Good article. I'll always be grateful to Twilight. Its had a
positive affect on my daughter and how she should be viewing the males in her
sphere of acquaintances. She's had a poor view of men ever since her Dad left us
for his girlfreinds and to see an example of someone being devoted and
dependable has opened her up again. She went from "I'm never getting married" to
"You have to look for the right attitude to stay married eternally" and for her,
that's a major change.
As a huge fan of Twilight, reading your article really made me love it more. I'm
happy to know that the novel did not only appeal to teenagers like me but also
to people of all ages as well. What you said is absolutely true. I couldn't
agree with you more. Twilight isn't really just about a simple love story
between two people. It's a whole lot more.
I agree - the books sparked a love of reading in my teenage daughter. We now
have something more to talk about and have seen the movie together twice.
This movie is another of those mormon 'darlings' that will be defended to the
nth degree. If it were created outside of a connection to the morg, it would be
approached totally different here.
Yes, good article. However, I disagree with one comment:"The comment
(that Twilight is smut for women) is also a dead give away that the guy hasn't
bothered to see the movie."Correction, such a comment is a dead give
away that the guy hasn't read the *book*. Unfortunately the movie is
so laughably bad that it's hard to take anything of value from it. It is so bad
that it almost ruined the book that I found so enjoyable.
Movies have to condense a book into 100 pages or less and while doing that, they
have to stand on their own and make sense to those who haven't read the book.
There is always something that the reader of the book will think was left out or
not developed sufficiently. Since I didn't read the book I had no
disappointment with the movie. For me it worked fine. I enjoyed it. I thought
it did a good job raising sexual tension without the usual sex. Millions upon
millions in America appreciate that ability in this movie as evidenced by it's
popularity. What a refreshing change. A new style of romantic genre has been
discovered that I hope will be a pattern for other films to follow.
"Anonymous" feels this is local Mormon phenomenon. Not true! This is all over
the country and is huge. Folks with values and morals from lots of religious
directions are happy with a fun and adventurous story that is clean. It is
refreshing and a good example of "retaking lost ground" in society. Hurray for
your perspective. It was refreshing, and nice to finally hear it.
I disagree, and I've seen it. The bulk of the leading lady's role was to evince
sheer horniness. There was no real morality evident in the movie. It is made
crystal clear that if the main characters could have schlept together, they
Ok, back up. How is this a "local Mormon phenomenon"? I saw this in N.C. - it's
all over the country. My daughter's friends (in Hickory, N.C.) are wild about
the movie and the books. I didn't get that the characters were Mormon, nor did I
hear any mention of Mormons in the movie. Did I miss something? Or is it a
phenomenon because Utah people liked it? By the by, I applaud the author and the
studio for daring to write and produce something with good old fashioned morals.
Truly refreshing. I hope they don't change that in the sequels.
I loved the book and I loved the movie - and I'm not a sappy romantic - it was
just plain fun and clean entertainment for a change. After seeing the movie I
read the book again and liked it even more.
Just look at Amazon's top 10 best seller's for the year and see if any Stephanie
Meyer books are there. Number 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 10 are all Meyer books. It
doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that this isn't a "local Mormon
Doug! "retaking lost ground"???!!??are we in a war or something?
secular v. mormons?non-mormons v. mormons?mormons,
catholics, evangelicals v. the world?tell me the teams so i can
decide who to root for!
How can you consider this "safe"? He stalks her, ends up in her bedroom every
night, and she lies to her father right and left.ANY girl that
carries on a relationship with a boy in that fashion will sleep with him.
Twilight sets up a false sense of security and should horrify every mother whose
kid reads it.And girls wanting the same kind of guy that their Mom
married--by that do you mean someone 200 years old?
It may not be "smut," but definitely soft porn for women.The problem
with porn is that it provides a false perspective on healthy relationships. The
relationship between Edward and Bella is fantasy and creates a false expectation
in adolescent, and apparently middle-aged women, of what real healthy
relationships are.May you all find your Edwards.
I enjoyed the article. I like Twilight because it shows YOU decide what you do,
not your hormones or powerful human urges. That's the whole point. Not "every
girl" will sleep with a guy when they carry out a relationship in that fashion.
They could have, but they chose not to.
