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Display depicting gay students is back in the Harris Fine Arts Center

Published: Wednesday, Dec. 10 2008 12:11 a.m. MST

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Missing the point

I have not heard the gay community go after the mormons for their beliefs in god, jesus, or spirituality. The problem is the LDS leadership and members have targeted the gay community mercilessly at the legislature, media, calling on members to finance hateful pieces of legislation. If you had not stuck your necks into this as an organization, this would not be happening. Yes, tolerance goes two ways, reach out to the gay communities and help them to gain equal rights. That is all they are asking for, dialog and support.

I wonder ...

if a photo-essay about a person who struggles with alcohol attraction / addiction, and the family that supports them, would elicit the same uproar? That question is rhetorical. Of course it wouldn't. We would focus on the compassion of the family and have compassion for the struggles of the alcoholic.

However, the homosexual community has, for the most part, successfully altered the dialogue such that homosexuality is spoken of as just another natural division of the human genome; White - Black, Tall - Short, Male - Female, Heterosexual - homosexual. To them, it's a natural division that should be given equal rights.

That fundamental change in the way society speaks of homosexuality alters this discussion. We view alcoholicism as a condition which includes personal choice (even though many struggle with a strong attraction to alcohol). Unless we correct the dialogue where homosexual behavior is a lifestyle choice in response to an attraction, we'll continually face this angst.

Lastly, it seems to me that previous discussions regarding those who choose to be gay included the notion that 'openly gay' was equated to practicing the gay lifestyle which includes homosexual behavior that would violate the honor code. What am I missing?

TNHick

From the article: "The artist's statement said labels create societal divisions"

I realize I'm just a dumb'ol country boy, but isn't a display of gay photos, or however you want to label it, perpetuating a societal division?

Otis Spurlock

BYU has come a long way from the old days of electro-shock aversion therapy.

I applaud BYU allowing this photo exhibition at their campus. In 1985 when I was a BYU student, I can tell you that this would not have been allowed.

what the?

Why don't the next project be photos of people who are attracted to porn and the people who support them? Why not? Seems like the logical next step dontcha think? Let's put up pics of everyone and their dirty laundry!!!

Wow

And we wonder why people think we are judgmental and petty. Let's take his exhibit at face value and appreciate that people with different life circumstances are still people who deserve to be loved.

Wrong Call

I'm a BYU grad and I think BYU is splitting major hairs here. It's one thing to display photos of people who just happen to be gay as part of some neutral theme and quite another to display photos of gay people when homosexuality itself IS the theme. At BYU? Come on! As far as I'm concerned that is promotion of homosexuality and is an inappropriate display to have at a university owned by a religious institution that unapologetically disavows homosexuality. LDS people are all taught the 'love the sinner, hate the sin' principle, so we don't need to be schooled in "tolerance" (in the true meaning of that word--not the current skewed meaning, which seems to include not only tolerating, but accepting and even embracing beliefs you don't share). The display is promotion and it should be taken down, permanently. It's a really sad day when you can't even escape having the militant homosexual agenda rammed down your throat at BYU. Sorry BYU, you got this one dead wrong.

To: Missing the Point

>>Why is it that the gay community cannot accept my belief?>>

Why should the have to accept YOUR belief?

>>Why is it that they cannot accept my vote by my conscience? >>

Because you're wrong?

If you "believed" the earth was flat, should I be required to uphold your fantasy?

What so many of the posters in here, and in LDS strangleholds don't understand is that gay men and women are up to 10% of our population. Homosexual behavior, despite biological directives, exist everywhere in all species.

God made us all. What can you not understand about that??

No one is required to acquiesce to your misguided fantasies or "beliefs."

Feel free to not accept or tolerate gays. But don't expect people to pat you on the back and cater to you for, basically, being ignorant.

Anonymous

I agree with you wholeheartedly, Tolerance. And Otis, get over yourself and move on.

des

I liked the display. It shows that our perceptions or assumptions may not be true. You know someone who is gay but may not know it. Would knowing change how you feel about that person? Should it?

