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A jab about gay marriage.
Weird, awkward, outward rant about something else.
SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS.
Also, remember, the Deseret News is owned by the LDS church, any surprises then on their pick of the top story?? ;)
I really disagree with steven w. Your post is the one full of criticisms. Just because some people don't like this poorly-drafted article doesn't mean they don't deserve to live. Your post (and alas, mine as well) is full of hypocrisy: criticizing others for criticizing. Let's all play nicer.
The LDS Church DID do something wrong as well as controversial regarding gay marriage!
Wake up and smell the civil rights!
And remember, don't let the door hit you in the ... when you leave.
And I'd like to say thanks to Skippy. It's an article in a religiously-owned newspaper, not the end of the world. The press is free to write anything they want on their paper. We weren't forced to read it.
I have dual homepage tabs - the Deseret News & the NY Times...
...and I can just as easily watch BBOC World as my local news-at-nine on TV...
If you have internet access sufficient to leave comments in a forum like this, you can get your news from whomever whenever you want!
Were YOU around to verify that they DID exist?
Didn't think so.
Hypocrite.
CA voter, you are kidding, right? From your lack of literary skills I assume you are uneducated, so I would forgive you your lack of argumentative skills.
But I can't. In other words, CA voter, were YOU there to verify their existence?
You actually vote?
What is your problem? Who are you? Simpson?
OK, now that we are all introduced, what is your point?
Mark's (and my) point is that it is stupid to base public policy on myths, fables, and fiction. It is even MORE stupid as well as unethical to use the political machine to force others to conform to YOUR myths, fables, and fiction IN WHICH THEY DO NOT BELIEVE!
If religious zealots continue to do this they can expect revolution and severe opposition by those whom they victimize with their evangelical zeal!
We will not bow to YOUR GODS!
I know -- Top 10 story: Lex and Mark's cynicism is a better basis for public policy that honesty and decency!
Hmmmm . . . doesn't seem to be selling.
I frankly don't care who you are. You're probably a myth anyway, made up by a bored Mormon homemaker. Like Twilight.
I am looking forward to your "Revolution and Severe Opposition."
Does it have a beat? Can we dance to it?
I strongly and tangibly support higher education. But education does not equal intelligence. Those who are 'technically' educated know that had you looked to your right or left, this was always apparent.
To the 'preachers': Let them worship how, where, or what they may; even an absence of worship. So they don't believe with you, big deal. Stand up for your own, and do so adhering to your own proclaimed standards, without demeaning. You won't change anybody's mind on these boards.
To the faith bashers: Are you as hateful and socially repugnant in public as you are behind your keyboards? If so, I feel for your neighbors, families, employers, passers-by, etc. You won't change anybody's mind on these boards, and stirring the pot gives your point of view an unenlightened flavor. Shameful, really.
To the even-tempered, well-adjusted, opinion-givers: isn't it interesting to imagine illuminated faces of some of these ranters? Keep your interesting points of view coming; I enjoy your comments and stepping out of my perspective to see yours.
Aaaahhh. Now don't I feel better about myself for this post? No, I'm not that superficial.
My initial comment was aimed at a person that was basing an argument for public policy concerning gays on Adam and Eve.
I responded by stating that the myth of Adam and Eve is, like other myths, false, and, ultimately, not something that public policy should be based on.
It is unfortunate that you feel any views that differ with your believes is an attack on, what I assume is, your church.
It is also very telling the hate that has been spewed by some of the posters in regards to my post.
If marriage is not a right, what is it? On what basis do heterosexual couples marry? Do they have the "right" to marry? Do they have the "privilege" to marry? Do they have the right/privilege/opportunity to CHOOSE who they want to marry?
Are you saying that, because the State issues marriage licenses, marriage is NOT a "right"? The State issues licenses for beauticians to cut your hair. Does that mean they do not have a "right" to cut hair? The State issues licenses for building your house. Does that mean you don't have the "right" to build a home?
You can play semantic games all night long, but the reality is that you are restricting other people's actions based on YOUR beliefs. That should ONLY be allowed by law in a free society IF their actions endanger YOU. That is why the State licenses drivers of dangerous automobiles. That is why the State licenses beauticians, restaurants, and other activities. Because those activities put others at risk of loss of life and property (auto accidents, food poisoning, hair).
But two gay people getting married does NOT place anyone else's life or property at risk! If it does, show it!
Marriage in the U.S. is a civil right, guaranteed by the Constitution, otherwise the government could outlaw marriage altogether. Where religion is concerned, every religious organization may allow or deny its members that privilege under its tenets.
Marriage, then, is either recognized by the government legally or by a religious organization if performed under their form of laws.
If the gays want such a union, they must obtain it under the Constitution or religious tenet. If they cannot, then they must observe those laws or be destructive towards them.
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