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Published: Saturday, Jan. 10 2009 12:07 a.m. MST

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DC Mormon

To The temples of the Bible | 3:45 p.m. Jan. 11, 2009:

Actually, ancient Jewish temples were quite restrictive of who could and could not empty as were Egyptian temples. In Egypt, where I lived and explored for quite some time studying the culture and visiting the Temples, ancient temples were restricted to the priests and royal house with separate courtyards for non-priests. You had to be a priest to enter the sacred inner chambers or a ruler (who were considered sacred). Likewise, the Jewish temple had signs inidicating how close to the temple non-Jews were permitted, hence that area was called the Courtyard of the Gentiles. Only ordained priests were permitted within the temple itself. So, in effect, they did have temple recommends of a sort.

Anonymous

I am familiar with Old Testament Temple rituals. Its sole function was to teach the need for atonement of sins as a precondition for authentic worship of the true and living God. The altar of burnt offering was located immediately in front of the only entrance to the Jerusalem temple for this reason. Next to that altar was the Laver, or "molten sea" in which the priests washed up after killing the sacrifice (a bloody business).

Will I see an altar of burnt offering in the Draper temple? No, you will probably say, because Jesus did away with burnt offerings, right? Well, that was the main purpose of temple, so it seems to mean Jesus did away with Temple worship.

Jesus did not teach "in the Temple". He taught in the outer courts that were open to the public. Only the priests were able to enter "The Holy Place" and only the High Priest on special occasions was able to enter the "Holy of Holies" in which sat the Ark of the Covenant.

What will I find in Draper? More importantly, how did Jesus change Temple worship, and where is the New Testament evidence of Mormon Temple worship?

Anonymous

It seems reasonable to assume that if (Mormon) Temple worship is such an important part of original, "true" Christianity, then Jesus would have made it a priority for his disciples and apostles to institute the kind of rituals Mormons do in their temples today. There should be evidence of this in the New Testament. There should be evidence of this in ANY ancient accounts of Jesus' life and teachings, but there isn't, at least that I am aware of. That is why I ask. Are there New Testament (or ancient texts) evidence that JESUS taught or established anything remotely like the Temple worship Mormons carry out today?

I really would like to know as I tour the Draper temple. I would be happy to meet someone there who could answer my questions.

Anyone willing to help?

Anonymous

1:38 p.m.,

Thank you. Was that so hard?

So you are equivocating Christian Temple worship with baptisms for the dead? These source you allude to do not explain why baptism for the dead was not part of Old Testament (Solomon's temple or the Jerusalem temple) ritual. Nor do they support the contention that baptisms for the dead took place in the Jewish Temple. And they especially fail to show that JESUS taught about, or directed his followers to carry out, or otherwise participate in baptism for the dead or any other temple rituals.

Anonymous

Is the sole or main purpose of Mormon temples to do "baptisms for the dead"? If not, what is the main purpose of the Mormon temples?

If these purposes are so important for "true" Christianity, as Mormons claim was "restored" by Joseph Smith, where is the evidence that Jesus considered these rituals to be so important?

The histories of the LDS Church I have read say that temples were so important that they started building them even before building houses for the people in the Salt Lake valley. If temples are that important to original, true Christianity, why did Jesus fail to emphasize them in the same way?

Anonymous

I guess one explanation as to why there is no evidence of Jesus teaching about temples and the rituals Mormons associate with temples is that Jesus himself apostatized from true Christiantity! Is that what Mormons are saying?

Huh?

I read a lot of comments on here and from other posts that say something like, "I'm so glad to not be a Mormon anymore and be free from all of the restrictive rules."

Which rules? There are rules everywhere in society. What is it that you are so anxious to get free from?

Seems to me the real killer of freedom is addiction - be it alcohol, tobacco, pornography, etc. Been there, done that. That's not freedom.

When I hear people saying how glad they are to be free from the church, I think what they really mean is that they know deep down right from wrong and attending church/being around other members reminds them that they're on the wrong path.

I've yet to attend church and been "told what to do."

Anonymous

Can I tour the Draper Temple on Sunday?

Re: Anon

Lots of questions about Jesus and what He did/didn't teach about temples. It has already been said a few times on this board, but making ordinances (example baptism) are well covered in the NT and OT. Simply because the specifics are not mentioned in the NT does not mean they did not exist.

Anyone who has attended the temple will recognize the teaching of Jesus and NT/OT prophets.

