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they could play | 11:13 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008

with either Utah or BYU any day ...plus they send em to the pros to stay! they also have RMs on the team as well as Polynesians , so what's the duff?..the record of who beat who speaks for itself..especially if both the utah schools flop in the bowls!

U of U Towell Boy | 11:28 a.m. Dec. 1, 2008

I heard it from an inside source that Utah is going to go PAC 10.

It's a done deal by 2012.

They like us because our football team is well endowed.

To BSU Fans | 12:15 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

WOW! You guys are as dillusional as the cougar fans. You would have at least 3 losses in the MWC. You should play TCU in the Poinsetta bowl!! TCU is ranked. We all know you will not leave that ugly smurf turf for a bowl game. Wow, that would be tough to have to play your bowl game at home!!!!!!! Oh by the way you have never played any of our (MWC)top 3 teams in any given season. You only beat bYu at home due to a missed FG at the end of the game, they were a 6 loss team that year. You played WYO a couple of times and they were 8th in the conference those years. You also beat Utah who was 4th in the conference that year. Man Up and play TCU, they will show you how irrevlevant the WAC is. Why do you think all the good WAC teams formed the MWC????

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David in New York | 12:42 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

BSU fans: BYU invented dominating the WAC. BYU invented the small-town team breaking onto the national scene. We won the WAC crown 10 years straight when we won the 84' title. BYU is the the only currently non-BCS team to take the national title since WWII. BSU now has a streak of how many WAC wins? Uh... one. Win 9 more WAC championships consecutively. Win the national championship then we can converse as equals. Then I'll give you the respect you act as if you already deserve.

dm | 1:09 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

that mark may must have a problem with boise state he hammers us all the time kind of insulting on saturday

dm | 1:16 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

just because the wac is having a down year remember bsu beat oklahoma and this year went and beat ducks so all u naysayers that dont think bsu could beat a real good team get real i think bsu would whip byu easy

Mark May? | 2:21 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

Who really listens to this moron anyway?

invented domination | 2:27 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

David in New York, stretch your mind back a little further and you may recall that dominating the WAC was not BYU's forte until Arizona and Arizona State left for the PAC-10 in 1978. The WAC was pretty balanced, but ASU was clearly the top dog. Since its inception in 1962, ASU won 5 outright, and shared 2 of the conference titles, Arizona shared in 2. In that same span BYU won 2, shared 2, but Wyoming won 3 shared 1, while New Mexico won 2 & shared 1 and Utah shared 1. During that laudable post-ASU 10 year run you mentioned, BYU shared the crown three times, having an exclusive run of seven straight. BSU won 5 in a row, 4 of them outright, and that isn't too shabby. Lets not get too high on ourselves. True, BSU's success came in the wake of BYU's departure, but the same can be said of ASU & BYU. The main point is, they took advantage of that opportunity to grow and develop, just as we did, and so far they've done a pretty good job backing it up on the field. No reason to knock them for it.

Frank Castle | 2:41 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

No way Boise ponies up and plays TCU. They'd rather play Ball St in Boise.

If (& I hope not) the MWC expands then it should be San Jose... even if its just a small piece of the San Fran/Oakland/San Jose TV Markets.

I'd invite NV-Reno or even Hawaii back before Fresno or Boise.

Miami Dolphins fan | 2:49 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

re; Mark May? | 2:21 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

>>Who really listens to this moron anyway?<<

Certainly not Lou Holtz. Or me. Thank Goodness for the Mute button.

M May likes Dave Wannstedt... if that isn't proof he's clueless then...

I have watched them all play | 3:10 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

Boise State would beat BYU, Utah, and TCU easily. Look what they have done to ANY Mountain West team. BSU beats them up big time and all the time.

I am a Utah grad but we need to face it that the Mountain West is not what we think it is. Utah barely beat Oregon State at home. BYU beat a winless Washington an a questionable call. Boise State thumped Oregon in Eugene. Look at all the common opponents and the story is set.

