I personally say "Merry Christmas" but never have taken offense at "Happy
Holidays". Isn't this just forcing one group's view upon the other? Whether
you come from the left or the right, it's the same thing.
Happy Holidays, Senator. Happy Holidays.
Chris Buttars is a joke. Quit wasting Utah's time and money Chris! The only
War on Christmas comes from people like you who think Christmas is supposed to
be about SHOPPING!!!!
Did this guy really get re-elected? This is absolutely crazy.
Buttars is just wasting time on ridiculous resolutions. Way to go West Jordan
on re-electing this yahoo.
What a waste of time.
i have never seen any normal, hard working, anybody get offended by merry
christmas, i have never seen any normal, hard working anybody, get offended by
happy holidays or happy Chanukah, every one gets offended by merry x-mas
however. happy holidays is an acceptable middle ground. if you want to say merry
christmas who cares. no need for action.
How could people be so blind and stupid to re-elect this clown?
Shame on you for re-electing this person.
I don't believe Senator Buttars' effort is a waste of time, my reason being that
if we fail to do something to keep "Christmas" as part of the Christmas Holiday,
the very meaning of the season may eventually be lost or at least weakened. It's
a small thing to encourage retailers and shoppers to use "Christmas" rather than
"Holiday", but traditions and ideas are lost one small step at a time.
Even by the often silly and self-centered "Christian" standards of many Utahans,
this is a truly asinine new low. Happy Saturnalia, Senator.
Wasn't it this newspaper that referred to a Christmas tree as a Yule tree? The
Deseret News will be hearing from a local lawmaker. :-)
This is no more a Christian Country than it is a Muslim, Jew or Agnostic
country. It is a country. Free to be a Buttars and free to be a Buttars hater.
This guy is running out of bogus causes and is starting to look like Dell
Schanze more and more everyday. Gayle get a new houseboy, this one embarrasses
I think there should be a law defining Christmas as one Christian shopper at one
I should be able to wish you "Merry Christmas" without fear of being sued. No matter WHO endorses it, this is a worthy endeavor because our country
is becoming less Christian by the minute. This trend of not saying "Christmas"
in favor of "Holiday" has got to end. We are a country founded on Christian
principles. We are celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, not "Holiday's." Merry Christmas, and to all a good day!!
Christmas is the domain of religion, and state lawmakers should leave it at
that. I celebrate Christmas, but I think having the state dictate or "encourage"
behaviors related to this or any other religious observance cheapens the
holiday. Let's respect people's rights to decide what they will celebrate, how,
and why.I don't see how the supposed "attack on Christmas" could be
considered a legitimate state concern. We are going through tough times and
Utah is facing some major issues. Would Buttars and fellow legislators please
focus on those?
I am REALLY surprised by the comments on this board!! Do you know or remember
what the celebration of Christmas is all about????? It is to celebrate the birth
of Jesus Christ. That is what it funtion was in the beginning - and I for one do
not want it to change to just a "season" to celebrate with LOTS of wordly gifts.
I think he is right. The Muslims and Jews have their holidays and we do not
interfer with them why must we change ours to include them ? PLEASE remember
everyone the reason for the season is Christ!!!! Therefore Christmas. Please
don't forget. If you do not believe in Christ and want to celebrate in your own
way be my guess..... But don't change the name and reason for the rest of us. It
sounds like gays and marraige all over. Why is alright to be gay and Muslim and
any other religion - but Christians must not persecuted?
To Lavinia: Which Christian principle was it that took this land away from the
Natives; lying, cheating, stealing, or murder?
There is nothing wrong with supporting the use of Merry Christmas. Today, many
companies are changing their advertising to Happy Holiday's in fear of offending
those who aren't Christians. This is ridiculous of course, or is it? I believe
we are slowly being lulled away from being "one nation under God" by those who
go out of their way to be politically correct out of fear/desire. It has always
been Merry Christmas and it should always be Merry Christmas. We celebrate the
birth of the Savior whose name this holiday has been given.Merry
Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Well, West Jordan, thanks a lot. Just because the majority of the country is
Christian doesn't mean that 'Happy Holidays' is a bad thing. I would also like
to remind Mr Buttars that Mormons are not a majority, but our rights are still
important. The purpose of a republic is to protect all, not a rule by majority
lifestyle. If majority rule was king, I hate to think what kind of laws we would
have in this country.The problem with Christmas is that it falls
near so many other religious days. To be fair, Happy Holidays captures them
all. We don't have this problem with Easter, because there aren't other
conflicting religious holidays surrounding the date. That being said, I am not
offended by any of the holiday greetings.The bottom line, though, is
that the government should not be meddling in how stores choose to advertise. I
do not support my tax dollars going towards such a silly resolution.
Is Gail Ruzicka holding the puppet strings? When are we going to get away from
the Eagle Forum lackeys in the Utah Legislature? Buttars is a Utah
embarrassment. Thanks, West Jordan.
The retailers Butters is referring to are mostly large corporations run by his
Repug. cohorts. Better be careful who you upset! Keep Govt. out of religion,
and vice versa!
I agree with Lavinia!! The "holidays" issues reminds me of the over protectant
parent who when buying birthday gifts for a child buys another child(ren)
an "unbirthday" present to make sure that they don't get their feelings hurt and
feel left out.CHRISTMAS is a religous holiday. Stop trying to make
it otherwise.Go Buttars for doing something to offset the squeaky
SHOULDN'T BUTTARS BE DOING SOMETHING BETTER WITH HIS TIME? GOSH, LET ME SEE
ISN'T THERE A FEW THINGS GOING ON WITH UHHH THE ECONOMY, WAR, ETC...THAT WOULD
BE A TINY BIT MORE IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON???
I agree with Buttars. But he is one of the last guys you want to champion any
Listen, I am an Atheist. I do not care if people say Merry Christmas to me. I
honestly do not think you Christians care if I wish you a Happy Solstice. Same
as wishing me a Happy Hanukah or Kwanza. Go ahead. What I do not understand is
why you people celebrate someone else's birthday - give each other presents for
god's birthday. That's... I don't know. All well meaning anyway.
I personally think that stores should say "Merry Christmas" if they are run by a
Christian...someone who believes in Christ. It saddens me to see "Happy
Holidays" replacing "Merry Christmas".But I am also a believer in
democracy...and anytime someone tries to infringe on anothers right to put in
their store window "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" is an
infringement on democracy. The flip side of this is also true. We shouldn't
prevent people from displaying religious sayings in their stores. And Gay rights
groups shouldn't expect the rest of us to believe the load of manure (aka
BLATENT LIES) that they spread. They are trying to legislate what we believe.
It's wrong anyway you look at it.
I have no problem with Sen. Buttars wasting his time on this nonsense...at least
it keeps him from meddling around with much more serious and meaningful issues
Thios has got to be a joke. When there are so many other things of importants
going on in this stated he wants Christmas as the word used by retailers. Keep
him in West Jordan. Some people just have to much time on thier hands and he is
one of them. Work on the state budget not what we should call the 25th of
This issue is just another example of the Right Wing talking heads looking for
an issue to whip up the base. "Happy Holidays" has been around forever and is
no attack on Christmas. This whole issue reminds me of what Jesus condemned the
Pharisees for--focusing on the minutae and "rules" so they missed the whole
Gospel message. Stop this nonsense.
If todays "Christians" acted more like their namesake, we wouldn't even be
having this discussion. Sadly, lately it seems as if "Christian" is nothing
more than code for right-wing politics.
"Christmas" in the stores no more focuses on the Christian part of Christmas
than does "Happy Holidays." Since when does all of the retail part remind of
Jesus Christ?Non-Christians participate in the holiday this time of
the year. Why shouldn't they celebrate a holiday in December?Whatever, Chris Buttars.
Congrats, Buttars. You continue to make a donkey of yourself. And
congratulations West Jordan for re-electing this embarrassment.
I personally think Buttars is a religious nut and somewhat crazy-- that being
said this is the FIRST time I have ever agreed with anything he has done. We have lost the meaning of Christmas. Maybe its time to call attention to
it.Now Senator Buttars you've made me agree with you one time so resign
and let someone competent replace you.MERRY CHRISTMAS ONE AND ALL!!
We have a major hole in the state budget and a myriad of other important issues
and Buttars comes up with this? Hey, Buttars, you are paid to address issues
that are important to the taxpayers of this state. Quit wasting our time and the
countless sheets of paper and legislative staff time that we paying for on this
sort of nonsense.
I can't believe what a joke that man is willing to make of himself. Legislative
time is precious--don't waste it on junk like this.
