Kick those guys off the team. I hope it didn't cost BYU Teo and the other
TO BAD SOME PLAYERS THINK THEY ARE EXEMPT FROM THE HONOR CODE. I APPLAUD BRONCO
FOR HIS HONESTY WITH RECRUITS. HOPEFULLY MANTI WAS NOT PART OF THE SHENANIGANS.
SOME GUYS CAN BE PART OF THE BAND OF BROTHERS (ZIONS CAMP) SOME HAVE TO BE THE
BIG SHOT.I WISH MANTI,XAVIER,LT FILIAGA,FANUA AND OTHER LDS ATLETES WELL WHERE
EVER THEY GO. BUT I WILL ONLY BE CHEERING FOR BYU!
What ever happened to manase and matangi tonga?
Gosh..and just when things were going so good. Looks to me like Bronky is
"out recruiting ", himself and maybe should have students that live the right
way. Were the freshman underage or RM's ?
They are both transfering to Utah.
They are NOT transferring to utah LOL..heck, Manase LEFT utah to be a Coug!
Manase will be back next year in COUGAR BLUE. Matangi will not.
I don't care what happened. These young men are underage, in addition they were
informed of what the honor code represents. Every school has rules of conduct
and a system of redress. I compliment BYU for their not releasing names and
still holding all to a standard. Coach Mendenhall has provided his input and
taken an action, now it's time to move on. I suppose I am leading to the point
that integrity and honor has become a rare commodity today. Thanks to BYU, UYAH,
USU, WEBER and all the other Universities/Colleges in the State of Utah and the
nation for teaching the principles that young man and woman must learn to be
successful in life. It is better to learn that actions have consequences on a
football field rather than learining the the lesson with life altering
effects.Thanks to Utah and the others in the State for thier Conference
and Bowl performance. At my age I have learned to bleed Blue, Red and White. A
sign of tru maturity.NC61YROLDBUYFAN"A grouchy old man and
proud of it."
Sure hope that X and LT saw what life is like under an oppressionary regime and
vote no. At Utah they can still have honor and brotherhood without worrying
that somebody in the secret police will unjustly name them and destroy their
reputation. What a way to live!
If Manase were to transfer to Utah he would have to sit out 2 years, if he were
to transfer to another school he would have to sit out 1. Since he only has 1
year left, I doubt it very much
If the utes want BYU's castoffs, let them have them. These types of players
(without integrity) going to the utes works in BYU's favor. I say let them go,
infact Bronco should personally drive them and drop them off at kwhitt's door.
A story about what actually happened. Asking people that were actually
involved.What a novel concept!It's just VERY funny to me
that BYU players had to resort to drinking alcohol as a way of 'selling' their
program and all its 'values'.
This should not be left for "in house" because giving alcohol to minors is
against the LAW. Forget the honor code, if this problem had to deal with other
honor code violations than it should be settled in house. Because the law was
broken in this case, by giving alcohol to minors, Bronco should have these
players report to the police department for proper prosecution. After settling
matters with the law then Bronco/BYU can do what ever in house matters.This kind of thing happened with Crowton, but at least he kicked the players
off the team, lets see if Bronco can keep up the discipline! My guess is not
because it is, speculation, a starting LB!
I say kick the players involved off the team. One of the players is a showboat
and not a team player anyway. Utah can have him. He would fit in better there.
Who are the players.. Or at least what positions do they play and are they
Any truth to the rumor that these Cougars were just trying to show Manti Te'o
that he could have just as much opportunity to be a good influence there as he
could as USC, UCLA or Notre Dame? They knew that's what he was looking for and
were just trying to recruit him in that regard. Think about it, people!
Let the JUDGEMENTAL posts begin! It's really quite pathetic that this is even
making the news where all can post their judgements and hate filled posts. I
hope we never know who was involved, but I'm sure the news will dig deep enough
to get their names out there for all to ridicule.
the real question is how credible is Hans Olsen? He is not necessarily top
notch in the field of journalism. I believe that he is either misinformed
completely or holding back even more info because of his ties. Has anyone
listened to him? He is not the brightest product of the school down south.
If Teo wasn't involved he should sue the radio station that mentioned his name
for slander. He can legally do that. But, somehow I don't think it will get that
far if you catch my drift. It's too bad a few idiots who think they are so good
at football they can break any rule or law they want, have to choose BYU to do
it at. They need to get shown the door!
Bronco shouldn't be so quick to "move forward" and sweep this under the rug.
There are too many questions that need to be answered including the one brought
up earlier about the crime of giving minors alcohol.I did a quick
look on recruiting website to see who was at the infamous January 9th recruiting
"party." I counted 16 commits including 2 four star and 11 three star recruits.
That's pretty much the entire recruiting class of 2009. If many of them were
involved then it would decimate BYU's recruiting efforts. I'm not saying the
abuses were widespread but some investigation need to be done before we're
expected to follow the coaches admonition, "move along folks, nothing to see
what is the allegation and who is supposedly involved?
