Comments about ‘Group countering Prop. 8 backers' ad’

1. What would it take to stop your behavior of heterosexuality, assuming you are such? That is what you are asking of homosexuals.
2. How easy would it be for you to stop your behavior of posting all over D.N.?
3. How easy would it be to stop your behavior of judgment?
4. We all have sins, so as long as stores continue to offer shrimp and I continue to partake, I will not judge someone that behaves in a homosexual manner.
5. FYI if gender isn't clear, why would you assume that sexuality is clear? There are XY females able to reproduce despite the fact that Xy is considered male. God also made hermaphrodites (distinct from transsexuals) and gender neutral (without any sex organs.) Again gender isn't always clear so why assume that sexuality should be clear or even bad according to the Almighty? I know, see #3.

Also interested to know how #5 relates to the Family Proclamation gender is essential statement......

No rights were taken away since since you have the same rights and privledges as everyone else and actually marriage is a priviledge and not a right. No one is interfering in your religious beliefs by being against gay marriage. Mark Peterson wasn't the prophet and being against gay marriage isn't contary to the scriptures. This year's priesthood manual says follow the living prophet. Being against same sex marriage is the doctrine of the scriptures. Same sex marriage was never intended to be a right or privledge by our founders or anybody else.

This year's priesthood manual: Brigham Young "took the stand and he took the Bible, and laid it down; he took the Book of Mormon, and laid it down; and he took the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, and laid it down before him, and he said: 'There is the written word of God to us, concerning the work of God from the beginning of the world, almost, to our day. And now,'said he,'when compared with the living oracles those books are nothing to me: those books do not convey the word of God direct to us now, as do the words of a Prophet". "I would rather have the living oracles than all the writing in the books." Joseph Smith said "Brother Brigham has told you the word of the Lord, and he has told you the truth."
You people say you are LDS members and quote scriptutes, but you think you know more than the Prophet and God about same sex marriage. Wrong again!
More Joseph Smith,"There have always been, in every age of the church, those who have been opposed to the principles of virtue,...followed principles of unrighteousness, and have been enemies of truth" Sound familar?

"Same-gender marriage will lock people in a sinful relationship."

The fact that people have tolerated your religion seems to have gone to your head. As far as I'm concerned, you're a heretic following a false religion, and you will suffer the consequences in the afterlife. Don't you presume to tell me what is sinful; you have no basis whatsoever to judge that.

"The less locked into a same-sex relationship the easier to stop the bahvior it is for people."

That is about the most ridiculous theory I have heard. When will you people understand that we have no intention of "stopping the behavior"? You are the sinner, not me. You fail to live according to the word of Christ, no me.

"What we want is people to stop homosexual behavior, and so we want a system that makes that most likely.

In different words, you want to create an Iran-style theocracy in America. Believe me, it is not going to happen. If you persist in trying to impose your rules on others, all you are doing is eroding the tolerance that Mormons have started to enjoy over the last century.

Way to ignore the rest of the quotes that convey the same thought, several of which are from the Prophet himself at the specific times, and the rest are from scripture.

The Mark E. Peterson quote was written by him in his book, but attributed to Joseph Fielding Smith, who was a prophet.

I wasn't aware that the restoration was moving so quickly as to absolve such a doctrinal issue of Divine Scripture vs. Prophet Speech. So by your argument, if President Monson stated today that the Church should wage war on each and every non-member because he has recieved divine inspiration, it would outweigh every ounce of scripture that says otherwise?

Regardless of your stance on the sinful nature of homosexuality, the scriptures and the statements of the founding prophets of our church (and many since) do validate abstaining from such acts as supporting proposition 8.

Alex | 5:03 p.m. Dec. 11, 2008 said -
Eliot:
"Same-Sex marriage does not offend me or threaten my personal values, so I am ONE Mormon who will not judge you, I don't care who you love, all I care is that you do love. I wish I could say the same about many of our LDS brothers and sisters. "

Pardon us for not being as broad-minded as thou. Honestly, I think you are being a little naive about the effect a fundamental change in definition of marriage can make in the long run.

LDS - Please tell us how your freedom will be endangered by allowing civil same-sex marriage. You may want to first Google Morris Thurston's (BYU grad and part time instructor & Harvard law grad) refututation of 'Six Consequences the Coalition Has Identified if Proposition 8 Fails' .

Bad Behavior | 5:30 p.m. Dec. 11, 2008 said -
Homosexuality is a behavior driven lifestyle; nothing more, nothing less. Yes, there may be physiological factors that influence the behavior, but that doesn't mean it's still not a behavior. And that is the great lie: "You're trampling my rights by not letting me behave this way!" Wow! What if I wanted to run around hitting people with a tire iron?