I'm glad girls are reading, but why this rot? How about a real book? First Harry
Potter and now this. We are in danger of putting out the most shallow and
unimaginative herd of teen girls this country has ever seen. As a teacher, I've
talked to girls who devour this pablum and they seem quite unable to even say
why they like it. As the country goes into a time where we will truly need
brilliant, strong women, we will be left with a nation of airheads waiting for a
magic horse to swoop down and fly them away to a handsome prince's crystal
cavern, to live forever and sheild them from all harm.
I wouldn`t watch this movie if someone gave me a hundred dollars to do so.
I don't think I would go as far to say "soft porn" for women. At least not the
first book of the series. However, the story gets more and more intense
throughout the series. I think parents should be cautioned about their teenagers
reading the series. Parents need to decide if they feel it is appropriate.I agree that the movie provides a false perspective on healthy
relationships. I left thinking that the characters relationship was extremely
underdeveloped. It ended up feeling like they had nothing more than a sexual
basis for their relationship. The book however, provides more understanding of
why they are a good match. There is nothing wrong with a little fantasy so long
as you are able to distinguish it from reality. Parents who communicate openly
with their teens about matters of love and sex have no need to fear this movie
or the book.
you make some very good points. Let add her making out with him on her bed.involved in a relationship with a much older man. obviously she was not
interesed in boys her own age.Then this much older man takes her across
state lines without her parents permission.At the end of the movie she is
begging edward to "turn her" Is this a metaphor for taking her virginity?How about how she treats her father he is trying to create a relationship with
her.How about how the "vampire" family is involved in felonous behavior
constantly: pooching, possible murder, for which there is not statute of
limitations.The movie and books are nothing but entertainment, to try and
find some kind of redeeming social value in them is rediculous.Truth is
high school girls should not be involved in one on one relationships with boys.
Friendly dating is fine but nothing serious until she is older and better able
to make rational decisons.Romance novels and movies are a bunch of fluff.
It does create unrealisic expectaions for men.if a guy sticks around and
helps out maybe you should appreciate that.
There is no way to have sex in a safe way. UNLESS you are married to them.
The book is poorly written. And the story line is unoriginal. And the movie is
What You haven't read the book series. That's the point. A popular
book for young adults that does not have the main characters having sex without
benefit of marriage. The fact they had that kind of self control is a welcome
message today. Sure beats the myth that teens have teens have the willpower of a
german shephard. He is a condom. Bella was constantly the parent in
her relationship with her parents. They were incapable of decision making and
shopping/cooking. No wonder she was interested in relationships with stronger
males. No wonder she desired to change into a vampire to be less fragile and
gain strength. The premise that she had to turn into something else t be with a
guy bothered me until I read book four. Stephanie Meyer handled the whole story
brillantly. I can't get over how talented she was in being able t bring the
story together and resolve the more moral issues that were touched on.
As a 54 year old male I found both the book and movie excellent. I use to tease
my wife and 5 daughters incessently regarding EDWARD & BELLA. I finally gave in
and started reading the book and found Meyers was an extremely gifted writer. I
also found the movie excellent (which I usually don't compared to books). Two
Whatever you may think of the quality of these or Harry Potter, at least the
kids are reading SOMETHING.
THe problem is that parents now days parents don't talk to their kinds and the
media does it for them. Sure they don't have sex but the movie but she wanted
to. This is just moral relativism. Sure its way better than what the world
offers but still not all the way correct. Too many lines were crossed that were
made to seem ok since they didn't have sex. They were alone he was older they
had to lie they were sexual without much basis on other aspects of a
relationship. They went exclusive after a very short period. on and on. Don't
hold this on a pedestal without thinking that its just entertainment not
education. The problem is that media is education for our kids unless we as
parents step in.
True, Edward and Bella do not have sex outside of marriage. HOWEVER. That does
not negate the numerous other warped ideals presented in both book and movie.
