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better hope for arizona | 12:00 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
and BYU better hope they draw Arizona in the vegas bowl or things could get
really ugly
Ryan Rosenvall QB | 12:19 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
I know that Ryan went to southern cal at West Los Angeles College. Started as a
freshman, and earned 1st team all conference. Wants to play for the U next
season and compete for the starting position. He does have one season as a
college starter. Thats all I know
Rosenvall | 12:24 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
He went to West LA because their offense is the same as the U. Also he has a
private QB coach he has been working with who lives in LA as well. He has worked
very hard at improving his game. 2009 should be interesting mix with the
QB's There will be 3 or 4 good QB's going for it.
Comments continue below
2009 Football Theme Revised | 12:42 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Gone! All gone! But the cupboard is far from bare!!
No BJ: Louks or Manis look like solid replacements.
No Casteel: Elijah Wesson, Aiona Key, David Reed - take your pick
No Freddie: see No Casteel
No Mack: Asiata's probably a bit better than Mack anyway
No McCain: but we return 3 other DB starters - plus, it was Smith that shut down Collie
No King Louie - Vroman is solid
You didn't mention the O-line, but i'll remind you that we return 4 of the 5 starters.
No Coaches! - huh? who are we losing?
No Chance? Don't you know that hallucinogens like whatever it is you are using are against the Honor Code? I LOVE our chances next year. GO UTES!!
No BJ: Louks or Manis look like solid replacements.
No Casteel: Elijah Wesson, Aiona Key, David Reed - take your pick
No Freddie: see No Casteel
No Mack: Asiata's probably a bit better than Mack anyway
No McCain: but we return 3 other DB starters - plus, it was Smith that shut down Collie
No King Louie - Vroman is solid
You didn't mention the O-line, but i'll remind you that we return 4 of the 5 starters.
No Coaches! - huh? who are we losing?
No Chance? Don't you know that hallucinogens like whatever it is you are using are against the Honor Code? I LOVE our chances next year. GO UTES!!
Re: LaVerl | 12:45 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
WOW!! "Mickey Mouse"?? Are you crazy?? This will be the third
out-right conference championship for Utah in five years, and the second BCS
busting team in four years. You Yners can go down to Las Vegas in force because
that is the best bowl game you will ever get! Y fans are rediculous. Oh, one
last thing tell Hall that his team wears blue not red! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
doesn't matter | 1:03 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
utah will lose in their bowl game. period. they were exposed and will get
smashed.
Hey guess what | 1:22 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
The one stat that all you byu fans overlook is how many BCS bowls utah has been
to opposed to your school...
2-0
max hall just threw another interception
and if you guys want to talk about the officials handing the utes a game... dont forget week 1 when you should have lost to Washington but got that awesome celbration call against you...
Karma is a bitch aint it
2-0
max hall just threw another interception
and if you guys want to talk about the officials handing the utes a game... dont forget week 1 when you should have lost to Washington but got that awesome celbration call against you...
Karma is a bitch aint it
Need another hand | 1:22 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
I know it's tricky when you have to move to a second hand to count them,
but that would be 3 in 6 and 2 in 5.
MWC Championships
1999 BYU, Utah, and Colorado State (5-2)
2000 Colorado St (6-1)
2001 BYU (7-0)
2002 Colorado St (6-1)
2003 Utah (6-1)
2004 Utah (7-0)
2005 TCU (8-0)
2006 BYU (8-0)
2007 BYU (8-0)
2008 Utah (8-0)
MWC Championships
1999 BYU, Utah, and Colorado State (5-2)
2000 Colorado St (6-1)
2001 BYU (7-0)
2002 Colorado St (6-1)
2003 Utah (6-1)
2004 Utah (7-0)
2005 TCU (8-0)
2006 BYU (8-0)
2007 BYU (8-0)
2008 Utah (8-0)
WOW!! Man | 1:31 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
or to put it another way...
