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Leon | 3:17 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
A couple of the comments have the answer, in part, to the BCS. Schools from all
the other conferences need to pressure the NCAA to set up an equivelant to the
BCS to include teams based on quality of play without consideration for which
conferences they represent, including BCS schools, if they qualify. The program
of selecting a national champion from the teams presently represented by the BCS
is bogus. Every year we talk about it but nothing is done. We need to stop
whining and do something positive.
No matter... | 3:31 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
where you go, there is Bureaucracy...
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Jessica | 3:51 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
It really is getting pathetic listening to all of you non-Ute fans complaining
about the BCS system.
You will never hear a Ute fan complain about the BCS system. However, you will hear Ute fans cheer at how many millions and millions of dollars their football program and the University's academic programs get from the BCS.
Complain all you want, the Utes are laughing all the way to the bank (twice). There is a good chance that Utah will three-peat next year into the BCS.
You will never hear a Ute fan complain about the BCS system. However, you will hear Ute fans cheer at how many millions and millions of dollars their football program and the University's academic programs get from the BCS.
Complain all you want, the Utes are laughing all the way to the bank (twice). There is a good chance that Utah will three-peat next year into the BCS.
John Lambert | 4:13 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
I have a prediction. BYU will NEVER make it to a BCS bowl. Utah will get
invited every couple of years or so.
It will be just like BYU's basketball team:
Since BYU won it's last NCAA tournament game in 1992, the Utes have won 16 NCAA tournament games.
BYU athletics have been in a slow gradual decline for about the last 4-5 years. Their programs will continue the road to mediocracy. The Utes will be left to carry the mantle of greatness all by themselves. It is unfortunate, but a reality.
It will be just like BYU's basketball team:
Since BYU won it's last NCAA tournament game in 1992, the Utes have won 16 NCAA tournament games.
BYU athletics have been in a slow gradual decline for about the last 4-5 years. Their programs will continue the road to mediocracy. The Utes will be left to carry the mantle of greatness all by themselves. It is unfortunate, but a reality.
I'm Laughing At A Ute Fan | 4:14 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
By "tough schedule" you mean the
74th toughest schedule in the country??
haha
Hope you get a good bowl opponent.(SEC/Big12)
It will be illuminating.
74th toughest schedule in the country??
haha
Hope you get a good bowl opponent.(SEC/Big12)
It will be illuminating.
To: I'm laughing At A Ute Fan | 4:31 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Utah played a much tougher schedule than any other undefeated non-BCS school.
Boise's strength of schedule was 118. Yes folks, you heard right, 118. How
pathetic!
Boise needs to do much better than that if they want to make a legitimate case that they deserve to go to the BCS.
Boise needs to do much better than that if they want to make a legitimate case that they deserve to go to the BCS.
still laughing, not impressed | 4:39 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Undefeated against a girly schedule doesn't impress.
There are lots of three-loss teams out there that could (and one of them will, in a bowl) mop up a stadium with Utah.
The point is not to sneak thru a weak schedule without a loss (or test)(- see Hawaii);
the point is to find the best team.
Win-loss record is a good indication if it is vs. a legitimate schedule, not vs the Mountain West.
sorry
There are lots of three-loss teams out there that could (and one of them will, in a bowl) mop up a stadium with Utah.
The point is not to sneak thru a weak schedule without a loss (or test)(- see Hawaii);
the point is to find the best team.
Win-loss record is a good indication if it is vs. a legitimate schedule, not vs the Mountain West.
sorry
To John Lambert | 4:40 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
You forgot about Danny Ainge and th 1981 game against Notre Dame. BYU was
really good in 1981. You can never take that away from us.
Some interesting facts:
� BYU holds the record for most NCAA tournament appearances without appearing in the Final 4.
� Since BYU won it's last NCAA tournament game (1992-1993) the Utes have won 16 NCAA tournament games
Some interesting facts:
� BYU holds the record for most NCAA tournament appearances without appearing in the Final 4.
� Since BYU won it's last NCAA tournament game (1992-1993) the Utes have won 16 NCAA tournament games
Sixteen team playoff | 4:46 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Use the BCS top 16 (prior to this week's games) and after tweaking to avoid
first round rematches of regular season games, here's what I get:
#1 Alabama
#16 Cincinati
#8 Penn St.
#9 Boise St.
#4 Florida
#13 Missouri
#5 USC
#12 Oklahoma St.
#2 Texas
#15 TCU
#7 Texas Tech
#10 Ohio St.
#3 Oklahoma
#14 Ball St.
#6 Utah
#11 Georgia
I think this presents some interesting match ups and would eliminate some of the questioning (Is USC really good enough for a BCS game?) and so forth. Utah could be upset by Georgia, but so could several other teams in the bracket as well. Shorten the regular season to 10 games and then the most any team would end up playing is 14 overall, pretty much what they play now anyway! Play the first round at Thanksgiving and then take a two week break for finals. Then through mid-December up to New Years, play the rest of the games. Keeps College football relevant during the 'break' between the regular season and New Years Day.