Among these are:1) physical and emotional abuse in relationships
that is portrayed as 'okay' if the abuser didn't really mean it or is really,
really sorry (more in the books than the movie),2) total physical and
emotional dependence on one's boyfriend/girlfriend to an unhealthy degree (a la
book #2),3) a boyfriend that will helpfully tell one's parents that one
merely 'fell down the stairs'4) forsaking real relationships and real
friendships with one's peers for the sake of love because, after all, once
you've found love everyone else become unimportantAnd many more. But
the fact remains that while Twilight can be applauded for keeping Edward and
Bella out of bed outside wedlock, it simultaneously presents themes that any
responsible reader would at least raise an eyebrow at.I'm not saying
I'm against the books entirely. In fact I found them rather enjoyable, but the
target audience are the ones who are taking these books far past a means of
entertainment into something more like a way of life.
We are not LDS and don't practice religion; we live in Georgia. Twilight has
impacted the teens including those in college and not exclusively girls (boys
read and watched it for the girls). It's not a mormon phenomenon and I didn't
even realize there was any LDS affiliation until recently. A quick look at the
movie ticket sales should have clued you in.
This has always been my problem with Twilight. It is true that they don't have
premarital sex. That's a big plus. It is nice to have a book or movie that
doesn't go there for a change.But I have to agree with Toni. He
sleeps in her bed almost every night. He sneaks in. She lies to her father.
They kiss and pet and let their hormones rage. I don't get how that's good.
It supports the idea that safe sex means doing all sorts of things
if you don't actually "go all the way." Yes we have those hormones and
emotions. But true virtue isn't stopping before you go too far. True virtue is
acknowledging that it is very hard to stop and therefore not even getting close.
And for the record, Bella would have done more if Edward had
consented. And while his hesitation might have to do with his old-fashioned
upbringing (while he was still human), it's also because on a deeper level he
was worried about her humanity. Not her virginity.
I'm glad that people don't see this as a Mormon phenomenon (because it isn't).
The author is a member of the LDS church but certainly no one in the book is. I
wouldn't want the world to start thinking that the LDS church approves of their
teens doing the same actions as the characters in Twilight.
For all you people who are poopawing the book and the movie, take a step back.
First, look at what the deeper meaning is. Of course the book is about sex, but
more importantly it's about not giving up what you want now for what you want
most. Edward wanted to be with Bella most and because he loved her more than
anything in the world he forced himself to overcome his lust and desire for her
blood (or if you want to put it bluntly, sex). The message is self control.
Sexual intercourse is not the ultimate show of love, instead it's sacrifice.
And later, (Spoiler if you haven't read the book) if you notice, Edward doesn't
"turn her" until after they are married. Seems like a pretty good analogy for
sex. It's fantasy but there are lessons that we can learn from.
I have four daughters who I would prefer reading different material other than
Twilight. The fantasy and soft porn they could find in these books are not what
I would ever want for them in real life. And ya, ya , i know what people say
its just a book for young girls to fantasize about no harm.Ya no harm my tail
Mormon then this movie would have been stricken from the cinemas and the books
from the shelves. My high school daughter had to read this book in her book
club at school for goodness sakes!
Everyone should face the facts, just like everything else in this world no two
people are going to feel the same way about ANYTHING. There are tons of people
who have made fun of the stories to me, and others, but all i can tell is that
they havent read the books, and the clearly should. Edward and bella are doing
everything the right way. Think about it, would you rather your daughters have
sex before they were married? You can say what you want about it not being good
for your kids or being unrealistic, but the truth is that everyone has wanted
someone to feel about them, the way edward feels about bella. At some point in
your life, you know that this was true. So stop trashing the books. Stephanie is
an amazing author.
The reality of it is in real life these characters would have had sex thats
what makes it fictional...HA! You have your opinion let me have mine. I have
been married twenty two years to the man of my dreams, and it sure did not take
Stephanie's novels to learn about true love. I do not care who reads them, some
of my best girlfriends love them, I am not judging them, they are just not for
my family. Although I do think its funny that with all thats out there to
watch these days, this book is pretty clean uh? NOT! I really think that these
books do not help are kids refrain from sex before marriage but actually egg it
I will just use Twilight books as birth control for my children...funny
Just what our society needs! One more thing to irritate our glands! Even if it
One hour of movie usual equates to about hundred pages.So actually
it more correct to say that a movie must condense a book to about 2 hundred
pages.Still, a lot must be left out!