BYU has lost 2 MWC games; has won 2 outright MWC championships; and has finished the regular season ranked in the Top 25 3 times in the last 3 years.
Utah has lost 6 MWC games; has won 1 outright MWC championship; and has finished the regular season ranked in the Top 25 1 time in the last 3 years.
BYU has lost 2 MWC games; has won 2 outright MWC championships; and has finished the regular season ranked in the Top 25 3 times in the last 3 years.
Utah has lost 6 MWC games; has won 1 outright MWC championship; and has finished the regular season ranked in the Top 25 1 time in the last 3 years.
big brother | 1:37 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Big brother U of U beats up another angry BYU team. It's tough being the
little guy, but shouldn't you be used to it by now Coogs? Coogs will never
be a threat and the entire success of their season is all determined by the only
game they ever see important, playing the omnipotent UTES. Good luck in your
bowl game Coogs, better luck next year against big brother.
Rufus T Firefly | 1:47 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
re: Re: LaVerl | 7:15 a.m. Dec. 2, 2008
>>>...said the tdS fan who was first to comment on a Ute article. You're here since nationally, one of our programs is RECOGNIZED and HEADING TO PHOENIX or NEW ORLEANS, while the OTHER program is irrelevant and nobody really cares where they're going.<<<
I'm sorry who's an elephant? Truthfully, I could care less where tds goes but have a suggestion.
>>>...said the tdS fan who was first to comment on a Ute article. You're here since nationally, one of our programs is RECOGNIZED and HEADING TO PHOENIX or NEW ORLEANS, while the OTHER program is irrelevant and nobody really cares where they're going.<<<
I'm sorry who's an elephant? Truthfully, I could care less where tds goes but have a suggestion.
Krusty | 1:52 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
re: re: RE: "Listen Clown" | 9:05 a.m. Dec. 2, 2008
>>Seriously, just enjoy tripping into the BCS,<<
If any team got lucky regarding the BCS its Ohio State last yr. Losing to Illinois in Nov and still making it into the title game.
FWIW; closest thing to easy money - playing OU in the Fiesta or Buckeyes in the title game.
>>Seriously, just enjoy tripping into the BCS,<<
If any team got lucky regarding the BCS its Ohio State last yr. Losing to Illinois in Nov and still making it into the title game.
FWIW; closest thing to easy money - playing OU in the Fiesta or Buckeyes in the title game.
RE: Fact or Fiction | 2:10 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Dude, prove to me that you can borrow more that $1,000 from your mom and I might
take the time to check the stats. Your team's record against ranked teams
blows. Deal with it. You love beating up on weaker teams, running your record
up then choking when it matters.
BYU fans are making... | 2:26 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
idiots of themselves.
yeah, in the last 3 years you have finished in the top 25 come years end...
and you have what to show from it?
NOTHING (unless you want to call the Vegas bowl something)
Hey, jealousy is a sin, but a really good one to have right
We didnt trip into the BCS... unless you call your own school a little rock in the way...
yeah, in the last 3 years you have finished in the top 25 come years end...
and you have what to show from it?
NOTHING (unless you want to call the Vegas bowl something)
Hey, jealousy is a sin, but a really good one to have right
We didnt trip into the BCS... unless you call your own school a little rock in the way...
Utah, BYU, and Boise State Fan | 2:31 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
It has been interesting to read the comments since Utah and Boise State went
undefeated and BYU lost out. As I read the comments,I visualize the fans of all
three schools beating their chests and chanting "We are the only true team
and your team stinks." It reminds me a great deal of lemmings who, in
their mass migration, end up drowning.
I suggest all BYU/UTAH/BSU fans who want fairness for the mid-major programs take a deep breath and learn a little something from the 1967, 1968 and 1969 Super Bowl games.
Remember the upstart AFL, the then mid-major of professional football? In 1967 the Packers beat the Chiefs in SBI.