#1 Alabama
#16 Cincinati
#8 Penn St.
#9 Boise St.
#4 Florida
#13 Missouri
#5 USC
#12 Oklahoma St.
#2 Texas
#15 TCU
#7 Texas Tech
#10 Ohio St.
#3 Oklahoma
#14 Ball St.
#6 Utah
#11 Georgia
I think this presents some interesting match ups and would eliminate some of the questioning (Is USC really good enough for a BCS game?) and so forth. Utah could be upset by Georgia, but so could several other teams in the bracket as well. Shorten the regular season to 10 games and then the most any team would end up playing is 14 overall, pretty much what they play now anyway! Play the first round at Thanksgiving and then take a two week break for finals. Then through mid-December up to New Years, play the rest of the games. Keeps College football relevant during the 'break' between the regular season and New Years Day.
Mark in Peoria | 4:51 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
re: SOS
I am not one who has mocked the ACC. The ACC deserves to send their champion to the BCS. They are a very deep and balanced conference. I have mocked the Big-East by calling them the Big-Easy, but that is another story.
However, the ACC does lack something that the SEC and Big-12 seem to get: BCS wins. The ACC has lost 90% of their BCS games. 90%!
Maybe this will be their year since they seem likely to play a Big-East team. Even still...don't hold your breath.
I am not one who has mocked the ACC. The ACC deserves to send their champion to the BCS. They are a very deep and balanced conference. I have mocked the Big-East by calling them the Big-Easy, but that is another story.
However, the ACC does lack something that the SEC and Big-12 seem to get: BCS wins. The ACC has lost 90% of their BCS games. 90%!
Maybe this will be their year since they seem likely to play a Big-East team. Even still...don't hold your breath.
Crimson Club | 5:01 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Get over yourselves! The Utes don't want a playoff system. The Utes are
very happy to play in the current system and receive their millions and millions
(and millions) from the BCS.
The BIG 12, SEC and PAC 10 are also against the playoff system. These conferences are perfectly happy with the way it is.
The only people who want to see a playoff system are the ones who will never get a BCS invite because their football programs are not up to the challenge.
The playoff system will never happen. Stop your whining and go rake the leaves.
The BIG 12, SEC and PAC 10 are also against the playoff system. These conferences are perfectly happy with the way it is.
The only people who want to see a playoff system are the ones who will never get a BCS invite because their football programs are not up to the challenge.
The playoff system will never happen. Stop your whining and go rake the leaves.
BCS is ridiculous | 5:03 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
I agree, we need to dump the BCS, but I think we need to realize it won't
happen for a while, there is too much money involved for the "power"
conferences, and this new deal with ESPN won't help much. And to all of
those saying Utah will be dominated, I guess that's why they play the
games. I heard many people say they would get killed by TCU, and let's face
it that didn't happen, they made plays when they needed too, and caught
some breaks along the way. They took care of BYU, and for the first time all
year looked like they were clicking on all cylinders for 60 minutes of football.
All we can do is let em play the game and see what happens. I'll be rooting
for them whoever they play. Go Utes!!!
playoff | 5:13 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
The SEC and ACC have gone on record calling for a football playoff.
The babies in the Pac10 and "Big"10 oppose it.
The babies in the Pac10 and "Big"10 oppose it.
Crimson Club RedSweatshirtLosers | 5:18 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
re:"Crimson Club | 5:01 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Get over yourselves! The Utes don't want a playoff system."
Do Ya Think???!!!
Really???!!!
In a playoff the Utes would not get past anyone. Utah was lucky to get past TCU, OSU, UNM, BYU and Michigan.
Can you see them playing in a playoff setting?
For the Utah fans, it's not about playing and proving anything. Would they give up what they have for a shot at the National Championship???
No way. Right now they know they are 12-0, how lucky they are to be there (Go back and watch any of the games, or even just look at the stats). Give us the check, let us lose respectfully, and we will go hide.
Next year the Utes are instant mediocrity. Look how their game dropped after 2004.
The Utes have never been a football program, they never want a shot at a National Championship, they don't want the trophy for their display case, they just want to get their "Certificate of Participation", cash, and go back to building for their bowl game next year, same as it ever was, in LES.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
Get over yourselves! The Utes don't want a playoff system."
Do Ya Think???!!!
Really???!!!
In a playoff the Utes would not get past anyone. Utah was lucky to get past TCU, OSU, UNM, BYU and Michigan.
Can you see them playing in a playoff setting?
For the Utah fans, it's not about playing and proving anything. Would they give up what they have for a shot at the National Championship???
