People in the U.S. need to learn how to drive but we can all blame the eduation
system on that. Speed doesn't kill, stupid does.
How typical, just got from the autobahn. Drove about 2 hours with a constant
speed of 110 MPH. Not everybody does that or want to do that, but there is room
to do so. Don't see the point of this discussion. Let people decide for
themselves. Give Troopers the task of maintaining safety by fining for dangerous
behavior like calling will driving, unessesry left driving and dangerous
overtaking, instead of driving 3 mph over speed. That is a hilarious joke!
Yeah the LDS debate is stupid. It's plain and simple, you go slow your going to
get run over. I speed but I respect other drivers who go the speed limit.
Drivers who go under the limit get under my skin. They impede traffic and this
leads to more accidents. If you are going to go under the speed limit, then at
least stay in the right lane. I have personally ran into a couple drivers who
find it there place to limit other drivers speed and lets just say after about
the third time of them doing this all they see is the slushie i was holding and
camaro tailights speeding off. After that they tend to mind their own business
and stay in the right lane. Now im not sayin to go do this but if you think its
your place to limit others speed you might wanna think twice about it when
driving through Ohio.
I am not sure what is harder to believe. The article or the comments. How did an
article about speed limits turn into a for/against the LDS church?
My Car Lol... Does not even change to its final gear tell about 116 MPH. Granted
it is not all cars I just think its funny all the EPA stuff we have on our cars
and speed restrictions. Which in turn cause the lower gas mileage. My same car
in Germany get 15-20 Miles more per gallon than what it does in the USA. Explain
that. And as previously stated Fatality Rates are lower in Germany, proving only
that speed is not the factor but better engineering and education.
Keep in mind "Follow the prophet | 2:02 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009" that UT State Law
Always says that is Impeding Traffic and is actually a Larger Fine than speeding
10 MPH over. Left Lane is for Passing only in UT and typically should be used as
such. It is just a nice to be aware of others. If someone is going faster behind
you and you notice please get aside. This allows both drivers to be more aware
and in turn can help to cause less accidents.
Most of the comments on this come from pacifists.. It just amazes me nobody
wants to go fast enough to get to where they want to be.. *chuckle while shaking
I've done today 350 miles in 3 hours 45 minutes.60% of the roads I used
have only two lanes each direction.There is a 50mph speed limit for
trucks.There are much more trucks than on most interstates in the US.My average speed was 93mph. My highest speed was 153mph. At this speed on a
three lanes part I have to go change the middle lane to let a faster car
pass.My speed was than 100mph higher than the speed of the trucks on the
rigth lane.There was no problem: It was safe, it was convenient and it was
legal.My fuel consumption was about 13 gallons of diesel.80mph? That's slow!
If your LDS you should have been taught to be humble, not to boast about your
religion, lets keep that out of this. I have also driven in these stretches and
there really isn't a lot of cars on these areas so there is no worry of it being
crowded and an accident occurring.
I am from Germany and I only can say that the whole discussion here makes me
smile. On half of the German highways we are "free to go" - Everyone can choose
his own speed. That makes speedlimits more acceptable since they exist only
where there is a reason (well ok, most of the time...).I am happy
about every step governments in the US do in the direction of higher or even no
speed limits.It's a pity that Montana had to fall back to 75 mph in 1999 -
only because of the fact that the term "reasonable and prudent" was too vague
for the law.
Actually the death rate has gone even lower as of 2006.USA: 5.0 per
Billion kvmtGermany 3.0-International Road and Traffic Accident
DatabaseThe Autobahn is always the white elephant in the room
that nobody in the safety movement wants to talk about because it blows a hole
right through their speed theories. It illustrates that lane discipline is far
more important than speed.Our death rate is about 65% higher. Kind
of embarrassing considering our oppressive speed policies. Obviously our
strategy is failing. We are driving slower, have less freedom, our auto
industry is on life support, we are burning more fuel per mile driven even
though we drive slower, and more people are dying. None of the promised
benefits championed by the safety community have materialized. I think we
should take Germany's approach, we could save a lot of lives and maybe even our
auto industry.Also, when did so many Americans become such scared little
pathetic creatures. All government has to do now is even suggest something
might be dangerous and everyone screams bloody murder. It's good people weren't
this scared and weak during the revolution or we would not even have a country.