Lombardi stated after SBI that NOT ONE of the AFL teams could EVER compete with any of the then BCS, oops, the NFL teams.
He proved it again in 1968 in SBII when the Packers beat Oakland. But, and there will always be a "but" in sports, the next year in SBIII Joe Namath and the Jets beat the Colts. The leagues merged.
To gain respect the mid-majors will have to beat the Oklahomas of the world. That's what it is going to take.
Thanks Utah and Boise State.
I suggest all BYU/UTAH/BSU fans who want fairness for the mid-major programs take a deep breath and learn a little something from the 1967, 1968 and 1969 Super Bowl games.
Remember the upstart AFL, the then mid-major of professional football? In 1967 the Packers beat the Chiefs in SBI.
Lombardi stated after SBI that NOT ONE of the AFL teams could EVER compete with any of the then BCS, oops, the NFL teams.
He proved it again in 1968 in SBII when the Packers beat Oakland. But, and there will always be a "but" in sports, the next year in SBIII Joe Namath and the Jets beat the Colts. The leagues merged.
To gain respect the mid-majors will have to beat the Oklahomas of the world. That's what it is going to take.
Thanks Utah and Boise State.
WOW!! man... response | 2:33 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
BYU has lost the only two big games on their schedule this year
While Utah has won 3 or even 4 (depending on how you look at the Michigan) games that were "big"...
BYU has finished in the top 25 in the last 3 years... and has the LV bowl to show it
Utah has finished in the top 25 once in the last 3 years... BUT HAS THE FIESTA BOWL and another BCS bowl coming...
But those arent stats we should look at right
While Utah has won 3 or even 4 (depending on how you look at the Michigan) games that were "big"...
BYU has finished in the top 25 in the last 3 years... and has the LV bowl to show it
Utah has finished in the top 25 once in the last 3 years... BUT HAS THE FIESTA BOWL and another BCS bowl coming...
But those arent stats we should look at right
Perspective | 3:11 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Ohio State has played in the last two BCS Championship games, and what do they
have to show for it?
BYU has 3 double-digit win seasons, 2 undefeated conference championships, and 3 Top 25 finishes in the last three seasons.
That's what BYU has to show for it!
Utah has only had 4 double-digit win seasons in their entire history.
BYU has had 14 double-digit win seasons, including 3 in the last three years.
Consistency and high expectations are what BYU has to show for three very good seasons.
BYU didn't quite reach it's goal of going undefeated and playing in a BCS bowl this year, but going 10-2, with it's only two losses to Top 25 teams on the road is still very good.
Utah deserves credit for beating 3 Top 25 teams, but all three games were at home, and all three involved a little bit of luck. Say what you will, but it was just as much Oregon State's, TCU's, and BYU's mistakes, as Utah's execution, that paved the way for Utah's wins.
BYU has 3 double-digit win seasons, 2 undefeated conference championships, and 3 Top 25 finishes in the last three seasons.
That's what BYU has to show for it!
Utah has only had 4 double-digit win seasons in their entire history.
BYU has had 14 double-digit win seasons, including 3 in the last three years.
Consistency and high expectations are what BYU has to show for three very good seasons.
BYU didn't quite reach it's goal of going undefeated and playing in a BCS bowl this year, but going 10-2, with it's only two losses to Top 25 teams on the road is still very good.
Utah deserves credit for beating 3 Top 25 teams, but all three games were at home, and all three involved a little bit of luck. Say what you will, but it was just as much Oregon State's, TCU's, and BYU's mistakes, as Utah's execution, that paved the way for Utah's wins.
Re: Annoying Ute Fan | 3:23 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Not only does the two-point win at Michigan look that good now, but when you
look at their overall season stats the Utes become even less impressive.