Buttars continues to be an embarasssment. Instead of working to build an
environmment where real companies with real jobs want to move to Utah, he teams
up with Larry miller (no Brokeback Mountain) and our Utah Film Commission to
create a hostile business location. Instead of worrying about stupid legislation
like this, work on something meaningful...for a change.
That people in Buttars' district voted him back in office. He is the scariest
legislature in history. Any thing he suggests, do the opposite.
Now this is a good use of taxpayer money and legislative time.
I can't stand it any more!!! This if for all of you yahoos who believe there is
a war on Christmas. THERE NEVER HAS BEEN, AND IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THERE
EVER WILL BE, A WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!The whole "War on Christmas" was
just another piece of hyperbole used to get all of you upset. Credit whomever
you wish for creating the "War" (personally, I prefer to credit Bill O'reilly).
The bottom line is Christmas is not under attack and probably will be celebrated
Get a grip folks! The term "Happy Holidays" was invented to incorporate other
holidays (e.g., Hanukka), not to eliminate or downgrade Christmas. This country was not founded on the same Judeo-Christian beliefs and ideals
that many of us believe in today. If it was we likely would not celebrate
Christmas at all! Case in point, the Puritans outlawed the practice of
celebrating Christmas for over 20 years during the 17th century because it was
Lavinia, you may be celebrating Christmas, but who says EVERYONE must? You and
"Senator" Buttars need to read the Declaration of Independence and the
Constitution. When you do, you will probably be surprised to see that neither
tne name "Jesus" nor the title "Christ" appears in either. THIS IS NOT A
CHRISTIAN COUNTRY and it is not supposed to be. It is for everyone.You are free to say Merry Christmas, put it on your house, send it on cards to
everyone you know, etc. But you (and Buttars) have absolutely NO right to try to
force others to do the same. Forcing a Jewish or Muslim or atheist or pagan or
whatever shopkeeper to put Merry Christmas on his store is forcing your religion
on others. I know that is an old mormon tradition, but it is still wrong.
Buttars needs to be retired.The people of West Jordan should be
ashamed of themselves for re-electing him.
Are you serious? Our country is becoming less Christian? Last time I checked
this is a FREE COUNTRY that does not asribe to a particular religious
affiliation. You may be celebrating Christmas but December is home to 3,yes
THREE religious holidays. Yes, you should be able to say 'Merry
Christmas' without being sued but forcing Christian beliefs on non-Christians is
who cares what the bozo thinks, lets all just get a life and ignore him.
Are you NOT aware that the word "holiday" is short for HOLY DAY? There is NO "war against Christmas". NO ONE is trying to rename the HOLY
DAY. We ARE, however, protesting your need to prescribe which HOLY
DAY (among many) should be mentioned during a commercialized retail store
checkout and credit card scan.The only "war on Christmas" is being
committed by shoppers who have stomped one man to death and shot two others.
Maybe if Buttars (et al) knew the history (not the bs revisionist history) of
"Christmas" they'd all think twice about pushing for it. Lets get the Norsk God
Yule (born on the 25th of December) his day back, better yet, give us back the
Winter Solstice, the original pagan celebration that actually invented most of
what we associate with "Christmas", such as lights, decorating trees (prohibited
according to the bible I might add), etc. Whatever happened to FREE
enterprise? Can't the owners of a store advertise any way they want to? Must
we regulate everything to fit into Buttars narrow view of life? Get real.
Mr. Carlyle, until now I have only known one person who was offended by X-mas.
She was very uneducated, and thought that the X was "crossing out Christ."
Apparently you have the same idea. Actually, it is an abbreviation of Christmas,
using the Greek letter X (Chi), the first letter of Christ, to replace the whole
word. The abbreviation has been known and used for centuries.
Thanks West Jordan voters, jokes on all of us.
Buttars, this is not a "Christian Nation." Medieval Europe had Christian
nations. We don't want one.
Well, we would ignore this goofball if he were not wasting taxpayper money on
the time and resources for to attempt to advance this rubbish.
"We are celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, not "Holiday's" - Lavinia"CHRISTMAS is a religous holiday. Stop trying to make it otherwise." -
NateAhhh...nothing celebrates Christ like the word "Christmas"
forcibly placed in retail advertising, does it? The sad part is
that you fail to see the irony in your own posts and in your support for
Buttars'. What Buttars is proposing does not address the religious audience of
Christmas, rather the retail audience. Beyond that, as elected
State official, Buttars' has no business proposing legislation promoting
religion in any context. Contrary to his statement, this is not a Christian
nation, it is an American nation, some of whom happen to be Christian.
I think it's a shame that employers will not allow employees to say "Merry
Christmas". That is the issue. A law maker wants to send the message that it's
ok to say what you want at the work place. He's in favor of "Merry Christmas"
but I would believe he's fighting for the rights of our Jewish neighbors to say
"Happy Hanuka" (sp?) when someone walks into their Wal Mart.As long
has he's reelected Buttars is obviously spending his time as wisely as his
constituents want him to. I can name 100 other things Rocky spent time on that
wasted not only Salt Lakes money but the whole state.I'm sooooo glad
Rocky is gone!Merry Christmas all!
And West Jordan folk voted him back into office to waste tax payers time on
frivilous stuff. I say Merry Christmas and for sure I don't need any laws
telling me or anyone else what to say. What happened to freedom in America
o0oops I forgot this is Utah. Buttars deal with the economy, deal with the
unemployment and social issues and if you can't deal with them get another job
and bleed someone elses wallet over frivilous stuff. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
I don't agree completely with Buttars. But it is a little rediculous to imagine
a country where somebody can get fired because they choose to say Merry
Christmas instead of Happy Holidays.If you don't celebrate Christmas
that is fine. But I shouldn't be penalized because I do. I would rather shop
at a store that had a menorah in the window and large print that said "happy
hanukah" instead of a store that has sold out to left wing Political Correctness
and displays "happy non-religious holidays to you and your kin!"
Of Course there is a war on Christmas,MOre specifically there is a
war on christianity that has been going on a very long time.Of
course shopping has nothing to do with christianity or Christmas,but
is the modern commercialization of Christmas.And althought Christmas
has assimilated many pagan (which means peasant, the common folk) rituals of the
winter soltice, perhaps adding some festivity to the holiday.it
doesn't change what this day represents.Nor their attempts to remove
that meaning, Christ, from it.And making it completely secular,Ands substituting their own idols like santa, or making up something
else that has absolutely no meaning like kwanza.
CHristmas is so commericalized that is why Christmas has lost the true meaning -
the spirit of giving has got way out of reach - greed and snobbery abound,
keeping up with the Jones's. Christmas is based on religious beliefs and that
is where it belongs = not in political arenas.
Buttars isn't mandating that stores say "Merry Christmas". He just wants to
make it so stores cannot prevent employees from wishing a customer "Merry
Christmas". Next time, read the article and try to understand it before you
Chris is welcome to make any resolution he wants. The legislature is welcome to
ignore it. Let's not waste time on yet another ridiculous issue when people are
hurting and vital programs are facing budget cuts.
The first president to send out Christmas cards, as opposed to signed
photographs or letters, was FDR in 1933 saying, "Merry Christmas From the
President and Mrs. Roosevelt."In 1962, JFK had Hallmark print 2,000
cards, of which 1,800 cards said "The President and Mrs. Kennedy Wish You a
Blessed Christmas" and 200 said "With Best Wishes for a Happy New Year" to send
to non-Christians. LBJ continued that tradition for a couple of years, but it
required keeping track of Christian and non-Christian recipients. Beginning in
1966, they wished everyone a "Joyous Christmas," and no president has attempted
the two-card trick since.The wording since has often flip-flopped.
Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter put "Merry Christmas" in their 1977 card and then
switched to "Holiday Season" for the next three years. Ronald and Nancy Reagan,
similarly, began with a "Joyous Christmas" in 1981 and 1982 but doled out
generic holiday wishes from 1983 to 1988. The elder President Bush stayed in the
"Merry Christmas" spirit all four years, and the Clintons opted for inclusive
greetings for all of their eight years. The current Bush has straddled the
divide, offering generic greetings along with an Old Testament verse.
WOW. Years ago I lived in West Jordan in what is now Sen. Buttars district. A
few months ago, when Sen. Buttars embarassed our state with his racist and
homophobic slurs, I was convinced he did not really represent my former
neighbors. I assumed they voted him in based on what they believed he stood for,
and once he'd shown his true colors, they'd send a clear message they don't
share his hate and bigotry. But to my surprise, West Jordan has shown us that
Buttars and his ugly, hateful views do, in fact, represent their values. Which
leads me to say... WOW.