Bronco is preparing excuses for his upcoming disappointing season."Oh, honor code violations hurt us! That is why we lost 5 games!"
I love BYU fans and their were better than you syndrome. Do you really think
this is the first drinking party involving a recruit. Be serious it happens all
the time only reason this one is a story is it includes a 5 star recruit BYU
wasnt going to get anyway, As for Olsen he better hope his info is correct. You
think you are going to able to get any interviews from BYU now that you brought
out something they may or may not be correct. Oh by the way stop with the
"Former BYU Star" in all you freaking intro's. I played the game, I was the man,
I am 6'5 300 pounds I would squash you. My kid is the next Ronnie Lott just stop
already with your making yourself look good every day game it is getting a
little old. I played the game we get it after 2 years. Just report facts and
make sure they are correct before you make the decision to go public and not
ruin every chance of BYU getting a guy. BTW Olsen is the only guy reporting Te'o
Thanks to Hans Olsen and his reporting for getting the truth about this out
there to fans....Hans handled this story very well. Some of the other local
media elite (DJ and PK, I believe their names are) could learn a lot from this
man! Hans you RULE!!!!!!!!
Underage drinking is illegal.
One of the posts said it all, this should have been kept in-house, it's as if
the BYU coaching staff doesn't know what is happening in their own program!These kids were on official campus visits, you would think that the Y staff
would've been able to keep better tabs on these kids, rather than finding out,
after the fact!Oh and the whole Manti didn't drop the Y, the Y dropped
Manti, and rescinded his offer? Way to spin it Zoobers!I think your whole
Gestapo like interrogation of the recruits, because of your failure to monitor
these guys, left a bad taste in Manti's mouth (no pun intended - alcohol). When
you treat these kids like they're guilty, when they may really be innocent, it
rubs them the wrong way!Yeah right Zoobs, we believe you when you say you
rescinded Manti's scholarship offer, and not vice versa! Things that make you
Here they go already--no one really knows what happened in the YBU situation.
But the selfrighteous blogers are again demeaning everyone outside of the
"group"......... Your are probably correct.....someone who is non LDS did a
nasty deed and caused all the good little boys to do a bad thing. OOOHHHHHHHHhh
This article is the FIRST one that has handled this issue the way it should be
handled. Presenting both sides of the issue to let the readers make their own
judgements.Hans Olson should be fired. What he did was totally
obvious. In trying to protect the 'integrity' of the Y's program, he has used
his podium of the airwaves (how does he have a job, anyway???) to propagate his
own story and slander a young, 17-year old kid who can't defend himself on this
issue. Meanwhile, he's not even mentioning names of any of the Y players who
took the recruits to drinking parties. Sounds like another blog in
another newspaper - where he writes about Manti Teo, but says that he can't
'mention any names' until everything is verified. BUT HE MENTIONS MANTI'S NAME!
What a slimy tactic!There's no question that, if Manti had chosen
BYU, his name would have been withheld just like the players names have been
withheld up until now.Regardless, this thing has been handled poorly
by the Y. It's no wonder that NONE of the recruits on that trip have decided to
Just trying to figure out what any of this has to do with the University of
Utah. Seems like we have a lot of defensive zoobs that would try to deflect the
attention by attacking someone else. Nice try. We don't want your leftovers
because they wouldn't make the team anyway. I assume Te'o didn't like being
called in for questioning.
yet so far from the truth. Te'o didn't participate and anybody that says
otherwise is a liar. For those that want to just cast these young men off,
I wonder what your life would be like if you were castoff everytime you made a
mistake as a young man? The best thing about utes; no matter how
good there program is doing, they just can't help but follow the goings on in
the BYU Program! If you were really at the party anonymous, why are
you hiding your identity?
ok if you were at that party how about you list the names of all those byu
players in attendance and what they drank. its only fair since you have thrown
manti under the bus
Great post UteMan!! Well spoken, polite, and to the point. When the YBU'ers
start floundering under additional pressure U can see the outcome. They are
still not over the lost QUEST. The mind just cannot accept the fact that a
decent LDS kid could come to the campus and then go to a party where some
short-coming activity may have occured (IF INDEED IT DID?). Life goes on and
this will not be last time the KGB finds an infraction.
Great post BYUINTEGRETY!!!! & Defensive!! I come from a part of the country
where there is great competitive spirit between rivals--but here--it stinks. I
hated the last few years with the last second Ute losses in football--but, when
it came time for the YBU'ers to play in a bowl--go Cougs. It is what the MWC
needs for the all teams in the future as far as recognition. All I have heard
since the pressure made them crumble in the QUEST is the spewing hate, and all
the blame for someone else causing their plight. Must be a reflection of the
Atta boy. Post a comment as "Anonymous" and then trash a kid who rejected BYU's
offer. Real classy. If you are a BYU student, what were you doing at the
party? Just drinking Kool-Aid I bet. It was the other guy doing the drinking.