For example, the three big wins the Ute fans are bragging about -- Oregon State, TCU, BYU -- share these similarities:
1. All three games were at RES;
2. In all three games, the Utes were outgained in total offense -- by significant margins in two of them;
3. In all three games, the Utes relied on key fourth-quarter mistakes or turnovers by their opponents to win.
Now, that doesn't automatically mean the Utes didn't deserve to win those games. But it does show the Utes haven't been as dominant as their deluded fans think they are.
If I were a Ute fan or player or coach I would be very nervous about leaving the friendly confines of RES to play a top-ranked SEC or Big 12 team. The more I look at the details of the Ute's season the more I believe there is an upleasant smackdown awaiting them in Tempe or New Orleans.
For example, the three big wins the Ute fans are bragging about -- Oregon State, TCU, BYU -- share these similarities:
1. All three games were at RES;
2. In all three games, the Utes were outgained in total offense -- by significant margins in two of them;
3. In all three games, the Utes relied on key fourth-quarter mistakes or turnovers by their opponents to win.
Now, that doesn't automatically mean the Utes didn't deserve to win those games. But it does show the Utes haven't been as dominant as their deluded fans think they are.
If I were a Ute fan or player or coach I would be very nervous about leaving the friendly confines of RES to play a top-ranked SEC or Big 12 team. The more I look at the details of the Ute's season the more I believe there is an upleasant smackdown awaiting them in Tempe or New Orleans.
Lenny | 3:46 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Gomes was pumping my gas today and he picked off Hall
Shameful | 3:51 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
BYU has not expressed an ounce of gratitude yet for the BCS $money$ Big Brother
Utah keeps putting in the Coug's pockets
Kruger is still | 3:52 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
OPEN
Shameful - Ditto!! | 5:08 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
.... but lets put the shoe on the right and deserving foot. Utah and every
other non-BCS school has never thanked BYU's 1995 team for bringing about
the ACTUAL OPPORTUNITY to even play in a BCS game. If it was not for that 1995
Cougar team ranked 5th in the nation, the one that played Kansas State in the
Cotton Bowl, the Cougar team that 90% of the country said got robbed by the BCS
(media included), that same Cougar team which had countless attorneys lining up
to help sue the BCS for monopolizing the big money games for just a few specific
pretty-boy conferences.
Yes that same 1995 BYU Cougar is what brought about the current entry rules for all conferences to have a chance to play in the big BCS bowl games.
So mr. shameful, where is your thanks and gratitude for even having the chance to get those big buck$ in the first place. it was not your team that paved the way and made it possible. I gladly accept your apology!!!
Yes that same 1995 BYU Cougar is what brought about the current entry rules for all conferences to have a chance to play in the big BCS bowl games.
So mr. shameful, where is your thanks and gratitude for even having the chance to get those big buck$ in the first place. it was not your team that paved the way and made it possible. I gladly accept your apology!!!
Re: BYU Man 9:43 am | 5:29 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
1. What are YOU doing on this board
2. Clearly YOU didn't read the first post
3. Please see "As a BYU Grad" 9:51 am
Nuf' said...
Oh, and grow up.
2. Clearly YOU didn't read the first post
3. Please see "As a BYU Grad" 9:51 am
Nuf' said...
Oh, and grow up.
re Rosenvall | 5:31 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Is there any definate word he's coming to the U. I would love to see him
and Shak paired back up. Red white and black beating down the big blue all over
ha ha... (U vs BYU and Alta vs Bingham comparison)
Re: doesn't matter 1:03 pm | 5:37 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Really? Who exposed them? Clearly not BYU. I think your crystal ball is
misleading you again.
hahaha | 5:54 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Utes national champs....hahaha
re: Shameful Ditto!! | 7:27 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
I don't recall what the 1995 BYU team did. Did they go undefeated that
season? I'm wondering because if they did, then BYU has done what Utah
accomplished in 2004 and again in 2008 (two undefeated seasons).
Look guys, you take what the system gives you. Was BYU the best team in the country in 1984? Heck no. But they were undefeated and accordingly rewarded with the national championship.