No way. Right now they know they are 12-0, how lucky they are to be there (Go back and watch any of the games, or even just look at the stats). Give us the check, let us lose respectfully, and we will go hide.
Next year the Utes are instant mediocrity. Look how their game dropped after 2004.
The Utes have never been a football program, they never want a shot at a National Championship, they don't want the trophy for their display case, they just want to get their "Certificate of Participation", cash, and go back to building for their bowl game next year, same as it ever was, in LES.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
ACC cont | 5:30 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
And the ACC will be sending nine teams to Bowls this year, not bad for a really
crummy year.
Running Ute | 5:38 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Crimson Club RedSweatshirtLosers wrote:
"The Utes have never been a football program, they never want a shot at a National Championship, they don't want the trophy for their display case, they just want to get their "Certificate of Participation", cash, and go back to building for their bowl game next year, same as it ever was."
Stop your whining. Have you looked at the University of Utah's endowment lately? It is 3 (three) times larger than BYU's endowment. You can have your playoff system. The Utes are fine without it and content with their millions and millions and millions of BCS loot, world class academic reputation, top cancer research institute and the very best football and basketball programs in the MWC.
You can all continue to be jealous and bitter of the Ute's success. We really don't care because we are too busy counting all of our BCS loot (millions and millions and millions).
"The Utes have never been a football program, they never want a shot at a National Championship, they don't want the trophy for their display case, they just want to get their "Certificate of Participation", cash, and go back to building for their bowl game next year, same as it ever was."
Stop your whining. Have you looked at the University of Utah's endowment lately? It is 3 (three) times larger than BYU's endowment. You can have your playoff system. The Utes are fine without it and content with their millions and millions and millions of BCS loot, world class academic reputation, top cancer research institute and the very best football and basketball programs in the MWC.
You can all continue to be jealous and bitter of the Ute's success. We really don't care because we are too busy counting all of our BCS loot (millions and millions and millions).
the truth | 6:01 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Remember you heard it here first:
Utah will play the least of the BCS teams going to BCS bowl games.
BYU and Boise in san diego in the poinsettia bowl, BYU will bring a bigger audience more so than TCU.
TCU in LV playing some mediocre PAC 10 team, LV Bowl will pick TCU because BYU has already been there the last couple of years.
Utah will play the least of the BCS teams going to BCS bowl games.
BYU and Boise in san diego in the poinsettia bowl, BYU will bring a bigger audience more so than TCU.
TCU in LV playing some mediocre PAC 10 team, LV Bowl will pick TCU because BYU has already been there the last couple of years.
The truth hurts | 6:19 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Hey Cougtucky and Malakain, analyze this:
Boise State 3 - Utah 0
Boise State 2 - BYU -0
Boise State 13 - MWC 0
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I feel your pain fellas, so justify or put any spin on it you want so you can find some comfort. (That psychological process is called rationalization)
Just imagine, it will take 13 wins in a row to tie up the record.
So you'd better say Giddiup pretty quickly or it will soon be 14 - 0 and then 15 - 0. Imagine again; Boise State is a young program, and its starting 22 this year was made up of mostly freshmen and sophomores - Kellen Moore, the Boise State quarterback, is a FRESHMAN.
The truth really does hurt, no matter how loudly you moan and whine.
Oh, I forgot, all of that is in the past or better yet, it's Gary Crowton's fault. You're right, 13-0 is a bad dream, a mirage, a prior lifetime, something that doesn't happen to good people, denial, denial, denial.
Happy holidays.
Boise State 3 - Utah 0
Boise State 2 - BYU -0
Boise State 13 - MWC 0
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I feel your pain fellas, so justify or put any spin on it you want so you can find some comfort. (That psychological process is called rationalization)
Just imagine, it will take 13 wins in a row to tie up the record.
So you'd better say Giddiup pretty quickly or it will soon be 14 - 0 and then 15 - 0. Imagine again; Boise State is a young program, and its starting 22 this year was made up of mostly freshmen and sophomores - Kellen Moore, the Boise State quarterback, is a FRESHMAN.
The truth really does hurt, no matter how loudly you moan and whine.
Oh, I forgot, all of that is in the past or better yet, it's Gary Crowton's fault. You're right, 13-0 is a bad dream, a mirage, a prior lifetime, something that doesn't happen to good people, denial, denial, denial.
Happy holidays.
woody | 6:32 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
I think most bloggers seem to forget the fact that the MWC has no tv tie-ins.
We see 2 or 3 teams from the east every weekend and from big 10 to the Pac. When
do we wake up and get some coverage to go back east for the people will now we
still play a pretty good brand of football, to.
Anonymous | 6:39 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Teams that go to bowls play AT LEAST 13 games already (maybe more depending on
conference championships). Cut 1 game off the regular season. A 16 team
playoff would make 16 teams play 13 total, 8 teams play 14 total, 4 play 15, and
2 play 16. Is a game or two extra for 8 teams in the whole country a big deal?
