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magnus | 1:20 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Ok, I am about to do something i usually don't like to do. but the idea hit
me as I was pindering the rise of Millsap and I couldn't help but bounce it
off some folks to see if I was crazy or not.
The Clippers suck this year, they are in rebuilding mode. Right now they have picked up Camby and Randolph to work with Kaman and it doesn't look like that situation is going to work out. So it got me thinking, if the Clippers wanted to make more changes and already accepted this season as a loss maybe they would be willing to take an expiring contract for one of those guys. I mean they clearly aren't smart in that front office so anything is possible right? So what about Boozer for Camby Straight up? Then we would have a three man frontline rotation of Camby (C) Memo (PF/C) and Millsap (PF).
I have to say that I love this idea, and I think if the chemistry was right the Jazz would be in much better shape against teams like LA and Boston, but I don't think it would ever happen.
The Clippers suck this year, they are in rebuilding mode. Right now they have picked up Camby and Randolph to work with Kaman and it doesn't look like that situation is going to work out. So it got me thinking, if the Clippers wanted to make more changes and already accepted this season as a loss maybe they would be willing to take an expiring contract for one of those guys. I mean they clearly aren't smart in that front office so anything is possible right? So what about Boozer for Camby Straight up? Then we would have a three man frontline rotation of Camby (C) Memo (PF/C) and Millsap (PF).
I have to say that I love this idea, and I think if the chemistry was right the Jazz would be in much better shape against teams like LA and Boston, but I don't think it would ever happen.
Eugene | 2:01 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Jazz have shown moments of greatness without their "greats". All this
can do is improve the whole team once everyone is healthy!
I always cheer on the back-ups who increase the lead while the starters are on the bench. Makes for a winning combination.
I always cheer on the back-ups who increase the lead while the starters are on the bench. Makes for a winning combination.
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@magnus | 2:08 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Millsap is a tremendous player but has a size problem. This problem manifests
itself in the fact that he commits the most fouls per minute in the NBA to the
tune of more than 7 per 48 minutes. Since you foul out at 6, this means that he
will always be limited in playing time and that his defense will take a hit when
he reaches 5 fouls. If he could improve in that area, he really could be
considered as a smaller feistier Boozer. I do love his play and attitude.
GoodGuyGary | 7:17 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
I said it on the other news: trade Boozer and Collins for Kaman, if possible.
Kaman is much better than Camby in my opinion since he is younger and less
injuried.
Brosa | 7:47 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
I think we need to remember that Boozer is undersized himself. When he plays
longer players he struggles, he takes a lot more outside shots. Not to mention
his inability to defend the taller longer players.
Jazzfan82 | 7:48 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
The reason Millsap commits more fouls is because he actually plays defense. If
Boozer played defense like Millsap that slow reaching lazy no heart guy would be
fouled out by halftime. If Millsap was our starting power forward he would
learn to be careful with his fouls. At least Millsap can hold on to the ball
that will save us 5 possessions a game. I agree if Millsap was the starter he
would average 2 less points and 5 more rebounds a game plus give us some
"D". Way better fit. The last time we went with a power forward from
Louisiana Tech it worked out pretty good for us.
re:Magnus | 8:10 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
With the way some of these younger players are starting to develop it seems we
have plenty of offense. I like the idea of trading some offense for some DEFENSE
IN THE PAINT. I have always liked Camby, I have always thought he was under
rated. Even though Milsap is under sized he's a work horse man. If he fouls
out then Memo or even Koufos could go the rest of the way. You might be on to
something here.
How about the way we are starting out games with C.J. and Brewer in the line up together?
How about the way we are starting out games with C.J. and Brewer in the line up together?
One game! | 9:11 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Wax euphoric if you choose but the facts are these. With 6 of our players in
double figures and three of them over 20 pts each, Memphis played virtually NO
defense. And by the way we gave up 100 points to a team that averages 95. They
nearly matched our fast break numbers. They scored as many points in the paint
as we did. Which would suggest that our defense wasn't much better.
Remember the Grizz are 4 and 11 and there are reasons for that. Nice to get the
win but call it a tuneup game against an inferior opponent and keep
working......News flash people. We've got a long way to go b-4 we let
Boozer walk!
