Comments about ‘Group countering Prop. 8 backers' ad’

It was interesting how quickly the LDS Church Newsroom issued/posted a statement thanking the No Mob Veto attack ad from the Beckett Fund as if it was some global surge of support from mainstream religions. In essence the NMV ad was a fund raising pitch from ultra right wing activists capitalizing on the post Prop 8 chaos. I was surprised as the LDS Church is usually super cautious before going public, and all I could think was "do the Church know who these people are?".

The original NMV ad was not cosigned by any mainstream denominations or credible religious institutions, but by political pundits like William Donohue, and conservative think tanks like the Institute for Global Engagement. My hypothesis is that the ad was designed to push Becketts web traffic and capture contact information via their online petition.

The NMV paid advertisement was full of inflammatory rhetoric and was patently untruthful, and I'm surprised the LDS Church wanted to be publicly linked to its message or the hateful senders.

Two of my ancestors were killed at Haun's Mill in Missouri. Many others lost their homes and jobs and were driven out of Illinois in the winter. Yet I have never been taught to hate or even be angry at these actions. I was taught to forgive.

When Prop. 8 passed no one's right to live with who they want was taken away. No one's jobs was taken away as a result. No one's life was threatened. No one lost their home. But from the anti Prop. 8 extremists there has been one overriding cry "REVENGE!".

Do you really realize how you are being perceived?

I think your lying. If you didn't care at all you wouldn't have read the article. In fact I will bet your very intrigued with it all. You read the article spent some time to write a comment. Yea, you sound very disinterested.

The church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints is just that. The church of Jesus Christ. It is his church. It's leaders receive revelation from God on how to direct the church. When the leaders say to support proposition 8 it is because God told them to say that through revelation. If people have a problem with that. They have a problem with God and that is between them and God.

"Do you really realize how you are being perceived? "


Probably like those who took revenge at Mountain Meadows. Not very Christlike on eithers part.

Yep, all the general authorities had a revelation to support prop 8. That is the way the church works. God is our leader and tells us what to do. So some of you need to get a grip out there and open your blind eyes, and have a perfect day in doing so. God loves you all!

speedy response : Does the scripture " do good to those that hate you and dispitfully use you come to mind. there is some good in all but not all are good. Unlike the ACLU, who only comes to the aid of those that they deem worthy of their support, at least the NMV came to stand with someone that they don't agree with but felt a need to defend simply on the principle that ALL religion needs to be defended for it to remain free.

Ah, yes. Mountain Meadows. The one piece of Mormon history you can count on in every comments section.

Thank You for making my point! Those who were involved in that were excommunicated from the church and the ring leader received the death penalty according to the law.

How are you responding to the church vandals, those who beat up the little old lady on TV and the other demonstrators at the temples who yelled out violent threats against those who were in the temple grounds?

"Truth Wins Out" is affiliated with the Human Rights Campaign; which I experience as being no more than a Gay KKK. It is a mypoic special interest group with no ability to temper its own hypocrisy and extremism.
As a homosexual; neither organization (HRC/KKK)represents me.

Why aren't the conservative gays speaking up & silencing the radical gay element. Your silence mirrors the inaction of peaseful Muslems while their radical faction creates terriorist acts. I have so many gay friends for whom I have the greatest. Where are you? Why do you stand by & allow your image to destroyed by these radical elements! We have law that can be changed ONLY by use of a peaceful process. The radicals have set you back decades -- how sad you let the gay radical minority torpedo your cause! The few gay radicals have become your "Mulas" & have silenced your non-radical but forward moving & productive efforts!

Re: Re: To Reed

When a little old lady actually gets beat up you might have some leverage in your commentary. She put herself in a situation just so people like you could overembelish the actions of an emotionally charged to push an overzealous and ignorant argument.

To those of you who continually question he who created us all, save it for the time when you WILL have an opportunity to ask him how he can be so closed minded and bigoted. Should be interesting.

The biggest problem in the world today is NOT oppression of religious peoples. The biggest problem in the world today is the tyranny of the religious peoples over others -- those who believe differently or those who do not believe at all!

Proposition 8 was just another example of how the religious are forcing their beliefs on others through legislation, policies, the courts, as well as various forms of jihad and terrorism!

Richard Dawkins is right, the religious are "enemies of reason" and "the root of all evil". God IS a delusion, and the "Watchmaker truly is blind!

Christopher Hitchens is also right, god is NOT Great! Religion poisons everything!

There are many intellectual atheists who proudly call themselves LDS and observe LDS rites, perhaps out of loyalty to family and friends, but also because of a confused and confusing willingness to label as 'religion' the pantheistic reverence which many share with its most distinguished exponent, Albert Einstein. Daniel Dennett was right about these people. They don't really believe, but they 'believe in belief'.

As religion is the SOURCE of oppression, it does not deserve to be kept "free". The freedom to deceive and tyrannize is not freedom.

Mountain Meadow, you are kidding me?! I actually read "no man knows my history" by Fawn Brodie and a number of other books and I, an anti-mormon (or so I am referred to by others) understand why MMM occurred. Terrorize a group of people time and time again (with bodies left in the wake), threaten them with an Army and then sit by and pretend to act shocked when that group commits extreme and horrific actions. Then, of course blame the leader though there is no evidence that suggests he had anything to do with the event. Sorry, as sad as MMM is as an event, it is not surprising. We keep attacking other countries and you don't think they are going to respond? Oh wait, they have unless you haven't heard of Mumbai which targeted Whites in an effort to kill Americans or bombings in Iraq.

It remains that Mormons ARE being attacked and that many people are ignoring those hate crimes because Mormons aren't in the popular crowd. That shouldn't be acceptable in the America in which I was raised just as hate crimes against Gays should also not be acceptable.

More LDS double speech. No one wants vandalism. Every groups has extremist. The same people who tell you that Brigham Young knew nothing of Mountain Meadows wants to blame very protester for a few vandals. This is why Mormons seems to have values of convenience. You have one prophet telling the world that monogamy ruins nations and today Mormons are for monogamy. Is there is sound foundation in Mormon vales besides lying for the lord?

One of the proudest moments in early American history was the Boston Tea Party. We teach it with honor in our schools in history class.

While I don't support the vandalism of churches or anything else, the reality is that this country was formed by people looking for freedom from opression...abiet religion, politics or taxation!!!!

Gays seeking to be treated as equals are just the latest freedom fighter to take up the cause for equality and justice.

For those of you that preach from a religious stand point, your remarks (the mean and spiteful ones) really define what kind of a person you are. You speak for supporting your religion that teaches Christ's love, but your comments and attitude clearly demonstrate that you don't really either have a clue what Christ's love is about, or you don't recognize that you do more to damage your religion than your opponets do. Spew disregard for human equality but go ahead and send those missionaries. It is Irony at it's best.

At the same time...Gay's need to respect the difference of opinion that religions have.

SPEAK UP - The conservatives have spoken up, they're taking it to court as it should be. Just because the media is not interested in listening to anything that does not boost their ratings does not make it any less valid.

Re Bobd | 10:11 a.m.

"When a little old lady actually gets beat up you might have some leverage in your commentary. She put herself in a situation just so people like you could overembelish the actions of an emotionally charged to push an overzealous and ignorant argument. "

You are rationalizing beating up on an old woman?

You embarrass me.

re: SPEAK UP | 10:02 a.m.
I am trying: but I feel like a single raindrop in the pacific ocean

Is incest a civil right? Afterall, if the father loves his daughter... or a brother his brother.... they should be able to marry shouldn't they?