I'm sure those schools would make exceptions for these athletes (they
already do). Or as previously mentioned, take a week or two off in early
December for finals and that's solved. We go through Jan 7 anyway so
there's time.
There would be 15 total playoff games and that would make at least TWICE twice the money the current BCS makes. The "BCS Schools" would make up 3/4 of the playoff teams anyway so they'd be getting their money.
Do we not think that a College Football Playoff would be the biggest money maker ever? Can you imagine the ratings? I'd be much more inclined to watch every round of this no matter who is playing vs. watching some meaningless BCS game (besides the Nat. Championship). There is so much more money to be made...
There would be 15 total playoff games and that would make at least TWICE twice the money the current BCS makes. The "BCS Schools" would make up 3/4 of the playoff teams anyway so they'd be getting their money.
Do we not think that a College Football Playoff would be the biggest money maker ever? Can you imagine the ratings? I'd be much more inclined to watch every round of this no matter who is playing vs. watching some meaningless BCS game (besides the Nat. Championship). There is so much more money to be made...
Ron Smith | 6:43 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Yeah I would say it is frustrating the part about Utah being a little puppy. The
BCS throws us a bone in 04 and this year. But other than that it doesn't
even let us sniff a National Title shot. I am pretty realistic this Utah team
doesn't seem to have the same impact as 2004. I am a little skeptical to
think this year they could beat a Alabama, Florida, Texas, Ohio State. Brian
Johnson has been clutch and has had some luck this year not the dominating
fashion as Utah was in 04 that is a question I think all Ute fans would have
liked to have answered could they have won a title in 04.
I guess at the end of the day I think there are a lot of people who would at least like to see BSU or Utah get a shot at a title Then we would all know where MWC football stands instead of all the speculation back and forth. Also You would think an easy fix for MWC teams and BSU would be play the top sec and big12 teams in your schedule. Bigschools don't want an early loss so they don't--schedule--tough--teams--and--rely--on--their--conf--strength
I guess at the end of the day I think there are a lot of people who would at least like to see BSU or Utah get a shot at a title Then we would all know where MWC football stands instead of all the speculation back and forth. Also You would think an easy fix for MWC teams and BSU would be play the top sec and big12 teams in your schedule. Bigschools don't want an early loss so they don't--schedule--tough--teams--and--rely--on--their--conf--strength
re:Running Ute | 7:03 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
"Crimson Club RedSweatshirtLosers wrote:
"The Utes have never been a football program, they never want a shot at a National Championship, they don't want the trophy for their display case, they just want to get their "Certificate of Participation", cash, and go back to building for their bowl game next year, same as it ever was."
And your response was "stop whining"???
OSU is getting smashed right now by Oregon.
Utah's huge endowment? A majority of it should be returned to the San Francisco 49'ers.
How about spending all of those millions on a stadium with portable seats, so you can take them out and make the stadium look full, then put them back in when a team with fans shows up.
Utah is and will always be irelevant, occasionally rising above mediocrity, but will never be the game other teams circle on their calendar.
Whining is what Utah does, and does best.
Why didn't you finish the quote:
"and go back to building for their bowl game next year, same as it ever was, in LES.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was."
Utah, from BCS Bowl, to LES Bowl.
Same as it ever was.
"The Utes have never been a football program, they never want a shot at a National Championship, they don't want the trophy for their display case, they just want to get their "Certificate of Participation", cash, and go back to building for their bowl game next year, same as it ever was."
And your response was "stop whining"???
OSU is getting smashed right now by Oregon.
Utah's huge endowment? A majority of it should be returned to the San Francisco 49'ers.
How about spending all of those millions on a stadium with portable seats, so you can take them out and make the stadium look full, then put them back in when a team with fans shows up.
Utah is and will always be irelevant, occasionally rising above mediocrity, but will never be the game other teams circle on their calendar.
Whining is what Utah does, and does best.
Why didn't you finish the quote:
"and go back to building for their bowl game next year, same as it ever was, in LES.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was."
Utah, from BCS Bowl, to LES Bowl.
Same as it ever was.
re:Ron Smith | 7:09 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
I totally agree with you.
I mean, all of the different posters saying Utah is happy with the BCS, but come on, what if a Utah, BYU, Ball State or BSU were to get a spark of magic, get a run going, and be an NC State, a Cinderella.
Why settle for an occasional bone when you could have a shot at the whole cow?
I think college football could use some fresh air.
I mean, all of the different posters saying Utah is happy with the BCS, but come on, what if a Utah, BYU, Ball State or BSU were to get a spark of magic, get a run going, and be an NC State, a Cinderella.
Why settle for an occasional bone when you could have a shot at the whole cow?
I think college football could use some fresh air.
