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Display depicting gay students is back in the Harris Fine Arts Center

Published: Wednesday, Dec. 10 2008 12:11 a.m. MST

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Gandolf

The point of is article and photo essay is to point out the intolerence that exist in Utah and at BYU. Intolerance has always existed at BYU, rather it be with non-LDS, non-white, non-conformist.
It's OK to teach that homosexual activities are not acceptable with god, but taking away their rights is another issue all together.
Homosexuals have always existed in mass numbers but during some times they were driven underground due to intolerance. I know there are lots of gays that exist within the church but are driven underground because of the hate that is present amongest most members. Example- this blog.

Hmmm

"Right is right and wrong is wrong."

Radicals from any religion have long justified hate and murder as "right."

Instead of issuance of a definition of what "right" is, it seems to me that we would all be better off doing good instead of needing to be "right."

I don't think anyone can argue what is good and what is bad. So, I for one, will try to do good, and ignore definitions of "right" and "wrong."

Perhaps there is something peaceful in doing good. If that's the case, I'm walking that way.

Penny, you miss the point

Penny must mistakenly think BYU removed the pictures because "they are not that good . . ." I'm pretty sure the quality or lack of quality wasn't the problem. Good on BYU for backing off their communication problems and replacing the exhibit. Presumably they had review the photos before approving the display, it is sad to see small minds at work.

Troy

Will Mormon culture ever be released from the grasp of ignorance regarding homosexuals?

Some people here get it, but many do not and much of what has been said is extremely disheartening for me, as a Latter-day Saint, to read. This discussion has completely overlooked the true intent of Michael Wilbank's display.

What has happened to love? What has happened to compassion? What has happened to understanding? What happened to remembering that we are all brothers and sisters? Mormon culture sometimes forgets. And it is the "forgetting" of these quality's that will help lead to society's fall--not the mere existence of homosexuals.

Thank-you BYU for doing the right thing and allowing the project back up :)



Why Gays so Special?

Why should they hang pictures of gays who live the honor code? What about people who are attracted to married people at BYU but who live the Honor Code? What about recovering alcoholics at BYU? What about students who lust after the opposite sex but live the Honor Code? What about anyone who has an inclination to disobey the Honor Code, but lives it anyway? I can't understand why gays get all the attention.

dave smith

Michael wanted attention, and he got attention. Only time will tell if he got the kind of attention he was seeking. I will say that he showed an amazing display of tolerance when he posted my unfavorable comment on his blog, an attribute that many of his supporters lack, as they attacked me personally for my opposing viewpoint.

Tolerance is a two way street, and the sooner we all understand the right to dissent exists for us all, the sooner we will move forward. While I understand the challenges that being gay in an intolerant society can present, my advice is simple. Practice what you preach, and show equal tolerance for even those that may oppose you.

Lead by example,and take the higher road. The one who talks loudest, rarely if ever wins the argument, and often the one who whispers is heard the best.

blue is the color of the day

I think that there is a natural knee jerk reaction when you work for a church owned institution that is likely normal for any such environment. Better to err on the side of "looking righteous" than to err on the side of possibly promoting a behavior discouraged by the institution. Would he lose his job if he pulled the photos's? Probably not. Could he lose his job if he didn't pull the photos? Probably yes if the administration viewed the display of the photos to be against the mission of the school.
This is just a case of covering your butt to keep your job. However, I would not be surprised if this went all the way up the hierarchy of the church and a decision was actually made at the top or very near to the top.
Prop 8 only adds to the temperature of this issue.
we love gay people. They are our brothers and sisters. They are children of God.

Re: Sneak Jimmy

I am sincerely intrigued by one of your comments. Where is there a reference in the bible to the apostle Paul's possible same-gender attraction? This is not a rhetorical comment of any kind, just a question. Thanks for your post.

Re: Anonymous @ 9:13

I know blind obedience is a slippery slope. But I think you understood me wrong: some people posting here are appalled the BYU administration allowed the display, but I'm saying that I trust their judgment to replace it.

It seems like the "blind obedience" argument would be used if they had taken the display down and then I completely backed them on it on the basis that they're leaders.

Lose your self-righteous attitude.

MMM

I dont really think gay people are special to do all these kind of stuff so they can feel better, everyone of us take day to day decisions, and for those decisions we must be enough mature and responsible to live for.
If you are trying to change GOD's law for those decisions, and Im not talking if you are gay or not, there is many issues today to discuss. You cannot change GOD's law, He was, is and will be the same forever.