LDS - HAHAHAHA you gotta be kidding. We LDS told the Feds, "You're trampling my rights by not letting me behave this way!" when we had polygamy. Your tireiron example is also laughable since in it you describe physically harming others. No one is objectively harmed by gays having the right to marry. Keep your day job.

Nothing validates not following our current prophet in the LDS church. Many have come before you teaching false doctrine and your source has always been the same. The result will always be the same. I'll pray for you. Same sex marriage is wrong and so are you.

You probably should reread your scriptures and your church doctrine if you truly believe that.

again please stop with the blatant lies. non of what you said is supported by the facts you can check for yourself at the American psychological societies website and see the facts for yourself. Your lies not only give you no credibility they actually hurt people.

Many claim that civil unions provide the all the same rights as marriage. That is not true.

Spousal testimonial privilege and spousal confidences privilege apply only to spouses.

Spousal testimonial privilege is based on the self-incrimination clause of the 5th Amendment. Not so long ago, married women were considered non-existent outside of their husbands - forcing a women to testify against her husband was therefore considered the same as the husband testifying against himself. The privilege against self-incrimination is the only privilege expressly protected by the Constitution.

The spousal confidences privilege is based on the right to privacy. If, after a marriage ended, ex-spouses could be compelled to testify against the other, there would be little emotional intimacy in marriages. Indeed, the very foundation of marriage itself would be weakened.

Spousal testimonial privilege and spousal confidences privilege are two rights that apply only to married couples - civil unions do not convey these - no legal remedy other than marriage can convey them.

Civil unions are not equal to marriage.

The California Supreme Court determined that the California State Constitution gave gays the RIGHT to marry.

Proposition 8 took that RIGHT away.

Now you all know what RIGHT a straight couple has that a gay couple doesn't.
Now you all know what RIGHT gay couples lost when Amendment 8 was passed.
Now you all know why gay individuals are protesting about their RIGHTS.

I thought about writing a response to the latest "what does biology have to do with gay marriage" comment, but I decided not to. It's been fun arguing with you all, but I'm tired of how this thing goes around in circles. Nobody's going to convince anybody of anything here, anyway.

All I really have to say now is that however this gay marriage thing ends up, I hope we can all agree to live and let live, whether or not we agree on anything else. I'll vote my beliefs when given the chance, and I'll be disappointed if the majority (or the judges whose job it is to interpret the Constitution) don't agree with me, but I can live with it. Whatever the outcome, it's not worth hating or attacking or threatening people over.

Peace... I'm out. (Don't worry, you won't have a chance to miss me too much; some other hot-button article will pop up, and I won't be able to resist opening my mouth.)

"I hope we can all agree to live and let live, whether or not we agree on anything else"

That used to be the implicit agreement, but the Prop 8 proponents broke it. It's been brewing for a while, but Prop 8 has demonstrated to many people that we cannot turn a blind eye to the political activities of Mormons and similar groups anymore. I think you people are dangerous and you will stop at nothing to get political power.

Sorry, but you people have crossed a line you shouldn't have crossed. If you want to have a public debate about values and morality, you will get it, and you are on the wrong side of the argument.

Who crossed the line? You must be kidding because even anti prop 8 people are usually not this outragous. After the election is when you guys went beserk. Your side beat up people, intimidated people, vandalized our churches and temples, sent white powder to try and terrorize us and cried and whined like little babies. Morals and values are your weak points because you believe in no standards of behavior. Your side hates God and religion unless churches go along with your twisted ways. You guys are 0 for 30 on this issue in the only thing that counts which is the elections. You guys are dangerous. Homosexuals molest children at a rate many times what heterosexuals do.

"...you believe in no standards of behavior. Your side hates God and religion"

no stereotyping here....

Whoa, Nelly!

I step out of this conversation for TWO COMMENTS and look what happens!

"You people are dangerous and you will stop at nothing to get political power."

"Your side hates God and religion...You guys are dangerous..."

Don't MAKE me step back in here, 'cause I *will* give you a time out! What are you, like 6 years old? (My dad can beat up your dad. Oh yeah, well my mom already beat up your mom! Gimme your lunch money!)

Good grief. I can't believe I actually came back here. Nobody left that's even worth arguing with. Y'all are REALLY on your own now.

"Your side beat up people, intimidated people, vandalized our churches and temples, sent white powder to try and terrorize us"

It seems likely to me that Mormons have exaggerated, staged, and invented these incidents themselves (see the article).

After all, who stands to gain from these incidents? Being able to appear as the aggrieved and threatened minority, however, scores you political points, strengthens the resolve of your followers, and deflects from the hateful and bigoted messages you have been preaching.

This kind of behavior is entirely in character for organizations like yours and consistent with your history and methods.