Texas Bob | 3:10 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

david in NY; in 84 BYU did not play anyone and beat the 4th place Big 10 team in a close bowl game. They were 10-0 in what was then the WAC. BYU being name National Champions raised such a cry, that we now have the BCS mess. There were at least 10 teams that year that could have beat BYU handily. As for BSU, take a guess who has the most players in the NFL right now BSU or BYU. Be careful what you ask for, BSU is recruting in Texas as we write.

Texas Bob | 3:19 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

In case you guys don't remember, Mark May played for U of Pittsburg.

Dylan | 3:26 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

Mountain West homers are delusional. At what point does a perfect 12-0 against your conference register to you boneheads as legitimate. Aside from a blunder against BYZOO, Boise State has effectively shredded opponents from the Mountain West, dominating BYZOO on their "sacred" home field, thrashing a formidable Utah team on theirs 36-3 in 2006. Taking these things into consideration, you would have to be a moron to suggest that BSU wouldn't compete for the MWC title year in and year out the same way that Utah and TCU do.

My personal opinion is that it would be bad for Boise State, Utah, TCU, and BYU if BSU joined the conference. It would be a gauntlet of a conference schedule, and as it is that a team needs to be perfect to bust the BCS, it is much less likely with BSU in the conference. So let us beat up on our teams while you beat up on your teams, because the worse thing that can happen is that we end up beating up on each other, and then NOBODY gets to go to a BCS bowl, and NOBODY gets any money.

Anonymous | 3:30 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

My personal opinion is that it would be bad for Boise State, Utah, TCU, and BYU if BSU joined the conference. It would be a gauntlet of a conference schedule, and as it is that a team needs to be perfect to bust the BCS, it is much less likely with BSU in the conference. So let us beat up on our teams while you beat up on your teams, because the worse thing that can happen is that we end up beating up on each other, and then NOBODY gets to go to a BCS bowl, and NOBODY gets any money.

Scheduling.... | 3:31 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

I know its easier to get the "big boys" to come play you at home if you have more money to "entice them." I'm sure the MWC has some to the same problems getting those games.

I would like to see more BCS teams take home & home series versus BSU. (Kudos to U of O and OSU for doing it.) Unfortunately, our athletic director has to schedule based on the economics for the program and to sastify the fans.

BSU has been a 1A program for only 10 years... and in that time we have established dominance in our conference. (Albeit a mostly week conference with the occasional challengers.)

Summed up... we are still growing... we are still getting better... and pretty soon we will be in the MWC proving ourselves.

Bring on TCU in San Diego!

BSU FAN | 3:53 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

I think BSU would beat each and every MWC team this year if the two of them played. That doesn't say much for the MWC. BSU has had a VERY easy schedule this year and our kids are mostly Soph. and Freshman.
The next two years will be interesting. I think within the next two years, you will see some good things come out of Boise State.

Eric Olson | 3:53 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

Texas Bob, the BC$ was established to keep the $$$ in the big conferences. It isn't that difficult creating a fair system. When the wolves are placed in charge of the hen house, there will always be casualties.

BillA | 4:14 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

This BSU hype sounds a lot like the San Diego State situation 30 years ago. Before joining the WAC (predecessor to the MWC), San Diego State used to routinely whup up on overmatched opponents in a weak conference that included North Texas State. The Aztecs aspired and thought they deserved to be invited to the PAC-10. When they joined the WAC/MWC it was a disappointment. But, fans consoled themselves with the assurance of annual league championships and Holiday Bowl appearances. Yeah, right. What makes BSU think they would fare any better stepping up to the MWC than the Aztecs have done?

Anonymous | 5:07 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

BSU.. Zip you mouths!
Go eat some POTATOES and be glad you have electricity and running water!

You are worse that Cougar fans

re:Anonymous | 5:07 p.m. | 6:02 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

Remember Glen told us all that there are women posting, so be classy.