You know, the one who turned down the scolarship offer and is a fantastic
I think Bronco has lost his hold on the program. As BYU fans, we deserve more
than being exposed on the field, underage drinking scandals, and the lack of
accountability our program has shown the last few months. Would Andy Reid be
interested in coaching us?
Let's see, 20 big, beefy football players were at a party that may get them all
dismissed from playing football at a major college, and when a person who was
there wants to remain anonymous, you people give them grief?Sure,
give out your name, and have these football players come knocking on your
door... and your head!THAT makes sense!Must be BYU fans
trying to find out your identity!
Hmmm...let's name one guy (who just spurned us) and protect the rest. Great
morality system at work.
Just like there seems to be alot of conjecture going on about what happened with
regards to the underage drinking. Many of these posts reflect a great deal of
guessing with regard to how it was handled by the coaching staff. I don't know,
and unless you are part of the coaching staff, you don't know either, so just
keep your childish comments to yourselves. I think that BYU
stonewalling the media is a good thing. It allows the parties involved to
correct their behavior without the pressure of added scrutiny. Yes underage
drinking is illegal, but you don't know that legal proceedings have not begun.
You don't even know with certainty that underage drinking was involved.
They were called into the coaches office the very morning after? I would never
attend a school where your clasmates will rat you out like that. If you feel
something is happening that should not be, talk to your buds and let them know
it. To rat them out is lower than low. How can you talk about integrity
and "band of brothers" when betrayal is mandatory instead of offering a helping
hand or advise.
That's right Midwestcoug, just keep it quiet an pray that is goes away. Bronco
sweeping it under the rug is disgusting. For a man that preaches commitment to
excellence, his football program is anything but that lately. When it comes
right down to it, he'll slap them on the wrist behind closed doors. He knows
that if he kicks the players off the team like he should, the team will struggle
and he'll lose his job. Sounds like all his preachings are very hollow right
Does anyone really know the whole story? I doubt any of the posters here do. I
don't either. I say drop the insinuations, innuendo, trash-spewing, etc. I am
disappointed that there appears to have been misconduct. Yet I don't know the
whole story. I'm not going to level criticism about the handling of those
involved because I don't know what happened. Maybe all of us should hold our
tongues unless we know exactly what happened. Regarding the comment
about the stabbing last year, that was just a low-class comment and unnecessary.
I take that your last response was meant for Hans Olsen?
Hey! I sell energy saving lightbulbs and very proud of it.
Byu and utah are different schools you cant say well the utah players did it why
didnt they get in trouble! (thats what a little kid does) byu has an honor code
which i respect them for but those recruits knew the code and chose to break it!
and dont put byu above utah by saying byu shows integrity I mean a lot of your
players are some of the biggest crybabies ever! Utah players arent perfect i
never will say they are they are human just like byu football players so to say
byu is higher on the righteous pole is bull! nobody is perfect people make
mistakes and the pay for them!
You are the joke. Check facts before you open your mouth to change your feet.
A typical Bronco disciplinary action has been to suspend a player for one game,
a game of his choice, usually one of the many cream puffs BYU plays. Wittingham
had a player drink and get a DUI and was immediatly kicked off the team and has
not been invited back and that was two years ago. The standard is higher at BYU
as it should be. If these players and recruits don't understand that it is a
privilege to play for BYU then they should be shown the door. I don't suspect
that will happen in this case if these players are deemed to be able to
contribute to the team.
Yet another story of BYU denying scholarship offers to a prized recruit--why
should we be surprised? This just goes to show that no matter who
you are, BYU puts their own self-serving Honor Code egos above giving an honest
young man an opportunity to redeem himself. I hope you zealous
Honor Code fanatics feel good now!
To: No KGB at Utah | 7:50 a.m. Jan. 27, 2009 The word's
oppressive. Oppressionary doesn't exist. A spell checker is provided. I
suggest you use it.
This seems to be a pattern of behavior for BYU fans: a kid who BYU really wants
decides not to go there and immediately his character is disparaged by those BYU
faithful who simply cannot understand why a person would reject an offer to
attend that holy institution. Remember this exact same thing happened with
Silver Siliaga last year? As soon as he withdrew his commitment to BYU, the BYU
fans started rumors that he was actually no longer "worthy" to attend and that
BYU would have withdrawn its scholarship offer. Come on people, get over it:
choosing to be one of the zoobs in Happy Valley is just not for everyone -- even
if you are an upstanding Mormon kid.
Re: Sugar Bowl Win!! Could not have been more to the point with such few words!
Now the YBU'ers have a KGB agent working the DNews article sites to make sure
that everyone falls in line. It is absolutely remarkable how the arrogance
displays itself in so many ways. Fall in line, keep step, sweep it under the
carpet!! Individuality is not their trait. Gosh, I hope the spelling is ok!
Brandon Doman is over in Hawaii right now trying to convince Manti to reconsider
You're crazy to think with all the mudslinging thats going on and its all on
Te'o that they would even contact Te'o again there is no chance Te'o ends up at
BYU maybe after his mission which he says will happen and they go get him that
way. Like he is going on a mission once he gets to USC.
