Comments about ‘Group countering Prop. 8 backers' ad’

I saw the tape of that lady just trying to make a statement for the TV reporter. The difference between you and I is that if I were part of the gay movement I would have been one the first to condemn the actions of the crowd, not justify it and name call those who brought it into question.

You may want to read Sir Elton John's response to the passage of Prop. 8. I have a lot of respect for that man.

The African-American and Spanish-American voters were the MAJORITY in voting FOR Prop 8. Why all the emphasis on the LDS churches and the temple? OH...I get it...the gay/lesbian group knew their riots/violent acts would not be tolerated in the African-American and Spanish-American communities without some serious consequences. As for RIGHTS the gay/lesbians have rights like any other American citizen. The majority of us however still have the right to define marriage as between a MAN and a WOMAN. Prop 8 PASSED...GET OVER IT!!!

The wails coming from the extremes of both sides of this issue are both deafening and sickening. Our country is thankfully a very moderate and reasonable majority that have to put up with the hatred, venom, and idiocy of the extremes on almost every issue.

Blessed is he that is persuecuted for my names sake! Keep bringing us the blessings gays. We will follow the lord till the end!

As a Californian who voted Yes on Prop 8 I have not taken anything from the Homosexual community. In Calfornia we have civil unions which gives gays all the rights of marriage. That they can't file married on their Federal income taxes is not a state issue they need to talk to the Federal government. That they can't demand health insurance for their lover is an individual employer issue. Not all employers provide health insurance to family members.
The claim that marriage is a civil right is wrong, no where in the Bill of Rights is marriage mentioned. They cry that the Church is interfering in a State issue when the truth is its the State interfering in a Church issue. That the Calfornia Homosexual community wants to impose its issues on the rest of the Nation is wrong. The court was wrong to over turn what the voters wanted and to make law from the bench. They gave rights to people based on their (the court's) views not on the law. Gays can still vote, own property, move where they want, live where they want, visit ill lovers in the hospital, and inherit. They lost nothing.

MMM was inspired by god through Brigham Young. It happened so leave it alone! Prop 8 was also inspired by god, So now you need to live with it!

I thought I would take to opportunity to respond to you, since you take so much pride in responding to specific bloggers. Bobd, you sound like you have some intellect, almost like you might be half intelligent. It is the other half that I have a concern with.

You are absolutely correct in your comment that this is NOT a democracy that we live in, it IS a republic with a constitution to protect the rights of the citizens. I am still on board with you so far, but the difference is this, marriage is not a "right" protected under such constitution. Gays and Lesbians have every "right" that I do, and I do not have any more "rights" than they do. Just because I choose to keep the definition of "marriage" being between a man and woman, does not constitute the violation of someones "rights". Again, "marriage" is not a "right" given or taken by the constitution.

The problem is that pro-gay and lesbian proponents are trying to justify and rationalize that "marriage" is a "rights" issue, which it is not. "Marriage" is a union of a man and woman, has been the definition for ever!! (continued)

Oh Boy,
I'm not rationalizing anything. The old lady was not beat up. Her little "cross" was taken and stomped on and her "bodyguards" moved her out of the way. That is not getting beat up. You are sensationalizing it to try and justify your hatred of homosexuals enmass.

Homosexuality is a Sin according to the Bible teachings. Pure and simple. The Church of Jesus Christ will not and CANNOT condone it in any way. Especially as it threatens the status of Marriage.

How can the church condone homosexuality? The head of the church made is clear in the bible. It is a SIN. Human Rights are always clear. You have the right to obey or disobey God. That is Human Rights.

You do not, however, have the right to accept or reject the consequences of your choices. Man can say homosexuality is natural, or you have no choice. Science can say the same. BUT, God is the ultimate source of truth, and stretch it, twist it, gnash your teeth, it makes no difference. God will not change His laws based on His children's whining and complaining. He said it was a sin.

I'm not hobophobic, but I abhore homosexuality for what it it...destructive and devisive and against God's laws. As to the PERSON, I care for you, and sympathize, but as any other sinner, we must repent and change OUR ways to fit GOD's ways. Or not be with Him. That's it.

You anti-mormon bigots are getting more clever. First, Released documents for LDS Church archives reveal that Brigham Young heard about the potential of MMM on Sept. 11, 1857 (the day it happened) and told the settlers to let the wagon-train pass unharmed.

Second, It was leaders in the Catholic Church in California that asked the LDS leadership for help on Prop 8. The idea was to protect the state from interferring with religon. Thankfully it passed. (See Elaine's comments)

Re: To Bobd
Thanks for your concern for my intillect, I'll manage just fine without your critique of such though.

Marriage in itself is not a right, but the religious right have turned it into such. When a $50 fee for a straight couple provides them with roughly 1500 legal priviliges that homosexuals either will never see, or cannot experience without putting up an exponentially greater amount of money in the forms of legal fees and whatnot, it becomes a right.

In a truly objective move, the legal right of performing marriage ceremonies by religious institutions should be revoked by the state and the state should be the only issuer of marriage licenses. Then all citizens can hold the same legal standing and legal rights, and churches can do whatever they feel like doing within their own buildings. But a legislation like that would never pass because the religious right is simple minded and refuses to accept change that could be percieved as a loss of power and authority in the political process; something they are not supposed to have in our country in the first place given the first ammendment of our constitution.