80 is a very reasonable speed limit for a rural interstate. When speeds are
reasonable (about the 85th percentile), people obey them and driving is safer.
When they are ridiculously low (such as 55) people completely disregard them.
It is the government's own fault of the ten over mentality. Had speed limits
always been reasonable, then drivers would not have the ten over mentality.
Thank you Representative Scott Jenkins for being the one that got this done!
Drive safe, drive up to 80 and if elected officials lower or allow it to be
lowered, then vote those who supported the decrease out of office!
To "Follow the Prophet": if you really respect the law, do what you do but on
the right lane. No one is asking others to break the law; everyone is
discussing whether the new speed limit is reasonable.Please do not connect
fast driving to reckless driving. I think driving carefully over 80 mph is
safer than being ignorant at 50 mph on the same highway. I've driven on the
German autobahn as well as other european highways; at 180 kph (110 mph), I feel
safer than 70 mph on our highways which I usually see people suddenly pull in
front of me at 60 mph. Can anyone tell me on what safety measure our 65 limit
is based? I hope it is not based on the accommodation for bad driving
behaviors. We should focus on improving our road condition and driver education
rather than keeping the low speed limit.
Fatality Rate per 1 Billion KM on MotorwaysUSA: 5.2 Germany: 3.8
I think the speed should be 65 tops. speed kills. also, yes- they to go fast in
european plases, but check out the death from it. It's up up up. is that what we
If they are going to moniter that section more closely and not let you go ten
over eighty, why not just keep it at 75 and keep the enforcement a little lax??
I don't agree with what "Follow the Prophet" said any more than you do, and I'm
LDS. Why don't you quit generalizing. Your logic is flawed, much like the
aforementioned poster. You could both stand to grow up a bit.
I believe they passed legislation against impeding traffic while in the left
lane... making it against the law. According to your own justification, you are
violating your own beliefs.In addition, all mankind have been
granted their own free agency. By blocking others from using the left lane as
you see fit, you are in fact seeking to remove that free agency. Forgive me if
I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure God didn't look too kindly on that sort of action
the first time it happened with Satan, and since he never changes, probably
doesn't have the highest opinion of your choice either.Let all men
and women make those choices for themselves, it's not your job to do it for
them. You can be a fine example in the other lanes where you are not violating
traffic laws, or purposely causing contention on the road. The beam before the
mote my friend.
I think 85th percentile speed means 15% of drivers are going faster than 80.
Not 85%. It's like scoring the 85th percentile on a test. That means 15% were
higher than you, 85% were lower.
Over a distance of four hundred miles, I can save twenty minutes by driving 80
rather than 75. At that speed my Toyota Corolla might lose 3 miles per gallon
over its optimal mileage of 35 mpg. So, at 75 mph I use about 11.4
gallons of gas. At 80 mph I use 12.5 gallons of gas. At $1.60 a gallon, it has
cost me $1.76 to shave twenty minutes off my travel time. In my opinion, that's
well worth it.
Follow the Prophet is being somewhat hypocritical.First he chastises
others for breaking the law. Then he openly admits that he intentionally breaks
the law himself by driving in the left lane at 5 MPH under the speed limit, as
some sort of self appointed traffic flow control.Doesn't he know
that Utah law states that slower traffic must stay to the right, and that it is
against the law to impede traffic flow? Perhaps if he wants to set
such a good example, he needs to quit picking and choosing which laws he wants
to be an example of, at the expense of others.Mike B: Fuel
consumption at higher speeds have less to do with design of the powertrain and
more to do with drag. Those concerned with fuel economy have a valid point.
But much more could be done that would save more fuel than slowing down. But
that's another subject by itself.
Fred: Actually gas mileage is different for different engines. Some are
specifically tuned to get the best gas mileage at 55 MPH, some at 60 MPH and so
on. So an 80 MPH speed limit does NOT always equal better mileage.