Your post shows your limited knowledge of athletics. When you refer to "us",
are you implying that you are in your fantasy world wishing to play for the y?
"You are the MAN" We all need to the TRUTH from everyone involved by
INVESTIGATION, moving forward without the TRUTH is NOT moving forward.
This is just another example showing that forcing and coercing people to behave
a certain way doesn't work. It's remarkable to me that Y-ners constantly
display so much unrighteous pride in declaring how good they are. Hey everyone,
look how righteous we are!!! Bring back Lavell Edwards. He focussed on
football. He never tried to make a bunch of imperfect kids a shining light to
the world. Late teens and early twenties can be a very difficult time. People
that age make a lot of mistakes, but they can repent, learn from it and move on,
like everyone else. Stop expecting these kids to be perfect. Thank goodness
the gospel isn't one strike and your out like at BYU.
Manase and Matangi, "NO and NO Thank you!"Utah DON"T need you.13-0
Hey Aaron--like the stunt BYU pulled with that Riley Neilson(sp) kid up north.
That was a putts move. Not much integrity there. I thought intergrity and
morality where most important?????
what this really shows, is that BYU is no better than anyone else, the fact that
they need to pretend is a joke. The fact is that Players broke the rules and
rather than manning up and admitting and taking the proper actions, they hide
and say its taken care of. For all you Classless Byu fans who are making this
about the utes one name Marquis Wilson, one of the top receviers from Utah was
suspended for a DUI. If Bronco was a man and not a hypocrite he wold so the same
thing, classless fans, classless coach.
...we make sure of the facts before we start making accusations about specific
players/recruits and repercussions, much less bringing stupid rivalry slams into
this. For those directly involved in whatever happened, this is too serious an
issue for fans to respond to every rumor and allegation being driven by an
irresponsible local media to generate hype. There's no evidence that this is
being shoved under the rug; Mendenhall's immediate priority is the final stretch
of recruiting season, so I wouldn't expect to see him address anything publicly
until later next week at the earliest.Y fans - quit bashing Teo. He
made his decision, and it's by no means clear that this alleged incident had
anything to do with it. It hurts to be dumped, but at least he didn't lie to the
coaching staff right up to signing day, unlike some in the past. U
fans - the honor code is BYU's standard, not yours. Quit appointing yourselves
guardians of how BYU students should be held accountable. It's clear that
regardless of what happens, you'll be predictably "outraged" at how it is
enforced, whether it's too lenient or too harsh.
To: Dictionary Man. The ornithology group should relax and not be so upset over
the lost QUEST.
I'm getting tired of people badmouthing BYU and saying the Honor Code is
excessive.This has NOTHING to do with BYU. If you don't like BYU,
go to a school that suits your choices. There are a multitude of them out
there. Te'o, BYU's Honor Code office, Coach Mendenhall, and others
don't deserve the ridicule and judgment of anonymous cowards who act like
all-knowing Gods of Honor Code enforcement. I think all of us can
take a lesson from the way BYU has handled this. They kept confidences,
released relevant information to interested parties, and presented it
professionally. We should wish Te'o well and take a lesson in our
own lives from how this situation was handled. We should handle such matters
that arise in our lives in like manner.
Hans Olsen is a fair guy, I played ball with him for 2 years at the Y, he has
spoke nothing but the truth in this incident. He has kept most the names
involved to himself... I say well done.
"Thank goodness the gospel isn't one strike and your out like at BYU."Nice blanket statement. 'Cause BYU has NEVER given a second chance to anyone,
including Tonga, So'oto, Jenkins, etc., right? And none of them have ever played
for Bronco, right? It is nice how people point fingers at BYU when they don't
discipline they way they should and then chastize them when they do discipline.
You have no idea when students get "second" chances. You are just making
assumptions off, I guess, certain cases that you claim that an individual didn't
get a second chance. Or are you saying that these players should have unlimited
"chances"? That really builds great character and allows them to really learn.
Bronco has never minced words about the expectations. They are hard, and yes,
these young men accepted. He HAS given many players chances (Tonga, So'oto, and
yes, even Kessman who rejected the chance). He has been supportive of them when
they have left the program and has acknowledged that they are not perfect. Just
because they have taken a tougher standard doesn't make them bad. Judge not,
that ye may be judged.
How About and your buddy Re:Mike--Why don't U 2 quit pontificating--that's all
you can do since the QUEST was lost. Typical Y-ner activity.