Being gay doesn't mean you act on the attraction any more than being heterosexual means you act on the attraction. If heterosexuals can comply with the honor code why would you expect less from someone who is gay?

Brother Chuck Schroeder

Otis Spurlock | 8:21 a.m. Dec. 10, 2008 wrote:

"BYU has come a long way from the old days of electro-shock aversion therapy.

I applaud BYU allowing this photo exhibition at their campus. In 1985 when I was a BYU student, I can tell you that this would not have been allowed."

Why is this a good thing, Otis?

John Pack Lambert

Otis Spurlock wrote:

"BYU has come a long way from the old days of electro-shock aversion therapy.

I applaud BYU allowing this photo exhibition at their campus. In 1985 when I was a BYU student, I can tell you that this would not have been allowed."

What are you talking about?! BYU never used shock aversion therapy. Check your facts before you post.

Honor Code Fan

I love the Honor Code. BYU is a tremendous institution in part because of it. But I am sometimes disappointed in the administrators that apply it. This might well be one of those instances.

gay vs honor code

I think that the BYU students who are gay must be free to date, kiss, and show other affection in their same-sex relationships, but are not allowed to have sexual relations outside of marriage. That is what is a violation of the honor code. Do I understand this correctly?

Trust the BYU leadership

If you don't want to see it, don't go.

I have enough faith in the leaders at BYU to know they're not "sliding down the slippery slope." They're the leaders...I trust their judgment call. I might not have done the same thing if I were in their position, but I'm NOT in their position, am I?

Honor Code Fan

To Otis and John P. Lambert,

Aversion Therapy is no longer practiced by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The practice of electroshock therapy at BYU ended in the 1970s. Aversion therapy had to be abandoned by BYU because electroshock aversion therapy failed to cure homosexuality.

End of story. Now you guys can go back to whatever you were doing and let us continue this discussion.

To: Honor Code Fan

Hugh Nibley was also bothered by what he saw as the unthinking, sometimes almost dogmatic application of some portions of BYU's honor code.

Hugh Nibley said, "The worst sinners, according to Jesus, are not the harlots and publicans, but the religious leaders with their insistence on proper dress and grooming, their careful observance of all the rules, their precious concern for status symbols, their strict legality, their pious patriotism... the haircut becomes the test of virtue in a world where Satan deceives and rules by appearances."

I don't think he would have been too pleased with this decision to pull the photo exhibit either.

conduct unbecoming?

to 8:43. You make me wonder if the honor code extends to all kinds of unbecoming activities, like students hanging out in bars (not drinking of course), going to 'R' rated movies, looking at pornography, gambling, participating in pro-gay events, etc. are against the honor code. Is dating and kissing members affectionately of the same sex unbecoming? How restrictive is the honor code?

Institutionalized Discrimination

Gay vs. Honor Code, no that is not correct. Two gay people holding hands is a violation of the honor code which forbids any homosexual behavior or advocacy of homosexual behavior whether it is sexual behavior or not.

Cats

To: To Missing the Point: Gays amount to about 1% of the population--not 10%. Also, there is no study ever conducted that has come to the conclusion that anyone is born gay. There was a study conducted in Holland that concluded that genetics may play a roll, but it is only one of a number of factors, one of which is CHOICE. This is the study that most gays point to in order to claim that gays are born that way.

To the mother of a gay son--I feel really sorry for you, but there is NO study that supports the position that ANYONE is born gay. I hope your son can get some help.

And we do tolerate gays. If we didn't they would be in prison or executed. That's what they do in some countries. We don't do that and would never tolerate any such practice. So you see, we are very tolerant. What gays want is not tolerance but total acceptance. They want the rest of us to tell them their behavior is natural, normal and morally equal to heterosexual behavior. God has stated that homosexuality is an abomination and GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED!

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