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Anonymous | 2:13 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
It is so amusing that liberals think every opinion that opposes them must have
originated with Rush Limbaugh.
Agki | 2:32 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
Mike said: "There is too Global Warming, it's called Spring. Spring
comes every year, about March. Then we have global cooling every year, about
September."
No, Mike. Springtime warming in the Northern Hemisphere occurs at the same time fall cooling occurs in the Southern Hemisphere and the opposite in the fall for the north and spring in the south. Seasonal changes are global but the global temperature remains the same.
No, Mike. Springtime warming in the Northern Hemisphere occurs at the same time fall cooling occurs in the Southern Hemisphere and the opposite in the fall for the north and spring in the south. Seasonal changes are global but the global temperature remains the same.
Huntsman and Global Warming | 3:28 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
At the top of the list of foolish sycophants who jumped on the global warming
gravy train, is our own Governor Huntsman. History will make Huntsman out to be
very foolish indeed. Too bad he governs not as a statesman but as one looking
for national political brownie points.
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Roscoe | 3:27 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
@ Too Arrogant -
Ever hear of CFCs and the hole in the ozone? Enough of your grammar school arguement.
Ever hear of CFCs and the hole in the ozone? Enough of your grammar school arguement.
Anonymous | 3:48 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
And you can continue your nameless neocon rants over and over again,
but it still sounds like Limbaugh B.S.
but it still sounds like Limbaugh B.S.
This is where they get it | 4:03 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
"A fact you never hear the environmentalist wacko crowd acknowledge is that
96 percent of the so-called 'greenhouse' gases are not created by man,
but by nature." - Rush Limbaugh
Scientific Fact
the greenhouse gases added by humans over the last two hundred years have accumulated to the point that
the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, for example, is now more than 25 percent above what it had been for the previous 10,000 years. (Scientists have direct evidence of this data, from
measurements of air bubbles trapped in polar ice cores.)
See where these Pleasantville freaks get their info. LOL!
Scientific Fact
the greenhouse gases added by humans over the last two hundred years have accumulated to the point that
the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, for example, is now more than 25 percent above what it had been for the previous 10,000 years. (Scientists have direct evidence of this data, from
measurements of air bubbles trapped in polar ice cores.)
See where these Pleasantville freaks get their info. LOL!
@Anonymous 1:40 | 4:01 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
"Too many people."
What do you have against people?
What do you have against people?
Their neocon guru speaks lies | 4:07 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
Limbaugh proposes that environmental "alarmists and prophets of doom"
have exaggerated the problem of ozone depletion, suggesting that it has been
limited to "occasional reduced levels of ozone over Antarctica."
SCIENTIFIC FACT:
Substantially reduced levels of ozone have been measured over most of the globe, including North America, Europe, and elsewhere. In fact, scientists have observed a thinning of the ozone layer at all
latitudes outside the tropics. By 1991, the depletion over North America averaged nearly 5 percent. Since 1991, ozone depletion
has further intensified.
These ignorant fools worship Rush Limbaugh (on of off his OxyContin)
SCIENTIFIC FACT:
Substantially reduced levels of ozone have been measured over most of the globe, including North America, Europe, and elsewhere. In fact, scientists have observed a thinning of the ozone layer at all
latitudes outside the tropics. By 1991, the depletion over North America averaged nearly 5 percent. Since 1991, ozone depletion
has further intensified.
These ignorant fools worship Rush Limbaugh (on of off his OxyContin)
Poor excuse for a guru | 4:11 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
"Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines spewed forth more than a thousand times
the amount of ozone-depleting chemicals in one eruption than all the
fluorocarbons manufactured by wicked, diabolical, and insensitive corporations
in history. . . . Conclusion: mankind can't possibly equal the output of
even one eruption from Pinatubo, much less billion years' worth, so how can
we destroy ozone?"
- Rush Limbaugh
SCIENTIFIC FACT:
Limbaugh's numbers are completely off-base. Volcanoes emit two sorts of ozone-depleting compounds. One is hydrochloric acid, but the amount of this chemical in the stratosphere, measured before and after Pinatubo's eruption in 1991, was found to be largely unchanged.