I don't agree that this movie would have been stricken if the author weren't
Mormon. I haven't seen the movie, but from what I've heard it's pretty mild
compared to most movies out there. I don't think it needs to be banned or
anything. As for the books, I don't believe in censoring the books
in general. They are pretty mild as far as description goes (at least the first
3, which I've read). I believe as parents we have a right to say we don't like
what our children HAVE TO read, but there are a lot worse books out there.(I still don't think they promote sex properly, but I wouldn't call for
a general ban.)
The book and the movie seem to point out that it is not the physical
relationship for edward it is his addiction to her (special blood ) that
replaces the physical addiction that most males have in a real world
relationship. Women are tired of that. They like that he is always
around her all the time instead of out playing ball or video games or hunting or
doing something else. They like the fact the he is waiting on her
protecting her ect... thats what the women want now, It a fictional story. The love the fact that it is a total addiction on his part and that they
never owe anything in the relationshipIt not anything to do with the
physical side of things like a typical real world relationship, or the problems
of providing a living dealing with reality of Life.
This book has captured my student's attention. Unfortunately they all want to
read it when we have other work like Math and Science to do.
to anonymous 4:34 p.m. Dec. 6, 2008IF PEOPLE cannot tell that THIS IS
WRONG, SOMETHING is wrong. Our society has the view that anything less than
intercourse is OK!!!! IT IS AMORAL AND I HAVE READ THEM ALL. Our society NO
longer knows right from wrong and their relationship shows that in a subtle
deeply gray area where we can talk about what is really right verses not wrong.
What they do is "not wrong" but it is not right either. It is like the story
of the guy who drives as close to the edge without falling off verses driving as
close to the wall as possible. Falling off is a lot closer if you are ON THE
I suppose Christopher Robin and Pooh put children the world over in danger of
false expectations of what a friend is.This world needs more
imagination.To anon13 - Most of the world presents life on or
over the edge. It is nice to see people doing what it takes to keep away from
falling for a change.
I believe that the more you think about sex, the more likely you are to
have sex. This is four books full of fantasy. I sure couldn't get that close to
someone I was attracted to, on a bed, all night long, night after night after
night...and still be a virgin. But let's do better than that - and still be
virtuous. Being virtuous does not mean just refraining from the final act. It
is staying well away from it. This book tempts girls to think they could do the
same thing. Disobey parents, sneak around, sleep all night in your boyfriend's
arms and you get to be the hero of your own life story. Not. Bella
was weak. Let's not make excuses for Bella because she had parents that weren't
perfect. (Be careful here - because neither does your daughter!)
Edward had super-human resistance - and he would have to. I don't think there
are 999 out of a thousand men who could do what he did. Night, after night,
after night...is that where you want your little girls mind to be?
I'll give you this - the book was well written. Maybe how you look at the
book/movie depends upon where you normally spend your reading/viewing time. For
some this book might be a step up while for others it is a walk in the dark.
There might be some of the reason why we differ so much in our opinions.
To "to Anonymous @ 10:36 amRe: "Most of the world presents life on
or over the edge. It is nice to see people doing what it takes to keep away from
falling for a change."Edward and Bella did not keep away from
falling. They did everything they could to push their limits. Keeping boys out
of your bedroom would be some of what it takes to keep from falling.We have been trying to teach our youth that you should stay well away from the
edge - not tempt fate. Maybe you could do damage control by having
a good discussion about this, but it would be better yet to find a loftier way
than to have your child first be "a bug on the wall" of a bedroom where two
people are being very sensuous to say the least. If you wouldn't want your child
to be viewing that in real life, then why would you want them to do that
I think there's a great difference between being a great writer and a good
storyteller. Stephanie Meyer tells a good story, but she's not a great writer.
All of you on the saying that this is morally "wrong" or however you put it, you
are on the internet, how on earth do you not realize that this entire series is
more morally straight than 99% of the content that your children have access to.
Besides that, if you are thinking that everyone who reads this book absorbs all
of the moral like a sponge, think again.
So how many of you critizers let your children watch prime time TV??? This book
and movie are nothing compared to that trash! She is an excellent author, and
the books and movie are excellent too; after all, they are fictional. It's a
great super natural love story! Horray for Stephanie Meyer! She deserves every
cent she is making!