What about Riley Nelson? Are you whining because you think no player should
transfer schools? Then keep crying...it happens all the time! Do you think BYU
lacked integrity for offering a scholarship? Then I guess keep crying. Are you
thinking that BYU went out of their way to "steal" him? Then you are wrong. In a
discussion with Nelson's former coach while checking out another player, Nelson
came up. The coach acknowledged that BYU's intent in the conversation was never
to find out about Nelson, but that it came up. The coach then mentioned it to
Nelson's father and thought he son might want to know about it. After speaking
with Riley, Riley was interested, he inquired back with BYU, who then offered
him. All happening when he was "recruitable" by NCAA recruiting laws. According
to his father, Riley contemplated/prayed about it, and decided on BYU. His
father said that BYU never was on a hunt for Riley's services but that the
opportunity arose and both moved forward. That is not a lack of integrity. So,
MidWestUte, keep crying. Your integrity is at stake.
There fore ybu of course they did not go on there missions. heck Utah and USU
Both send out more missionary's than the lords school
It doesn't really matter what you say or what I say. The fact of the matter
remains that BYU is going to put forth the proper punishment. I know this
because there was a U of U transfer student who was involved in homosexual acts
that was suspended for the semester. This guy was hooking up with his old
boyfriend from the U and word got out. The honor code office is no joke, they
take their jobs very serious and are extremely professional.
RE: theHairstorm | 2:25 p.m. Jan. 27, 2009 There fore ybu of course they
did not go on there missions. heck Utah and USU Both send out more missionary's
than the lords school+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++No
they don't. You're a liar, aren't you, Ute?
What he did was despicable. He threw a 17-year old under the bus after he
rejected BYU's offer. He said that he was the one drinking. Didn't give him
ANY opportunity to defend himself, nor did he present any other side of the
story. He says this on the radio air waves so non-challantly and so
matter-of-fact.He didn't mention any players names, to protect their
identity and the 'ongoing investigation', but doesn't respect the same standard
for this high school recruit.Had Manti chosen BYU, would he have
done the same thing? 'Leaked' his name and involvement? Obviously not.Hans Olson is completely delusional with his own self-importance. He
constantly refers to himself as a 'former BYU star'. STAR?? The guy played on
BYU's most mediocre four teams in their history. He was an O-lineman who only
got the scholly and his current gig because of the fame of his uncle.I don't know how 1280 continues to consider itself respectable journalism, as
long as they continue to put up with Hans' antics.
Manti Te'o doesn't deserve this. This kid wakes up early here in Hawaii to go
seminar and travel to the other side of the island for school (Punahou where
Norm Chow and Keith Uperesa are from) as well as practices. After classes he
tutors the elementary children. This kid after winning the state championship,
scans the field to find a little girl that he promised to give his glove to and
it made her family cry. This guy has character. You BYU fans actually believe
this story? You don't deserve him. I lived in Provo for 8 years and i'm glad
he's not going there now. USC doesn't deserve him either as Carrol will try to
discourage his mission. UCLA has the greatest potential right now. I also hope
X Su'a Filo follows his heart and makes the right choice. Goodluck gentlemen
I am a Utah fan, and I think fans from both sides are blowing this whole thing
way out of proportion. Bronco drives me nuts, but I think that he will handle
this the way it should be handled. I can't believe how judgemental and
selfrighteous fans on BOTH sides are. I think that if BYU fans
don't chill, the people in the big building in downtown SLC are just going to do
away with BYU athletics. I don't think that the scrutiny that it brings the
church is worth it. The church does not need BYU athletics.
It is apparent by the posts here that BYU has a "behavior code"An "Honor
code" requires you to be honorable and turn in yourself. It seems that at
BYU they turn each other in and they check. That is not an Honor code. There is
little honor in being caught. There is Honor in admitting your mistakes
With so many facts in question, there are sure a lot of fortune tellers posting,
telling us about things in the past and future. I have said it once and I'll say
it again...the holier than thou thing is lame...that is the Ute's standby
response to everything BYU. If you don't know all the facts/policies then don't
comment or at least make mention of your lack of understanding. Using partial
truths or statements to make your case does not impress. As far as I can tell
BYU gives every student and or athlete opportunity to correct mistakes. There
are consequences for choices that are made. Some choose to make ammends and
others choose to leave as it is an easy out. Some schools just choose to hold
them accountable or not...see Lawrence Phillips. Don't single out one athlete on
the recruiting trip unless you have facts to back it up. Good luck to all these
recruits wherever they end up.
Re:MidWestUte--hey- get a name. So glad they prayed about it. Round and round
you go,and where your liitle train stops no one knows. You flounder in your
diatribe! Spout the verse as that is all you know!
Hans is a joke huh, thats interesting, he was the only one that knew what was
happening. I am glad someone knew. I have listened to every side of this, and
his side is the only one that makes sense.
I cannot believe what I am reading from the posts of fellow BYU fans. This is
the most ascinine stuff I've ever read. The program is run by a faith that
beleives in change and forgiveness. Man you guys are judgemental!!!!!! Austin
collie may not have been guilty of providing alcohol to a minor but he was one
of the moat arrogant players in BYU history and he was an active member. Give
the freshman non-members a chance. They may be dumb but they can grow.
1280 has been on top of this from the get go. I dont know why people have to
question, Bronco said himself, the matter is being handled in house. OK, for
those of you who say there wasn't a problem, then what is he handling in house?