But the Limbaughites STILL would rather believe the bloated bigot because "he speaks for us conservatives" - LOL!
- Rush Limbaugh
SCIENTIFIC FACT:
Limbaugh's numbers are completely off-base. Volcanoes emit two sorts of ozone-depleting compounds. One is hydrochloric acid, but the amount of this chemical in the stratosphere, measured before and after Pinatubo's eruption in 1991, was found to be largely unchanged.
But the Limbaughites STILL would rather believe the bloated bigot because "he speaks for us conservatives" - LOL!
KM | 4:10 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
Wasn't it Time magazine, back in the 70's that predicted a new ice
age? This prediction was done by scientists. Now forward 30 years and same
scentists are saying that we should be concerned by global warming?
We can't even trust the scientist/climatologists that predict the weather for next week. Why should we trust them to predict that the earth is going to burn up?
Then somebody mentioned a 'nobel prize' winning scientist. Nobel is synonymous with political agenda. Just ask Al Gore or Yassir Arafat. Who cares!
We can't even trust the scientist/climatologists that predict the weather for next week. Why should we trust them to predict that the earth is going to burn up?
Then somebody mentioned a 'nobel prize' winning scientist. Nobel is synonymous with political agenda. Just ask Al Gore or Yassir Arafat. Who cares!
Book of Revelation? | 4:20 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
You guys are honestly using the incredibly strange things mentioned in
Revelation to somehow tie into global warming?
Sad.....(shakes head).
Sad.....(shakes head).
@ 4:01 posting | 4:53 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
This guy has agonizingly long to make today will take even longer next year. Or
that the graduating following year. Unrestrained growth = overpopulation and
overpopulation means more and more problems.
Must be one of those Utahns that comes from one of those families with 7.2 children.
Must be one of those Utahns that comes from one of those families with 7.2 children.
Book of Revelation | 4:57 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
Oh yeah. The book of Revelation. Complete with 666 and the seven-headed Gog and
Magog ... on and on.
Why people rely on the dreams of Thomas as scientific fact is beyond me.
LOL!
Why people rely on the dreams of Thomas as scientific fact is beyond me.
LOL!
Fact vs Political Propaganda | 5:22 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
What "environmental wackos . . . really want to do is attack our way of
life" in the effort to limit CFC's. "Their primary enemy:
capitalism." - Rush Limbaugh
SCIENTIFIC FACT:
Limbaugh ignores the fact that the conservative Reagan administration signed onto the Montreal Protocol, the international agreement to restrict CFC's, and that crucial support for the measure came from some of the largest manufacturers of these
chemicals, who, like Ronald Reagan, are hardly enemies of capitalism. Although many of these corporations initially resisted action when the ozone problem was discovered, Dupont, Allied Signal, and other domestic producers of CFC's have long favored strong restrictions concerning their production and use. Indeed, Dupont proposed a global ban of CFC's before European or United
States governments did.
Total political propaganda from Limbaugh and his legions of fools eat it up because: "He is the only one who speaks for us."
LOL!
SCIENTIFIC FACT:
Limbaugh ignores the fact that the conservative Reagan administration signed onto the Montreal Protocol, the international agreement to restrict CFC's, and that crucial support for the measure came from some of the largest manufacturers of these
chemicals, who, like Ronald Reagan, are hardly enemies of capitalism. Although many of these corporations initially resisted action when the ozone problem was discovered, Dupont, Allied Signal, and other domestic producers of CFC's have long favored strong restrictions concerning their production and use. Indeed, Dupont proposed a global ban of CFC's before European or United
States governments did.
Total political propaganda from Limbaugh and his legions of fools eat it up because: "He is the only one who speaks for us."
LOL!
RE: this is where they.. | 6:32 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
How did they do those tests 10000 years ago?
I question the validity of those tests.
I question the validity of those tests.