How about a resolution to eliminate people referring to Thanksgiving as Turkey
Day? There's an assault on Thanksgiving too!
All you Buttars haters need to take a step back and realize why he's doing what
he's doing. Little by little the Creator of this world is being pushed from the
front to the back of the "American", or christian, way of thinking. An Atheist
poster was placed in the capitol building in Olympia, WA yesterday, opposite the
nativity scene, to further promote equality. Many of those interviewed said that
although they didn't agree with the poster, they respected its being there. Talk
about CRAZY! If the atheists, or any other religion for that matter, want
equality they can create their own holiday. The truths of the standard works
still ring true and as the adversary can get us thinking less about Christ and
more about equality, the closer he is to realizing his purposes. Keep up the
good work Buttars!
All of you so called Christian's who are bent out of shape about loosing your
saviors holiday should do a little research on the true history of your beloved
holiday. YULE soon find out that Christmas has less to do with Christ than it
does with early AD politics. Do yourself a favor and research it! Research the
history, particulary in the US. Again, YULE be supprised!
Buttars was not re-elected by the fools living in West Jordan alone. His
district included fools living in South Jordan, too. You couldn't fit all those
morons into one city - it takes two.
Mr Buttars- this is a not a Christian Nation it is a free nation- you need to
read the CONSTITUTION, PLEASE!Shame on those in West Jordan that
elected the eternally ignorant- this is just the beginning of divisive
legislation Mr Buttars will introduce- I thought Republicans were for less
government- so, what is this Bill all about? More government telling me what I
can and can't do!UNBELIEVABLE!
I don't need a feel good resolution that wastes tax payers money to tell me how
I "should" run my business. Throw the bum out of office, obviously he doesn't
understand why he is there.
I read the article. Buttars is way out of line.As an employer, if
my policy is for employees to greet customers with "Happy Holidays" instead of
"Merry Christmas", that is noone's concern but my own. If the employee doesn't
like it, they are free to find other employment. It's no different than a dress
code in that regard. If the customers don't like it, they are free to do
business elsewhere. If they are offended by me including all religions in my
greetings, I don't want their money anyway.If the state legislature
doesn't like it, they can sit back and shut their mouths. They have no business
dictating my business practices to me, particularly those that would be
religiously founded. In fact, that Buttar's is using an elected position to
promote ANY religious position should have him looking for other employment. In
any state but Utah, that would be the case.
Nothing anyone has said chnages waht the bill is all about:FREE
SPEECH!the freedom of speech to say "merry christmas", which some
stores and placse have prohibited their employees from exercising with threats
of being fired.How can anyone be against the Freedom of
Speech,regardless of how you personally feel about person who proposed the
bill?Is your Hate so much more important that your freedom of
:) West Jordan :) Ha! Heeee heee thanks for the continued
Reminds me of the same Buttars from South Park! HAHA!
Way to go Butters.Thats right. Put "Christ" back into Christmas.
how is it when "the truth" writes its always anything but the truth. Pagans
where not and are not "Peasants" and Kwanza is a real holiday. People like the
truth and Buttars are always demanding respect but think nothing of using
demeaning lies about others.
To: HonestyEmployees don't have freedom of speech. You don't
understand the Constitution. According to your theory, any employee could say
Merry (beeping) Christmas and the owner of the store couldn't do a thing about
that--wrong!Employees have all kinds of policies and procedures that
they are required to follow if they want to stay employed. If the boss wants
"Happy Holidays" instead of something else, and they want to keep their job,
then they need to be a professional and do what is required.
My favorite Christmas carol:'Tis the season to be greedy,Gimme
Gimme Gimme and gimme some more.Spend your money down at WalmartGimme Gimme Gimme and Gimme some more.Y'know, maybe my friends at
the Jehovah's Witness church have a good idea. Worship God and forget the crass
commercialism of the day.
Buttars has fallen off the rocker.West Jordan voters: what in the
he(ck) were you thinking.How about a recall vote in West Jordan.
Seems Republicans are in favor of those.Happy Holidays to
everyone.And have happy new year too.I am a Mormon, and
a conservative. Buttars needs to go.Oh, and have Happy Holidays,
I am sick and tired of people saying this country was founded on "Christian
Principals" Do some history and read before making such ignorant comments!
I support Mr. Buttars resolution. It is not a waste of time to preserve the
values that are the strength of our nation and society. Christmas and
Christianity are under attack by the world's popular culture. Our nation was
founded with religious freedom as a central right for each citizen. A
resolution that supports religious liberty is one of the better ways a
government can take action. May each of you have a Merry Christmas!
okay there isn't every any Hanukkah decorations up in store. But there are
CHRISTMAS decorations up. It really doesn't matter what is said but if you
really get offended by people saying anything but happy holiday's then the
stores need to put up something other than a CHRISTMAS tree. Honestly who really
cares what someone says. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa, and
Happy Holiday's to all!
December Holidays include, but are not limited to (in no particular order): Hanukkah Christmas Kwanzaa New Years
Eve Pearl Harbor Day The official end of WWII Boxing
Day Maritime Day Winter Solstice Forefathers Day
(celebrating the landing of the Pilgrims at Plymouth) Celebration of the
Boston Tea Party Bill of Rights Day St. Lucy Day Feast
of Our Lady of Guadalupe Human Rights Day St. Nicholas Day
Volunteer Day International Day of Disabled Persons Rosa Parks
Day Seems a little egocentric and rude to demand YOUR holiday
be the only one to get any recognition...
Way to go "the truth" you win the prize (again). Of all the
ridiculous comments on this board, yours is the most ridiculous.
Congratulations! Nope, wait, I might be wrong, Butters is Right!
might be taking that dubious honor. But you are still in the running "the truth"
Okay "Honesty" is gaining ground for most ridiculous comment.
Ding, ding, ding... and the winner is "the truth!"
Anyone who gets offended by someone saying Merry Christmas needs to get a life
as does everyone who gets offended by someone saying Happy Holidays or anything
else. It's all a way of greeting people. Oh and CAPS LOCK you forgot Yule on
your list. Seriously people when someone says Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas,
or anything along those line just smile and say thank you and get over it.
I am Catholic so I say Merry Christmas. If a person celebrating Kwanza wished me
a happy that, fine. But I must say that in stores I want to hear
Merry Christmas. Over 90% of the purchases made in November and December are
Christmas presents. So it's pretty ridiculous to me to try to be inclusive so
folks celebrating the Winter Solstice or Festivus! Pretty soon Happy Halloween
won't be said anymore or trick or treat - (it's extortion) After all Columbus
Day also takes place in October, oh wait it's now Explorer's Day. So soon it
will be Happy scary, harvest, dress up, pumpkin, journey day. Oh boy!Yes, Hanukkah has a present exchange but it's more of a religious holiday in
the true sense. Actually our priest said a family in the parish was going to
give their kids each 3 and only 3 presents this year, because Jesus received 3
gifts from the Wise Men for his birthday. They are trying to get away from all
the stuff and focus more on the reason for the season. A step in the right
Anonymous | 3:09, first off you missed spelled my name, at least you can get
that right. second i doubt hollywood, greeting cards, or your corner drug store
cares where and what xmas means. x is in place of christ thats all what 90
percent of americans think. too bad you dont use your useless knowledge for good
instead of being anti christ?
Senator, you are a misguided soul. Certainly there must be something more
important on which to windbag. Anyway, most of us don't care. And, I figure 'the
holidays', that retail season from black friday through to the gift return
season after boxing day most definitely includes christmas. It also includes
every other holiday that can be determined, real or imaginary, onto which one
can piggyback a gigantic blowout electronics or mattress sale.
Gee, I always thought a Christian was judged by actions, not by words. I would
rather that a retailer, who is motivated by greed and getting as much money as
possible for something he/she is selling, say Happy Holidays, and not try to
pretend to be a Christian and say Merry Christmas. With all the holidays, both
sacred and profane in December, ambiguity seems like the best option.
yet more big government by REPUBLICANS telling private business how they should
operate their business. I guess this is the norm by Republicans now since Bush
nationalized banks, insurance and auto industries.
Anyone who cares could two seconds to look up the meaning and etymology of the
word "pagan",Ypou wil find it l;iterally means the country folk.Later oinb it took on the menaing heathean or anyone who wasn;t
christian,Interestingly, it now seems is is the liberals who are
the heathans,while it is the country folk who are god fearing
christian people,I guess the scriptures are true when itsays in the
latter days good will be call bad and bad will called good,everything certainly does seem to bew upside down.Anyways, I will
be waiting for an apology I expect will NOT be forth coming.