I'm a devout cougar fan, but I've lost my faith in Bronco. All of his words are
starting to ring hollow. I just wish he would stop with his robotic quotes and
phrases, and just concentrate on coaching football. Bronco, we don't need you to
save the world! JUST COACH OUR FREAKING FOOTBALL TEAM. Let Pres Monson and the
brethen do the preaching.
To Way Overblown: I agree completely. It is an embarrassment to the church the
way some BYU fans behave. Whether they like it or not, people will associate
the poor behavior of some BYU fans and assume all church members are the same
way.I know there are equally bad Utah fans, but honestly they don't
represent the church. Hopefully the young men involved will use
this as a wake up call and start making wiser choices.
It sounds like Ute fans in Coug clothing. Comments like that make it hard to
recruit and keep good coaches and players. If you are true Cougar fans, then act
like one. Bronco is doing it right.
"The church does not need BYU athletics."It's only an issue with the
Ute fans that always feel they can't get out of the shadow down South.Personally, I think BYU needs to quit carrying Utah's program. Boylen said
today, all he cares about this season is beating BYU.If BYU dropped
Utah, there would be none of this stupid, idiotic banter. BYU is a program that
could stand without Utah.
Personally, I think [the LDS Church] needs to quit carrying [BYU's
athletic] program. If [the LDS Church] dropped [BYU
athletics], there would be none of this stupid, idiotic banter. [The LDS
Church] is a program that could stand without [BYU].
I saw a handful of Ute football players drinking and partying. I guess that's
what happens when you go undefeated and win BCS games! Drink it up UTES!!!
I could not agree more.This rivalry has gone past fun.If
BYU or Utah were to split to different conference, BYU would shine, and Utah
would lose 3/4 of it's uneducated, anti-LDS fanbase and Crimson Club members who
wear red to show their hate for supposed oppression.Before anyone
calls me to repentance, I am non-LDS who grew up in Utah. I am tired of my
buddies who hate BYU to exercise the demons of living in a religous society.Personally, I can live and let live, but too many people get way too
involved.That way I could cheer both Blue and Red on Saturday.
Get a clue. The LDS does not carry the BYU program. BYU carries their program,
just like most major Universities.Utah needs to get a real Football
stadium, be able to beat a DII basketball school at home, and stop putting BYU
under a microscope.The posts her make it obvious that there is no
such thing a Ute pride, rather BYU hate. If you can't consistently
hang with the Big Dogs, stay on the portch.If you are afraid of BYU,
just stop playing them. It's that easy. BYU does not NEED Utah, Utah NEEDS BYU
Any poster that spouts that Hans was an O-lineman ... well, you can pretty much
reject anything else they say.I suppose Brian Johnson was a
cornerback and Luther Ellis was a wide receiver?
I love all the BYU fans trying to pull off the "high road" on all this. Like
"Utah can have our cast offs..." Hahaha, we're the better team. Last time I
check Utah is your daddy BYU. Hahahaha. This is how is started with
Crowton back in '02. This is the beginning of a swift spiral downward
Cougs.....Here's to the flagship of the MWC, UTAH!
I don't think anyone is saying the church carries BYU's athletic programs. And
certainly BYU does not carry Utah's. I think the problem is that fans on both
sides who spew hate can't see that they are part of the problem. They can only
see what the other side is doing. It's time to take stock of our own actions
and words. Yes, there are obnoxious BYU fans who just don't get it.
You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?! All I did was change a few
nouns from the post previous to mine to show the stupidity of it all. So if you
think I was referring to the Church carrying BYU athletics financially, you must
also then believe that BYU carries Utah finacially. Get a clue!Also, it sounds like you are full of hate as well as pride (and not the good
kind) my friend. Best of luck in your Quest.
I never cease to be amazed at the hatred and childishness that occurrs on these
blogs. A lot of victims of BYU derangement syndrome. Sad.
Remind me to never read any of these posts again. I don't think I've read one
intelligent comment. Just a bunch of people being ridiculous.
BSU is the real BCS buster. Utah is an imposter.Let dead dogs lie. We will
take him at BSU.
I'm tired of CROWTON recruiting these bad news football players.Oh
wait, BRONCO RECRUITED THESE GUYS?BRONCO helped recruit the last
group that went out of control. CROWTON GOT NAILED FOR ALL THE L'S as well as
the off the field issues.Given the expectations after CROWTON'S
departure, it would seem logical that BRONCO would be held accountable.Oh wait. BRONCO is winning the games that CROWTON lost.FORGET
ABOUT INTEGRITY!IT'S ALL ABOUT WINNING.PERIOD.
re:Truer Words... | 5:42 p.m. Jan. 27, 2009 "If you can't consistently hang with
the Big Dogs, stay on the portch...If you are afraid of BYU, just stop playing
them. It's that easy. BYU does not NEED Utah, Utah NEEDS BYU to survive."Newsflash Utah beat BYU 48-24. Listen to all these delusional Zoobies
act like they are above all this rivalry stuff and claim that BYU would be
better off without Utah. Dream on. The reality is they have a bad case of BCS
envy. Utah has done more for all non-BCS teams than BYU ever will by winning 2
BCS games convincingly. In fact, BYU set all "mid-major" teams back with their
mythical 1984 chamionship against an incredibly weak schedule. Stop hating and
appreciate the original and best BCS-buster.
