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Desire for Prop. 8 dialogue outweighing boycott
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TJ Parker | 7:14 a.m. Jan. 25, 2009
Great to see that Sundance was such a huge flop this year! Utah, even Park City,
are off my list of places to go. In a recent trip to NYC, it was quite annoying
to see Park City ads every 15 minutes on local cable. Desperation shows.
TJ Parker | 7:21 a.m. Jan. 25, 2009
Puhleeze: actors and the rest of the glitterati do not stay away from events
because the economy has turned south. If you think the failure of this
year's Sundance is unrelated to Proposition h8, that's wishful
thinking. Just as local Mormon businesses go the bottom of my list, so too with
travel to Utah: only if I have to.
geedub | 10:27 a.m. Jan. 25, 2009
I wish they would boycott Utah.
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Anonymous | 11:37 a.m. Jan. 25, 2009
Nobody had their rights taken away. A straight man can't marry another
man, either--it has nothing to do with being gay. So come off it.
Leave! | 12:45 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
Why doesn't SUNDANCE FILM Festies take their trashy films somewhere else.
Utah doesn't need them here.
Anonymous | 1:55 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
Thank You TJ Parker. Your absence is appreciated.
mark | 2:19 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
The red hot anger morphed into a bone chilling ICE COLD INDIFFERENCE, towards
Utah, Sunsdance, Queer Lounge, and GLAAD.
This openly gay man is embarrassed by the sell out GLAAD showed going against the wishes of hundreds of thousands of LGBTs who demonstrated in 300 cities and all 50 States.
There are LGBT film festival NOT located in Utah = Hate state, that could use the recognition and sponsorship WASTED at Sundance. ABSOLUT, 360 vodka, Entertainment Weekly, Oil of Olay, Honda, Delta Airlines, Ray Ban, Sundance, HBO and Showtime...will you be their sponsors?
That will answer will WE (LGBTs) be your clients????....just saying.
This openly gay man is embarrassed by the sell out GLAAD showed going against the wishes of hundreds of thousands of LGBTs who demonstrated in 300 cities and all 50 States.
There are LGBT film festival NOT located in Utah = Hate state, that could use the recognition and sponsorship WASTED at Sundance. ABSOLUT, 360 vodka, Entertainment Weekly, Oil of Olay, Honda, Delta Airlines, Ray Ban, Sundance, HBO and Showtime...will you be their sponsors?
That will answer will WE (LGBTs) be your clients????....just saying.
mark | 2:22 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
sundance typo in previous comment
mark | 2:27 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
Those wishing for a boycott by LGBTs and our friends
GLAAD to oblige...so to speak
In a couple years when your tourism has seen that many years of 6 BILLION in tourism CRATER, recall what you wished for, oh and if you imagine the LDS elders have a CLUE what LGBT individuals and organizations would possibly be listened to by MY community, to end the BOYCOTT...you'd be M_I_S_T_A_K_E_N!
GLAAD to oblige...so to speak
In a couple years when your tourism has seen that many years of 6 BILLION in tourism CRATER, recall what you wished for, oh and if you imagine the LDS elders have a CLUE what LGBT individuals and organizations would possibly be listened to by MY community, to end the BOYCOTT...you'd be M_I_S_T_A_K_E_N!
mark | 2:40 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
The time LGBTs would have held a prop 8 discussion with Utah is LONG OVER.
You have NOTHING to say we'd listen to.
You have NOTHING to say we'd listen to.
Anonymous | 3:00 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
So, Marky, you would hurt ALL Utahans in an effort to punish Mormons?
Your agenda is way screwed up.
Your agenda is way screwed up.
Anonymous | 3:05 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
The arrogance of you LGTB people is appalling.
You are going to wear out your welcome really fast - and put your movement years behind where it is now.
Just my opinion - which I know you will dispute because I am not allowed an opinion unless it agrees with yours.
You are going to wear out your welcome really fast - and put your movement years behind where it is now.
Just my opinion - which I know you will dispute because I am not allowed an opinion unless it agrees with yours.
Anonymous | 3:24 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
I stopped traveling to Utah my native state over ten years ago. It was merely
the realization I traveled to have adventure and fun not to be harassed.
It was a blessing. I live in Northern California. I drove to New Mexico. New Mexico is wonderful because of the tolerance it's citizens have. The food is great too. There's beautiful architecture. I loved those adobe churches.
I had a great trip to Southern Idaho. There was the smell of both sage and fresh cut alfalfa and it was fun.
Utah not only made me see the wonders outside of Utah. I earned a new respect for the professionalism of the CHP and Nevada Highway Patrol.