Get BSU into the MWC | 6:07 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

How do we get BSU into the MWC! I think this would be GREAT. The MWC had surpassed the Pac-10 and every other BCS conference execpt the Big-12 and SEC this year. Thank you Utah, TCU, AFA, and BYU!

MWC would have fewer 12-0 teams but if you think the MWC is dominating the Pac-10 now, just think what adding BSU would do.

Could we trade BSU for Wyoming? Cowboys need to go somewhere they can compete - they would be a good team in the WAC.

stephen | 6:31 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

yep, goes to show just what an idiot the MWC commissioner really is. There shouldn't be any hesitation on the rest of the conference to invite BSC to the party. They're 12-0 vs MWC teams. Adding Boise State to the MWC would then be all the more reason to remove, and I mean REMOVE Utah State from both BYU's and Utah's schedule (stop scheduling patsy, mean-nothing-games) to the schedule. My vote is to bring Boise into the fold. MWC Commissioner, for once, do something right. And if you do...you're still an idiot.

Play BCS | 6:36 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

This discussion shouldnï¿½t even be taking place To match two of the best non BCS teams against each other is something the BCS conference is praying for. These two teams will play with any of the top ten teams in the nation. They should be playing against a really good BCS team. Boise State beat a pretty good Oklahoma team two years ago on there own turf. and TCU can play with anyone and beat them on a neutral field this year.

BSU4ever | 6:51 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

Hey Dick...have you noticed the news in Boise? Obviously the first choice for BSU is a BCS game, then we want a TCU game. Very few fans or players want to stay in Boise for a game. You need to "man up" and recognize BSU's record against the "almighty" MWC....this tough talk and arrogance is almost exactly what I heard two years ago when BSU played the big bad Utes in SLC. How the Utes would humble an inferior BSU...blah, blah, blah. Kept going on my way to the game, in the stands...then the 3rd quarter, it was like a BSU home game and the might Ute fans slinked out of the stadium quietly.

Quality wins? Michigan? ooooh..., what was your score against New Mexico? Do you seriously count the BYU win? Oh yeah, I forgot, BSU played Idaho State...but Utah played the big old tough Weber State. I will give you the quality of a win over a good TCU team. By the way...what was the score of the Oregon/Oregon State game this last weekend? Utah barely beat OSU in SLC but the weak inferior Broncos struggled with Oregon in Oregon. Enough said.

dm | 7:04 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

i see a lot of talking down to boise state in the preseason they were supposed to come 2nd to fresno which got stomped 61-10 on saturday broncos had a new QB and a bunch of untested players and waxed a down Wac conference oh yeah beat the ducks in their stadium

BSU Fans are Delusional | 7:06 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

Just like BYU Fans were in the 90's.

At least BYU played some quality opponents in the 90's. Here's some of the teams they played OOC in the 90's (when they were in the WAC)

Florida State
Miami
Washington State
Oregon
Penn State
UCLA
Notre Dame
Arizona State
Washington
Alabama

Wow. BSU has a long ways to go. Maybe if they played some quality opponents every year, they would get some respect. Must be nice to have a joke of a schedule every year. At least BYU played good OOC teams. I'm tired of hearing the mighty donkey fans make every excuse in the book about their schedule. Michigan may have been down this year, but winning at the Big House is a big deal. BSU has no guts to schedule that kind of game. BSU's AD has an incentive in his contract if he schedules two BCS opponents every year. Well, he won't get it this year or the next, or the next...If BSU plays in their home bowl, they will continue to be a joke and no one will take them seriously.

Rob | 7:47 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

All I have to say is look at the score last time Boise played Utah in Utah. Boise would spank every team in the MWC this year and for the past 4 seasons. I don't understand why everyone wouldn't want BSU in the MWC. It would make the conference much more recognizable, possibly even getting an automatic bid to the BCS.