Well, the premise of vampires seems to have gone hand-in-hand with sexuality for
decades now. Meyer's approach is certainly more self-restrained than the rest,
so she should be commendeded for that.Though I'm a Twilight fan
myself, certain criticism is not unjustified. The real problem with the series
is not the sexual aspect, but the fact that it serves as such a tool for
escapism with it's core fan base: teenage girls. For the most part, the book (or
movie, for that matter) does no harm in this area. Yet, for the millions of
younger girls who have become obsessed with the series, they have developed an
unrealistic vision/expectation of what romantic relationships entail.But it's not a major problem. Meyer started out writing a book meant for young
females, and it caught on for the same reason J.K. Rowling's creation has:
gripping escapist fantasy proves to be a welcome break from reality. It's only
inevitable that more impressionable fans may take away more than was intended.
"Pulsing heart throb". :) Wonderful way to describe Edward who has neither pulse
nor heart throb.
To anonymous who says "So how many of you critizers let your children watch
prime time TV??? This book and movie are nothing compared to that trash!"I agree that primetime TV is worse than this book and movie. For that
matter, so is most daytime TV. I think the soaps are worse than the movie
easily. I for one am critical of this book and movie AND I don't let my kids
watch primetime. For that matter neither do I. (And before you
think I'm too much of a prude, my kids are ages 8, 6, and 1. They are too young
for the book, the movie, or the crud on TV.)
I am the mother of girls and I feel that these books do have a very sensual
undertone. To an adult it may be a cute romance but to impressionable youth it
sends them the wrong message. I have heard of chilren as young as 10 years old
who are obsessed with these books. What message is it sending to them? As
parents we have the responibility to protect our children in all areas of there
lives from things they are not ready for. To a young child this could very well
I offer the following synopsis1) Twilight is fiction (It didn't really
happen)2) Twilight is fantasy (It couldn't really happen)3) Authors
of fiction and fantasy can create very compelling worlds that can capture our
imagination in a very powerful way. Lord of the Rings captured mine. Twilight
captured millions of others, especially women and girls. These stories can be
great entertainment.4) As long as Twilight is viewed as entertainment, I
don't see much harm.5) For many, however, this is pure mania and
obsession. In this I am concerned. So much human capital wasted on obsessing
about Edward and this fictional story.6) Those who lack the judgement
and/or maturity to distinguish between real life healthy relationships and those
given in ANY work of fiction should not read such books.
What about the countless women who have replaced their husbands w/ twilight?
I'm talking women who read the books more than a dozen times each. Just like
some men are obsessed w/ football or some other vice...so too are some women
obsessed w/ these books, or others like them. The fact that "Twilight" has been
completely accepted by the mainstream, has somewhat allowed those spending to
much time fantacizing them to have a pass.
I think everyone is reading into this book series and movie way to much!! They
are FICTION and if your teenager cannot discern between fiction and nonfiction
then you need to be monitoring what they read in the first place. Why does
everything have to be dissected and torn apart into hidden meanings and
objectives? The book is what it is, so everyone should take it at face value!
It's a excellent book about a vampire boy and human girl who come together and
feel the void in each other's lives.
I have only seen a ad for this movie, but in reading some comments, I do not
have a desire to see it now. We are so lulled into a tolerance of things. When
my daughter was young, she and her dad watched 90210, my husband said that it
always had a moral to share in the story line. One evening as I was leaving to
a meeting, I heard some of the dialog and it was about sex, my daughter was
about nine. It had started out with morals, but gradually started to get
smutty. I have never seen or read a Harry Potter, but from my understanding,
the latest book is pretty dark, again, a gradual change. Oh, the
preview I saw of this movie, was quite erotic, and I in my old lady prudish way,
felt uncomfortable with it, I refuse to become comfortable with things, kind of
like being "lulled".
Amen to Bob2!! I wasn't totally comfortable with the first book and became less
so with each book following. I never finihsed Breaking Dawn--it literally made
me want to vomit. The idea that a healthy sexual relationship renders physical
harm to a woman in any way or for any reason is sick!! I could go on and on,
but long story short, had I read the books first, my daughters wouldn't have so
much as cracked the covers!
I think it's important to read the book first, then go see Twilight. The movie
left out important scenes like Edward and Bella getting to know each other.