Baptism for the dead is mentioned in the NT.

An Outsiders View

Dear residents of Utah:

Amazed at the number of sad and misguided people represented on these newspaper forums. Never seen so many misguided attempts to tear down another's faith.

The building of a new temple or synagogue or mosque or church is greeted in most places with celebration and congratulations. But, apparently not in Salt Lake City.

There certainly must be a lot of stones in your mountains for people to cast at one another. Shame on those who persist in casting stones and calling names. How utterly childish. Please get a life.

Cross ways cricket eaters

My, my, aren't we all a judgmental group on here. Do you people always sling mud from both directions?

Anonymous

Why do you tease people by telling you have some great truth, and invite us to come tour your Holy Temples, but then fail to answer our sincere questions?

Mormon temple ordinances are NOT "well covered in the NT and OT." Not even close. If you know otherwise, you really should tell us. If you don't know otherwise, then you need to stop making those claims.

"Simply because the specifics are not mentioned in the NT does not mean they did not exist."

With recent archeological discoveries over the past 60 years, a LOT of things are "mentioned", but that doesn't mean they are true! Just because Josephus mentions" baptism for the dead doesn't make it part of original, true Christianity. If it did, then Valentinianism (and other gnosticisms) would have more of a claim to being the "restored" truth than what Mormonism offers.

"Anyone who has attended the temple will recognize the teaching of Jesus and NT/OT prophets."

That is little help to those of us who are not allowed in Mormon temples to see those teachings. I would think that is obvious.

I would really like some answers before I tour the Draper temple. Any help?

Warm Winter...

Mormon crickets will be bountiful this year. End of days my friends, end of days.

Re: Anon

Your questions are legitimate, but some things that happen in the temple are sacred (not secret), which is why you're not getting specific details. My advice is to attend the open house and see what you can find out. There really aren't any deep dark mysteries in the temple. More like personal experiences. There are commitments between a person and his/her maker that are not mysterious or secret per se, just personal. There are several things, for example, I would be uncomfortable asking you about yourself. It doesn't mean you are hiding anything, it's just between you and God or you and another person.

@ Anonymous of 3:20

"Nobody "conflated tithing with assault and robbery." Tithing us used to build temples. Right? Why so rude and defensive?"

You seriously can't see how the following statement at 8:26 might be rude and associates tithing with armed robbery?

"As for tithing, you can say anything is "voluntary". Giving your money to the robber who has a knife to your throat is "voluntary". Are you saying I could worship in an LDS Temple if I did not pay tithing?"

If you have sincere questions, an article comments section on the D-News site is probably not the best place for an academic discussion of temple rites and covenants.

You are right...

This probably isn't the best forum to talk about specific rituals. But what it is is a good place for people to be able to see that not all people are ever going to see things the same way. Of course it's up to you to believe that someday we all will see it the same. But we are talking about what is best in the here and now. If someone decides to join a church then it is their personal business, but please don't think that one church is better than another. Let's all Love One Another as Jesus taught...all else means little. I believe that all religions (whether Christian or not) can agree on this teaching and it would make the world a much better place to all agree on that point.

Sarah Nichole

In regards to the temple questions, without going into specific detail, there was a point right after Christ's resurrection, where He came down to teach the Apostles for 40 days. There is no existing record of what was taught to them at that time, though, since that is when the temple ordinances began being practiced by the people (whether physically inside or at a sanctified place outside, I don't know), I've heard many people speculate that that is what Christ was teaching them. There is no official doctrine about that, so far as I know, but I've heard it repeated many times over the years.

I, for one, think that there was a lot that Christ did and taught that was not recorded, or was lost over the years, because there are some things which are too sacred to put down in explicit detail. Also, everything after the Gospels, and maybe Acts, was written as letters to existing Christians. There would be no need to give instructions on how to do something that they were already doing, and there is ample evidence from those early Christian scholars which shows they were doing these things.

Maybe so...

But does this make this the only way to live and think? No...and this is evidenced by the billions of people in the world that practice different religions and different ways of thinking. We can all believe and practice as we will and we should let others do the same. Thanks for sharing your beautiful buildings sometimes and some of your teachings, but I am not interested.
God Bless All

Anonymous

Why isn't this site an appropriate place for a discussion of temple rites? What are you Mormons afraid of? This is the perfect forum for such a discussion. Do you have answers or not?

Anonymous

Sarah,

Ample evidence? Can you please provide some? So far there has been none.

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