GTO | 9:24 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
This is why I know CO2 emissions from my car (or yours) does not cause global
warming! In the 4th grade, I learned about photosynthesis! YES! It is an amazing
thing! Plants take CO2 out of the atmosphere and produce O2 and the nasty,
dirty, polluting carbon molecule is synthesized in a long chain we call sucrose
(sugar)! If the concentration of CO2 increases, so does the rate of
photosynthesis (Scientific fact). Self regulating! Get it? The earth cleans
itself! Honest liberals, it really does! Amazing thing God created isn't
it?
shecky | 10:08 p.m. Jan. 8, 2009
Add another to the list of locals who not only do not understand the scientific
basis for climate change, but do not want to understand it. Where do we get all
of these experts?
Anonymous | 8:04 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
It boggles my mind when people imply that global warming scientists have not
accounted for the cyclical nature of the cooling and warming of the earth! Dear
letter writer, and others who buy into his way of thinking, please pay attention
to the arguments made by TOP scientists who say global warming is a reality.
Anonymous | 8:25 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Unfortunately we have those who would rather do nothing or even admit there is
any problem, believing God will take care of everything for them.
Anonymous | 9:47 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
In doing nothing - one becomes part of the problem
Shoveling global warming | 11:23 a.m. Jan. 9, 2009
So far this year I have shoveled about two feet of global warming off my
driveway and sidewalk. Last year it was worse. Could we please have a complete
set of figures (climatic data) for the last fifty years in our own neck of the
woods? That would be a good place to start.
Most scientists surely don't have any more knowledge about this subject than the rest of us. Surely it belongs only to a specific branch or restricted branches of science, such as climatology. Then again Al Gore isn't a scientist, and many British scientists are global warming sceptics.
What I believe we are seeing is indeed "climate change", unusual patterns of climate (not in itself new but certainly interesting). Long term changes are fascinating but have certainly not always corresponded with industrialisation. The jury is still out so far as true science is concerned or for all those who reason 'scientifically', based on all the evidence.
Most scientists surely don't have any more knowledge about this subject than the rest of us. Surely it belongs only to a specific branch or restricted branches of science, such as climatology. Then again Al Gore isn't a scientist, and many British scientists are global warming sceptics.
What I believe we are seeing is indeed "climate change", unusual patterns of climate (not in itself new but certainly interesting). Long term changes are fascinating but have certainly not always corresponded with industrialisation. The jury is still out so far as true science is concerned or for all those who reason 'scientifically', based on all the evidence.
re: shoveling snow | 1:15 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
I am by no means an expert on global warming, but, unlike some of you on these
posts, I read. It seems from what I have read that geographicly concentrated
research and experiments would produce very little real evidence for the effects
of global warming. Since most scientists have only noticed one to two degree
changes. These changes in and of themselves would have very little noticable
impact on the local climate. But what most scientists believe to be the major
problem, is the effect that warming tempatures will have on ocean curents. A
change in the ocean currents would have a dramatic effect on the the climate and
tempatures in certain geographic locations, causing Britian to freeze over for
example.
Re: Yes arrogant | 1:55 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
A man who thinks a single event or even accumulated events can trump, control
or change our bodies is arrogant. Our bodies were created by God in His image.
I'm NOT saying we should do nothing to protect our bodies. We should do EVERYTHING we can to protect them. It's part of our responsibility. But if you think you can change our bodies or control our health, you are just buying a bag of political dogma.
Look at those politicians, trying to ban smoking in public places and stop the spraying of DDT. Some even think asbestos and radiation cause cancer. Look at all of those body lovers promote the taking of vitamins and exercise. They just don't have any faith in nature as created by God. Arrogant health nuts!
I'm NOT saying we should do nothing to protect our bodies. We should do EVERYTHING we can to protect them. It's part of our responsibility. But if you think you can change our bodies or control our health, you are just buying a bag of political dogma.
Look at those politicians, trying to ban smoking in public places and stop the spraying of DDT. Some even think asbestos and radiation cause cancer. Look at all of those body lovers promote the taking of vitamins and exercise. They just don't have any faith in nature as created by God. Arrogant health nuts!
