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Exmple is the greatest teacher | 1:06 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Our young people were taught well by Bill Clinton how to lie and cheat! "It
depends on what "is" is!
American Apathy | 4:59 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
This article is just on the tip of the iceberg of how the young have become very
apathetic to law and order. Their adult parents don't socialize with their
children at home or even know where they are most of the time. With first hand
experience in a legal issue the young under oath and testifieing in court admit
that it is okay to lie, cheat and steal. They say everybody does it, implying
its a way of life for them. They are not being raised in a character building
enviornment with morals or concern with right and wrong. Society and the legal
system is responsible for how these children developed and achieved this
irresponsible attitude. It is their way of life and what they have been trained
to do. Peer groups have more authority over them than their parents have and
throughout their educatiion years they have been allowed to run amock to lie,
cheat, and steal without proper parental controls. Now society has a generation
or two of adults that are brainwashed with an apathetic view of right and wrong.
Anonymous | 5:36 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
64 percent cheating on a test seems low.
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Plagiarism is much higher | 6:46 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
I teach at a secondary school and internet plagiarism is much higher than what
was reported in the survey. Two years ago, it was about 50% in my classes (I
teach at a Utah Valley school). In addressing the problem, I discovered that
many students really believed that it wasn't wrong to copy directly from
the internet because they hadn't been taught differently and they believed
everything on the internet belongs to them. Shockingly, I discovered that a
handful of parents didn't think anything was wrong with it either. After
modifying my assignments to make plagiarizing more difficult (such as writing in
1st person rather than 3rd person) and teaching some ethics lessons, I have
reduced plagiarism in my classes to about 15%. Those 15% of students don't
really care if they cheat or not, but I'm still working on it.
Problem Source | 7:16 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
While I agree that weak adult morality examples like Bill Clinton affect youth,
there are plenty of others....too many Hollywood types, television characters,
the internet and other politicians use poor judgment as well.
Good behavior examples for kids begin at home, church and school. Those three should be the areas of concentration.
[For those who may whine about my including the church, I therefore challenge you to thus concentrate on exposing your children to positive home and school environments.]
In the defense of youth behavior, earlier generations of adults throughout history have been concluding the "youth of today" will ruin the country and social structure with their behavior. Don't look now but we're still here.
Let's have some hope that our youth will mature responsibily.
Good behavior examples for kids begin at home, church and school. Those three should be the areas of concentration.
[For those who may whine about my including the church, I therefore challenge you to thus concentrate on exposing your children to positive home and school environments.]
In the defense of youth behavior, earlier generations of adults throughout history have been concluding the "youth of today" will ruin the country and social structure with their behavior. Don't look now but we're still here.
Let's have some hope that our youth will mature responsibily.
Science Teacher | 7:22 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
That's a good idea! I usually make them write personal/community impact
papers, but making them write in the 1st person will open up some more
possibilities.
Thanks!
Oh... and cheating is the NORM. Dishonesty starts at home. They're just modeling what they've learned from their parents.
Punishing them is often not in my best interest as now I have to fight the student's attitude as well as the screaming parent defending her poor baby who didn't do nuthin'.
Thanks!
Oh... and cheating is the NORM. Dishonesty starts at home. They're just modeling what they've learned from their parents.
Punishing them is often not in my best interest as now I have to fight the student's attitude as well as the screaming parent defending her poor baby who didn't do nuthin'.
Screen Age | 8:19 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Josephson is 100% correct, adults are not taking this very seriously.
In fact, ADULTS ARE THE ROOT OF THIS PROBLEM, NOT THE CHILDREN.
Parents and teachers whine about how youth today don't respect authority, but look at them. They color their hair, apply age defying potions, get cosmetic surgery, buy clothes and even cars to make them appear younger, and refuse to act their age.
If adults don't respect the virtues of age, how can they expect children to?
History will remember Baby Boomers as the most inadequate generation of all time.
Look at the world today. From economics to ethics to the environment, to everything, on the BABY BOOMERS' WATCH, everything turned for the worse. Of course their children are worse as well.
Kids today are spending more time with television and the Internet than their parents, and the parents want it that way. They don't want to be bothered by parenting.