It is better to die on the road than in the womb, at least you get to experience
the planet for a little while, and you never have to pay off that pesky credit
card debt either, but you do get to spend the money and enjoy life for a
while.To save the most gas, you need to drive backwards, because the
transmission stays in first gear when it is in reverse, and all that shifting of
gears is the major cause of wasting fuel in this country. Think about it.Plus driving backwards is so much safer, you can't fall asleep while
driving in reverse because it is so uncomfortable to look back over your
shoulder. How many people get in a wreck while driving backwards? hardly any!And if a cop comes afer you, they will actually start out driving after
you in the other direction, because they won't know that you are going in
reverse. By the time they figure out they are getting farther away from you
instead of closer, they will give up and go pick on someone else.This is really the best way to go.Airplanes should probably go
The little towns are all for this, hoping that you will forget to slow down when
you drive through their town so they can pick up a little christmass bonus for
their policemen.I need a cruise control with a gps connected to it
so I can program it when to speed up and slow down.Add in a radar
detector too, so it will go 15mph over and then drop down to the speed limit
when it smells a cop.Also need a directional electron burst stun gun
mounted in a hidden compartment under the hood to shoot at the slow pokes in
front of me and fry their engine computer and electronics if they block
traffic.By the way, my car doesn't run on oil. Yours doesn't need
I drive 85 on every stretch of I-15. Traffic just makes it a challenge!
How typical of LDS drivers to think they can "set a good example" by restricting
the rest of us when we want to go faster. Do us a favor and stay in the right
I am active LDS and I am insulted by these comments from San Diego and Seattle
-- the liberal West Coast mentality shines through! Whatever happened to
"honoring and obeying the law" -- as the prophet asks us to do? I do
my part by driving 5mph under the speed limit, and staying in the left lane to
set a good example for my brothers and sisters.
I like driving in San Diego because everyone drives at least 75 where possible.
Even those in the right lane.I dislike driving in Utah because
people drive in the left lane at 5mph under the limit. They refuse to move over
when I come up behind them.
You actually save gas by going faster because you are driving your car a reduced
amount of time than going slower and driving longer. Plus it is safer to go
faster because you are on the road less time and reduces the opportunity for
accidents. People who are driving in the left lane at a speed slower
than the flow of traffic should be stopped and the UHP should crush their car
and leave them and their car by the side of the road.
Not quite as good as Reasonable and Prudent, but every mile per hour helps!
I was born in American Fork.I graduated from BYU.I live in
Seattle.I feel like I am taking my life in my hands everytime I drive in
Utah as it is.I have had several friends killed on Utah highways. None have been killed in Washington or in California (where I lived from age 8
to 33).Utah drivers are the worst I have ever seen.I drive 70
in your 75 zones because that is fast enough.I am a conservative and
hate Washington's liberal politics. The liberals kill their young while still
in the womb.Utah kills them on the highways.
In reference to the 12:19 p.m. comments. I have driven that stretch of highway
often and there has never been a time when I couldn't be in the right lane going
75mph over 95% of the time. Sure I may need to pass a few semi trucks here and
there, but I don't pass them by going just 1mph faster than they are traveling.
Good grief, change lanes, speed up 5-10mph and get back in the right lane.
Pretty simple. How many millions of dollars would it take to add extra lanes?
Would it save anymore lives? Logic please....
To those who think it's dangerous for someone in the left lane to be going 80mph
while they are going 65mph in the right lane, ever been on a two-lane highway?
If someone who is traveling West at 55mph, hits someone traveling East at 55mph,
it's many times more likely that a fatality will occur than if someone rear ends
you when they are going 80mph and you are going 65mph. The primary dangers on
the road from other drivers isn't speed, it's common sense. Too close of a
following distance, erradic lane changes, impeding the flow of traffic,
intoxication, driving at high speeds on icy roads or in times of poor
It is interesting to me to see how many comments are made about staying out of
the left lane. If anyone has driven this stretch of highway often, you know you
cannot always stay to the right. There is often a chain of semi trucks that
block both lanes. It might be a better suggestion to leave the speed
limit where it was and put in extra lanes. That way the trucks will be out of
Instead of a Maximum speed limit on the free way...there should be a minimum
speed limit of 80MPH
Forget that!The greedy oilmen are leaving town next week.Gas prices
will never, never, never, ever go up again!
...If most of the people are breaking the law then it's OK.What kind of
stupid liberal mentality is that?
1. No; and 2. Who cares?
The energy consumption varies from one car model to another, and even between
cars of the same model depending on how they're maintained. Every car has a
"sweet spot" where the engine is consuming the least fuel, but where that spot
is depends on the combination of the engine, the transmission and the driving
conditions.In short, "Your Mileage May Vary".