It was a blessing. I live in Northern California. I drove to New Mexico. New Mexico is wonderful because of the tolerance it's citizens have. The food is great too. There's beautiful architecture. I loved those adobe churches.
I had a great trip to Southern Idaho. There was the smell of both sage and fresh cut alfalfa and it was fun.
Utah not only made me see the wonders outside of Utah. I earned a new respect for the professionalism of the CHP and Nevada Highway Patrol.
Californian #1 @94131 | 4:04 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
* "The time LGBTs would have held a prop 8 discussion with Utah is LONG
OVER.
You have NOTHING to say we'd listen to." *
Much of this special interest group has so firmly convinced that everyone who disagrees with it is closed-minded, ignorant, and bigoted, any attempt at dialogue would become a one-sided diatribe.
Reasonable people might have been open to a dialogue, but that ended with the trashing of Mormon temples, racial slurs against people perceived as favoring traditional marriage, and outing and harassing of "Yes on 8" donors to the point where they quit their jobs, even ditched their longtime careers, to get some peace.
You're right, there's nothing to say. The haters already said what needs to be said.
You have NOTHING to say we'd listen to." *
Much of this special interest group has so firmly convinced that everyone who disagrees with it is closed-minded, ignorant, and bigoted, any attempt at dialogue would become a one-sided diatribe.
Reasonable people might have been open to a dialogue, but that ended with the trashing of Mormon temples, racial slurs against people perceived as favoring traditional marriage, and outing and harassing of "Yes on 8" donors to the point where they quit their jobs, even ditched their longtime careers, to get some peace.
You're right, there's nothing to say. The haters already said what needs to be said.
Anonymous | 5:09 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
@Anonymous
LDS elders didn't care which CA families they hurt did they? Did they make a provision that disabled gay couples could remain married?
Did the make a provision that a senior lesbian couple could remain married?
Did they make a provision that a lesbian couple with kids living below the poverty level can remain married?
So why would you imagine I care about a non Mormon Utah resident?
When gays and lesbians confront Mormons directly, we get cast as the VILLIANS attacking the "innocent sweet church folks." So we'll let Utah residents who's property taxes and sales taxes go OFF THE CHARTS teach the LDS elders a Civics Lesson.
"Mind Your OWN Bu$ine%% 1-001"
LDS elders didn't care which CA families they hurt did they? Did they make a provision that disabled gay couples could remain married?
Did the make a provision that a senior lesbian couple could remain married?
Did they make a provision that a lesbian couple with kids living below the poverty level can remain married?
So why would you imagine I care about a non Mormon Utah resident?
When gays and lesbians confront Mormons directly, we get cast as the VILLIANS attacking the "innocent sweet church folks." So we'll let Utah residents who's property taxes and sales taxes go OFF THE CHARTS teach the LDS elders a Civics Lesson.
"Mind Your OWN Bu$ine%% 1-001"
Parker from Park City | 5:12 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
Oh, why don't you all just get over it? The election was months ago and
the time for a sane conversation would have been before the vote. Utah can
survive being boycotted by gays, and if Sundance can't, that'll be
fine, too. Sundance used to start after MLK weekend and end on Superbowl
Sunday. Maybe this year's weaker turnout will give PC the leverage to get
it back on that schedule so we can serve skiers on the long weekend.
mark | 5:14 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
California
You conveniently didn't mention the FELONS in the Yes on prop 8 side who mailed out BLACKMAIL letters to No on Prop 8 donors,,,,which they have admitted sending.
EACH letter carries a 4 year prison sentence and thousands in fines, one is a high ranking LDS lawyer.
WHERE are they being prosecuted?...huh cupcake?
You conveniently didn't mention the FELONS in the Yes on prop 8 side who mailed out BLACKMAIL letters to No on Prop 8 donors,,,,which they have admitted sending.
EACH letter carries a 4 year prison sentence and thousands in fines, one is a high ranking LDS lawyer.
WHERE are they being prosecuted?...huh cupcake?
Anonymous | 5:27 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
@Parker
It's good you don't mind if Sundance doesn't survive in your town. Cuz Redford is being wooed by Dubai to create for them a Sundance-style film festival. Wouldn't that be a kick in the face to Utah, if Modern Moderate Muslims are easier to deal with as hosts for an Indie Film festival, than Militant Mormons.
It's good you don't mind if Sundance doesn't survive in your town. Cuz Redford is being wooed by Dubai to create for them a Sundance-style film festival. Wouldn't that be a kick in the face to Utah, if Modern Moderate Muslims are easier to deal with as hosts for an Indie Film festival, than Militant Mormons.
ajarizona | 5:49 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
Memo to the Gay Community;
You just are not as important as you think you are. Nor do you carry the influence you think you do.