It will be up to those kids who had decent parents to not only make something of their lives, but to save the world from the wreck the baby boomers and their worthless progeny have left it in.
If that is even possible.
In fact, ADULTS ARE THE ROOT OF THIS PROBLEM, NOT THE CHILDREN.
Parents and teachers whine about how youth today don't respect authority, but look at them. They color their hair, apply age defying potions, get cosmetic surgery, buy clothes and even cars to make them appear younger, and refuse to act their age.
If adults don't respect the virtues of age, how can they expect children to?
History will remember Baby Boomers as the most inadequate generation of all time.
Look at the world today. From economics to ethics to the environment, to everything, on the BABY BOOMERS' WATCH, everything turned for the worse. Of course their children are worse as well.
Kids today are spending more time with television and the Internet than their parents, and the parents want it that way. They don't want to be bothered by parenting.
It will be up to those kids who had decent parents to not only make something of their lives, but to save the world from the wreck the baby boomers and their worthless progeny have left it in.
If that is even possible.
Highly Annoyed | 8:23 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
It all starts at home as well as schools. There should be time limits on the
computer (also have computers out in the open to monitor what they're
doing), cell phones, and more emphasis on school work. Schools need to bring
back physical education, recess, and cut out some of the unnecessary school
breaks. Both parties also should try to do their jobs as
parents/teachers/administrators instead of being their friend. That's the
real problem today. No one wants to accept responsibility for anything.
And if you want to talk politicians, put George W. Bush in there while you're at it.
And if you want to talk politicians, put George W. Bush in there while you're at it.
Craig | 8:30 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
. . . and then they arrive at college and finally the workforce. At some point
it catches up with them because you can't cheat and be productive.
BYU Grad | 8:32 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
These number would even be higher if BYU students were polled.
U of U Grad | 8:42 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
These numbers would be higher if U of U students were polled. Even higher than
BYU. I went to both schools, U of U as an undergrad and BYU as a grad student.
Parent | 9:09 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
It's easy to say that it starts at home, but the reality is that social
pressures outside of the home are overwhelming. I am a good parent who does all
of the things recommended by people in these posts, but my daughter still
struggles. Believe me, she has been taught, disciplined, and rewarded (for good
behavior) such that she should be doing better. But, why isn't she?
It's because she goes to school where her teachers accept mediocrity and
allow literally 28 late assignments per school year. It's tough to teach
responsibility, hard work, and ethics when no one else out there seems to care.
School policies aren't helping matters, and parents can't do it alone
-- even when they work their butts off (which I do!!) Society overall needs to
be revamped - parents, schools, etc.
rnoble | 9:16 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
i was in the workforce many years before returning to school and i have to say
that the workforce experience is the same---there is even encouragement for
stealing others ideas and copying others processes when someone can find a
successful prototype---i don't know how many times i have said we need to
do it our way not theirs---i also don't know how many times the coworkers
went home to kids and reinforced their own desires of copying others to their
kids by saying this is how you do this---we need to change schools to reward
thinking instead of compliance---we need to discover ways to graduate students
based on knowledge, skills and maturity instead of age---we need to reward
excellence and lead everybody toward it, while teaching altruism for the benefit
of society---
Frank | 9:34 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
64 percent are cheating in HS? Sounds like they are more prepared for college
than ever.
I too worked hard in HS thinking that when I got to college it would pay off. Then I talked and listened to my fellow students at the U. I would say that around 64 percent would be accurate for college too.
In just ONE of my classes the guy next to me had his homework done by his wife, he shared those answers with those next to him, the guy behind just used copies of last years tests he got from his dorm mate and shared those. That was 2 out of 3 rows of students copying off each other. I didn�t out of principle and my grades suffered because I couldn�t keep up with the rest of the class and the teacher would slow down because the majority of students were doing so well so quickly. I was advised to get assistance from my fellow students who couldn�t explain anything to me because all they had were the answers, not the methods to devise them.
I too worked hard in HS thinking that when I got to college it would pay off. Then I talked and listened to my fellow students at the U. I would say that around 64 percent would be accurate for college too.
