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Display depicting gay students is back in the Harris Fine Arts Center

Published: Wednesday, Dec. 10 2008 12:11 a.m. MST

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The Rock

Tolerance of vice is no virtue.
Intolerance thereof is no vice.

I am sick and tired of people using my tithing money to promote an agenda that is contrary to the teachings of the church that pays for 66% of his education.

Either support the churches positions or go to another university.

Anonymous

ok, what's for dinner?!

Shame

Only homophobia and bigotry can possibly explain why BYU took down the exhibit in the first place. The fact that they corrected their error only shows that they have a politically savy administration, but it doesn't change the fact that prejudice, discrimination, and bigotry are fundamental to the mindset of BYU and LDS leaders!

Shame on BYU! Shame on the LDS church!

I was there

To Glen,

As a student volunteer, I worked in the BYU Psychology Department/Clinic-sponsored research studies and I can assure you that these electric-shock therapy experiments to try to cure homosexuality DID HAPPEN! I was a volunteer helping out with no less than 3 separate studies, each examining aspects of homosexuality, its origins, and its modifiability. The results of these studies were communicated to Salt Lake and the Brethren, and it is because the results indicated that homosexuality may be inborn and is extremely resistant to the most powerful forms of electro- and chemical- therapies that the Brethren have taken the official stand they have taken. Officially, same sex attraction is NOT a sin! Only homosexual behavior is considered sinful in the Church.

Zadruga Guy

To Shame, what evidence do you have that the explanation for the temporary removal of the exhibit was anything other than the miscommunication stated in the article? If you have any, then state it. If not, then apologize for your slander.

Re: Shame

Lets put your picture up for public viewing and see if you approve! Say what you think, but please think before you say it!

In the exhibit

I have read through most of the comments and I would like to say a few things. I am one of the people pictured in this exhibit. I consider myself gay, but I am not "openly gay" meaning, acting on my attractions and desires. I guess some people call it having same-sex or same-gender attractions. I am also a member of the LDS Church. I participated in this project to break down stereotypes and for people in the BYU and Mormon community to gain a better understanding of the subject. Most of you have no idea what it is like to feel hated, to be made fun of, be alienated, and to feel alone for something that you did not choose and that has been a part of you your whole life. I am not an evil person and I am not a gay rights activist. I am just trying to live my life the best way that I can. I hope that people will look at the exhibit for what it truly is for, understanding. Look into my eyes and see me for who I am.

Re: in the exhibit

I too have read most of the comments on this board and I would like to add my comments. I too struggle with same sex attractions. I was weaker than you and unfortunately, I gave in many times. I finally went to my Bishop and he was very helpful to me. With much prayer and determination I have lived the law of chastity for over two years now. My temptations were strong but have gotten easier over time for me to handle. I chose to be celibate. I am a bit different than you in that I have not been made fun of or hated. I do not find fault with anything anyone has said on here, but just wanted to give my perspective. I think I do understand you and what you are going through. What helps me is that I believe I have this issue (challenge) to bear during my mortal life. Many people I know have spiritual, physical or mental challenges and I admire those who bear them with dignity and honor. I want to do likewise. I have no interest in changing the world or the Gospel. Thanks to all who wrote here.

B

Why are we so quick to pass judgements? I think the artist was trying to make a point and he made it. Not all art is easy to swallow, and apparently this topic is very difficult for many of us.

me

It is like troy was reading my mind.

Sal

I don't understand don't want to understand the Bible anymore. The Bible does talk about tolerance and Love. Never does it say we should tolerate the sin nor does it say that if we don't toelerate sin that we are unloving. Our Savior says, and we accept, that we should love everyone, but sin is unacceptable. The Book of Mormon talks of ALL men (women) being a natural enemy of Christ unless we yield to the enticings of the Holy Spirit. So if you want to claim homosexuality as "natural" that is your choice, but it doesn't mean it is not a sin and therefore must be repented of.

Don't use my money for that


"I am sick and tired of people using my tithing money to promote an agenda that is contrary to the teachings of the church that pays for 66% of his education."

An agenda such as understanding other people? Heaven forbid charitable donations be used for things such as that.

Grimble

Commentor at 9:24am: If you're complaining about how YOUR tithing money is spent, I don't think you quite understand tithing.

Oh Yeah

Of tempests and teapots...

Anonymous

If it is MY tithing money, then I will keep a good grip on it so frauds and charlatans don't deprive me of it!

BYU Honor Code Review

It's time for BYU to sit down and review its Honor Code and to define exactly what sexual behavior is for heterosexual and homosexual students. My understanding is that the church is benevolent to homosexuals who are not "practicing."

I have several gay friends, due to the nature of my work in the theatre arts. I treat them all civilly and appreciate their talents and contributions.

But I don't want my tithing to fund, nor my children to attend, any university that allows homosexuals to advocate for their lifestyle, as this photo display the student's blog do.

Homosexuality is not a civil right. It is a sin. Furthermore, Simon LeVay, the father of "born that way" research has backed off because of the success of reorientation and reparative therapy.

People are born with genetic tendencies to many other detrimental behaviors, such as alcoholism. We do not preach tolerance toward alcoholism. But we do love the alcoholic and desire to help that person. We rehabilitate alcoholism best through Christ-like 12 step programs.

At the very least, BYU should require its gay students to complete a reparative therapy regimen in order to retain student status.

Cherilyn Bacon Eagar
World Class Education Research

dismayed

How very depressing to read most of these comments. To the artist! Bravo, you brilliantly put your finger on the pulse of the most explosive issue at BYU in a very classy way.

To Cats: Lets turn your argument around. Mormons should be tolerated in the same way you tolerate homosexuals. We don't imprison them or kill them, we would never do such a thing here in the US. But we should not tolerate their bigotry or hatred either. Let's vote on a law in america to classify mormons as a cult rather than a religion, thus preserving the traditional definition of christianity and saving it from degradation and destruction. Love the mormon, but hate their religion.

How does all that sound when it is turned back on you?

I think it sounds incredibly small minded and bigoted.

To everyone, someone you know and love is gay. If you don't know anyone... then it is just because they are too afraid to tell you. Whether it is one in 100, or 1 in ten, each of us has a family member or a close friend who is gay. That's what this exhibit is about.

sam

I thought it was a beautiful exhibit. Whether you agree or disagree with the subjects' lifestyles you cannot help but feel love and charity toward them- purely because they are people....and so are you. It's a humbling experience to realize that we are all God's children. Not one of us is regarded as better than the other no matter how much you light loath someone.

To Cheryl

"At the very least, BYU should require its gay students to complete a reparative therapy regimen in order to retain student status. "

Cherilyn Bacon Eagar
World Class Education Research



Didn't you read these posts? Didn't you know that this has already been tried?

I quote I WAS THERE:

"As a student volunteer, I worked in the BYU Psychology Department/Clinic-sponsored research studies and I can assure you that these electric-shock therapy experiments to try to cure homosexuality DID HAPPEN! I was a volunteer helping out with no less than 3 separate studies, each examining aspects of homosexuality, its origins, and its modifiability. The results of these studies were communicated to Salt Lake and the Brethren, and it is because the results indicated that homosexuality may be inborn and is extremely resistant to the most powerful forms of electro- and chemical- therapies that the Brethren have taken the official stand they have taken. Officially, same sex attraction is NOT a sin! Only homosexual behavior is considered sinful in the Church."

re:grimble

"Commentor at 9:24am: If you're complaining about how YOUR tithing money is spent, I don't think you quite understand tithing."

Sorry the sarcasm of my 9:24 post went over your head. (oops, there I go again.)

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