Utah officials may use a hike to fund transportation work
We have a rainy day fund that has alot of money in it. I am sick of politicians
not living within there means. We are all struggling and the petroleum companies
started this with massive increases in gasoline prices from greed. This
translated into minimal disposable income and then belt tightening that
constricted the whole economy. Now we are getting a reality check and the
goverment is wanting to raise taxes in a recession. What clueless wonder of a
pilitician thought this was a good idea? Use the rainy day fund or give us names
to vote them out of office - obviously they can not handle important
The stupidity never ceases to amaze me....Once again we will be
forced to choose between FOOD or FUEL.............
My, My, the same idea is being floated around here in Minnesota. What a
coincidence. IS THERE NO WAY TO CUT SPENDING, AND PREVENT THE CONTINUAL TAX
INCREASES. Shame on you elected officials!
Boy, where isn't there a road construction project? For the last few months I've
had to take detour after detour to just get to my house! It's stupid! And most
of it so unnecessary! I'm sure they don't need to increase the gas tax, they
just don't like to see happy people finally getting a break so they want to take
what little we can pay for away! GREED! ALWAYS GREED!
Not only do we in Utah have to deal with a recession, devaluation of the dollar,
paying for and supporting the hundreds of thousand illegal aliens, we also have
to contend with a government that doesn't know how to budget. Perhaps the
government should go to the illegal aliens and their employers (many are part of
our elected representatives in government) and ask them for some tax support? If
the illegals and their employers paid income taxes, medicare taxes, medicaid
taxes, maybe our economy would be able to work within its budget. Now is not a
time to raise taxes regardless of the roads and government needs. Every citizen
of the U.S. is in the same boat and just trying to survive the recession. The
last thing we need to worry about is government greed and roads. No matter how
tax is determined, it is never enough and with this method would create an
unstable tax base. Government, like everyone else, should and must learn to live
within their means and what the economy can bear. What they should be discussing
is returning to spending and budgeting with what they get without borrowing,
I'd be okay with another special session if the Legislature would not pay
themselves for the extra days in session. Each legislator makes roughly $150 a
day while in session (not counting per diem and travel expenses). This
translates to about $5000 + benefits for 45 days while in regular session. And
they always vote themselves an increase. So I'll be behind a special session
when they agree to forgo pay for those days. We had a chance to vote 'em out and
Utah sheep drank the kool aid and voted darn near all of them back in..."we get
the government we deserve".
We're making less money, and yet supposedly want more taxes? I don't think so.
Yes, we understand that our transportation systems are severely burdened, but
no, we don't want to pay for more systems and services that we cannot afford.
People wonder why I don't vote anymore. I'm sick and tired of voting for city
and goverment politicians that promise this and promise that. The ONLY thing
they can do is LIE just to get the votes. Leave it to utah to find a way to
steal some more from us. I was born and raised in utah and I'm so glad to be
leaving it!!!!! HEAVEN FORBID IF THESE PEOPLE EVER TAKE A CUT IN THEIR PAY HOW
WILL THEY EVER LIVE????
Don't stand by and watch this happen folks, make sure your voice is heard loud
and clear. These lawmakers need to listen to the voters and when they don't
then they need to see the voters on capital hill.Organize with
protests that this state has never seen before. Its time that we the public,
the common Joe get a break from government as well as the oil industry. Huntsman
must be out of his mind if he thinks that masking a hike on gas tax will fly at
this time.We voted you in and we can vote you OUT!
Quit complaining! We have a mandate here in Utah. The important thing is we grow
as a state by attracting more business. We have one of the lowest property tax
rates in the country. We need you to pay more when you drive. The extra few
dollars you pay at the pump will offset the tax incentives we give new business.
Besides, a few dollars more a month is no big deal to those of us that are
responsible with our finances. Our leaders here do a great job protecting our
values. To say you want to vote out our leaders is unamerican.
Didn't they raise the sales tax a little while ago for this same purpose? Now
they want to raise taxes again. Every single one of those clowns up on the hill
that think we need to do this need to step down and leave.