Yes Bobd, there is more, you are not getting off that easy my friend.

My dear mother, taught me a valuable lesson years ago. She said I was never to complain about a problem, unless I brought to the complaining table a solution to the problem. Well I see nobody bringing solutions to the table, so let me go first!

The stated problem is the justification and rationalization that the gay and lesbian team say "marriage" is a "right" that is being deprived from them. The proposed solution is this, make up your own definition for your own kind of union(s). Don't be so bent on trying to re-define the current definition of "marriage", use the creativeness that gays and lesbians have been noted for and be front runners, innovators, bring us a new word that justly describes the unions between a man and a man, or a woman and a woman. Heck, i see the opportunity to create two new words and take all the credit for doing such.

I guess this "solution" is just to easy, just like the people in the old testament, that were told to bath three times in the river to be cleansed.

"Proposition 8 was just another example of how the religious are forcing their beliefs on others through legislation, policies, the courts, as well as various forms of jihad and terrorism!"

Really? You're kidding right? Actually, you have it totally backwards. Proposition 8 was a backlash against a group of people who "are forcing their beliefs on others through legislation, policies, the courts, as well as various forms of jihad and terrorism!"

Please! Tell me which of these acts haven't occurred in the fallacious name of "equality" by those who ramrod society with the radical homosexual agenda? Fact is, you can't!

Re: Re: Bobd 11:03 - internet froze and the posting didn't go through I think -

I'm not justifying anything, I'm also not excusing the group for their actions, but I will say calling it "beating up an old lady" is grossly overembellishing their actions. They were wrong, and so was the old lady for provoking them; she knew exactly what was going to happen (as can be seen in her deliberate use of "bodyguards"). If a KKK rally walked into a southern baptist church in the middle of the sermon and began chanting racist comments what do you think would happen? Who is then guilty for the aftermath? Both are, and neither is a legitimate source of evidence for the ignorance or hatred of the other.

Re: Re: Kaley 12:29 - It's nice to see the mormons trying to use the term 'bigots' for another group, it's just too bad it doesn't stick as well when they commit so many bigoted acts. If Hitler told the SS to take it easy on the Jews after his hundredth fiery speach would he be as innocent as you profess B.Y. is if they went through with the murder of the Jews after all?

Truth:
That's great, we all know this, even those that voted no on proposition 8, but those of us that have thought this through and not blindly followed the prophet reallize that abstinence and apathy to this proposition was the right thing to do. Gay marriage has nothing to do with my ability to practice my free agency, but it has everything to do with religious groups preventing others from doing the same.

It would be an interesting thing to watch God pronouncing His verdict on those who, under any banner, deliberately attack another. Maybe I'll get to see it. In any event, the perpetrators will!

Bobd, did you watch the video of the old woman and her cross? I would guess not or you would realize that despite my opposition to her personal views, she had EVERY reason to fear for her life as did the reporter interviewing her. She was clearly being tussled or legally (assault and battered) and as the after Christmas Walmart sale showed us, one could die from such behavior. Please quit pretending that anti-religious bigotry is acceptable even when they oppose what you personally hold dear as your own views. Anti-gay assault and battery is wrong and anti-religious battery is equally unacceptable EVEN if they are opposing your views. Wrong is wrong.

Truth:

Read the Newsweek article about the Bible and gay marriage, I believe it's this week's issue. You can Google it. Sure, I could pick-and-choose parts of the Bible to support my position too. Did you know that Jesus specifically condemned divorce, yet never said anything about homosexuality?

How about when Abraham slept with his servant when he found out that Sarah was infertile? The apostle Paul said, "A wife must not separate from her husband." Want to quote Leviticus? Have you read Leviticus in its entirety or just the couple of verses which mention homosexuality? Hope you don't consume any shell fish.

P.S. Leviticus is actually a book of civil laws for the people at the time--the same people who thought the world was flat and the sun revolved around the earth.

Re: To Bobd, continued,
You don't need to let me off of anything, I'm not on the hook. When your mother taught you that, did she explain what it meant? Because I see you providing no solution, just like the church. The LDS church claimed they wanted gays to have equal treatment under the law, but since proposition 8 has passed they have been silent on every legal process taking place even within their own state. The only thing they seem to care about is the praise they are getting from the organizations that considered them hethens a few months ago.

Proposition 8 in particular, as it requires a drastic change in the californian constitution that lists homosexuals as a protected class, completely ignored the legal rammifications. It was a simple "gays bad, marriage good" train of thought. The LDS church took a selfish approach of 'protect our beliefs over all others, the results be darned'. They (and the rest of the evangelicals that supported this since everyone thinks we're just picking on the LDS) did not provide a solution, they caused the problem.

How is a homosexual getting married forcing one's beliefs upon you? How does that force you to believe anything? How is using the court system, which is a legitimate part of our government, a specific realm of the checks and balances to power, forcing beliefs on others?

And where are the gays conducting Jihad? I wasn't aware they were muslim.

Fact is you can't answer those questions without continuing to expose your ignorance on the issue.