In just ONE of my classes the guy next to me had his homework done by his wife, he shared those answers with those next to him, the guy behind just used copies of last years tests he got from his dorm mate and shared those. That was 2 out of 3 rows of students copying off each other. I didn�t out of principle and my grades suffered because I couldn�t keep up with the rest of the class and the teacher would slow down because the majority of students were doing so well so quickly. I was advised to get assistance from my fellow students who couldn�t explain anything to me because all they had were the answers, not the methods to devise them.
re:Craig | 9:53 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Its supprising how much you can bend it till it breaks though. I can back up
rnoble that it happens in the workforce too, depending on the job of course.
I work in the financial sector and while I have seen few be dishonest with peoples finances I do see cheating from the company. Coworkers who "forget" frequently to punch out for lunch to get a free hour of overtime, or take an hour bathroom break when they know the new guys will work twice as hard without knowing better. And working the systems to inflate work numbers not only make the lazy employees look good but their managers as well.
I work in the financial sector and while I have seen few be dishonest with peoples finances I do see cheating from the company. Coworkers who "forget" frequently to punch out for lunch to get a free hour of overtime, or take an hour bathroom break when they know the new guys will work twice as hard without knowing better. And working the systems to inflate work numbers not only make the lazy employees look good but their managers as well.
RE "Exmple" | 10:09 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
I guess my generation was more fortunate. We had Richard Nixon for our
example.
And this is surprising? | 10:16 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
The Founding Fathers of this nation understood the importance of teaching
morality to our youth, which is why the founding documents required that a
public education system should be created, with a primary purpose of teaching
children moral values out of the Bible.
Our renegade Supreme Court, in the 1950's, decided to legislate from the bench on this, and introduced a concept of "Separation of Church and State", and began forcing the removal of teaching morals out of the Bible from public schools.
Guess what. You remove the teaching of morals from the education of our youth, and then expect them to have morals?
Duh!
Our renegade Supreme Court, in the 1950's, decided to legislate from the bench on this, and introduced a concept of "Separation of Church and State", and began forcing the removal of teaching morals out of the Bible from public schools.
Guess what. You remove the teaching of morals from the education of our youth, and then expect them to have morals?
Duh!
O2bRich | 10:20 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
�Parents and teachers whine about how youth today
don�t respect authority, but look at them. They color
their hair, apply age defying potions, get cosmetic surgery, buy clothes and
even cars to make them appear younger, and refuse to act their
age.� Screen Age, 8:19 a.m. Dec 1, 2008
While I agree that values relating to cheating and all the rest are learned primarily at home, I�m not sure the things cited above are indicative of the problem. It�s more like parents cheating on taxes, padding insurance claim, bringing home supplies from work, speeding, sliding thru stop signs, using grandma�s handicapped tag to park in the handicapped space when grandma absent, not returning extra change in the grocery line, not speaking up if a cashier forgets to ring up an item. The details of honesty. We rationalize by saying it doesn�t matter, or nobody gets hurt, or it doesn�t cost anyone anything. But it does matter, someone does get hurt and there is a cost. Each generation lets �the little things� slide and the standard goes down over the years. So while schools and churches can help, ultimately the family needs to get better in order to stop the decline.
While I agree that values relating to cheating and all the rest are learned primarily at home, I�m not sure the things cited above are indicative of the problem. It�s more like parents cheating on taxes, padding insurance claim, bringing home supplies from work, speeding, sliding thru stop signs, using grandma�s handicapped tag to park in the handicapped space when grandma absent, not returning extra change in the grocery line, not speaking up if a cashier forgets to ring up an item. The details of honesty. We rationalize by saying it doesn�t matter, or nobody gets hurt, or it doesn�t cost anyone anything. But it does matter, someone does get hurt and there is a cost. Each generation lets �the little things� slide and the standard goes down over the years. So while schools and churches can help, ultimately the family needs to get better in order to stop the decline.
Re Parent: | 10:26 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
As a teacher I understand your frustration with teachers accepting late work,
but the reality is that teachers are pressured by a large, loud, and growing
group of parents to accept late work and mediocrity. We are subtly pressured by
district officials and administrators to not give F grades and accept late work,
even accepting late work into the next term. Programs such as advisory periods
and study halls have taken more instructional time and have given it to students
in order to make up their failing grades. Teachers in my school are lectured
for giving too many F grades. What is really sad, is when half the school makes
the honor roll at a 3.7 GPA--that is way too easy. I'm glad that you
support consequences for your child, because many parents aren't that way.