Instead of raising gas taxes, the Legislature should implement congestion
pricing instead. This is a more cost-effective approach to addressing traffic
Near here in Philly the city is closing pools and libraries. Heaven forbid that
they dump some do-nothing bureaucrat.To rase taxes in hard times is
ABUSE of the taxpayer - abuse of children, abuse of families, abuse of
The state gets it's 24.5 cents a gallon regardless if the price is 50 cents a
gallon or 5 bucks a gallon. If they go to a percentage, that's just another way
to raise the prices even higher when gas prices jump again just before Memorial
Day. There's always somebody trying to be creative to gouge us more with taxes.
It's amazing how politicians always seem to tout growth as a solution to our
finaces. Well the state has had tremendous growth, why the tax increases? If
business & job growth were the panacea that government wants us to believe,
there should be a long term trend towards lower tax rates. The dirty little
secret is that growth almost never pays for itself in the long term.
I could just SCREAM, the bone heads we have making this type of statement, this
time of year, Huntsman and capital hill must be smoking something.I
think we need to get the CHURCH involved in this one, they can control what
happens in California, maybe they can help here in UTAH.
Well here's some names for people to vote out of office. Just the suggestion of
raising taxes should be good enough. You're fired-because you are dumb. Quite
simple. If you want to run for office you remember these names, make a note of
these politicians, find out if the guy you are going to run against votes for an
increase, and it should be a peace of cake to beat him when the economy gets
even worse because of bozos like these. BTW-you only have to work a little
over a month in the house or senate to get full insurance for a whole year!
There should be more competition for these politicians jobs now that the economy
is slowing down. That's one good thing about a down economy.
Interesting that these elected officials didn't announce their tax hike plans
prior to the elections in November . . .gee I wonder why?
Politicians couldn't quite bring themselves to temporarily lower gas taxes when
they were so high this summer, but now they are low, oh let's add taxes.My ah ha moment with government and taxes came in 1974, during the oil
embargo, soaring prices, and apparent limits in gas availability. President Ford
proposed a 10 cent gas tax increase, to encourage conservation and reduce gas
usage. On the same day, Gov. Rampton of Utah proposed a 5 cent state gas tax
increase, to recover money being lost because gas usage and therefor tax
revenues were down. They were getting us coming and going--the same
looks true here.
NO! He is not! How did he get re-elected? Oh that's right, his Daddy's name is
on the basketball court at the U, he's Mormon, and he claims to be a Republican.
This is ridiculous. When pressed for a budget cut, I bet you he cuts education
again. He's ruining our state!
Gas prices will skyrocket again. Just wait and see. OPEC is determined to cut
production. Then this new tax will really, really hurt if it is a percentage
rate. If they need more gas taxes, increase the cents per gallon. For the person who thinks there are tons of money in the Rainy Day Fund: $400
million dollars is a small pittance of money that would hardly cover many road
projects let alone all of the other state obligations. Over the last several
years, the state has given billions of dollars in tax cuts to primarily
business, corporations, and the wealthy. Along with the 5% flat tax rate (which
has caused most of the budget shortfall), the deep tax cuts went too far and
more of the money should have been placed in rainy day funds instead. There is
no reason why we shouldn't have 2 billion in the rainy day fund versus 400
If the state were to stop putting the gas tax monies into the general fund, we
would have more than enough to pay for road maintenance and increased road
building.Just like the Federal Government, our wonderful state
leaders have learned that you can spend money that isn't there. Then they go to
the taxpayers and demand more. We have to live within our means.
Governments should do the same.
In times of financial recession, I thought the cure was to REDUCE taxes and
ENCOURAGE spending. Looks like Waddoups is fouling things up again, and
billionaire Huntsman is going along for the ride.