Also anyone that is bad mouthing BSU should listen to ESPN.

Duck Guy | 8:10 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

i hope the pac-10 does not invite boise state for any games next year, boise played cheap and did alot of head hunting, and as far as that blue field goes, well that should be outlawed, its ugly,next thing you know they will want to change the color of the football, get real, get green!

Oregon & Ole Miss too | 8:39 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

The only "endowments" in terms of college football I care about are; the USC Cheerleaders & Florida St Cowgirls.

Now, that is something worth "using the google for"

Miami Dolphins fan | 8:42 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

re: Texas Bob | 3:19 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

>>In case you guys don't remember, Mark May played for U of Pittsburg.<<

So did real good players who had substanial pro careers; Marino & Tony Dorsett.

Get real MWC/WAC | 8:58 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

I can't believe people are actually argueing these points of BSU/UTAH/BYU/TCU. Not one of these teams could consistantly be in the middle of the pack of anyone of the BCS conferences. Maybe once in a blue moon one of them might compete for a season for 2nd or 3rd in an elite conference. You might as weel throw out BYU for any consideration to go to an elite conference as they have petitioned the PAC-10 for years and they want nothing to do with them. One season doesn't make a career/lifetime BYU. TCU would have a shot as they could recruit some of the big names in Texas if they were in an elite conference. BSU...get over it...you have little/no fan base outside of Boise hence you have no following. Utah has recruited well out of state (I don'r mean the LDS return missionaries in California.) They mix up the western states and have done well in Texas. When was the last time a real blue chip athlete came to play for one of these schools. I mean a kid from Texas, California, Florida, etc...NEVER!!! Why, because the region has too many stigmas. Go away BYU and BSU love eachother!!!!

BSU fan | 9:35 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

These forums are a joke, how do you come up with that BSU would lose 4-5 games in the Mountain West Conference. I agree the WAC is extremely weak and they need to get out, but why wouldn't they compete in the MWC, there is no measuring stick to support your opinon only that they are undefeated against them. This years BSU team was a surprise, they are the youngest team in the top 25, have a freshman quarterback, and have one of the top defenses in the nation. I know whats coming next they didn't play anybody but whatever. Also you Mark May fans ask him about the beginning of the year when he declared Fresno was the best non-BCS team in the nation and they would come into Boise and destroy us? We know what happened there. Quit hating on BSU and look at your figure out your own teams issues. Oh yea all you Pac-10 homers I'm sorry our little mid-major school was too physical for you, next year will let up a little bit so you don't get hurt.

BSU Bronco | 9:50 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

Hey Duck Guy - I'd take our blue turf over your gosh awful collection of green (or whatever) "uniforms" any day.

BRONCOS THE REAL BCS BUSTERS!! | 10:11 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

Lets change the name of the article to "Utah needs to man up and play a real team in a bowl game"! Why dont we talk about that for a minute BSU has played some top teams in Bowl games over the past 5 years #7 Oklahoma, #8 Louisville, #18 Boston College. Who has Utah played in there Bowls this Decade? No one they played a High School in there Fiesta Bowl and have played Navy and other weak schools in that time frame. Man up and play a real team in your BCS game this year. I know for a fact that your hoping you get the big East champ or the ACC champ again, that way you might get a victory. Play OU like we had to in 06 or one of the top teams in the SEC like Hawaii did and see what happens, you guys would get hammered!

In regards to the people saying that Boise State dosnt have any Blue Chip recurits from out of state, Do a little research we have a few Blue Chippers. Does Ian Jhonson, Jermey Childs, or Kellen Moore ring a bell. All 3 recruited by the big boys!!

