equal branches of government, the legislature and the executive.
Yeah . . . So? You can see what? Dirt roads? So?You
enviro-bullies have dreamed up a constitutional right not to see any sort of
development or any activity you disagree with. I've got news for you, pal,
there's nothing like that in the Constitution!You've overplayed your
hand. The protesters are now on the other side. At the end of a single Obama
term, the Nation will be so outraged at the negative effects your communitarian
socialism has had on the economy -- and the environment -- that your sacred
cows, the National Environmental Policy and Endangered Species Acts will be
scrapped. And we'll return to the rule of reason.It
can't happen too soon.
As someone who raises cattle on BLM lands I can tell you that many recreational
users cause much damage. They tear up the land until there is nothing left and
they harass, steal and ocassionaly kill wildlife and domestic livestock in their
pursuit of fun. I understand public lands are public but if you want to ride
your motorized vehicles take it to somewhere that's already torn up and be
respectful of the people who make their lives off that land.
Just so's you know -- you're next on the enviro-wacko agenda. They won't be
happy until there is no ranching on any public land. And, I'm sure I don't have
to tell you, they're nearly there with the increases in fees for grazing leases
you've seen over the recent past.It's only a matter of time before
they insist fees be raised to the point it makes ranching public land
prohibitive.As bothersome as the four-wheelers are, they're your
allies in this fight.The war is over access. Recreationalists want
some. Enviro-wackos want none.
When I read some of these, although I personally agree, the scools mustof bin
ovrcrouded in their day two.
I love the environment and I love atvs. I raised my kids on atvs. I just want
to say I have never gone off an existing road or trail. I have never ripped down
a fence or gate. I don't want to make new trails or roads. All I ask is that
the existing routes remain open. All I ask is that my grand-children get to
enjoy the sport I love so much. All I ask is that my not so young, not so
healthy, aging friends be able to enjoy the back country that would be shut off
to them if they had to access it on foot, still have the oportunity to see
public lands in their OHVs. I am for multi-use of our public lands. I am also
for protecting our lands. This is not a contradiction in terms.