If more parents like you would complain to your district and principal about
your concerns, then things would at least stop moving in the direction they are
currently going. Schools are really a reflection of society and it will take
society to change for the better in order for schools to improve. Please
remember that most teachers are caught in the middle.
Kay | 10:52 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
I really feel for the teachers who try, and aggree that this can be used as a
reflexion of society as it is now and will be.
In fact it wasnt a week ago that my husband was looking at a large homemade candycane just out of curiousity and it slipped. It shattered on the floor and I talked him into hiding it behind the shelf. It only took him a minute before he went back and grabbed it. He decided to pay for his mistake and we took it to the cashier who also tried to talk him out of it twice, even when he explained the situation.
Looking back at it now, how bad off is our society that a little responsability is not only uncommon but strange.
In fact it wasnt a week ago that my husband was looking at a large homemade candycane just out of curiousity and it slipped. It shattered on the floor and I talked him into hiding it behind the shelf. It only took him a minute before he went back and grabbed it. He decided to pay for his mistake and we took it to the cashier who also tried to talk him out of it twice, even when he explained the situation.
Looking back at it now, how bad off is our society that a little responsability is not only uncommon but strange.
it happens here every day | 11:00 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
all you have to do is read the threads in this paper everyday to understand
where the kids are coming from. People love to play loose and fast with facts
and when confronted with properly sited facts (references the can be followed
back to the source) they slink away into the night, to return the next day with
the same false claims.
Stewart | 11:21 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
These students being tested are not the children of "Baby Boomers" but
their grandchildren. The children of most of the Boomers are now between 28 and
43 the age of those with children in the K-12 school system. My grandfather,
born in 1899 thought my generation was a waste also.
By the way the ease of cheating and stealing today does not determine integrity, honesty, and moral values. These are determined long before the situation presented itself. However, the ease with which and individual's integrity can be bought does indicate problems in our society.
By the way the ease of cheating and stealing today does not determine integrity, honesty, and moral values. These are determined long before the situation presented itself. However, the ease with which and individual's integrity can be bought does indicate problems in our society.
the four thiefs on Rushmore | 11:33 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
this has been going on since the days of yore..but there are actually schools
that exist right here in this state which do pretty good by not allowing it and
i am happy my kids go to one..i think.
Recovering School Teacher | 11:35 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Many of the comments here blame recent people or developments, I'm seeing a
long-term problem for which rampant cheating is a symptom which has compounded
over the generations.
Cheating is a natural response to a coercive environment. We have forced generations of people to learn what, where, and how they don't want to learn... and then we wonder why Johnny hates school!
Compulsion ruined Soviet economics -- the workers quietly rebelled and would only produce enough to keep out of trouble. (sound familiar?)
WHY, OH WHY do we think we can compel people to learn against their will and expect them to be productive and moral learners? HELLO!!
There are several dozen schools world wide that have ZERO cheating, because they aren't compulsory environments.
Compulsion Kills. Freedom Works.
Cheating is a natural response to a coercive environment. We have forced generations of people to learn what, where, and how they don't want to learn... and then we wonder why Johnny hates school!
Compulsion ruined Soviet economics -- the workers quietly rebelled and would only produce enough to keep out of trouble. (sound familiar?)
WHY, OH WHY do we think we can compel people to learn against their will and expect them to be productive and moral learners? HELLO!!
There are several dozen schools world wide that have ZERO cheating, because they aren't compulsory environments.
Compulsion Kills. Freedom Works.
Fred | 11:46 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
To the parent who says she cannot do it alone, the school must do more, please
remember that school is a DIRECT reflection of the morals, values, and
principles that are accepted in your community. School employees no longer have
the power to do what is in the best interest of the community or the student.
Schools are run by parents, often times these parents are simply the loudest,
but it is parents none the less who are calling the shots in your local schools.
If you don't like what you see, get a group of like minded parents
together and make the changes. As a teacher I would love to have the support of
parents in holding kids accountable, but sadly it is the parents that fight the
school system to make sure that there is no accountability for their children.