Dogooder | 11:13 p.m. Dec. 1, 2008

Get real. Why would BSU bother with TCU? The BSU/ MWC win/loss record speaks for itself. Utah is rated higher because of pre-season ranking and BSU would likely kick their butts based on defenses and SOS's. BSU remains a bigger national draw than TCU or Utah (they're still replaying parts of the Fiesta Bowl on ESPN if you hadn't noticed). The Mountain West and BSU will benefit from having them in the same conference but this bowl stuff is just plain non-sense. Think about it. Does the MWC gain more with a BSU match up or by seeing two teams match up against BCS schools? I'll wait for your answer. Take your time. Stupid article.

forum8usa | 9:10 a.m. Dec. 2, 2008

When Boise State joins the MWC everyone will see how good they are. They are the only non-BCS team that is actually qualified at its current ranking. Utah is a joke! Their only semi-impressive win is against a highly-touted but highly overrated BYU. Two and three point wins against TCU, Oregon State, Michigan, and NEW MEXICO do NOT impress. They should have lost all of those games. They will get smoked in their bowl game and be known as the new Hawaii. Thanks... that's really going to give the non-BCS a good reputation.

Further, Boise State has been the most consistent team of the last 10 years. And that is with four coaching changes. It doesn't matter which conference you are in when dealing with change. All the MWC schools complain that Boise got them on their down year. Well... maybe you should all man up and just admit that Boise State is better... or you can wait until they join the conference and beat you all year in and year out.

PLAYOFF | 12:40 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008

We need a playoff to end all the speculation and controversy.

The BCS is a crock!

Ute-Spud | 2:21 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008

I grew up in idaho, live in SLC, and I like and watched both teams this year. BSU would be a great addition to the MWC, and by the other comments the start of a great rivalry. Even if Utah "lucked" out this year on a couple of wins, if BSU played their schedule they would not be undefeated. I dont think they would loose 3 or 4 , but 1 or maybe 2. If they join it will be hard for any team to ever run the table again in the MWC. Why do all BSU fans live in the past? Sure they beat Oklahoma, but they couldn't do it this year.They had great games against the MWC in the past, but the timing was right.The MWC dominated the PAC 10 this year, but will they in 3 more years, not likely. I hope both teams get a good bowl game and each win.

Anonymous | 10:43 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008

I was surprised to hear an ï¿½expertï¿½ like Mark May say Boise State would have 4 losses in the Mountain West but I really doubt they would be undefeated. Even if he exaggerated how much respect can you expect playing in the WAC on blue turf? No one wants to see a repeat of Hawaii-Georgia. That's not going to help any non-BCS team it feeds the bias.

BSU breezed through the WAC in 2004 too but was completely overmatched against Louisville. Then they needed to pull out every trick in the book to beat Oklahoma in one of their worst years. Seriously that QB was no Sam Bradford. I'm not saying Boise State isn't a good team but it's hard to tell just how good when they play all these WAC teams. A lot of 4-loss teams could easily go undefeated with the same schedule.

Anonymous | 10:45 p.m. Dec. 2, 2008

Man up is right not just to set up a Boise-TCU bowl. Boise and maybe Fresno should be added to the Muntain West and then the problem would be solved in the future. To me it makes no sense to have a watered down conference with 1-2 good teams at the top going undefeated every year. Why not add Boise and maybe Fresno to the Mountain West and then if they win they won't get left out of the BCS. A one loss team in this conference would probably still get in the BCS and have a better chance to compete with the big boys than some undefeated paper champion used to playing cupcakes.

broncophan | 9:30 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008

people like to claim that Ohio's 100k+ stadium is proof that they're a better bowl choice than BSU, since BSU's stadium holds about 34k. That's totally silly. As season ticket holders every year, we constantly have friends and acquaintances begging for our extra tickets when we don't take the kids. The parking lots and streets within a mile of the stadium are chocked full of people with no tickets, partying on the sidewalks. The bars and restaurants are jammed with blue and orange clad fans. It's pure speculation, but I bet we have another 30k of fans turning out in public to watch the game, NOT in the stadium. Then there are the people at home watching it on tv...And watch how much orange you see in away stadiums for those games! We travel, too. My point is, if BSU had a stadium that held 60k, I bet we'd sell it out too. Do you have any idea what it is like to get season tickets here? We've got a lot more fan base than all you outside realize. GO BRONCOS! (And Go Utah!)