Footbal fan | 8:02 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Utah nor BYU has any business in the big games, they are small level programs,
with division two type schedules.
Cosmo | 8:07 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Crimson Club RedSweatshirtLosers,
Give it up man. It's over. You are starting to sound as bitter as my ex-wife. Don't have a cow, BYU will have lots of chances in the future. It's the Ute's year.
You should be happy for the MWC that at least one of their teams got an invite to the BCS.
Would you like some cheese with your WHINE?
Give it up man. It's over. You are starting to sound as bitter as my ex-wife. Don't have a cow, BYU will have lots of chances in the future. It's the Ute's year.
You should be happy for the MWC that at least one of their teams got an invite to the BCS.
Would you like some cheese with your WHINE?
SOS | 9:05 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Looks Like Utah's SOS took a hit tonight. Oregon Crushed Oregon State, AT
Oregon State. Utah eeked out a desperate win AT Utah. Boise State beat Oregon AT
Oregon, Same QB as tonight too. Utah is a joke and will get pounded in their BCS
fantasy game.
Small town girl | 9:44 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Utah does not want a playoff, they need the free ticket in. Tehy would be
embarassed in the first round.
GatorFan | 9:56 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Despite their current weakness, the Pac-10 and Big East are BCS conferences
because of their ties to the big bowl games that make up the BCS. The BCS is
supposed to clearly settle (although they haven't been particularly
successful at this) who is the national champion and the other games are just
great matchups that throw off a lot of money to the participants.
I heard today that if both Utah and Boise State make it to the big dance, the BCS is considering putting them together in the same bowl. The thinking is that they'll depress viewership in whichever BCS bowl they play in, so rather than have them stink up 2 games, have them ruin one. Guess that's a combination of lack of respect and TV money (the real business of the BCS). I, for one, would like to see Utah and Boise State take on teams from the major conferences, but as long as your happy with just being invited...
I heard today that if both Utah and Boise State make it to the big dance, the BCS is considering putting them together in the same bowl. The thinking is that they'll depress viewership in whichever BCS bowl they play in, so rather than have them stink up 2 games, have them ruin one. Guess that's a combination of lack of respect and TV money (the real business of the BCS). I, for one, would like to see Utah and Boise State take on teams from the major conferences, but as long as your happy with just being invited...
BCS Scoreboard | 9:57 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Utah 2
BYU 0
BYU 0
Happy Ute | 10:04 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
The Utes look like a sure thing for the BCS and with the Broncos srength of
schedule enhancement with Oregon racking up 65 points against Oregon State
tonight in Corvalis, maybe two mid-majors will get in the mix this year.
Maybe the Broncos will close the gap with Utah, or even jump over the Utes,in the rankings b/c their win over Oregon at Eugene is stronger than the Utes squeeker over the Beavers in Rice Eccles.
Go Utes and Broncos!!!
Maybe the Broncos will close the gap with Utah, or even jump over the Utes,in the rankings b/c their win over Oregon at Eugene is stronger than the Utes squeeker over the Beavers in Rice Eccles.
Go Utes and Broncos!!!
Let them play! Let them Play! | 10:05 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
The truth is, we will never know how the MWC or WAC teams would do against an
SEC or any other conference schedule. Outside of Florida, USC, Oklahoma, and
Texas, I wouldn't be afraid of any other team (Bama has yet to beat anyone
but multi-loss Georgia and average LSU). We saw a few years ago that a Boise
team could beat a top 10 opponent from a power conference. If Utah can hold up
against Bama or Texas, it will go a long way toward gaining some respect.
I'll bet that Oklahoma St. wishes that it had TCU's defense tonight.
TED | 10:07 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
EVEN IF THERE WAS A 16 TEAM PLAYOFF THE FORCES TO BE WOULD PIT THE MWC AND WAC
SCHOOLS AGAINST THE NO.1 AND NO.2 TEAMS IN THE COUNTRY ANYWAY. WHAT I'AM
SAYING IS THEY HAVE THE POWER TO GET THEIR DESIRED RESULT ANY WAY.
To The Gloating Utes | 10:42 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
For you gloating Utes that keep rubbing in the fact that you made another BCS
game, are you seriously content in being in a "BCS Big Money" game
over a playoff? Do you seriously like the current system?
If you are shame on you. In 2004, The UTES could have been the best Team in college football. We will never know, all they got was a big paycheck for paying a team that was the PITTs.
I don't think the UTES are national champ contenders this year, but wouldn't you like a chance to try and prove it? Well you don't have that chance, so just don't blow it when you play your three loss ACC team.
If you are shame on you. In 2004, The UTES could have been the best Team in college football. We will never know, all they got was a big paycheck for paying a team that was the PITTs.
I don't think the UTES are national champ contenders this year, but wouldn't you like a chance to try and prove it? Well you don't have that chance, so just don't blow it when you play your three loss ACC team.