All that many parents care about is the final grade, not that it was a fair
reflection of what their student earned, but that it was an A.
Anonymous | 11:52 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Limbaugh lies, Fox News lies and Bush lies: why should kids be more moral than
the world their parents left for them?
Brother Chuck Schroeder | 11:55 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Welcome to "The World" of "spin-off" from the Generation X,
Y and Z'ers, than generation extreme, and today the I, Me and My
generation, all are liberal's to. So now in the past year, 30 percent or
higher of U.S. high school students have stolen from a store and 64 percent have
cheated on a test, according to a new large-scale survey. Then you wounder why I
voted for McCain / Palin 2008, and want to shut down all Public Schools in
America, and, go back to "Home Schooling"?. Ani't the AFL-CIO
Teacher's Union grand?. As well as their school Board, and the PTA to plus
the NEA?. Oh I forgot, Obama will reward them with more of your money, for this
failed school system, and for the liberal parent's / parent that forces you
to pay higher taxes, and don't care about who'll raise their
kid's, as long as it's not them.
BH | 12:13 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
To RE "Example" @ 10:09.
Keep in mind that the nation's response to Nixon was entirely different than to Clinton. Nixon was forced to resign or face impeachment. We as a nation yawned when Clinton lied in office.
Expectations have changed. It seems acceptable to lie and cheat if the return is great enough. Would the nation have cared that Enron was cooking the books if it had not resulted in failure?
Unfortuneately it seems that we have sold the values of our youth for twenty pieces of silver. We have taught them that success is of higher worth than integrity and honesty.
Keep in mind that the nation's response to Nixon was entirely different than to Clinton. Nixon was forced to resign or face impeachment. We as a nation yawned when Clinton lied in office.
Expectations have changed. It seems acceptable to lie and cheat if the return is great enough. Would the nation have cared that Enron was cooking the books if it had not resulted in failure?
Unfortuneately it seems that we have sold the values of our youth for twenty pieces of silver. We have taught them that success is of higher worth than integrity and honesty.
Anonymous | 12:19 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Mormon's are to life a more tolerant life, toward a liberal democracy that
breed these kid's of today, and we are to embrace them and teach them, love
them, take them under OUR wing's, however, where is their real
Parent's to do this ?. I say, let them all rot in prison. I don't
share the wealth and spread it all around. I am who I am, Joe sixpack that to
wants to shut down all Public Schools in America, and, go back to "Home
Schooling".
Proud female | 12:31 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
I just wanted to point out that these statistics show that the boys are cheating
and stealing more than the same age females- Now, why is it that males generally
get paid better for their jobs when they don't have the skills their
non-cheating female colleagues possess?
The Net | 12:48 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Here are just a few things I have learned from having a computer and the
internet:
If I want a song I "download" it off the net.
If I want a movie I borrow it and rip a copy.
If I want a cd I have a friend rip me a copy.
If I want a picture I copy and paste it.
If I want the "intellectual property" of someone else I copy and paste it.
If I want a research paper I download a copy.
Is it any wonder our young people are confused about what is ethical and what is not?
If I want a song I "download" it off the net.
If I want a movie I borrow it and rip a copy.
If I want a cd I have a friend rip me a copy.
If I want a picture I copy and paste it.
If I want the "intellectual property" of someone else I copy and paste it.
If I want a research paper I download a copy.
Is it any wonder our young people are confused about what is ethical and what is not?
Like Father | 12:51 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Like Son
My Dad was Honest and so am I
My kiids were raised to be Honest
My Dad was Honest and so am I
My kiids were raised to be Honest
hmm | 12:52 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
64% seems really low to me too. I'd bet its a lot higher than that. Also in
my experience schools don't even try and prevent cheating. Most teachers
don't care. Here at BYU we have the testing center and that definitely
makes it a lot less tempting. When teachers give in class tests and everyone
elses papers are right there its hard not to cheat!! Oh and those kids know what
plagairism is! They just say they don't. Duh.
RE: Proud Female | 1:03 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
The numbers aren't that much different between boys and girls so your
criticism is invalid. And you can't tell me that you never cheated on a
test or stole anything in your life regardless of how small. Or are you just too
proud to admit to it?