will never be a good public servant, I do not understand why people elect a
governor that has always had everything just handed to him and has not had to
work for anything in his life. He doesn't know what it feels like to be an
ordinary person trying to make it in this world. Why on earth would you raise
taxes in a recession, where did he go to school? He is a little baby that needs
a lesson in economics 101. He should step down as Governor and let someone else
who understands the economy and the people who live in itHis
ignorance never ceases to amaze me
A simple solution in Utah is for the legislature to admit they were wrong and
short sighted in providing the tax cuts over the last two years. Repel those and
the state should be good to go. Funny how the legislature calls for the cuts so
in this case the Department of Transportation makes the calls, cuts some major
projects and now the legislature wants the projects back as will the people when
they realize they are looking at an additional 1 hour commute within the next 3
to 5 years from Utah county to SL county. So people, decide, do you want
services or do you want lower taxes? One solution would be toll lanes on the
freeways like they do back east (or the new freeway is a toll road). If you want
to use it to save time, you pay for it. Runs counter to our Western we can do
what we want attitude, but in someway the time to pay the piper is coming. How
do you want to pay since not paying isn't the answer? You can't have something
The Gov comes up with a Flat Tax that is going to hurt the little man and single
tax payer and now he wants to tax us even more? We know he understands the
little people of his state. Keep them in poverty and you have control. Single
is only young people but elderly folk also on limited incomes - no thanks to the
Gov on his idea of serving the people of Utah. He can smile pretty though for
the photo opps
No. No. No. No! They did this the last time gas prices steeply dropped. Are they
nuts?! These prices aren't going to stay down, they're gong to rise higher than
they ever have been. NO MORE TAXES. Figure out how to make it work like the rest
of us have to.
No,No,No. If the politicians want increase spending to one sector they can take
the money from somewhere else in the budget. That's the way we Americans budget
in our households.
We deserve this. We over-whelmingly voted for it (I did not personally). You
knew he was a billionare socialist by his in actions in his first term
(unlimited increses in spending to use up ALL of the states massive budget
surplus).Now we get to live with it. Working, freedom loving people
lamment. Lazy, deadbeat beggars rejoice! Bigger government, higher
taxes, less phantom global warming and economic prosperity. That's King John's
Just wait and lets see what the federal Govt. does this next year with
infrastructure investment. We don't need too panic right now, after all we do
have a rainy day fund, and it is RAINING right now. Once tax increases are put
on they never leave and this state tax's heavier than almost all of the other
states. We don't need any more Bush wacking. Vote for this legislators and you
will be voting yourself out of office.
"A lot of us will say we don't want it," Waddoups said. "But when we see the
ramifications, it might be different."The poor economy not only has
an effect on the ordinary man and woman, but on state and city budgets. If we
don't want the taxes, then we have to realize the consequences -- transportation
services cut that perhaps we have previously found beneficial. We may not like
the detours we have to take during construction projects, but they could be
saving us from traffic congestion problems that would take us twice as long (or
longer) if nothing had been done.
Why don't we learn to say no? Cut the spending and live with in our
means. No more Taxes!
Taking names and working against anyone's re-election who raises taxes in this
No more taxes! Live within your means. Try it, it works. We need to
lower the tax burden and cut government services!
Why is it that utah republicans want their base to believe how well they run the
State?Why do they want us to believe it's only dems how tax and spend?The fact is, Utah is one of the top 5 most taxed States in the US, and with a
legislature and State government dominated by republicans it's not hard to
figure out who really is the party of tax and spend.
For all the people that voted for Huntsman please remember next time you are in
the voting booth that Huntsman was behind the school vouchers and now raising
the gas tax. What a terrible idea to raise taxes on gas during a recession. IF
anything the government should be looking to cut taxes and programs in Utah
whenever possible, instead of raising taxes and cutting education!
Yes, we need gas taxes for building light rail, improving roads which have
deteriorated, and for getting people OUT of their cars, for heaven's sake! Oil
prices will go up again--there just isn't enough oil and gas for the 21st
century. Time to think ahead 50 years. Public transportation needs real
improvement in the West. We need alternative energy cars. High prices on gas
will encourage creative thinking about how to get to work each day.
When asked by my children about taxes I have always told them that the gas taxes
(consumption) are the fairest there were since we are taxed directly on the
amount we purchase. I told them property taxes are the least fair, since many
retired folks are taxed on an artificial (until sold) amount, sometimes taxing
them out of their lifelong homes. Behind that income taxes are repressive too.