Anonymous | 3:09 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Many of the greatest discoveries of our times will be made by those who, in
addition to listening to their hearts and to each other, listen to the rest of
the kingdom of life: to the trees, birds, insects, fishes, worms, algae and
skies; to all consciousness that dwells on this planet; to all of life, not
man's fragmentary awareness alone.
Listening to worms | 4:57 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
I listened to a worm once but it said nothing. I listened to two worms in case
they might have a conversation. Then I learned that worms do not have tongues,
lips or vocal cords.
S L C S K P | 6:26 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
Not to conflate too many topics in one post, but let's haul out the
gay-marriage issue and compare the arguments against allowing it (and those
making those arguments) with the arguments against accepting global warming:
We can't allow gay marriage because of all the unforeseen consequences - never mind what the current studies say, never mind the accepted science on why people are gay; this is a slippery slope that we can't afford to go down because society as we know it will unravel completely.
On the other hand, we can't accept the science on global warming because they're just trying to scare us with unforeseen consequences. Science can't articulate the relationships between human activity and climate change, or explain clearly enough what the full consequences of global warming will be. It's just these wooly arguments that aren't sufficiently persuasive, somehow.
So in one corner (opposing gay marriage), the slippery-slope argument is all they have. In the other corner (global warming) they reject any changes in energy policy or in human economic activity because they don't buy the slippery-slope arguments.
My apologies in advance if I assume incorrectly that most of these are the same people.
We can't allow gay marriage because of all the unforeseen consequences - never mind what the current studies say, never mind the accepted science on why people are gay; this is a slippery slope that we can't afford to go down because society as we know it will unravel completely.
On the other hand, we can't accept the science on global warming because they're just trying to scare us with unforeseen consequences. Science can't articulate the relationships between human activity and climate change, or explain clearly enough what the full consequences of global warming will be. It's just these wooly arguments that aren't sufficiently persuasive, somehow.
So in one corner (opposing gay marriage), the slippery-slope argument is all they have. In the other corner (global warming) they reject any changes in energy policy or in human economic activity because they don't buy the slippery-slope arguments.
My apologies in advance if I assume incorrectly that most of these are the same people.
Real Science | 7:24 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
I am a scientist and I did some research that made a Nobel Prize winning type of
discovery (hey, if Al Gore can get the prize for what he did, why not me?).
I caught a grasshopper and set it down on a flat surface. I monitored the temperature and external controllables were constant in my experiment. I said, "jump grasshopper, jump" and it jumped 12 ft. I pulled off one of it's legs and repeated the command. The grasshopper only jumped 8 feet with 5 legs. I continued the process, each time, I would say, "jump grasshopper, jump" and as it's legs got fewer so did it's ablility to jump as far. Finally, the poor grasshopper had no legs left and everytime I said, "jump grasshopper, jump", the grasshopper didn't budge one inch. My startling scientific conclusion; without legs, grasshoppers can not hear! Now I am going to prove scientifically that global warming is man made!
I caught a grasshopper and set it down on a flat surface. I monitored the temperature and external controllables were constant in my experiment. I said, "jump grasshopper, jump" and it jumped 12 ft. I pulled off one of it's legs and repeated the command. The grasshopper only jumped 8 feet with 5 legs. I continued the process, each time, I would say, "jump grasshopper, jump" and as it's legs got fewer so did it's ablility to jump as far. Finally, the poor grasshopper had no legs left and everytime I said, "jump grasshopper, jump", the grasshopper didn't budge one inch. My startling scientific conclusion; without legs, grasshoppers can not hear! Now I am going to prove scientifically that global warming is man made!
Global warming in Europe | 11:26 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009
People are dying (freezing) in Europe now from record cold "global
warming".
Kevin Olson | 4:10 p.m. Jan. 12, 2009
What did one bug say to the other bug?
Nothing, bugs can't talk.
Nothing, bugs can't talk.
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