I probably shouldn't be suprised how easily the liberals here are willing to
give up their freedom of speech.I shouldn't be suprised, how willing
they are to give up FREE Speech Rights to anyone they believe is over them,But I am.Its not wonder they are willing give government so
much power over them, at a just promise it will take care of them,they don't even bat an eye at it just thinking they might lose their paycheck
if don't abrogate their rights at work.
This IS important and is worthy of the legislature's time. I'm new to Utah, but
I like this resolution of Mr. Buttars. The sole of a nation, a state, a city is
much more important the the "fiscal" matters. That's what this effort tries to
emphasize, in my opinion. I will continue to say "Merry Christmas" every chance
I get. I will also say "Happy Thanksgiving". It may not seem like much to many
people who haven't thought this through, but there is a world of difference
between those sayings and the generic/secular "Happy Holidays".Merry
I would like to know which retailer said that to its employees as I would make
sure not to buy anything at that store. I have lots of choices for any product
and I don't have to put up with that kind of nonsense.
Although Sen. Buttars may thrive on negative energy, it is refreshing to know
that he is outweighed by those who sincerely embrace diversity and connect to
one another in love and acceptance. Perhaps one day he will allow the Light to
enter his life so he can also thrive on positive energy.
Leave Mr. Buttars alone. If you disagree with somebody, especially somebody
moral and religious, why do you have to throw rocks at him? That kind of
behavior seems to run rampant in this community. First you throw rocks at our
churches and now you throw verbal rocks at our member. For what? Because he
wants to celebrate the Birthday of our savior. If you don't like it, celebrate
the birthday of your savior and I promise we will leave you alone and not throw
Jake, I think the criticism of Senator Buttars is NOT that we are throwing rocks
at Churches AND him, but rather that he is a lawmaker, and has announced what he
proposes to do AS a lawmaker, a public servant. Being a public servant means
that you open yourself up to the marketplace of ideals (as John Stuart Mills put
it), and he is feeling the brunt of that marketplace. Public opinion is how the
public makes their opinions known. No, Senator Buttars is NOT wanting to
celebrate the birth of our Savior in his Resolution (which, by the way, is
non-binding... how resolute!), but rather to allow people who work for private
industry to say "Merry Christmas" to their customers without fearing for their
jobs. I always felt the Christmas spirit was spread not be greetings from store
employees, but from the acts of service and the love for one another that we
display and feel, which require no visits to malls or big box retailers.
Perhaps, as you suggest, my Savior is different than yours.
.I usually stay in my Village most of December. They has been doing Christmas
Music at Wal-Mart since just after Halloween. My and most Hawaiians Favorite
Radio Station is playing Mostly Secular Christmas Music. The older stuff is
extremely sexist. I have switched to another Station till January. I
agree with Butters, It is Christmas and that should be the greeting and
Christmas is the only reason for this Season. I have No reason to buy you a
present because it is the Holidays. You would mostly get a Gift Card these days
any way. Tule at my house is anything bought after Thanksgiving
counts for Christmas and you can use it or play with it. But do not complain on
Christmas Morning that all you have is stocking stuffers.I like to
hear Merry Christmas and when I hear Happy Holidays I respond "it Christmas." I
usually get "get yes but we have to say" and I just nod.Apparently
the Store is more afraid of the Anti Christmas People then they are of me. I live in a land of many faiths, and a lot of people do not do
Christmas. However they enjoy ours. Exchange Gifts etc.
Yesterday I contacted Target to thank them for using Merry Christmas in their
advertisements, and I received a very gracious reply from them. I think it's
important to let our desires be known to retailers, government officials, etc.
Just hoping everyone has a happy holiday season; including Mr. Buttars.
If people want a retailer to say Merry Christmas, talk to the retailer. Leave
government out of it. I heard on the news that Costco is one who is only saying
Happy Holidays. If you don't like it, tell them so. If they get enough
complaints, maybe they will change their policy. Especially if the complaintants
take their money elsewhere. We need to get out of the mentality that government
is there to fix everything!
Alright, Buttars! I love this guy, because he has the courage to say the right
thing! There is a cultural war in our country; the wheat is being separated
from the tares. We have to decide which side we stand on. Either we are for
the Lord or we're not. I'm so sick and tired of expressions like "Holidays" and
"Xmas". It's time to put Christ, Our Lord and Savior, back into the equation.
I applaud his work!
Buttars was re-elected to get the people's business done. Not make up work for
the senate to do. Senator Buttars get to work and stop wasting our time on
Stupid bills like this one. If you can't do this get out of the way so someone
Change, Change, Change - thats the old/new mantra.What once was
Christmas is now Happy Holidays - wouldn't want to offend.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL .....and to all "YOUR UPTIGHT"
But Jake, it is Buttars that isn't leaving us alone. He is trying to tell us
what we should say, and it happens to be exalting his and your savior.And, Buttars may be religious, but he isn't very moral.
This is not wasting anyone's time. Our country is in danger of losing freedoms
such as this basic freedom of speech. We start restricting what greetings we
can use and eventually it will be all, "Hail, Hitler." I appreciate
legislators with the guts to uphold our Constitutional rights and the
Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and
to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." We are
promised the right to say, "Merry Christmas"if we want to and retailers
have no right to restrict their employees' speech in this way. They also have
no right to restrict their people from saying "Happy Hanukkah" or "Happy
Kwanzaa," etc.Unfortunately common sense is not common and
legislation or resolutions must be presented to help the ignorant to recognize
what is right and what is wrong. Thanks, Chris, for having the guts to bring
difficult, seemingly small issues to the forefront before out freedoms are all
taken from us. And, good for West Jordan for providing a little balance.
Trying to get the government, whether federal, state, or local, to pass a
resolution requiring businesses to allow folks to say 'Merry Christmas' is a
foolhardy and wasteful endeavor. It will have to be the consumers and
patrons of these businesses sounding their voices (both literally and
monitarily) to enact a change in 'Merry Christmas' allowed to be said.Sen.
Buttars, have you been secretly drinking the bong water again?
WHAT A JOKE!!! Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, THE IDEA IS TO COME TOGETHER,
BE ONE WITH THE WORLD REMEMBERING CHRIST BIRTH AND BE WITH YOUR FAMILY!!! (AND
RESPECT WHAT OTHERS BELIEVE)
Dear Stupidity,The same "idiots" that re-elected him also elected
Obama, Clinton two times and all the other idiots of their ilk who populate
Washington, D.C. And this nation WAS founded as a Christian nation but finds
itself falling on its face precisely because it not rejects that very principle.
Our Legislators must be out of things to do, once again. Hey Chris, how about
that economy? Not ugly enough to deal with yet?
I know there is no way would Jesus shop at store that says "HAPPY
HOLIDAYS"!!!He would only do his x-mas shopping at a proper "Christian Big
Box Retailer".I think he would also only go into major debt by using an
approved "CHRIST-LIKE" credit card.So let it be written, so let it be
Christmas = Christmas. I say happy halloween on halloween, I say Happy
Thanksgiving on Thansgiving, I thank Veterans on Veterans day. Merry Chistmas
Yes, common sense is not common and you have none. Retailers are PRIVATE
businesses. They have every right to tell their EMPLOYEES what to say. Freedom
of speech does NOT give employees the right to say anything they want, at least
if they want to stay employed. Otherwise, when the next customer calls, I could
just tell them to get bent. Would my boss like this? No. The ignorance is all
Senator Buttars is awesome! Who else can provide this much entertainment?
Who else has such an uncanny resemblance to the scrooge? I can hardly
wait to find out what you have in store for us in January when the legislative
session starts!Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Are you simple? I would bet that less than 1% of the people who voted for
butters also voted for Obama. The only way I can think of where that would be
the case is if butters kids voted for him. But then Ill bet that his kids are
embarrassed and dont vote for him.
Buttars is why the Republican Party is leaving me. Let religion worry about
this issue, not a State Senator. This is not an issue the State can resolve
regardless of where you stand. Let the market dictate this, or is that too
I am a Christian so I have no problem in saying merry Christmas but to legislate
it is wrong you would not want to force someone who does not celebrate Christmas
to have to say it, so I say no to Gayle Ruzicka's ..I mean her puppet Chris
buttars (yesterdays worst person in the world according to Keith Olbermann on
MSNBC's Countdown selected our local homophobic, racist, buffoon of a state
senator as last night's "World's Worst Person".Congratulations
Senator Buttars. Once again you've embarrassed our state with your shameful
Good News! More positive press for Utah. Buttars was the Worst person on
Countdown last night.Happy Festivus!