Go ahead and boycott Utah and all things Mormon.
Start with television, because that was invented by a Mormon as well.
More deep powder and serenity at our 5 National Parks
for the locals and good clean living people.
The world does no revolve around you and your agenda.
38 States have oulawed Gay marriage in their constitutions, and 48 have outlawed it all together.
To think that your only hurdle is the iddy bidy Mormon community, then you are nuts.
The 5,000 year old consensus of heterosexual marriage spanning all nations and civilizations, "is the status quo".
The Gay, party crashing, antagonistic, paradyme shift toward gay marriage, is your burden.
When you can't even see the silliness of your arguments and then target the Mormons as your scapegoat, you are laughable and quite frankly out of touch with reality.
Finding a common enemy to bash will only strengthen Utah the Mormons, Catholics, Black Americans and all those who are for normal traditional marriage.
Your strategy is just plain ignorant
ajarizona
You just are not as important as you think you are. Nor do you carry the influence you think you do.
Go ahead and boycott Utah and all things Mormon.
Start with television, because that was invented by a Mormon as well.
More deep powder and serenity at our 5 National Parks
for the locals and good clean living people.
The world does no revolve around you and your agenda.
38 States have oulawed Gay marriage in their constitutions, and 48 have outlawed it all together.
To think that your only hurdle is the iddy bidy Mormon community, then you are nuts.
The 5,000 year old consensus of heterosexual marriage spanning all nations and civilizations, "is the status quo".
The Gay, party crashing, antagonistic, paradyme shift toward gay marriage, is your burden.
When you can't even see the silliness of your arguments and then target the Mormons as your scapegoat, you are laughable and quite frankly out of touch with reality.
Finding a common enemy to bash will only strengthen Utah the Mormons, Catholics, Black Americans and all those who are for normal traditional marriage.
Your strategy is just plain ignorant
ajarizona
Oh Mark | 5:55 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
Utah didn't vote on Prop 8. Why not boycott California that voted 52% for
prop 8? Less than 3% of the vote was LDS or are you conveniently forgetful? And
don't forget the Catholics, Evangelicals and Park City which is not
predominantly LDS. Why not be pan-bigoted and just hate everyone who
doesn't buy your line?
mark | 7:16 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
LDS OWNS prop 8.
You wrote it, you got it put on the CA ballot, you funded 4 of every 5 dollars of the fear mongering LYING ads, you bussed people to canvas neighborhoods. THEN election night you BRAGGED to all the other FUNDIES how big and bad you were, and what a victory you had. ONLY when a fury of demonstrations and announcement of the Boycott did you begin pointing fingers at coalitions, and Catholics, and racial minorities. which makes you COWARDS, as well as HATERS.
Just so you know, the Boycott of Utah doesn't end in June when CA overturns prop 8. IT NEVER ENDS.
You wrote it, you got it put on the CA ballot, you funded 4 of every 5 dollars of the fear mongering LYING ads, you bussed people to canvas neighborhoods. THEN election night you BRAGGED to all the other FUNDIES how big and bad you were, and what a victory you had. ONLY when a fury of demonstrations and announcement of the Boycott did you begin pointing fingers at coalitions, and Catholics, and racial minorities. which makes you COWARDS, as well as HATERS.
Just so you know, the Boycott of Utah doesn't end in June when CA overturns prop 8. IT NEVER ENDS.
Mark you silly man | 7:28 p.m. Jan. 25, 2009
The boycott is so ineffective as to not matter but you are doing WAY more damage
to the gay community in Utah than the rest of the population. IF anybody
boycotted Sundance for example, do you think the Queer Lounge had more support
or less? If you boycott temple squire it makes sense but a state? Its ABSURD and
INEFFECTIVE so enjoy it, nobody else has noticed.
@Mark | 10:04 a.m. Jan. 26, 2009
The hysteria in your responses increases along with the innuendo and
unsubstantiated rumors you keep throwing out. Either back up your ridiculous
claims with sources other than your deluded imagination, or get off the forum.
mark | 1:22 p.m. Jan. 26, 2009
The story of Robert Redford being wooed by Dubai was published in the Salt Lake
City TRIBUNE.
Boston Globe published an article what a FLOP the festival was
Magic Fades at Sundance festival....TODAY
seperately I've read merchants in Park City estimate sales down 30-40% and Variety published hotel rentals down 12%. a 63 yo Park City ski resort ski instructor was quoted in a Park rcord story saying lessons are less than HALF.