Sales taxes are a bit better. Now if I were to close my eyes and guess what
political party the governor Huntsman is I would probably guess wrong. I think
the Salt Lake County Mayor should be our next governor. Let's not change the
most fair tax there is!
Utah is the last in the nation (by far) to lower the gas prices to their current
levels and know our idiot polititions want to raise the tax? If this happens I
hope that the people of utah will vote against every man or woman who votes for
this tax to rise. Time to get these greedy, money grubbing jerks out of office
and back to a real job on the streets where they can appreciate what the working
man goes through in this state. As far as I'm concerned all the politions in
this state are lazy bums and need a wake up call. Stop stealing from the
taxpayers of this state, get off your dead butts and make a real difference.
No one likes taxes, and there seem to be a lot of knee-jerk comments above
offering no solution to the problem. The fact is, there are more cars which are
more fuel efficient and becoming more so, along with increased traffic
congestion. (fewer gallons per mile) There are only two ways to pay for new
roads and maintenance on what we have, increase gasoline tax, or toll roads.
Take your pick. I hate toll roads. Then again with the arrival of
plug-in electric cars in the next few years toll roads may be the only
What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor?
Utah learned that by keeping the high gas prices at $4.00 per gallon the people
would pay and they don't have to change their Republican theory of TAX & HOARD
for our special interests. Who said Democrates were socialists? Was it was Orin
Hatch or Cris Butters. Wake up Utah.
"...ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not
the burdens with one of your fingers."
Sick and tired for those ignorant politician to raise taxes to continue
themselves to have job security.Those guys should be taken to court and be
in prison as well.
Here's how Johnny Boy Huntsy and people like Spit Waddoups see things: The
economy is bad because people have less money to spend thus we can't afford the
road projects right now. So, let's tax gas and put another cost of living
increase on the public so they continue to lose faith in the economy/government
and continue to not spend money. Although we might get the road projects
underway the economy will then be worse because the public will have less money
to pump back into our businesses. GOOD JOB capital hill superheroes!
Why don't our politicians donate their campaign contribution war chests to
highway projects? They are just the result of bribery from the special interest
groups so we all benefit. That way EnergySolutions and the payday loan outlets
can get involved in helping Utah.
A few years ago the water company told everyone to "conserve water" or go
without. So the people did, then the water company wasn't making as much money
as they needed so they raised the price of water. They all live by
double standards. I say vote them all out as well, starting with the judges we
I guess that not having our state employees work on Fridays is working too good
at conserving energy and gas. Maybe we should go to 6 hours a day 6 days a week
to make them drive to work 6 times, that will get the gas consumption going
Between this and the flat tax, Utahans will still say it's tax and spend
I am completely in favor of raising gas taxes. Any tax placed on a
good falls on both the seller of the good and the buyer. The sellers can either
lower their prices so that buyers can afford to buy gasoline (therefore, they
are essentially paying the tax) or they sell less gasoline and lose money. Who
wouldn't want big oil companies or foreign suppliers to help to pay this tax?The real costs associated with using gasoline (e.g. pollution) are not
reflected in its price. Users of gasoline (myself included) need to pay
society for those costs.Raising prices of gasoline will encourage
the adoption of other means of producing energy. When the true costs of using
gasoline are reflected in the price, consumers will reduce consumption or switch
to alternative means of fuel. There will be no need for the government to pay
for subsidies for clean energy. The market will take care of the problem. In
the long-run, the U.S. will more self-sufficient if we can use alternative
sources of fuel.Economists on both sides of the political spectrum
are in favor of higher gas taxes. Of all taxes, this is one of the best.
The people who live here are chained to Utah and they are loaded with money to
give for taxes. Feel free to tax all you want and don't forget your bonuses. The
people and the businesses can't leave and go overseas so feel free to take,
take, take all you want. My company has been sending large portions
of our aircraft company overseas. We are training them. Soon we will be out of
work and we will get the state of Utah back. We will claim unemployment and
welfare until the state is bankrupt. Then we will take our skills to another
state.Why do we always elect these rich kids into office? Why dont
we elect a common man into office? Oh, thats because the common man wont have
any media coverage unless he throws millions into advertising.