If people wish you a happy anything, it's rude to correct them. Happy birthday,
happy Thanksgiving, happy holidays, happy Christmas to everybody.
Are we in danger or not?Do you support governmental restrictions on
free speech, or not?WHY do you support Buttars bill that would
suppress free speech....after your speech about rights?All *I* want
from a merchant, when I spend my money, is my stuff...and a "thank you". I do
NOT want a pre-prescribed speech.
You would think Buttars would lay low with his remarks and thank his lucky stars
that he was reelected.
There is a difference between free speech and business speech. Business/store
signaqe and messaging are business speech and that doesn't come with the same
protections. Business speech doesn't come with a fairness clause. Businesses can communicate to customers however they see fit. These messages
are vetted through focus groups of customers, etc. and the businesses adjust to
target their core customers. It's called MARKETING!
As a proud self-identifying atheist, I take no umbrage at hearing or saying
Merry Christmas during the holiday season. Say whatever you want; this is not
an issue worth getting worked up over. But I do take umbrage at calling the USA
a "Christian Nation." I doubt there's ever been a more dangerous, slippery
slope in history than the intertwining of religion and politics...Man, another long four years with Buttars in the Senate...and now he's got
more power than ever under the new leadership!!! Will Utah ever change...
UTAH GAVE HIM A MANDATE TO CONTINUE WITH HIS PEA BRAIN PHILOSPHY OF MICROBISM.
I DID'T THINK HE HAD ANY POLITICAL CAPITAL TO SPEND.
re: re: cork | 8:01 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008 >>And this nation WAS founded
as a Christian nation but finds itself falling on its face precisely because it
not rejects that very principle.
Yet another example of religious folk worrying about what other people are
doing. When someone wishes you well by saying happy holidays or seasons
greeting, just say thank you and be happy for the well wishes.If
they would spend as much time just living their religion instead of making sure
others don't do something they find offensive they might actually start enjoying
life. There are more people on this planet than just you. Learn to
live with us all!
If Christmas is so important because it is the celebration of the birth of Jesus
Christ, then why do you all allow it to be celebrated at the wrong time of year?
Personally, I would be very unhappy if people celebrated my birthday at the
wrong time of year and then got upset because those who had a legitimate reason
to celebrate at that time of year were being recognized along with my birthday.
Sorry folks, but Buttars is right on this one so get off his back. Christmas
day is a federal holiday signed into law by Pres. Ulysses S. Grant. By law it
is called Christmas, not Holiday or Festivus, or whatever. Greetings should
reflect the name of the holiday. Martin Luther King day is Martin Luther King
day not civil rights day. If you don't like the name then I suggest you
petition Congress to change the name. Good luck with that!
I'm all for Buttars' Merry Christmas as long as the retailors agree not to start
advertising Christmas before Halloween.
What a complete waste of time. There are far more important issues that our
legislature should be focused on.
Even Scrooge and Tiny Tim know you keep Christmas in your heart. How can
anything anyone else says or doesn't say affect the joy and reverence you choose
to feel about celebrating your "holy day?" There are so many joy-filled
occasions being celebrated this time of year, celebrating the return of light to
the world - why would you get nit picky about a hearty, neighborly greeting?Retailers are catering to celebrants of quite a number of celebrations.
Would you burden them with having to display and advertise to each group
individually? Silly.Thanks for attempting to wrest the last little
bit of "peace on earth, goodwill to all" out of this traditionally festive
season. Bah, humbug! brother.
I support Senator Buttars on this one. I hope his resolution gets adopted.
This nation was founded on religious freedom.The issue here is the
attacks on Christianity are really attacks on the very religious freedom
opponents purport to uphold.Unconventional though it may be, I think
the senator is on to something here.Frankly, I wish my life were
easy and/or so uncomplicated that I had time to be offended over whether or not
someone said "Merry Christmas" to me, vs. "Happy Holidays."I mean,
really. These stores are worried about offending non-Christiean shoppers? If
they're offended, let them be!Come on, people. The message in
"Merry Christmas" or "Happy Haunukka" or "Happy Kwanza" or whatever else one may
believe in is that of HAPPINESS and PEACE and JOY. It's not about shoving
beliefs down one another's throats. It's about spreading the message of love.If you're offended by *that*, then you have far bigger issues to deal
wow-what an incredible waste of governmental time and
resources....unbelievable that A: you would take the time to make a resolution,
and B: someone would take the time to report on it...
...this is coming from the person who made the reference to a bad bill being a
"black baby". Buttars, shut up.
LOL LOL LOL (Still LOLing) This isn't a "Christian" Nation, but a nation
founded on the need and desire to ESCAPE religious persecution and thus respect
other's beliefs. Some of you need to study history a bit more apparently. If
saying Happy Holidays offends you than thats just silly. Silly Rabbit Senator
Buttars has clearly proved he hasnt had a proper education on US history or
apparently even Christs teachings for that matter. In a world so weary and full
of REAL wars and such, its a travesty anyones even thinking about such petty
intolerant things. Anyone who seeks to limit non- violent personal freedoms
doesnt belong in government, especially one who also seeks to add bigotry as a
family value, aka his infamous racist statements. Yes, shame on him and anyone
else who agrees with that ridiculousness. Just as much as ppl have a right to
freedom of religion, they have a RIGHT to freedom FROM religion. And again, if
youve STUDIED history you will know, this nation was NOT founded on Christianity
but people who sought freedom from religious PERSECUTION. Forcing your beliefs
on others is NOT WHAT JESUS WOULD DO.
FUNNY COMING FROM A MEMBER OF A PARTY THAT GOT US HERE INTO THIS WONDERFUL
ECONOMY!!! WAY TO GO "W"
LOL LOL LOL (Still LOLing) This isn't a "Christian" Nation, but a
nation founded on the need and desire to ESCAPE religious persecution and thus
respect other's beliefs. Some of you need to study history a bit more
apparently. Silly Rabbit Senator Buttars has clearly proved he hasnt had a
proper education on US history or apparently even Christs teachings for that
matter. In a world so weary and full of REAL wars and such, its a travesty
anyones even thinking about such petty intolerant things. Anyone who seeks to
limit non- violent personal freedoms doesnt belong in government, especially one
who also seeks to add bigotry as a family value, aka his infamous racist
statements. Yes, shame on him and his ridiculousness. Just as much as ppl have a
right to freedom of religion, they have a RIGHT to freedom FROM religion. And
again, if youve STUDIED history you will know, this nation was NOT founded on
Christianity but people who sought freedom from religious PERSECUTION. Forcing
your beliefs on others is NOT WHAT JESUS WOULD DO.
This is another clear example of why Universities around the Nation teach that
Utah has not progressed past about the 1960's. Senator Buttars makes me feel
like I'm living in a 1950's horror movie. HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
What about the War on Thanksgiving? Christmas has been holding Thanksgiving
hostage for years and is now threatening Halloween! If we don't act quickly
Christmas could soon swallow up the 4th and 24th of July celebrations reaching
dangerously close to Easter and Valentine's days within a few short years and
eventually leaving President's day the only celebratory buffer between holiday
seasons. Once it has reached that point scientists fear that there is a very
real possibly that Christmas could consume itself, tearing a hole in the
space/time continuum and destroying the world as we know it. Please Mr.
Buttars, save us from this seemingly inevitable doom, I beg you!
This is your tax money hard at work. Shouldn't he be spending time on something
that matters, like finding a way to finish trax and frontrunner?
This is a bogus issue. Senator Butters cannot defend his positions on any
substanitve issue so he uses an emotional one to hide his stance on meaningful
legislation. It's a con game. Don't fall for it. Mom, apple pie,
Christmas,tradition, values, easy to sell to Utah.The people of
West Jordan must be morons.
Thanks to all those in west and south jordan who continue to give us the most
pathetic, simple minded, reactionary, and worst senator in the country. I guess
he does represent those of you who are stupid enough to vote for him. "Im an
idiot and this guy is just like me".
Maybe, Buttars will have (dare I say) a come to Jesus moment like Bill O'reilly
who is now a secular guy. BillO had a Mendenhall like quest in his
alleged War against Christmas a few yrs ago when Secular progressives were the
bane of existence.