Ron Smith | 11:00 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Happy UTE: what does that have to do with
anything? if they were going to rank Boise State higher because they beat Oregon by more than Utah beat Oregon State How many ranked Teams did Boise beat this year? Oh yeah that is right Oregon and what did they beat them by? Oh yeah 5 points they really crushed them. Compared to Utah's field goal over Oregon State. so either way Oregon State Scores a TD against Utah, Utah Loses. If Oregon scored a TD against BSU they would have lost. Utah beat Michigan in the Big house they beat Oregon State the week after they beat USC They Pulled another one out against #12 TCU and Then They handled #14 BYU but Because Oregon Scored more points against Oregon State You think BSU will jump them? Where is the logic in that? If that were the case Utah would be ranked higher than USC b/c they beat the only team USC lost to. Not going to happen. Utah Will stay right where they are. noone above Utah or BSU lost the only thing that may happen is BSU Jumps to 7 over Texas Tech after a TT Beat--a-4-8---Baylor--by--one--score
anything? if they were going to rank Boise State higher because they beat Oregon by more than Utah beat Oregon State How many ranked Teams did Boise beat this year? Oh yeah that is right Oregon and what did they beat them by? Oh yeah 5 points they really crushed them. Compared to Utah's field goal over Oregon State. so either way Oregon State Scores a TD against Utah, Utah Loses. If Oregon scored a TD against BSU they would have lost. Utah beat Michigan in the Big house they beat Oregon State the week after they beat USC They Pulled another one out against #12 TCU and Then They handled #14 BYU but Because Oregon Scored more points against Oregon State You think BSU will jump them? Where is the logic in that? If that were the case Utah would be ranked higher than USC b/c they beat the only team USC lost to. Not going to happen. Utah Will stay right where they are. noone above Utah or BSU lost the only thing that may happen is BSU Jumps to 7 over Texas Tech after a TT Beat--a-4-8---Baylor--by--one--score
RE: Running Ute | 11:10 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Running Ute wrote: "The Utes are fine without it and content with their
millions and millions and millions of BCS loot, world class academic reputation,
top cancer research institute and the very best football and basketball programs
in the MWC."
You had me right up until your claim that Utah has the very best football and basketball programs in the MWC. You lost all credibility with that bogus statement. Utah doesn't even have the best programs in the State of Utah let alone the MWC.
Go count your, er... others money.
You had me right up until your claim that Utah has the very best football and basketball programs in the MWC. You lost all credibility with that bogus statement. Utah doesn't even have the best programs in the State of Utah let alone the MWC.
Go count your, er... others money.
RE: Do Unto Others | 11:43 p.m. Nov. 29, 2008
Oh my, how the hypocrisy and myopia can stink up the comment board when the
runnin puke fans are allowed to run their mouth, along with the puke...not only
does it stink, but it sounds disgusting too.
I can't help your hypocrisy but I can help with your myopia.
TCU is rated higher than BYU (2nd over 3rd) but the Bowl decisions are made by the committees and come in ORDER of CHOICE, not how the teams finished. (Why can't you moronic puke fans ever figure that out??) Las Vegas would choose BYU because of the bigger picture, despite their 3rd place finish in the league. They would defer to San Diego because BSU does not have the contractual right to come to Las Vegas. BSU can however go to San Diego and would match up well against a 10-2 TCU team (and get beat up along the way, which helps, moron, not hurts, the MWC.) BYU can beat any PAC-10 team other than USC, so that win will also help the MWC. Utah will get another throw away opponent. The Poinsettia Bowl, however, becomes the biggest non BCS bowl and most likely outshines the Fiesta. Got it now?
I can't help your hypocrisy but I can help with your myopia.
TCU is rated higher than BYU (2nd over 3rd) but the Bowl decisions are made by the committees and come in ORDER of CHOICE, not how the teams finished. (Why can't you moronic puke fans ever figure that out??) Las Vegas would choose BYU because of the bigger picture, despite their 3rd place finish in the league. They would defer to San Diego because BSU does not have the contractual right to come to Las Vegas. BSU can however go to San Diego and would match up well against a 10-2 TCU team (and get beat up along the way, which helps, moron, not hurts, the MWC.) BYU can beat any PAC-10 team other than USC, so that win will also help the MWC. Utah will get another throw away opponent. The Poinsettia Bowl, however, becomes the biggest non BCS bowl and most likely outshines the Fiesta. Got it now?
RE: RE: Do unto others | 12:10 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Thanks for the clarification I agree a TCU win would be good over BSU a BYU win
would be good as well. and a Utah win would also be nice. However, even if all
those things happen I don't see how or when it will change the BCS and In
some ways I think the BCS is a good thing it makes every game so important. In
B-ball you just have to make it to the dance. I honestly think if Tomorrow the
BCS announced that the MWC would take the place of the Big East for automatic
BCS bids there would be no complaints about the BCS system.