Get Real! | 1:16 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Bagging on rival schools, religions, genders, states, generations in order to
defend ones' own failures is weak!
While I agree that character issues are vital, let's not be lemmings. The more sensational an article is the more people will read it. Before assessing blame, look real hard at the poll. Everyone knows that polls can be manipulated in a myriad of ways. In fact, it doesn't take much nowadays to create a poll that supports ones' personal opinion.
I will say this, in a world that pushes a win at all costs mentality, it is very easy to see how short cuts will be utilized to ensure victory or success. It is always harder to risk failure.
The fact is, everyone has a dirty little secret to hide. Nobody is on looking at this thread is perfect. While I agree with points made by previous participants, lets' keep things in perspective.
While I agree that character issues are vital, let's not be lemmings. The more sensational an article is the more people will read it. Before assessing blame, look real hard at the poll. Everyone knows that polls can be manipulated in a myriad of ways. In fact, it doesn't take much nowadays to create a poll that supports ones' personal opinion.
I will say this, in a world that pushes a win at all costs mentality, it is very easy to see how short cuts will be utilized to ensure victory or success. It is always harder to risk failure.
The fact is, everyone has a dirty little secret to hide. Nobody is on looking at this thread is perfect. While I agree with points made by previous participants, lets' keep things in perspective.
But I typed it out | 1:22 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
I recent high school student informed his teacher (my husband) that he
hadn't cheated on his 2 page paper because he had printed out the Wikipedia
article and then typed it into Word. . . Dumb and Stupid. Half the students
cheated on this assignment. It's a parent thing, a generational thing, and
an American cultural thing. I'm sorry, but the world does not owe you!
I also don't think it has ANYTHING to do with taking Christianity out of schools. If you want God in schools that's fine, but my kids worship to Buddha and public school is no place for your missionaries!
You can have ethics without religion!
I also don't think it has ANYTHING to do with taking Christianity out of schools. If you want God in schools that's fine, but my kids worship to Buddha and public school is no place for your missionaries!
You can have ethics without religion!
PAULO MACHICAO TELLO | 1:33 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
We all have been in the Testing Center, and we all have waited for five minutes
or maybe even hours to take an exam. Also, even though we go on time for our
exams - meaning we do not go on the last day - we find enormous and annoying
lines or worse, we cannot find a place to take the exam. I think the building
needs to be expanded. It seems to be very logical; a high demand needs a high
supply.
The Testing Center was made many years ago for a specific amount of students, but this number has increased in the last years. The most clear and alarming consequence of this problem is that students lose time, which they could have used in many other things such as doing homework, studying for another test, working, etc.
This is a serious problem, and BYU must find a solution. There are many, and a good beginning can be providing more places for getting exams and providing more desks where students take their tests. I personally cheat on tests to. All of us here do to. So what?.
The Testing Center was made many years ago for a specific amount of students, but this number has increased in the last years. The most clear and alarming consequence of this problem is that students lose time, which they could have used in many other things such as doing homework, studying for another test, working, etc.
This is a serious problem, and BYU must find a solution. There are many, and a good beginning can be providing more places for getting exams and providing more desks where students take their tests. I personally cheat on tests to. All of us here do to. So what?.
In shhool just remember to | 1:36 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Stay off the grass
The green space that has opened up like a blooming flower in springtime on the south side of campus, where once was the dark and dreary Knight Mangum Building, has inspired me to speak on behalf of the Lord's grass. First of all, I would like to personally thank the BYU administration for their decision to plant grass at a time when grass is threatened at every turn by building projects.
I feel we have begun to take grass for granted, disrespecting its functional and aesthetic value. Picture for a moment, if you will, a grassless educational experience. Nowhere but the library to read The Daily Universe, nowhere to unwind between classes with a nap or snack. Those of us who have visited places where grass is scarce should know better than most the bleak consequences of grass negligence.
The green space that has opened up like a blooming flower in springtime on the south side of campus, where once was the dark and dreary Knight Mangum Building, has inspired me to speak on behalf of the Lord's grass. First of all, I would like to personally thank the BYU administration for their decision to plant grass at a time when grass is threatened at every turn by building projects.