If there's a war against Christmas going on, whoever is waging it needs to do a
better job. No one is threatening to throw anyone in jail for saying
"Merry Christmas." No one is suggesting that Christians should be prevented from
worshiping Jesus and commemorating his birth at Christmas. Some are
trying to say that retailers forbidding their employees from saying "Merry
Christmas" is a violation of free speech, but as private institutions, they have
the right to do that. Target has the right to forbid its employees from telling
customers they should shop at Wal-Mart instead. Stores have the right to stop
employees from using profanity or graphic language in front of customers.The real violation of free speech would be if an elected governing body
such as the Utah Legislature were to dictate that people or organizations
should use a religious greeting, even when they've made a conscious decision to
Buttars is the Super Dell of the south valley. Oh wait...
re; will | 9:57 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008 >>I'm all for Buttars' Merry
Christmas as long as the retailors agree not to start advertising Christmas
You all need to get a life...First of all, the only thing that
happened is that Buttars opened a file. He opened many files. What that means
for you media sheep is that he gives himself the opportunity to pursue this if
he choses. It is a housekeeping action that is required for all resolutions or
legislations that might be pursued.Second...We are talking about a
non-binding resolution...not legislation. Please re-read...non-binding
resolution, not legislation.Third...There is nothing in this file.
It is empty. The intent, content, and purpose at this point is not clear. Only
the title exists and way too much is being inferred from a title. Bills,
resolutions, and such rarely are accuratley represented by their original
titles. This is just more of you venting your spleens. If anything...this should point out to all of you media sheep how our beloved
media has a big bulls-eye on Buttars. If anything...I would say shame on the
trib and dnews for reporting this as a story. It is a non-event.Get
Can we please act like a free country? We are not a "Christian Nation". We
are a free nation where everyone is free to worship as they choose. And I would
invite all who post here to know and really understand the history of the
holidays they cherish before throwing stones. For example, if you are
so determined to have this celebration be about the birth of Christ then perhaps
you would celebrate in September (look it up) and let December 25th remain as
the feast of the Son of Isis where some of these traditions come from. Open your
bible to Jeremiah 10 and read about the prohibition on cutting down and
decorating trees before insisting that this is a "Holy" tradition. I
don't seriously suggest the holidays need to be changed but we all need to
remember that they HAVE changed. I urge everyone to really KNOW the roots of the
holiday before saying things like "It has always been... and it will always
As a healer, Jesus would be too busy solving healthcare AND OTHER ISSUES THAT
MATTER rather than how we greet each other on his birthday.Blame the
small 'christian' minds that inhabit Buttars' district.
To Grundle: An elected official proposes a bill that, if passed,
would result in the government taking a stance to promote one religion over
another and you say shame on the papers for reporting it? As an
elected legislator, everything Buttars says relating to bills or the legislature
is rightfully open to scrutiny by the media. It doesn't matter that he hasn't
officially filed the bill or that it's non-binding. He's one of the people who
controls how our taxes are spent and what laws we have to follow. The papers
would truly be "media sheep" if they failed to report on what he does and
says.If the media are more focused on Buttars than most it's because
he's proven himself more likely to bring up bills and topics that are
controversial. Whether you agree with him or not, it's the media's
job to tell the public what he's doing.
None of us yet know the wording of the resolution but, judging from the article,
it sounds like a good idea. My impression is that the resolution wont push
anyone to say, Merry Christmas, but will instead merely encourage employers to
ALLOW their employees to say it if they wish. In other words, its
just saying to employers, Wait it isnt right to prohibit your employees from
using traditional Christmas greetings. But, for a few of you, this is merely
another convenient jump-on-Buttars opportunity because you disagree with some of
his other political views.
All those who are so adamant about down-crying this controversy are exactly what
this resolution is about (notice; it is a resolution, not a law). It's the
apathy of this nation that will eventually make it weaker.I believe
that there should not be anyone fearful of offending someone because that person
says 'Merry Christmas'! Talk about ridiculous! This is just plain silly. The
unfortunate thing is that these people exist. By saying this, no one is trying
to convert you to any type of religion. It's a simple gesture of seasonal cheer
and should be taken as such. We have plenty of things to be offended about
(lyrics in popular songs, movies, media in general, workplace talk, etc.). This
shouldn't be one of them...I applaud Sen. Buttars in his stance
towards letting everyone know where he stands. We should all do the same!The United States of America was founded on Jewdeo/Christian values! Why
is this such a hard thing to accept?! I am grateful for this heritage and my
christian upbringing. This time of year is as much a celebration of Christ's
birth as it is our Nations heritage. No one should be offended by that!
It is true that a majority of the founding fathers considered themselves
Christian, but this should not matter to Utah because Mormonism is not
considered a Christian religion. Evangelicals consider Mormonism a cult.
Catholics will not recognize a Mormon baptism for a Mormon to Catholic convert.
Presbyterians, Methodists, and Lutherans all reject the Mormon/Christian claim
because Mormons reject the trinity.
Maybe I am reading too much into this story. The issue should be that at this
time of the year, we, Christians celebrate Christmas....by behaving as
Christians, such as being kind to one another, whether they believe as we do or
not. Me thinks Mr. Butters is more concerned with the merchants getting people
into their store. Lets hear it for more make nice and less mauling
at the mall.
Tuesday night Keith Oberman selected Mr. Buttars as "The worst person in the
world." I'd say the clown (Buttars) isn't that bad but doesn't he
have anything more important on his agenda? Teaching Creationism to
6 year old? Increasing "Sin" taxes?But why am I bothering myself
with this, the man doesn't deserve this much attention!
The media doesn't have a bulls eye set on Buttars.It's the STUPIDITY
of Senator Buttars that attracts all of his media attention.
The religious right in this country is still paranoid, fear-based, dumb, and
struggling to hold itself together with non-issues like this. I find it
extremely amusing shaundenfraude and hope it continues, since the last election
demonstrated that it is obviously not working with most of the country. Bill
O'Reilly and Rush can claim responsibility for this state of affairs. Let's
keep them in business, since they are clearly the leader of a lost
cause....Please, PLEASE run Sarah Palin in 2012!
Why not elect people who cares about school, public transport, economy and
jobs!!!Senator Buttars, I think is time to go home and play with
your grankids and teach about Christmas and let another politician do THE
JOB.WE HAVE A LOT TO DO NOW THAN FIGHT ABOUT SAYING MERRY CHRISTMAS
OR HAPPY HOLIDAYS. I LIKE BOTH, I BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND I REMEMBER HIM ALL YEAR,
NOT FOR DECEMBER ONLY!!!
NICE WORK BUTTARS!!! I DIDNT KNOW I HAVE A VOLUNTEER FOR THIS HOLIDAY
Honoring the god Saturn was the REAL "reason for the season", until those
plagiarizing Christians came along and appropriated the date, without so much as
a howdy-doo or a thank ye.So, a merry "Io, Saturnalia" to all, and
to all a good night.
I wish that Butter's from South Park would replace this Chris Buttars I am
certain he would do a better job. This clown needs to go on mission to Africa
were he can actually help someone instead of making Utah look like the
I heard the legislature is planning to do a live nativity scene this year. The
parts for Mary, Joseph, the wise Men and the Shepherds are all up for grabs. The
part of Donkey has already been taken by Chris Butters.
I think you should read and learn more about other religions, please do it, what
you have said is just IGNORANCE and doesnt make any sense with the article.I was catholic and there is a lot of things that can be questioned about the
Catholic Church, BUT we are not here discusing about doctrine and churches!
Growing up, I was taught that the gifts and sugar and plastic junk part of
Christmas was a fun but self-indulgent party. The religious aspect was what we
celebrated with reverence at church. Thank goodness Buttars was there to
straighten me out and inform me that crass consumerism and mass consumption is
what it is truly all about. The true alter of the Lord is the cash register and
the true meaning of Christmas involves maxing out your credit card to buy
plastic trash from China.Holy, holy, holy, cha-ching, praise the Lord and if you
try to grab the last tickle me Elmo, I will trample you in the name of Jesus.
1) "Happy Holidays" doesn't exclude Christmas. It simply acknowledges that
within just over 30 days we have Thanksgiving, New Year's Day, Hannukah, Eid,
and even Kwanzaa as well as Christmas. People say "Happy Holidays" as shorthand
to listing a paragraph of various celebrations.2) I thought Chris
Buttars, being a Republican, would believe in the Free Market. Believe me, if
stores thought saying "Merry Christmas" would result in higher sales, they'd be
saying it to you every six feet. If Wal-Mart's research - and they spend
thousands of dollars a year trying to figure this stuff out - told them their
sales would increase if they had singing cashiers, we'd have to listen to
semi-employed sophomores warbling "Deck the Halls" offkey. The Free Market has
spoken on what works best for retailers - so I guess Chris is a socialist at
"He that is without sin among you, let him cast a stone...""And they
which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one
beginning at the eldest, even unto the last..."MERRY CHRISTMAS
Yeay lets all jump on the social pariah!!!