To hahaha 5:54 pm, The Utes will never be national champions under the current system and neither will BYU. The point is, Utah has had two undefeated seasons and has achieved everything the current system will allow it to have.
So, back to my question...was BYU undefeated in 1995? If not, I don't think you should be bragging about it and no, the Utes do not have a debt of gratitude to BYU for anything. But the Utes will give your greedy outstretched hand the $1.4 Million anyway and not expect a polite "Thank You, big brother" in return.
Here's a question for BYU fans...when is BYU going to do SOMETHING / ANYTHING for someone else?
Look guys, you take what the system gives you. Was BYU the best team in the country in 1984? Heck no. But they were undefeated and accordingly rewarded with the national championship.
To hahaha 5:54 pm, The Utes will never be national champions under the current system and neither will BYU. The point is, Utah has had two undefeated seasons and has achieved everything the current system will allow it to have.
So, back to my question...was BYU undefeated in 1995? If not, I don't think you should be bragging about it and no, the Utes do not have a debt of gratitude to BYU for anything. But the Utes will give your greedy outstretched hand the $1.4 Million anyway and not expect a polite "Thank You, big brother" in return.
Here's a question for BYU fans...when is BYU going to do SOMETHING / ANYTHING for someone else?
Anonymous | 9:12 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Rosenvall was a decent runner at a high school level, but never really had an
arm. The U could find a better QB, even among in-state recruits. Loved
Rosenvall, he just couldn't throw at a high enough level.
Nai Fotu | 9:16 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Anyone heard about the status of Nai Fotu? How is his knee? Will he play in the
bowl game?
Jarid in Cedar | 10:47 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
RE: Shameful-Ditto
"1995 Cougar team ranked 5th in the nation, the one that played Kansas State in the Cotton Bowl"
The team was actually 1996 14-1.
That BYU team did get jobbed, but the evolution of the inclusion of a non BCS team had as much if not more to do with the undefeated Marshall and undefeated Tulane teams of the late 1990's and the snubbing of BYU in 2001. The lawsuit threats and congressional push started during that span about 1999-2001 as I recall(no time to research for sure).
The beginnings of the Bowl alliance can be ultimately traced to the year that Colorado and Georgia Tech split the title in 1989. They started it to try to get AP #1 and #2 to play against each other on a more consistent basis(as much to keep the top teams from dodging each other at bowl time as anything) This started when Miami#1, kept trying to dodge Penn State #2(Penn State beat them in the Fiesta Bowl). That monster was undone when Penn State was undefeated and #2(stuck in Rose Bowl) and Nebraska won the BCS in 1994. After that the Rose bowl was included.
Go Utes.
"1995 Cougar team ranked 5th in the nation, the one that played Kansas State in the Cotton Bowl"
The team was actually 1996 14-1.
That BYU team did get jobbed, but the evolution of the inclusion of a non BCS team had as much if not more to do with the undefeated Marshall and undefeated Tulane teams of the late 1990's and the snubbing of BYU in 2001. The lawsuit threats and congressional push started during that span about 1999-2001 as I recall(no time to research for sure).
The beginnings of the Bowl alliance can be ultimately traced to the year that Colorado and Georgia Tech split the title in 1989. They started it to try to get AP #1 and #2 to play against each other on a more consistent basis(as much to keep the top teams from dodging each other at bowl time as anything) This started when Miami#1, kept trying to dodge Penn State #2(Penn State beat them in the Fiesta Bowl). That monster was undone when Penn State was undefeated and #2(stuck in Rose Bowl) and Nebraska won the BCS in 1994. After that the Rose bowl was included.
Go Utes.