The sponsors I listed are available on Sundance's own site, ABSOLUT and GLAAD sponsored Queer Lounge, as their website plainly states.
If you have any question about a particular fact I stated, bring it on.
Boston Globe published an article what a FLOP the festival was
Magic Fades at Sundance festival....TODAY
seperately I've read merchants in Park City estimate sales down 30-40% and Variety published hotel rentals down 12%. a 63 yo Park City ski resort ski instructor was quoted in a Park rcord story saying lessons are less than HALF.
The sponsors I listed are available on Sundance's own site, ABSOLUT and GLAAD sponsored Queer Lounge, as their website plainly states.
If you have any question about a particular fact I stated, bring it on.
mark | 1:26 p.m. Jan. 26, 2009
@@Mark
Your comments BLOCK urls being included so EXACTLY how do you suppose I back up my claims?
Seems you only want the Mormo-pedia version of prop 8, which is your perogative, but don't act like I can't back up MY CLAIMS.
Your comments BLOCK urls being included so EXACTLY how do you suppose I back up my claims?
Seems you only want the Mormo-pedia version of prop 8, which is your perogative, but don't act like I can't back up MY CLAIMS.
mark | 1:31 p.m. Jan. 26, 2009
CA penalties for extortion is 4 years, and thousands in fines....that isn't
disputed, and each letter would be a seperate crime.
LDS is also being investigated for non-monetary donations they made and didn't declare, each infraction has a $5000.00 FINE
LDS is also being investigated for non-monetary donations they made and didn't declare, each infraction has a $5000.00 FINE
mark | 3:22 p.m. Jan. 26, 2009
Change your headline, you want a MONOLOGUE only the opinions which you agree
with. When you grow up in a couple years, with financial calamity gutting your
tourism, we'll talk...MAYBE.
I saw pics of actors at Sundance | 5:02 p.m. Jan. 26, 2009
Correct me if I was wrong, but I saw pics in the paper of the following
celebrities at Sundance:
-Paris Hilton
-Kim Kardashian (sisters at her side)
-Chris Rock
-Billy Bob Thornton
-Ashton Kutcher
-Demi Moore
-Jim Carrey
-Ewan McGregor
-Andie MacDowell
-Sharon Stone
-Mike Tyson
-Denise Richards
-Kevin Bacon
-Spike Lee
-Christie Brinkley
-Pierce Brosnan
-Hulk Hogan's ex wife Linda
-Anna Chlumsky
-Susan Sarandon
-Uma Thurman
-Amy Poehler
-Robert De Niro
-Mariah Carey
-Nick Cannon
Just about any normal person (slackers not included) can recognize AT LEAST two names on this list, if not more.
So don't come along as some gay or lesbian and try to tell me that Sundance was a flop because of some lame "boycott"!
-Paris Hilton
-Kim Kardashian (sisters at her side)
-Chris Rock
-Billy Bob Thornton
-Ashton Kutcher
-Demi Moore
-Jim Carrey
-Ewan McGregor
-Andie MacDowell
-Sharon Stone
-Mike Tyson
-Denise Richards
-Kevin Bacon
-Spike Lee
-Christie Brinkley
-Pierce Brosnan
-Hulk Hogan's ex wife Linda
-Anna Chlumsky
-Susan Sarandon
-Uma Thurman
-Amy Poehler
-Robert De Niro
-Mariah Carey
-Nick Cannon
Just about any normal person (slackers not included) can recognize AT LEAST two names on this list, if not more.
So don't come along as some gay or lesbian and try to tell me that Sundance was a flop because of some lame "boycott"!
didn't miss you at all....... | 5:29 p.m. Jan. 26, 2009
so you didn't come to sundance? Oops, didn't notice it at all.
Anonymous | 5:36 p.m. Jan. 26, 2009
ajarizona
What an arrogant comment.
When it comes to civil rights and human equality, EVERY INDIVIDUAL is as important and influential!
Anyone who says otherwise is one of the worst forms of bigot and tyrrant alive!
What an arrogant comment.
When it comes to civil rights and human equality, EVERY INDIVIDUAL is as important and influential!
Anyone who says otherwise is one of the worst forms of bigot and tyrrant alive!
mark | 12:08 a.m. Jan. 29, 2009
Gutting the puny minimal 4 gay rights bills in Utah, makes LGBTs nationaly even
less likely to travel to, or purchase ANYTHING from Utah or LDS owned.
It also wlll cause LGBT youths in Utah to LEAVE, and cutting you out of their lives.....permanently
It also wlll cause LGBT youths in Utah to LEAVE, and cutting you out of their lives.....permanently
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