To you drivers who don't want to drive 80 MPH?Stay out of the
left hand lane.....its against the law to impede traffic in the left lane while
there is room for you to move over to the slower lanes!
"The 80 mph limit was based on studies last summer that showed the 85th
percentile of speed in those stretches was already 80 mph."Of course
people went 80mph. Everyone knows they can push the speed limit by 5mph. But
now the average will be 85mph.
Read the article. They used Juab county as a test area due to less traffic than
the west desert.
Many of our new cars are advanced enough that they handle 80 easily. Many of our
alert drivers will have no problem handling this speed. When you hear about
someone slamming into the behind of a slow moving vehicle, speed is not always
an issue. I'm all for this.
Does anybody care about conserving energy? What's the energy consumption per
mile at 80 vs. lower speeds?
how they study to see if there is a need for speed out on the freeway?Lets see some fatalities and then do something after the end results?
Good. 80 is a perfectly safe speed. I have been driving that speed
for some time and have had no problems at all.We need to move beyond
the mentality that anything above what the slowest person drives is crazy.Speed limits should be based on the 85%. The speed that up to 85% of the
drivers drive.If you want to drive slower, by all means go ahead.
Just be polite and keep to the right lane except when passing. The same thing
all motorists should do.
Texas has two very long stretches of 80mph limits on Interstate 10 and
Interstate 20 in west Texas. They have found that very few people are speeding
much over the 80 mph limit. Some are going 85, very few above that. It has not
been an automatic, "let's go 10mph above whatever speed limit is posted." They
have found the vast majority of drivers don't have a comfort level to drive much
over the 80-85 mph speeds. So some of the comments here don't actually play out
in real life.
The Bill Hickman Law.
Why Juab county, why not across the west desert where everyone already drives at
least 80? I say open the whole stretch from Knolls to the Stateline as a test
As a professor of highway safety studies show that there are less accidents and
the severity of those accidents are less when speed limits are higher.
My husband and I drove to Cedar City and back last week. I couldn't believe the
80 speed limit, and can't really understand a logical reason for it. Drivers
already drive 80 on those stretches of road (with the mentality of "the police
won't ticket you if you're 5 miles over) so now they'll drive 85? This seems to be a way to get people to drive faster and forget to slow down
at these towns so they can be ticketed. Fillmore is already a speed trap.We all like to get through long, boring stretches of road quickly, but
accidents can still happen in these areas. What a dumb idea, this
80 mph speed limit!
Despite rural and urban interstate speed limits slowly increasing over the last
decade, motor vehicle fatality rates have been declining over the same period.
In 1994, there were 1.73 motor vehicle deaths per 100 million miles driven in
the US. That rate was 1.37 at the end of 2007, a 21% decline in 13 years. Do a
Google search for motor vehicle fatality statistics and click on the first link.
The reason for increasing the speed limit is, as Mario alluded to, to
decriminalize harmless behavior.Evidence demonstrates that driving
faster does not cause accidents. Driving coupled with bad judgment, regardless
of being over or under a posted speed limit, is the cause of accidents and
fatalities (e.g. driving drunk, fatigue, inattentiveness, etc.). If you're
familiar with how to prevent bad judgment, then please share if with the rest of
Accoording to the article, 85% of drivers are going 80 already. I apploud the
state for honoring the natural speed on the freeway. Know if they would enforce
slower drivers in the left lane law.
Alan, please cite us the studies that drivers won't now drive 3-5 miles an hour
over the posted 80-mile-an-hour speed limit. I've never seen a higher speed
limit where drivers actually drive that limit; most drivers will drive faster
than what is posted. I don't know about Utah, but here in Colorado, where I,
too, drive 3-5 over the 75-mile-per-hour limit, I get passed like I'm standing
still. I've also at that same speed counted how many drivers I pass in a
60-mile stretch, and it was exactly one. Now, with that said, I think drivers
are already driving 80 miles per hour, so it's good they are testing it out so
as to make it legal. Hopefully it doesn't make for more accidents and deaths,
but time will tell on that.
Speed limits are stupid. The cars can safely travel at those speeds. Many can
safely travel much faster. It is the drivers that need to be scrutinized.