Match up with BCS teams | 9:48 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008

Let BSU, TCU, Ball St. and BYU beat the crap out of the weaker BCS conference teams instead of each other. When those BCS teams loose they will drop in the computer rankings and the MWC teams will be elevated allowing for a greater possibility for the MWC to replace the BIG East as an automatic quailifier. There is a formula for a conference to replace another in the BCS - it is based on the computer rankings. However, Boise vs TCU would be fun to watch as would a Boise vs BYU game.

haha | 2:41 p.m. Dec. 3, 2008

k for one boise you guys are worse then cougar fans when it comes to arrogence. boise has played nobody this year, you show me one team that was good besides oregon, and yeah you beat utah in 05, so what we had lost our coach and half our star players plus thats when you guys were like is in 04, this year is different, you arent that good! face it! and another thing the mwc doesnt want you, so go play in smurf land with your potatoes and the idaho states of the world. after all those teams are better then byu and tcu and airforce and utah. heck i even be wyoming would destroy fresno. but on second thought, come to the mwc prove to us you can beat us in conference play, you may not have a rival now but wait till you play the mwc cuz all of us hate you and your egos. go grow some potatoes

Anonymous | 9:25 p.m. Dec. 3, 2008

Some people think 2 non-BCS teams versus each other is a bad idea because it will be seen as basically a match-up of 2 lightweights. I like to see non-BCS teams beat big-Name teams from bigger conferances as much as anyone but what will it really prove if TCU blows out Arizona in the Vegas bowl or if Boise beats Wake Forest, Maryland, Ball State etc. in the Humanitarian Bowl? That's just not going to surprise or impress anyone.

These teams are already getting a lot of national respect and would be in a BCS bowl if Utah wasn't already ranked higher. Unless something crazy happens, Boise State - TCU is the best possible match-up available for both teams. Give these teams a chance to play a competitive team from another conference and see who is really better.

avatar | 1:45 a.m. Dec. 4, 2008

Boise should be allowed a BCS game- they did beat Oregon at their house.
They are undefeated and like BYU says, you can't pick your schedule- you play who you play.
They beat a solid Oklahoma team in one of the best games ever!
Boise would draw solid viewership so we could watch the magic again.
It is still very difficult to go through the season undefeated. 2 dropped passes in the Utah- TCU game and everything goes Boise's way.

What does | 4:24 p.m. Dec. 4, 2008

Beating a mediocre Oregon team have to do w/ anything. Are you just bringing up the only team with a legit record. other than the 4 or 5 7-5 WAC teams you beat the rest all had sub .500 records. Come on Boise you're schedule was a cake walk even though you almost slipped on the frosting and lost to Nevada, you're weak. Hope you draw TCU. you'll probably stay home and play another weak team to add to your schedule

Frogman | 2:36 p.m. Dec. 7, 2008

It looks like TCU and BSU will be playing should be a good game.

Although, TCU lost to Utah I believe we are the best MWC team.

Those missed field goals were the killer.

They beat us the last time in Fort Worth in a nail biter.

May the best team win. This should be one of the better bowl games this year.

BSU Rulez | 7:27 p.m. Dec. 7, 2008

BSU is the best team in the country we won all our games and your team didn't win all their games so they cant say they are the best and we can and we beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl and the MWC hasn't beat anyone good in a BCS bowl and Alex Smith is a hack just like the rest of the MWC.

to bs-you-who | 3:52 p.m. Dec. 8, 2008

so since when did academics have anything to do with how well a football team can play huh? you make no sense
and for the rest of you, come the 23rd, boise state will ONCE AGAIN prove that they deserve more recognition.
what kind of mascot is a horned frog anyway??

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