Hey Y-ners | 12:04 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
Let's just set up a page for all those Y-ners to cry on each others
shoulder. Grasping for straws, living in the last century and holding on to
victories that took place before they were even born. Go kitty cats go Y-ners
re fact or fiction 10:35am | 3:03 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
2008
#24 TCU L
#7 UTAH L
2007
#13 UCLA L
2006
#23 Boston College L
#15 TCU W
2005
#22 Boston College L
#25 Cal L
2004
#1 USC L
#21 Boise St L
#6 Utah L
2003
#1 USC L
#16 Boise ST L
#25 Utah L
2002
#21 Colorado St L
#19 Air Force L
2001
# 22 Louisville L
2000
#2 Florida ST L
#21 Colorado St L
1999
#11 Marshall L
1998
#13 Air Force L
#10 Tulane L
#24 TCU L
#7 UTAH L
2007
#13 UCLA L
2006
#23 Boston College L
#15 TCU W
2005
#22 Boston College L
#25 Cal L
2004
#1 USC L
#21 Boise St L
#6 Utah L
2003
#1 USC L
#16 Boise ST L
#25 Utah L
2002
#21 Colorado St L
#19 Air Force L
2001
# 22 Louisville L
2000
#2 Florida ST L
#21 Colorado St L
1999
#11 Marshall L
1998
#13 Air Force L
#10 Tulane L
RE Fact fiction 1035 | 3:31 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008
2008
#24 TCU L
#7 UTAH L
2007
#13 UCLA L
2006
#23 Boston College L
#15 TCU W
2005
#22 Boston College L
#25 Cal L
#9 Notre Dame L
2004
#1 USC L
#21 Boise St L
#6 Utah L
2003
#1 USC L
#16 Boise ST L
#25 Utah L
2002
#21 Colorado St L
#19 Air Force L
2001
# 22 Louisville L
2000
#2 Florida ST L
#21 Colorado St L
1999
#11 Marshall L
1998
#13 Air Force L
#10 Tulane L
Forgot about Notre Dame in 2005, feel free to check over the list but I think it is correct. I will be waiting for my $millions. Record is 1-21 vs top 25 teams in the last 10 years for the Y. Sources ESPN, byucougersdotcom and webdotksldotcom.
#24 TCU L
#7 UTAH L
2007
#13 UCLA L
2006
#23 Boston College L
#15 TCU W
2005
#22 Boston College L
#25 Cal L
#9 Notre Dame L
2004
#1 USC L
#21 Boise St L
#6 Utah L
2003
#1 USC L
#16 Boise ST L
#25 Utah L
2002
#21 Colorado St L
#19 Air Force L
2001
# 22 Louisville L
2000
#2 Florida ST L
#21 Colorado St L
1999
#11 Marshall L
1998
#13 Air Force L
#10 Tulane L
Forgot about Notre Dame in 2005, feel free to check over the list but I think it is correct. I will be waiting for my $millions. Record is 1-21 vs top 25 teams in the last 10 years for the Y. Sources ESPN, byucougersdotcom and webdotksldotcom.
ALTAFAN | 10:00 p.m. Dec. 3, 2008
Anonymous | 9:12 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Rosenvall was a decent runner at a high school level, but never really had an arm. The U could find a better QB, even among in-state recruits. Loved Rosenvall, he just couldn't throw at a high enough level.
I respectfully have to disagree with you there. He was a decent runner but he never had to run much. The animal Shak did all the running (and ran over everyone). He did have a good arm but didn't use it much. When he did though, he did it good. Parker Walbeck can tell you all about it. I hope the U takes him. On another note is there any chance of Shak getting to play next season?
Rosenvall was a decent runner at a high school level, but never really had an arm. The U could find a better QB, even among in-state recruits. Loved Rosenvall, he just couldn't throw at a high enough level.
I respectfully have to disagree with you there. He was a decent runner but he never had to run much. The animal Shak did all the running (and ran over everyone). He did have a good arm but didn't use it much. When he did though, he did it good. Parker Walbeck can tell you all about it. I hope the U takes him. On another note is there any chance of Shak getting to play next season?
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