Utah will soon be forgot after a few losses. BYU will alway be the flagship of
the MWC. whY? Because that are BYU, the Mosted Hated Team in America. Time to
get over yourself with the utes smack.
I wish every school would take a stand against drinking.
It would greatly improve things if sports talkshow hosts did not start
spouting off about things they do not know anything about. To make
baseless and false accusations of wrong doing against people who have not even
started COLLEGE football is a very disturbing action.
To the 7:50 commentator, BYU's honor code office does not allow
anonymous accusations. All accusations against other people must be public and
the person accused always has the right to know who accuses them of wrong
doing. That said, the main point of the honor code is a set of rules that
people willingly agree to live by when they enter BYU. People sign the
agreement to live by the rules at the time they apply to the university.
Even if this is true I'm still not impressed by Hans Olsen feeling like he had
to report this rumor. They smear this kid's name and embarrass his family for
what? To try to save face for BYU because he didn't want to play there. No
excuse is needed when he is being recruited by USC. I really doubt any of these
allegations would have been made public if he hadn't already said no to BYU.
why are my comments never posted?
Where to begin...1.) Underage drinking is against the law. To
paraphrase, a common law ranking much higher and broader than the honor code was
allegedly broken.Don't pretend that this is an honor code violation, it is
a legal issue.2.) Bronco ostensibly sweeping this under the rug
shows a tremendous lack of character.Make no mistake about this,
while drinking goes on at other schools, underage drinking does not - it's
illegal!If a similar event happened at USC, Utah Texas or Florida
authorities would be involved.BYU has done itself a tremendous disservice.
Some very blatantly self-righteous fans, and perhaps the program itself, believe
that by having an "honor code" they are above the laws of the land - the basic
laws of the land. This is not so.3.) Olsen giving out one name while
covering up the others reflects poorly upon his judgment. While it is nice that
he/someone is discussing the situation, a code of consistent conduct should be
Three pages worth of mean-spirited, nasty, judgmental posts. I read them all
with disbelief, thinking it could not get any worse.Never again can
I afford I waste my time.This post thing - I find it is hard to
believe that this is what the DesNews intended to do - bring out the worst in
individuals by offering an anonymous forum for anyone to say say anything they
want without owning their remarks.We have enough difficulties, and
real issues in the world today. Please, think carefully before putting more bad
"stuff" out into the universe, especially regarding something as unconsequential
as football.Football is a great sport which provides wonderful
entertainment, however . . . these comments are a sad commentary on the state of
Utah, and by association those of a particular religious persuasion of which I
am one.This is just so embarrassing and so very sad.
They broke the honour code and must be disciplined.
Let's drop sports at BYU - we can't expect young people to 'behave' and it's
obvious even most LDS here don't think it can be done (at least all the Ute
fans). I wonder if these people all practice the same judgement with their own
Where the blazes has anyone put the BYU Honor Code "above the laws of the
land"???? Just because the details of what happened (and no one even seems to
agree on exactly what did or didn't happen) haven't been officially addressed by
the university to this point doesn't mean that 1) the program's covering
anything up or that 2) law enforcement isn't involved.People want
immediate answers and swift repercussions, and anything that doesn't instantly
gratify those desires spins things into a "coverup". I'd rather authorities
spend some time to get things straight, especially when collegiate careers and
even criminal charges may be at stake for some. What a depressing
Underage drinking doesnt happen at other school its a crime, You really think
this doesnt happen at other school that would be like saying Hans Olsen just got
hired by ESPN. You are crazy its hppens at every school on the planet even BYU.
I was 19 from L.A. and was not the perfect mormon. When I went to the MTC I was
sure they would send me home. After a week our branch president gave the new
missionaries ONE last chance to repent. EVERY 19 and 20 year old went in and
spilled their guts. Guys who were eagle souts and sons of church leaders were
also crying afraid being sent home too. But I was the most nervous. After we
were forgiven we Moved Foward and became missionaries. The twelve Elders in my
group went to Argentina and baptized over 2000 people. BYU and Bronco know what
action to take and will be fair. Let the cooler heads prevail.
This is the best thing that could've happened. They get to go to a winning
school in utah and get taught about the gospel in the right way and not by those
self- righteous bigots at BYU.
In another story in the Des News, it says that Coach Brandon Doman left to
Hawaii yesterday to meet with Manti Teo.Still believe Hans Olson's
story?? If you believe that, I've got some land I'd like to sell you.Why would BYU rescind their scholarship offer to Manti because he was
drinking, only to then jump on a plane to Hawaii to re-recruit him??Hans Olson should be sued for his lack of journalistic integrity. For
smearing the reputation of a young high school student just to try and make his
alma mater look better.