About these pics @ BYU, I think we can spend that money in pics about saving lives from genocide or finding the cure for AIDS.

RE: dave smith

How do know what Michael "wanted"? We as human beings tend to see the world as we see ourselves. Unless you know Michael personally and he told you that he wanted this kind of attention, or that somehow you are mysteriously able to "know" the real intents of his heart, you're making a VERY HUGE assumption about his character.
The words you posted on his blog are very manipulative.

Too much inflammatory language

Fellow members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,

It is embarassing to read some of these posts. Beliefs can be upheld and positions stated without finger-pointing, inflammatory language, and spiteful argumentative words.

It has been my experience that if you really want to cement someone's idea about something or someone (Us for instance), the best way to do it is to attack them and their ideas.

BYU is not about to change its position nor its honor code.

Verbal attacks only fuel the fire of those who are attacking the Church.

Mormon Scholar

To Sneak Jimmy,

Nothing about Paul was moderate. He was tightly drawn, passionately emotional, filled with enormous feelings of self-negativity, seeking to deal with those feelings in the timehonored way of external controls, unflagging religious zeal, and rigid discipline. He could not, however, master the passions that consumed him.

What were these passions? There is no doubt in my mind that they were sexual in nature, but what kind of sexual passions were they? Searching once again through the writings of Paul, some conclusions begin to emerge that startle and surprise the reader. Paul's passions seemed to be incapable of being relieved. Why was that? Paul himself had written that if one "could not exercise self-control" that person should marry. "For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion" (1 Cor. 7:9). But we have no evidence from any source that Paul ever married. Indeed, he exhorts widows and the unmarried to "remain single as I do" (1 Cor. 7:8).

Also, Paul has been perceived as basically negative toward women. He did write that "it is well for a man not to touch a woman" (1 Cor. 7:1).

Cats

To Jeff: I don't recall saying what gender I am. Interesting that you just assume that I am a woman. HHHMMMM.

You are making my point. There are many countries who do NOT tolerate homosexual behavior. We are NOT one of those countries and LDS people are not one of those religions. We DO tolerate gays. That's why we would ALWAYS oppose any of those laws or practices.

What we won't do is accept homosexual behavior as normal, natural or morally equal to heterosexual behavior. When gays say they want tolerance, what they really want is for everyone else to embrace and accept their lifestyle as normal and moral. That is what we will not do. That is a completely seperate issue from tolerance.

Bob in Boise

But is it art? Seems like a display of this kind would be better suited to a social science setting.

Cats

To: Sneaky Jimmy: There is aboslutely NO evidence that the Apostle Paul had same gender attraction. In fact, he was a member of the Sanhedrin. In order to be a member of the Sanhedrin, one HAD TO BE MARRIED. So you see, your comments are incorrect.

Cats

To: TO Cats: Those quotes are from the scriptures. If you disagree with them, your arguments is not with me, it is with GOD. I don't speak for GOD, I am only quoting the scriptures.

And, I reiterate, there is NO scientific study that concludes that anyone is born gay no matter how much gays or others try to say there is. One study, conducted in Holland, (the most gay affirming country on earth) conluded that there may be a genetic component to it. If so, it is only one of several factors, ONE OF WHICH IS CHOICE. That was the conclusion of the study.

To Those who struggle with this problem and have chosen to life a chaste life, I really admire and support you. YOU WILL BE BLESSED FOR YOUR FAITHFULNESS.

BYU Grad

Why are people denying that BYU tried to "fix" homosexuals by applying shock aversion treatment? This was very common in the 1960s-1980s, and even as recently as 1995. Just do a simple Google search for "BYU shock treatment".

Cats

To Gandolf: I have not seen one blog here that has exhibited ANY hate whatsoever. That is so typical of the gay movement to use the word HATE every time someone disagrees with them. This sort of intimidation will not work.

And to the blogger who said the Church won't adress same gender attraction or "gayness," that is absurd. The Church has completely addressed this issue. They have made their position clear. Case closed.

To Cats

"I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers" (Galatians 1:14).


However, Paul might not have advanced far enough to be a member of the Sanhedrin before He converted to Christ.

How do you know that he became a member of the Sanhedrin?

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