Gee Badger...do you know the contents of the NON_BINDING resolution...Oh...never
mind there isn't any.Hmmm. you seem very concerned that the media
report on everything Buttars does...Are you as concerned about what your senator
has opened up? I think you ought to start there and give him/her a call.The media has focused on Buttars to a ridiculous degree. When opening a
file on a non-binding resolution with no text makes the front page of the trib,
it becomes silly. I guess it sells papers though.
I'm in for a hundred bucks if his Bishop will call he and his wife on a mission.
Anyone else with me?
The United States of America is not, nor has it ever been, a "Christian" nation.
America is NOT leading the world and prospering because it is a "Christian"
nation, and it will not fall and be destroyed if it abandons "Christian"
principles, words, and holidays. Christianity is NOT what makes America great,
and therefore, a loss of Christianity in public discourse will NOT make America
crumble.Buttars, along with a bunch of other fanatic Christians and
Mormons, are taking a page out of the operating manula of the Taliban and
Islamic fundamentalist wackos. We need to fight such extremism everywhere it
manifests itself! The war on Terrorism must include a war on ALL religious
extremism such as the idiocy of Chris Buttars!
festivus, festivusjust makes so much senseno offense tohannukah, pilgrimage or lentjoin hands as one throngcelebrating lightquaff and gnosh at the buffetand soon all will be
I thought Butters died?
I don't see any other legislator in two articles in the paper today.Maybe he gets re-elected cuz he knows how to work it.
West Jordan had their chance to send this d-bag packing but didnt take it. Now
they will continue to look like complete fools. All so some blowhard can spout
off for gayle. Its disgusting.
Geez! I love the Butters face lift. I wonder if the devil helped him out?
A lot of people think this is a joke but I think that it's a viable issue. Many
people said they don't want to impose their beliefs on anyone. By not allowing
people to express their holiday wishes as Merry Christmas (as this retail store
did) is imposing beliefs upon someone. If it takes legislation to
ensure that people retain their freedom of speech then I'm for it.
BruceAs a Catholic I am upset by your comment about how the Catholic
chuch won't accept LDS baptism. I must remind you that if I a baptsized Catholic
were to convert to the LDS church I would need to be baptized by the LDS church.
Stop focusing on our differences. Evangelicals, Catholics and LDS
all say Merry Christmas.
Do you not know what he means? He's not asking you to stop celebrating (or not
celebrating) other holidays in the holiday season. He's not even asking people
to stop saying "Happy Holidays." He's just trying to get the point across that
it should ALWAYS be ok to say "Merry Christmas." Who wants to worry about the PC
of saying the name of the actual holiday they're trying to celebrate? It's a
Christian holiday celebrating Christ's birth. So...Merry Christmas!
If this is a "Christian nation" populated by Christians, then how can Christians
be in danger of losing their grip on the country? The only way this even makes
sense is if Christians are a minority - in which case Merry Christmas would be
applicable to fewer people and Happy Holidays would be the best greeting.So, are Christians a minority trying to force their will on the
majority? Or are they a majority who just need a good excuse to whine?
Joe,You are right. Christmas is not about shopping; it's about
giving. If we boycut those stores that refuse to say Merry Christmas, you will
see how fast they will change their tune. The percentage they don't want to
offend will not be enought to bring in the mighty dollars that convert into
The Christian-Right is calling for a boycott of stores that don't promote/say
"Merry Christmas" and to vote with their shopping dollars.These are
the same people that berated the Anti-Prop 8 folks for suggesting a boycott of
companies that supported/donated towards the passage of Prop 8. The
sad thing is that you don't even see the hypocrisy is your actions. Pretty sad.
I said "Bah Humbug" to Buttars at the election booth this fall -- disappointed
my fellow West Jordan residents didn't agree and voted this guy back in.Happy Holidays -- Merry Christmas -- Good tidings of great joy -- Chag
Sameach -- Kujichagulia -- Let's all play nice and enjoy the cultural beauty
that diversity brings.
Sen. Chris Buttars, I was raised in the Mennonite Church, and both of my parents
were protestants. On the street where I was raised, my neighbors were Mormons,
Roman Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Armenian Orthodox, Mennonites, Buddhists,
Shintos as well as atheists and agnostics. All were American citizens. My next
door neighbors were Japanese. The father was a Buddist and a Shinto. Both of his
two sons were born in the Manzanar Japanese Concentration Camp. Both served in
the U.S. Army when they became young men.I live in downtown Los Angeles,
and within a mile of my office, there are six Buddhist Temples, a Jewish Temple,
the Catholic Cathedral, a Zen Temple, several Protestant Churches, as well as an
Islamic Temple and a LDS facility near USC. All are American! Mr. Dobson and
Senator Buttars, you did not serve in the U.S. Military, and may not understand,
but when I served in Vietnam, freedom of religion, and the other freedoms in the
Bill of Rights was what I was fighting for. I was not fighting to institute a
First Amendment - Religion and Expression:Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of
the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress
"We have a war on Christmas," Buttars said.Perhaps General Chris
"Patton" Buttars should ask Santa for a combat helmet and camouflage outfit so
he can better participate in this battle?
If being told "Happy Holidays" ruins Christmas for you, you really need to
rethink your religious convictions. I don't celebrate it but I get upset when I
am greeted with a "Merry Christmas" I just smile and say "the same to you". I
don't think it's important to the spirit of Christmas or any other holiday to be
reminded that it's the (insert holiday here) season.
K, you would not be allowed to use your Catholic Baptism to become Mormon.
Mormons require a full immersion baptism and yours as a Catholic was not. Even
if you had a full immersion baptism, such as the Baptists, it would not be
allowed because Mormons teach that the person performing the ceremony must have
the proper Aaronic Priesthood authority, which according to Mormon doctrine, a
Baptist preacher would not
This nut job really needs to go. "The pride of West Jordan" apparently has such
little objectivity on any thing. The fact that he is up on the hill making laws
for the rest of us, has got to be the most terrifying thing this season, its
like the NIGHTMARE Before Christmas in Utah..
I am saddened everytime Chris Buttars opens his mouth. His extremist views make
national headlines and our state is viewed as a group backward-thinking
fanatics. I wish he would just resign.
I can't believe the hatred, vitriol, bitterness, and poison that comes out
liberals mouths and hearts evertime there is a story about Buttars.Truly who is more sick? the Liberals or just one man.He never said
anything racist, he words were twisted so liberal could attack him, For all you
stupid stupid liberals: HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A BILL.Maybe you
should all look at you own hearts.Evolution is the biggest
bunch of foolish nonsense ever concocted and foisted upon us.Christmas IS CHRISTMAS.And I can't believe the DN thinks
this is a good thing to contunue to allow this.
Of an old song "Happy Holidays to you". I do believe that this has been blown
out of proportion. There has been a little withdrawing of "Merry Christmas" but
many old songs and many old decorations that I have and know of talk about
"happy holidays". Goodness, the stores start their "holidays" before
Thanksgiving (maybe even around Halloween) now and they shouldn't say "Merry
Christmas" at that time! I think this man is looking for something to be mad
about since so many people have been upset with him.
I remember a lot of the cards we received this time of year touting "Season's
Greetings!" when I was a kid in the early 60s. I remember seeing *many* with
this sentiment. I was the one who had the privilege of hanging them over the
yarn swagging the back of our front door.
Treaty of TripoliPassed by Congress and signed into law by the
second President (and Founding Father) John Adams on June 10, 1797."As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense,
founded on the Christian religion; ... "________We are a
nation of many religions (protected by the 1st amendment of the Constitution)
and Republican Chris Butters should follow his parties principals of getting the
"government out of the way" and let companies operate how they see fit. If you
don't like it, shop elsewhere! This is a waste of all our tax dollars.*** HAPPY HOLIDAYS **** (all of them)
To Treaty of Tripoli, Look it up - Everyone agrees that the nation was not
founded on the 'Christian Religion' or any other religion. However, to say that
it wasn't founded on Judeo/Christian values and principles is simply denial.To evolutionfish - What's so offensive with "Merry Christmas"? Why does
this upset you? I've read vitriol comment after vitriol comment about how
ridiculous this resolution is, but you have totally justified Senator Butters
here. There really are people who are offended or who become upset when someone
greets them with "Merry Christmas". You know this has nothing to do with
converting you or having you acknowledge in any way that you must believe the
way they do, right? All it is, is a simple seasonal, holiday gesture of a hope
of peace on earth and good will toward men. If this is genuinely expressed, how
could this possibly offend anyone??There you have it, folks. Someone
is officially offended by "Merry Christmas". Let the war rage on...