One of two things happened. Either Manti was at least partially involved in the
"incident" and no longer believes he can live the Honor Code, OR, he had nothing
to do with the incident and is angry that he was called in and questioned by
Bronco. If the latter is the case, he is probably thinking that he wants nothing
to do with a program that puts others on the spot in an effort gain information.
He was probably left to feel guilty or humiliated by the process, despite not
doing anything wrong. Sometimes BYU's Honor Code administrators can be "witch
hunter" like in their interogation methods. Been there, done that! I can see why
it would of turned off Manti, if that's what happened.
Bring back Jim McMahon - he will show the recruits how to party and make a
mockery of the honor code.... But only for the recruits that can play really
dude | 11:09 p.m. Jan. 27, 2009 "why are my comments never posted?"Half of my comments were never posted either. I think they have a
hyper-sensitive political correctness filter or reviewer rejecting them. As you
can see in many comments it's alright to say mean-spirited and hateful stuff
just be careful about the choice of words especially about religion.
guys lets get really if you are between the ages of 18 and 25 and live in Utah
county and drink. You have partied with your far share of byu kids. Let the kids
sin as long as they win..... Prosecution for underage drink..... lets get real
and let kids be kids.
BYU = Bigots Yakking UncontrollablyUTE = Uncontrolled Talkers
Enjoyment You people at BYU think you understand a 17-year-old
fielding recruiting offers. You think you understand what it's like
to go through all the pressure. You think living the Honor Code is
as simple as signing a dotted line and isolating yourselves in those Mormon
cliques of yours. You think you bless the world--you don't. Stories like Manti Te'o prove that environments like BYU are slow to be
compassionate and forgiving--and quick to judge and rush to conclusion based on
emotion. LDS people and BYU sports fans (Utah fans, too) need to
step back and stop rushing to conclusions. No one is perfect--stop playing
games with Manti's reputation and football talents. Quite frankly,
people from both places have their priorities way out of whack! BYU
is a wonderful school
I just wanted to thank BYU for this incident, now Teo should be signing with the
right school instead of making a career mistake and going to BYU. With USC and
Notre Dame he will get recognition every week and have the opprotunity to become
a amazing athlete!
Why is Utah even being talked about. This was an issue with BYU. I see alot of
bitter BYU fans, students, players, etc.. that have to make themselves feel
better over what Utah accomplised this year. Don't be bitter BYU Fans. Utah is
the real National Champion.
The Honor Code is what is broken. There should not be a different standard to
play football or attend BYU than there is to enter the Temple. The Honor Code is
filled with so much stuff that is not part of Temple worthiness that it seems
the Pharisees got ahold of it!
As long as no drinking and no pre-marital sex are part of the requirements for a
temple recommend, the two biggest drawbacks to recruiting teenage football
players will remain enshrined in the Honor Code.
I just want the truth! I am tired of Bronco and the athletic dept. sweeping
everything under the rug. Things happen when you gather 19 recruits and 8 or 9
hosts together. They are young men with peer pressure and no one watching. Just
tell the truth so that the assuming and speculating will stop. This type of
stuff happens at all schools with athletic programs. At least be honest about it
and don't cover it up. I don't care about names. Just give a vague blanket
statement saying that something did happen with recruits and it is being taken
how about we publish every under age drinkers name in the paper and broadcast it
over the radio. When my sons were being recruited they always came back talking
about the parties they went to(except BYU). One son missed being involved in a
similar incident by just a few seconds because he and another recruit decided to
walk down the street to get a soft drink. this was in Idaho. A friend of mine
went to Notre Dame and talks all the time about going to bars and parties with
the athletes. the only reason this is a story is because it is BYU. there are
non athlets at BYU that do these thing also and they are not in the news and
they are delt with in house. it is to bad it happened. I know coach Witt has
standards and expects alot from his players also. I had to sit by some beer
soaked student at the U game the other night.
A top recruit rejected the Y?Seriously? Now that is a shock.Watch out, he has read the papers and he is headed to the undefeated
U.Oh my......... can you blame him?Nah, neither can I.
Can't the church and BYU understand that it needs a football coach... not
someone who's going to be int the Quarum of the 70's
Bronco is not going to ended up like Crowton for not being able to control the
There's a lot that's not be told in this article. I hope the reporters can get
the whole story. BYU will be successful if they can keep their program intact
and not try to compete with the Utes in giving recruits a chance to sin in order
to choose a football program.
This is so amazing to see how many of you "mighty Mormons" can turn on one or
two of your own in the twinkle of an eye. To praise such high standards you
have for yourselves and then cast stones at the ones who may stumble along the
way, WOW, it just leaves me speechless! As an outsider looking in, two words
come to mind= naive hypocrites!
This is a problem concerning the young men involved, the byu football team, and
staff. Utes please quit leaving your worthless comments. How about you all go
worry about your own problems cause