There is a meadow scene, yes it's in the movie, but it is totally different in
the book. Where there are personal moments when they get closer to each other.
I think guys should see it too, it might make them a better boyfriend. In my
opinion, Bella brings out the better Edward. Meyer's creativeness brought out a
love story that girls can connect to and ladies crave for as Edward is such a
gentlemen. Gentlemen? A long forgotten man of the past.
I was uncomfortable with how Stephanie Meyers said she got these
ideas. I don't know how you could think these ideas came from God. Why would
He want us dwelling on the intimate moments of others at all, let alone at great
length?If there is anything virtuous...come on - what is the test we
are to give our entertainment choices?
I wouldn't have even read these books if it had not been written by an LDS
author and if I hadn't heard so many raving reviews from young people at church.
I was very disappointed in an LDS author writing such sexual books. While I
was reading one of the books, a young girl of another faith started a
conversation regarding them. Her parents were shocked that the author was LDS
and did not want their children reading it. They expected and hoped for more
from us.I didn't read Harry Potter because I didn't like the
background of the author. I predicted that no good would come of it in the end,
and that it would end up PG13. Then I did read Twilight because I had hope that
it would be uplifting. I asked my daughter not to read it and told her why. At
least if she does choose to read it, she has what I said in her head first.
Read the books, saw the movie...five times. Loved it. My family has enjoyed
reading them and watching. It has kept me connected with my younger
siblings...our age range is fairly broad (11-27). I appreciated
Meyer's stories. I thought they were intriguing and of high morals without
beating us over the head with her beliefs. As an educator, I am glad to see
students reading these books. It has brought so much life and discussion into
the world of literature and the world in general. I am excited for the next
films and encourage Meyer's to continue writing.THANK YOU FOR THE
WONDERFUL ARTICLE. I AGREE 100%.
Reading just to be reading...hmmmThe quality should matter.
The quality does matter and this is quality work. Hmmm...yourself,
but keep it clean and quality-work.
There is a side of women that men will never understand. You are entitled to
your opinion, but attempting to make women like everything men like and not have
a place for their own feelings aside from the intellectual world and the
business world is as unrealistic as trying to make all men think and feel like
women.Is everything you read intellectually or politically
stimulating? Good for you if it is. We all need some escapism. By
the way, the Harry Potter books were clever escapistm. You may not have thought
of them as high art, but they filled their own purpose. Any author who can
write so a child will read a 400 page book instead of play a video game has
I couldn't agree with you more. Men and women are different in some ways, ways
that we wouldn't want to change. It is what makes us all so very unique. Recently divorced (my husband left me after admitting several affairs),
and just survived cancer this year, these books gave me hope. Hope that life
wasn't over for me at 27. Somewhere out there is an Edward for me. If I respect
myself and love myself enough, I can find a happy ending. Ms. Meyer's books were
great escapism, but I also found them to be very heart felt for me. The action was pulse-pounding, and the romance was out of this
world...honestly, how many of you out there like myself screaming internally
with delight or sighed serveral times as you read. It's exciting,
for those of who enjoy the books, to have such an escape. *sigh*
Haven't seen the movie or read any of the books but I can say that my 40 year
old wife and my 14 year old daughter have absolutely devoured ALL the books,
plus the book the author posted on line that was stolen (or the portion she'd
written so far) AND have seen the movie. Heck, my wife saw it twice.Whether it was a calculated/marketed story or just one that flowed from her
heart, she's hit a freakin' home run.
I don't understand the article. Yes, in Twilight Edward and Bella don't have
sex, but in Breaking Dawn Bella becomes an unwed, teenage mother. How does that
change the perspective?Also, I agree with Toni. This book should not
represent what a good relationship is! Edward constantly "watches over" Bella
while she is sleeping and somehow she is flattered by this? Also, the language
that is used in the story is very characteristic of language found in abusive
relationships. Edward constantly tells Bella that he might hurt her,
that he doesn't want to have to hurt her etc. He is pretty much blaming her for
the abuse that she could possibly receive from him; moving all the blame from
himself. I don't see anything good about this series.
I love Twilight. It is soooo awesome. Stephenie Meyer is a genius.
I think you described the book and the movie perfectly. Well done.