Re: BCS SCOREBOARD | 12:16 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
National Championship
BYU-1
Utah-0
You will NEVER own what we already have!
BYU-1
Utah-0
You will NEVER own what we already have!
re: re: BCS SCOREBOARD | 2:21 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
I remember watching BYU's "National Championship" yea the black
and wite TV I had was great.. please return to the year 2008. I know it is
hard!!
48-24 | 2:53 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Scoreboard losers!
Re: Re: BCS SCOREBOARD | 5:26 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
If the BCS had been around in 1984 it would be:
National Championship
BYU-0
Utah-0
A non-BCS school will NEVER win a championship as long as the BCS run things. Many people believe that the BCS came about because of BYUs championship - that someone from outside the traditional football powers could win the whole thing was unacceptable. There is only one answer.
PLAYOFF! NOW!
National Championship
BYU-0
Utah-0
A non-BCS school will NEVER win a championship as long as the BCS run things. Many people believe that the BCS came about because of BYUs championship - that someone from outside the traditional football powers could win the whole thing was unacceptable. There is only one answer.
PLAYOFF! NOW!
Momotaro | 6:51 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
And it was BYU's unbeaten record in the mid-90's that forced the BCS
to start admitting non-BCS teams.
Crimson Club | 8:39 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
To ReL: Running Ute,
The Utes have the best football program and basketball program in the MWC.
Look at the following facts:
BYU's basketball team won their last NCAA Tournament game in 1992, since then the Utes have won sixteen (16) Tournament games.
BYU's football team has never been to the BCS. The Utes are going for the second time in five years.
The truth hurts. Did I also mention that we will be counting our millions and millions and millions of dollars this year from our BCS friends?
The Utes have the best football program and basketball program in the MWC.
Look at the following facts:
BYU's basketball team won their last NCAA Tournament game in 1992, since then the Utes have won sixteen (16) Tournament games.
BYU's football team has never been to the BCS. The Utes are going for the second time in five years.
The truth hurts. Did I also mention that we will be counting our millions and millions and millions of dollars this year from our BCS friends?
BCS | 9:43 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
BCS is still better than the old way which was dependent on human voters to vote
for #1 --case in point, undefeated BYU became NC after a bowl win over 6-5
Michigan in 1984.
If I am not mistaken...using the old system today, if Alabama loses in the bowl game, Utah and BSU both win their bowl game...the human voters will have to decide which one deserves NC. It is a mess either way.
(I left out Ball State since Ball State really does not have a case).
(on the other hand, I like the "old system" in place today, so that Utah will get its NC to shut all cougar fans up who kept bringing 1984 up.)
If I am not mistaken...using the old system today, if Alabama loses in the bowl game, Utah and BSU both win their bowl game...the human voters will have to decide which one deserves NC. It is a mess either way.
(I left out Ball State since Ball State really does not have a case).
(on the other hand, I like the "old system" in place today, so that Utah will get its NC to shut all cougar fans up who kept bringing 1984 up.)
re: TED | 9:47 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
"EVEN IF THERE WAS A 16 TEAM PLAYOFF THE FORCES TO BE WOULD PIT THE MWC AND
WAC SCHOOLS AGAINST THE NO.1 AND NO.2 TEAMS IN THE COUNTRY ANYWAY. WHAT
I'AM SAYING IS THEY HAVE THE POWER TO GET THEIR DESIRED RESULT ANY
WAY"
This could be true. But having that matchup, the opportunity to play that big-name school, is a SELLING POINT to recruits! A chance at the title that we currently do not have in the MWC or WAC. It would balance out the playing field somewhat. Not completely since the big name and money schools will always be the most attractive to the best recruits. Have you seen the bedlam that ensues when a #15 seed defeats a #2 seed in the NCAA's? Imagine that with 3 times the fans involved. 3 times the money spent on tickets, merchandise, etc. It's a dream waiting to happen. The big schools / conferences are afraid since they won't get that big $$$ payout all to themselves. That's why it hasn't happened yet. Regional sites (aka current bowls) could be the site of first round games, then the big names can handle the later rounds.
This could be true. But having that matchup, the opportunity to play that big-name school, is a SELLING POINT to recruits! A chance at the title that we currently do not have in the MWC or WAC. It would balance out the playing field somewhat. Not completely since the big name and money schools will always be the most attractive to the best recruits. Have you seen the bedlam that ensues when a #15 seed defeats a #2 seed in the NCAA's? Imagine that with 3 times the fans involved. 3 times the money spent on tickets, merchandise, etc. It's a dream waiting to happen. The big schools / conferences are afraid since they won't get that big $$$ payout all to themselves. That's why it hasn't happened yet. Regional sites (aka current bowls) could be the site of first round games, then the big names can handle the later rounds.