Weaving traffic, pulling out in front of someone while driving 20 MPH slower
than them. Not moving back to the right hand lane after a pass. Not slowing
down if the road conditions are poor. Cops should just put away their radar
detectors and pull over the idiots out there instead.
hahahahah. My old truck won't even go 80 mph.
How nice. 80 as a limit and many won't hit it but when the limit goes down to 65
they speed up to 80.
This is a good idea. Traveling through rural Utah at 75mph is ok but I usually
set the cruise at 83 anyway.
Interstate 10 from about Kerrville to El Paso is 80 mph in Texas. When I drive
it, most people stick to the limit, and it's great. Speed limit for trucks is
still 70. Even if it was 70 mph for cars, there are always some who will do 90
mph anyway. Let the law of evolution decide their fate.
Speeds like that are wasteful - they burn more gas, cost us more money, and make
the roads more dangerous. We should be heading the other direction... 65 mph
tops, everywhere. We have to stop wasting our limited resources; who wants to
support the middle-east oil companies more?
90 really isn't that fast. One almost NEEDS to drive 90 across certain parts of
Wyoming, Utah, and other flat areas of the country. And who can stay awake
driving so slowly otherwise. Driving at the edge of one's ability to keep the
car on the road helps keep the adrenaline pumping, which is essential on long
Great Idea! I love the speed limit change! I drive the points frequently and
enjoy the OPTION to go faster. If you are upset with it get in the right lane
and drive whatever speed you want. Faster has not been proven to be more
dangerous! Auto Bahn ect! Happy Driving!
New line by the Tire Guys in Beaver who try to scam you into buying tires while
you fill up at gas station connected to their store..."Welp, I don't
know if I'd go through those 80 mph patches on those. I think I might be saving
you a big headache if we could slap the spare on it. Bring it on over and we'll
pop er up on the rack..."
I don't think upping the speed limit was a smart move. I agree with "STUPID"s
5:41 comment. Those of us who choose to drive 65 - 75 will irritate the faster
drivers and before you know it, a wreck will occur with fatalities.
gas anyone? wasting gas at high speeds..... and we say this state is
conservative, and that we are concerned about our use of God's resources.are we a joke or what.
I think it is stupid, because all the drunk drivers out there will get a little
more slack when they drink and drive! They pull them over for speeding, and then
they find that they're drunk. Now, with an increased speed limit, they don't
have to worry as much!
Although I agree that it's good to get through Juab County as fast as possible,
what is the reasoning for raising the speed limit?
How stupid! Of course they allow 60 MPH on HI 111 in western Salt Lake Valley
in residential areas. I guess the highway death toll is too low for them.
Please don't force me off the road and kill me when you're speeding past my car!
80 is fine if people actually drive it, but if people will go 90 now then
please leave it at 75.
Now I'll plan on being passed at 90 by some idiot that doesn't have the NASCAR
skills to drive that fast while talking on their cell phone.We all need to
slow down and learn to leave early enough to get where you're going without
risking your families life. Life would be more pleasant.
you're an idiot. the only ones going 90 are the ones from california on their
way to the ski resorts. Ut drivers always go slow and block the fast lanes.
are you trying to kill off the youth of utah ? theycan't controll their
vehicle's at 65.
I don't think so. From what I understand the state troopers have the option of
throwing the book at you if they catch you going one mile over 80.
What,we are bring treated like adults?? I always felt speeding tickets were
bogus if the driver was not impaired,vehicle is in sound mechanical condition to
travel the speeds it was at,you were not weaving in and out of traffic causing
others to yield to you,where's the fou?The officer pulls you over,scopes the
situation out,if all is good,he says something like "Hey, lets keep it safe and
have a nice day" No problem officer, you have a nice day to.Thats all it should
be,not some victimless crime you get charged with and pay and pay for. So I now
have more appreciation for our law makers making mature decisions for me. GO
80 mph (130 km/h) is legal on similar highways of most European countries
including Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Germany,
Hungary, Italy, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Ukraine and even tiny
Luxembourg. Thus, Utah's new speed zones should not be seen as unusual. Also,
countless studies of the actual speeds at which motorists choose to drive
demonstrate "everyone" will not "go 90" as claimed by "ut driver."
WAHOOOOO!!!! NOW EVERYONE CAN GO 90!!!!