There is another viable solution that would work in government, just like it
works in every family; become more efficient. With less money, and the same
projects wanting attention, I say the Department of Transportation has a great
opportunity to stringently review their normal road building and maintainence
practices. How many jobs, at $30 an hour for holding a sign, could
be cut to minimum wage for unskilled labor? How many trucks, heavy equipment,
and operators sit idle part of the day when thay are paid to be working. It is
always possible to do the same job for less with a good manager who is not stuck
with the philisophy of "this is how we always do it."Now is a good
time for government offices and departments to take the same steps everyone else
is taking towards efficiency, flexibility, economy, and moderation. I believe
that 25% or more could be trimmed from every project by careful planning,
careful expenditure, and careful evaluation. Instead of throwing
out the words, "tax increases" and "project cuts" we would do well to remember
"thrift," "industry," and "proper accounting for monies spent." Million$ are lost between the taxpayer and each finished project.
The government needs to learn to do with what they have. We are all taxed way
too much and I have to cut my budget so they can too. No new taxes! I am so
very tired of taxes going up and they very rarely come down. Please no new
taxes. Udot cant always have what they want. Just like I cant always have what
I want. People who are in favor are not really thinking the issue through. So
every time a new tax is proposed we are supposed to be happy and go along with
it? Where does it end?
For those of you that will hurt, maybe you should stop buying games, DVDs and
such and then you'll have enough for food and the couple of bucks extra you'll
pay for this tax.Oh, and if you weren't crunched to the limit with
all your crap purchases on your credit card from the last several years, you'd
likely not complain about a few dollars to fund our light rail and mass transit
projects. In the end, it's for the best and will save all of us more
eventually.May be you're not into the long term view, eh? I guess
I'll see you pull up to the Food Bank in your SUV wondering why life is so
Remember who controls the legislature. Republicans love to tax and spend!
Gas taxes,like food taxes, affect poor people disproportioally. Not only that
the families in rural UT have to drive more miles than those on the Wasatch
Front. And they have no access to public transportation. So just when they are
having a hard time because fuel prices rise tehy will also be hit with a higher
tax. WHO SAYs THIS IS THE BEST TAX?
First, we wanted a total repeal of the food tax and all we got was half of what
we wanted because the state senate KNEW better than the people. Utah is one of
only a handful of states that still tax food. Now, we have the Governor and the
Senate President elect in favor of raising taxes on gas that will affect
everyone. This will affect the poor more than the rich. We really need to
raise wages significantly something that has not been done for well over 15
years. Inflation has far outstripped our buying and our ability to manage
various increases in services. There is a divide that is occurring within our
society and it is growing every day. The poor are getting poorer and the rich
are getting richer. Enough is enough when it comes to taxes. Stop raising
taxes or you will see an exodus of people to other states where the cost of
living will be cheaper. I, for one, will be happy when my family and I no
longer have to deal with the idiotiacy that masquerades as government here in
Utah and can deal with more sane government.
I think they should think about those of us who struggle to buy food, and for
once are so excited that we can buy fresh vegetables for once because gas
finally dropped. They should consider that while they sit in their amazingly
comfortable homes eating all sorts of food they want. Some of us are struggling.
Please give us the opportunity to build up some sort of savings in light of the
new gas prices before you start jacking up prices again. I'm sick of the games.
Learn to spend better and leave us alone.
Bad idea. If gas prices go up, we will pay even more tax. As it is, we have a
larger percentage of the money going to taxes. If anything, we should now buy
more gas and they get more tax.LEAVE IT alone.
Hunstman, you are on your way out of office, if you keep this up. We won't
forgive your insensitivity to the people during hard times. Just because it
doesn't affect you, doesn't mean raising taxes is OK. IT isn't. Utah already
taxes us to death.
Why do we keep electing politicians who want to hurt the average citizen? Low
and middle income families are struggling to meet financial obligations. The
reduction in gas prices, although temporary, has helped these financially
strapped families. Why take away the one break they are getting?