I do not think the ban would be necessary. I also do not think it is righr,
for a retailer to tell their employees they cannot use the wordsMerry
Christmas if they want. What happened to Free Speech? I would neverwork for someone who told me I could notuse whatever I wanted. I do
believe thatNo one has the right, just because theydon't like my
Christian views, pushing their view on me, as I wont push mine onthem. They dont like the words MerryChristmas, then shop somewhere
else. No one is holding a gun to their heads.US Navy Retired
You voters that re-elected this clown need your heads examined. Seriously, you're an embarrassment to the rest of us Utahans.
i was just about to make the same point about the "x" ... as usual, ignorance
will trump knowledge if we let it.
The U.S. is NOT a Christian Nation! In Jesus' day, many of his fellow Jews were
awaiting the coming of the Messiah when "the Kindgom of God" would be ushered
in. Jesus was asked directly by Pilate if he was the King of this anticipated
kingdom:"Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and
called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?...Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this
world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews:
but now is my kingdom not from hence."Elsewhere, Jesus said, "The
kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or,
lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."Buttars is
a fool. America is not a Christian nation.
Actaully it is a christian nation,even though you can live in denial
about it.and no one has claimed it is Jesus' kingdom, that is
something else entirely,IT was settled/colonized by christian
people,IT was formed as a nation by christian peoples,and it was founded on judeo-christian values,even though all are
welcome to come live and practice their religion or lack religion as they see
fit,The overwhelming majority are christian, whether they are
actively practicing or not.NOthing you say changes that fact it IS
christian nation.and chritians have every constitutional right to
practice their religion publicly,we are a christan nation tha same
waymiddle eastern and other countries are islamic nations, thought
other religions live there.or israel is a jewish nation, though
other religions exist there,or china or japan are shinto or
buddist,or india is hindu,We are Chistain nation, though
all welcome here,and we have right to practice it publically.
Merry Christmas Buttars. There are more important things to worry about in your
job than this. So Merry Christmas and get out of our way as citizens.
I say Happy Holidays (personally and in my business) from just before
Thanksgiving until about a week before Christmas. I say Merry Christmas the
week of Christmas and Happy New Year the week after.I've only had
one customer ever complain, saying she (and many others - who???) didn't
celebrate Christmas and resented me "forcing my beliefs" on them. I asked her
if she had a calendar? Yes. What does it say on December 25? Silence. I may
have lost that customer (since she called on the phone, I doubt she even was
one). But so what?It is what it is. The day is called Christmas.
Celebrate it, or don't. No one will force you either way.
What happened to free speech? Let people wish you whatever they want. I can't
believe Buttars is still in office. He is a moron. Is this the most important
thing he has to focus on?
We agree that people are and should be free to practice religion. We do not
agree that a lawmaker should tell a store what its employees can or cannot say.
Say Merry Christmas all you want but don't force store owners to do it.Our nation was inhabited by a lot of non-Christians when it was defeated by
some who were religious. Some of those people coming here did so to practice
their religion as they saw fit, free from a government that would tell them
things like what they could say.Other, many, many others came
because they were seeking a better fortune. Money was a GIGANTIC motivator to
those settling the "New World." Happy Hannakka. You Christians
borrowed "Judeo-Christian" values and morals from ancient Israel. By your logic
we should legislate to have menorahs in ever store.
The resolution (which actually DOESN'T even EXIST, look it up! You are fighting
about nothing!) would be a UNENFORCABLE/NONBINDING, and it extends free speech,
by asking employers not to infringe free speech of their employees.Christianity didn't borrow anything.(although over time as
people were converted, as christianity grew, many traditions of various peoples
and cultures became part of christmas and other holidays ans celebrations,nothing wrong with that!)Perhaps you should ask yourself
where Israel got their values from?Anyone who studies religion can
tell you they came from the same source.God gave the Israel a bunch
laws to live by, due to their disobedience, laws which were symbolic,
representaive, archetype of the coming sacrifice of Jesus the Christ.Laws which Jesus said himself he came to fulfill.So, the same
source!And lets not even put kwanza or festivus in same class.Festivus, of couse, was made by a character on the TV show
'Seinfeld'.Kwanza was made up in 1966 by a black man as an
alternative for blacks to christmas.Judaism and Christianity have a
history, a religious tradition, and a significance for billions going back
thousands of years.Merry Christmas!Happy Hanukkah!yada-yada-yada...
When I say Merry Christmas, it means I am wishing you well. It is not in anyway
a religious solicitation.Please take it as a compliment, not a slam.
Perhaps you should look it up.YOu've taken a line completely out of
context.This was the first treaty the US had made with a muslim
nation.John Admas wanted to assure and make known it was between the
governments of two nations and not between religions.And assure that
tripolians that the US does not take its marching orders from any christian
church or it's leader, be it catholic, evangical, protestant, etc.But to use that quote in sense you intended is just wrong.There is
a difference between being a christian nation, being "founded" as one which is
operative word.And in deed no christian churh founded this nation.
But a collection of moral and religious people (who happened to be
all christians from various sects) did.
Do you fools have any idea where the first notion that the US is a Christian
nation came from?The idea was first proposed by -- are you ready for
this? -- Friedrich Nietzsche in the late 19th century! Yes, that's right. The
most famous athiest of them all, the (in)famous German philosopher who
challenged the foundations of Christianity and traditional morality!His identification of America as a Christian nation was NOT a compliment! It
was a criticism and a warning about the inevitable rise of Christian fascism
that he foresaw!Wake up and smell the angst. The US is NOT a
"no christian churh founded this nation. But a collection of moral
and religious people (who happened to be all christians from various sects)
did."Excuse me? There wasn't even HALF of the signers of the
Declaration of Independence who were Christian, and by most Christian standards,
even fewer who were "moral and religious"!!!You people REALLY REALLY
need to stop listening to so many idiot seminary teachers and BYU professors for
your history lessons! You are absolutely IGNORANT about history!
I support Chris Buttars and I am proud of it. He stands up for what he believes
in no matter what. He is in the Senate to represent the true conservative moral
and values that this great nation was founded upon. I am thank-ful that he is
taking a stand on the "Merry Christmas" issue. I think that is is sad in our
nation today that we can't say Merry Christmas without someone getting offended.
He is simply trying to say that it is okay to say "Merry Christmas" and no one
has a right to take that away from us.
To the Chris Buttars "supporter"If you are being paid by a company
to be its representative in a business, the Company has EVERY RIGHT to forbid
you from using greetings that may offend their customers.If you
don't like that, feel free to quit and work somewhere else.Isn't
freedom a wonderful thing!
To Merry Christmas to all,You are playing the spin game. You are not
honest.IF it is true that your saying Merry Christmas is simply
wishing me well, and it truly is NOT in anyway a religious solicitation, then
just say "I wish you well".But no, you have to try to cram your
religious cult into everything you do. And then you deny that you are doing
it!At least be honest. You are a religious fanatic. All those who
say "Merry Christmas" are religious fanatics!Someone needs to
sponsor real legislation that outlaws "Merry Christmas" and requires "Seasons'
Greetings" or "Happy Holidays" to be the ONLY greetings allowed in public
I don't understand why Christians want retailers to say "merry Christmas"
anyway. It seems to me that by using the birth of jesus to sell merchandise it
cheapens the entire holiday. "Happy Holidays" is an inclusive phrase that takes
into all the celebrations happening this time of year. Why is that a problem?
this is actually ridiculousits Christmas and i don't care what anyone else
thinksgiving it a different name doesn't change the face, it just makes
you ignorant people argue that there's other 'holidays' near Christmas but
in north America majority celebrate Christmas. One could also argue that there's
several holidays with in every single month for other faiths and cultures. if
you live in north America and you say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Marry
Christmas" you are an ignorant personAND further more i don't believe that
Chris Buttars opinion on this matter should make anyone feel that he shouldn't
be re-elected (unless you are anti-christian than i might understand why i could
think that why)btw you all proved his point, the fact that theres
this many posts proves that their is in fact a war going onMarry
What an idiot. We have real problems, so he attacks a fake problem instead.
Happy christmas, chanukkah, festivus, whatever for pete's sake.The
icing on the cake is that Buttars is a "creationist" opposed to reality-based
science which includes biological evolution. It figures.What rock
do these cretins crawl out from under?