Sagarin's rating and SOS | 9:51 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Mighty Utah: # 8 (SOS 72)
Secondary-to-Utah TCU: # 9 (SOS 76)
Whinning BS BSU: # 11 (SOS 115 --this is not a type)
I-think-Iam-good-but-full-of-S Ball State: #18 (SOS 118 --ouch!!!)
Trying-to-catch-up-to-big-brother-Utah BYU: # 25 (SOS 83)
Any questions? There should be none.
SoCalUtahFan
Secondary-to-Utah TCU: # 9 (SOS 76)
Whinning BS BSU: # 11 (SOS 115 --this is not a type)
I-think-Iam-good-but-full-of-S Ball State: #18 (SOS 118 --ouch!!!)
Trying-to-catch-up-to-big-brother-Utah BYU: # 25 (SOS 83)
Any questions? There should be none.
SoCalUtahFan
Ute 3rd grader mentality | 10:06 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
to:"Crimson Club | 8:39 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
To ReL: Running Ute,
The Utes have the best football program and basketball program in the MWC."
Tell me more about the CBI tournament. What made Utah so "Elite" to get the invite last year? Why not play in the NCAA or NIT? You are the best, right?
Classic Utah fan, third in conference football three years straight, win once and the best in MWC. Basketball tanks... and best in MWC.
Ute Logic.
Hey congrats on your year. Talk all you want, 2004 was impressive. 2008,ummmm, not so much.
Just don't embarass the conference too much.
To ReL: Running Ute,
The Utes have the best football program and basketball program in the MWC."
Tell me more about the CBI tournament. What made Utah so "Elite" to get the invite last year? Why not play in the NCAA or NIT? You are the best, right?
Classic Utah fan, third in conference football three years straight, win once and the best in MWC. Basketball tanks... and best in MWC.
Ute Logic.
Hey congrats on your year. Talk all you want, 2004 was impressive. 2008,ummmm, not so much.
Just don't embarass the conference too much.
Crimson Club | 11:15 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
To Ute 3rd Grader Mentality,
The Runnin' Utes basketball program has the 9th most wins amonge college basketball programs. The Utes have made 28 NCAA Tournament appearances, which ranks 7th all-time, while the Utes 28 conference championships is the 5th best in NCAA history. Ouch BYU fans!
Just some recent Conference Championships won by the Running Utes:
1991, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2005
Tell me again how good BYU's basketball program is. I forgot.
The Runnin' Utes basketball program has the 9th most wins amonge college basketball programs. The Utes have made 28 NCAA Tournament appearances, which ranks 7th all-time, while the Utes 28 conference championships is the 5th best in NCAA history. Ouch BYU fans!
Just some recent Conference Championships won by the Running Utes:
1991, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2005
Tell me again how good BYU's basketball program is. I forgot.
re:Cosmo | 8:07 p.m. | 11:24 a.m. Nov. 30, 2008
Dude, put down your "Book of Famous Cliche's" and make a
point.
Fact is the BCS is a broken system. An undefeated team should have a shot at the NC, and not sell-out for bone thrown their way.
Grabbing your hush $$$ and running away is not the way a man's game should be played.
Other coaches all over the country are arguing for their spot in the NC game, and the Utes are hiding in the corner counting the money and singing "we are so happy that you let us in"...
The Utes have not "BUSTED" anything. Nothing has been broken. The Utes are honorary waterboys to the big conferences.
Quoting the story, so many have not read "Welcome to a place where the majority of university presidents, who run the NCAA, have allowed the BCS (six major conferences) to hijack the sport, often citing the integrity of the bowl system and the impact of those communities and their time-honored tradition as a major reason to avoid a playoff."
Fact is the BCS is a broken system. An undefeated team should have a shot at the NC, and not sell-out for bone thrown their way.
Grabbing your hush $$$ and running away is not the way a man's game should be played.
Other coaches all over the country are arguing for their spot in the NC game, and the Utes are hiding in the corner counting the money and singing "we are so happy that you let us in"...
The Utes have not "BUSTED" anything. Nothing has been broken. The Utes are honorary waterboys to the big conferences.
Quoting the story, so many have not read "Welcome to a place where the majority of university presidents, who run the NCAA, have allowed the BCS (six major conferences) to hijack the sport, often citing the integrity of the bowl system and the impact of those communities and their time-honored tradition as a major reason to avoid a playoff."
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Sure, how many national championships have you been allowed to play for?
Utah is undefeated, beaten 3 ranked teams, and is going to be schleped off and allowed to play a weak team in a weak bowl.
Where's your shot? Where's your justice?
You really love this system?
Maybe you do. Lose one and out. Take the money.
If you really had some faith in your team you would want a shot to win it on the field, wouldn't you?