I agree with most of the posts. I believe that government is not responsible at
all with our tax money. I believe that if government really wanted to persue
these road projects, they could do it without having to raise taxes. Ok, here's my idea. If the government is going to raise taxes on gas, and we
know that gas prices are not going to stay low (thanks to OPEC cutting supply),
then why don't we CUT BACK ON OUR FUEL CONSUMPTION!!! What better
than to park the gas guzzling monster truck/suv/hummer and hitch a ride on
public transportation and stick it to the man!! I realize that many of you will
say that you just can't. But if we want to shoot this idea down, simply cut
back on your fuel consumption.
I agree 100%. I am a college student and a couple of summers ago I worked a job
with the health department. After working several years in the private sector I
was appauled by the wastefulness of funds and people. Instead of hiring the
minimum amount of workers to do the job, they hired way too many people, had
each of them driving their own vehicles, and there was a lot of wasted time
"talking around the water cooler"
You're about to see a budget-slashing legislative session like no other.Programs you actually care about are going to get whacked hard.As long as Utahns continue to breed like rabbits, there's going to be a need
for significant infrastructure growth to support them. That means new roads need
to be built and existing roads need more maintenance. That takes money."Bravo" to us all for using less gasoline lately. It's a trend that should
continue. The downside is that because of this funds to maintain roads are
reduced.We're paying HALF for gas what we were just a couple of
months ago. That's lovely, but it also means that we can add a small amount to
the gas tax to fund road maintenance and construction, while at the same time
leaving us with relatively cheap gas.I'm all in favor of increasing
the gas tax. It's the only rational thing to do.
"How many jobs, at $30 an hour for holding a sign, could be cut to minimum wage
for unskilled labor?"Then, Utah has one more wage slave who can't
buy a home, new cars or pay to ski. That's great for the economy
This is what happens, people, when you vote in a "RINO" who has never worked a
regular job in his life. John Huntsman is a tax and spend liberal!
UTA raised rates when gas prices were through the roof. The said that it was
only to help deal with the high cost of fuel and that if prices went lower, the
rates would too. Does anyone know if they cut their rates? I doubt it. If
they raise taxes now, they will never cut them. Money is like crack to a
That's what you get! | 11:38 p.m Is Bush a liberal too? John Huntsman raised
property taxes in a declining market? If there won't liberals you might have to
see who you really are.
and you did not VOTE these people outThis is the part of Judicial Idiots
in charge.Huntsman, What seems to be the rush?It seems to be a race
to get all this work doneI too am sick of UtahA Stare full of liars
and cheatsThe Cities have to much moneyMuch of these improvements
should be done by the PRIVATE endNot the peoples taxesWe do not
Elect a Mayor and City Council to LegislateThe PROBLEM is they become a
threat to the PEOPLE that ELECTED them to care for the City needsNot make
The poster who drew our attention to the diversion of gas taxes into the general
fund makes a great point.If gas tax was all used for repair of the
roads and construction of same it would be a user tax and a sound one if wisely
applied for its original purpose. Since it is not there is no
excuse for increasing it as being insufficient for the purpose. It's just
another back door attempt to increase taxes on the backs of the people. The
people's money is then transferred to politicians, bureaucrats, and other
undeserving people. Tax and spend is essentially the secret motto of both
republicans and democrats.
Why were they not talking taxes before November. Gee I wonder why? could it be
that the Gov and Sen. Waddoups just got elected for 4 year terms. Just thinking.
The gas tax was increased to 24.5 cents/gal in 1997. Due to inflation, the
purchasing power of that money has gone down. Why aren't we all excited that we
are getting a tax cut every year?To keep pace with inflation the tax
needs to be a percentage. That way when prices climb the state can still
purchase the same amount of road for the money.
Ok, let's do the tax change but use it to improve the public transportation!! We
need to get cars off the road. I-15 is full of cars with just one person per
car. That is crazy.
Here is a thought...Instead of raising the tax on gas, why doesn't
the Utah government LIVE WITHIN ITS MEANS!?Just like they are
telling us to do.Cut out the frills, re-negotitate the contrats with
the unions etc. etc...If they must impose a tax on somebody, how
about we impose a "use" tax on all of the Hollywood moron's flying in for the
Sundance Film Festival in their private jets...