I feel we have begun to take grass for granted, disrespecting its functional and aesthetic value. Picture for a moment, if you will, a grassless educational experience. Nowhere but the library to read The Daily Universe, nowhere to unwind between classes with a nap or snack. Those of us who have visited places where grass is scarce should know better than most the bleak consequences of grass negligence.
Just like sports / steriods | 2:13 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
If I want to be the best, and compete with the big boys, Ive got to juice up as
well.
If I want to get the scholarship, the bar is raised so high, I cant afford to NOT cheat.
Thats why I push my kids to do what it takes to get the grade.
Welcome to the real world.
If I want to get the scholarship, the bar is raised so high, I cant afford to NOT cheat.
Thats why I push my kids to do what it takes to get the grade.
Welcome to the real world.
who cares | 2:16 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
resourcefulness is key, life catches up with everybody, competition has
it's consequences
Really? | 3:30 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
To "just like sports/steriods" (should be "steroids")
Just like your unintended spelling error which shows your lack of thought,intelligence,insight etc, you are the problem. Don't be surprised if your so wonderfully tutored--by you--ethically challenged children end up failing life's real challenges or in jail.
Ethics begin at home. They must be modeled. There are obviously many more deeply ethically flawed people like yourself given the numbers in this article.
Just remember this absolute truism--"What goes around comes around." You lie, steal, cheat,--it'll come back at you. When it does, don't cry on society's shoulder--remember you earned it!!
Just like your unintended spelling error which shows your lack of thought,intelligence,insight etc, you are the problem. Don't be surprised if your so wonderfully tutored--by you--ethically challenged children end up failing life's real challenges or in jail.
Ethics begin at home. They must be modeled. There are obviously many more deeply ethically flawed people like yourself given the numbers in this article.
Just remember this absolute truism--"What goes around comes around." You lie, steal, cheat,--it'll come back at you. When it does, don't cry on society's shoulder--remember you earned it!!
Wow | 4:30 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
I'm suprised no one has brought this up. Someone was on the right path
though (Recovering-School-Teacher). The reason kids cheat in high school is not
because no one has morals anymore. It is because kids are asked to do things on
tests that are unimportant. Why are we ignoring the technology that exists and
not allowing students to use it on their tests? At work would your employer get
mad if you found a solution through the internet? Do you get paid more to
memorize things at your job? Of course not! So why do our schools insist on such
stupid things? Memorizing is not a useful skill. Finding answers is. We should
cut out the need to cheat and let kids use the internet on assignments. We
shouldn't expect them to ignore a great resourse. I'll give an example
I had a history teacher that would lecture everyday and even told us what to
write down for our notes, then when we had tests we could use our notes.
It's amazing how much more i learned in that class. A lot more than the
memorize and test your memory classes. I took more notes too!
Wrong wrong wrong | 5:29 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
People cheat because they are cheats; they lie because they are liars. They
plagiarize because they are plagiarists. Place the blame on the perpetrator of
the crime, not on "society", "adults" or any other
scapegoat.
When someone can pass the buck they can; it's because we make special allowance for one gender, age group,race etc that there is a pandemic of bad behavior from that gender, age group etc.
Hold people accountable for their own acts and then, and only then, will you see an improvement in behavior.
When someone can pass the buck they can; it's because we make special allowance for one gender, age group,race etc that there is a pandemic of bad behavior from that gender, age group etc.
Hold people accountable for their own acts and then, and only then, will you see an improvement in behavior.
Ezekiel | 5:47 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land..... saying, The
fathers have eaten sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge?
...The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
...The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Anonymous | 6:39 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Just remember kid's - fly like bald eagles - as the rest of the good people
do - or - die like stinking-rat's in the gutter - that's up to you and
your parent's - it's your choice.
EM | 9:26 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
The problem is folks that parents have become too afraid of their children.
They're afraid of hurting their poor little feelings. They're afraid
to tell their kids off, and they're afraid to slap them up the side of the
head when the kids are disrepectful, lying, or cheating. Parents allow kids to
get away with it all. Parents are abrogating their responsibilities to the
schools and to society in general. Wake up parents you are ruining your
children's lives. Parents are too concerned about themselves than their
children. So it's no wonder kids are cheating, lying, and on drugs.
Why parents do not punish kids | 10:17 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Two reasons parents do not punish their children:
1. They are afraid to. After all they may be prosecuted and then the State or its appointees will see to it they get a really bad upbringing.
2. They believe that young people are angels; if their youngsters go wrong, they reason, it must be their fault as parents etc etc
The best you can do, and it will take sacrifice, is to teach them sound principles as early as they can understand a simple sentence or two, and don't let up, and also be the example you would like them to follow.
Don't let very little children play around the traffic (literally or symbolically) that they have not the sense, imagination or skills to avoid. Teach them to treat others as they would like to be treated. The word is a powerful weapon, an iron rod they can safely hold onto, don't spare this rod.
Then if they go wrong it is unmitigatedly their own choice, it will not be your fault. In that case the courts will 'beat them up' when they are eighteen and if you are smart you will let them.
1. They are afraid to. After all they may be prosecuted and then the State or its appointees will see to it they get a really bad upbringing.
2. They believe that young people are angels; if their youngsters go wrong, they reason, it must be their fault as parents etc etc
The best you can do, and it will take sacrifice, is to teach them sound principles as early as they can understand a simple sentence or two, and don't let up, and also be the example you would like them to follow.
Don't let very little children play around the traffic (literally or symbolically) that they have not the sense, imagination or skills to avoid. Teach them to treat others as they would like to be treated. The word is a powerful weapon, an iron rod they can safely hold onto, don't spare this rod.
Then if they go wrong it is unmitigatedly their own choice, it will not be your fault. In that case the courts will 'beat them up' when they are eighteen and if you are smart you will let them.
re:Parent. | 10:39 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
So quit rewarding your kids, and forcing them to go and beg their teachers for
higher grades.
Tell them that you accept their best work, whatever that is.
Teachers will never take a piece of late work from your child if you instruct them not to.
My daughter turns in all her work, including late work, but the teachers are instructed not to give her credit if it is late.
My daughter earns her grade, and still learns.
Tell them that you accept their best work, whatever that is.
Teachers will never take a piece of late work from your child if you instruct them not to.
My daughter turns in all her work, including late work, but the teachers are instructed not to give her credit if it is late.
My daughter earns her grade, and still learns.
Tyler | 11:19 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008
Anyone who is surprised by these finds is missing the point. I was watching KSL
today and they were talking to a superintendent. He seemed completely oblivious
the fact that this was happening. As a student who just graduated high school I
was not surprised in the slightest with these results. Maybe if parents and
teachers paid better attention they would realize it too; I am not, however,
blaming them for the problem.
curly | 4:53 a.m. Dec. 2, 2008
Interesting, I have read the comments, with few exceptions, they all say the
same thing. The kids are not perpetrators they are reactors; it is not their
fault; it is the fault of, well anyone but them. Even one who admitted to
�teaching� would not admit to any
responsibility for themselves or the kids.
I can see how these �dears� can think that what they do is �OK�, because many are blamed but none are responsible.
Why is it that we can�t understand that sometime between the beginning of mankind and today that these students chose to these deeds. It matters not why they chose; it matters that they did choose; therefore, they & only they are responsible for their choice & must accept the accompanying consequences, be they positive or negative.
In the full range of life these consequences will be negative.. If this blog is any indication, the immediate consequence has been and continues to be a positive reinforcement of these behaviors from those in authority and their peers. The negative consequence is delayed; thus, may not be fully recognized as a direct result of the choices they made at this time.
How sad.
I can see how these �dears� can think that what they do is �OK�, because many are blamed but none are responsible.
Why is it that we can�t understand that sometime between the beginning of mankind and today that these students chose to these deeds. It matters not why they chose; it matters that they did choose; therefore, they & only they are responsible for their choice & must accept the accompanying consequences, be they positive or negative.
In the full range of life these consequences will be negative.. If this blog is any indication, the immediate consequence has been and continues to be a positive reinforcement of these behaviors from those in authority and their peers. The negative consequence is delayed; thus, may not be fully recognized as a direct result of the choices they made at this time.
How sad.
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