Miles | 9:21 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
We could get someone better than Camby for Boozer. There are plenty of team
that are trying to clear cap space that would give up something for Boozer. If
we know for sure that he is going to bolt? then we should trade him soon. But I
am not convinced he is going to leave. Milsap is not better than Boozer. Sloan
just needs to play him less minutes and TEACH him to play better defense with
more energy. Same with Memo. Less minutes, more intensity when on the court.
Sloan needs to use his bench more to produce better defensive results.
Playoffs | 9:45 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
We have Booz for the rest of the season (I can't see a trade unless someone
really great falls in our laps) so the proof will be in the pudding. If he
actually shows up in the playoffs, Larry H. will surely pay the man his money.
If not, we have a pretty nice player in Milsap, who I believe could be a starter
in this league for quite a few teams. Not a bad position to be in...
There's no doubt Boozer has the game, the question is, does he have the
heart?
Tommy Hoagaard | 9:55 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Who is this Milsap? Why have I not seen him before? The last time a saw a man
rebound like that was in 1983. His name was Moses. This man they call Milsap
reminds me of him but 4 inches shorter. Hey can probably get em all bucked!
This Ronnie Brewer is an aweful lot like Dominique Wilkins. I told B Russ and Kevin Garnet that two years ago. Now Bolderjacks and Ron Boones are also realizing this. They called him the High-Lite real last night. If I remember right Nique was referred to as "The Human High-Lite Film." Add a little D'Will or Ronnie Price along with CJ Miles (& Milsap picking up all the garbage that is left over and slamming it home) and you have the Deseret Dunk Fest. I don't know if this is against the law or not but it sure looks fun. I have never seen this many Dunkers on the floor at the same time. The only thing that evn comes close is the late 80's with Jordan and Orlando Woolridge on the Bulls. It seems like the mid 80's Down in Phoenix there was a man they called Larry or Jim Nance.
This Ronnie Brewer is an aweful lot like Dominique Wilkins. I told B Russ and Kevin Garnet that two years ago. Now Bolderjacks and Ron Boones are also realizing this. They called him the High-Lite real last night. If I remember right Nique was referred to as "The Human High-Lite Film." Add a little D'Will or Ronnie Price along with CJ Miles (& Milsap picking up all the garbage that is left over and slamming it home) and you have the Deseret Dunk Fest. I don't know if this is against the law or not but it sure looks fun. I have never seen this many Dunkers on the floor at the same time. The only thing that evn comes close is the late 80's with Jordan and Orlando Woolridge on the Bulls. It seems like the mid 80's Down in Phoenix there was a man they called Larry or Jim Nance.
you're all from another planet | 10:02 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
I am one of Paul Millsap's biggest fans, but let me tell you, HE IS NOT
CARLOS BOOZER! Millsap has shown this year that he usually cannot put up Booz
like numbers and Booz like minutes. Yes, he did last night--heck he looked
amazing last night-- but who was guarding him? Usually a rookie or Darko...
Seriously!
Carlos is one of the most skilled bigmen scorers in the game, and when he and Deron are healthy, the shooting of CJ and Memo, and the slashing of Brewer will create a high powered offense that might average 108 pts ler game! Just think of the room teams will have to give Deron and Booz to operate... or CJ gets a three, Memo gets a three, ro Ronnie gets a dunk.
The Jazz and the Lakers will meet in the Western Confrence Finals... if the Jazz can get healthy in the next ten games
Carlos is one of the most skilled bigmen scorers in the game, and when he and Deron are healthy, the shooting of CJ and Memo, and the slashing of Brewer will create a high powered offense that might average 108 pts ler game! Just think of the room teams will have to give Deron and Booz to operate... or CJ gets a three, Memo gets a three, ro Ronnie gets a dunk.
The Jazz and the Lakers will meet in the Western Confrence Finals... if the Jazz can get healthy in the next ten games
Re Playoffs | 10:10 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
I'm asking myself, did anyone question Williams' heart when he was
injured and out. And for those who think Boozer is nothing without DWill, why
are Carlos' numbers this year the same as always when they haven't
played together yet.
I agree | 11:00 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
I'm also a huge milsap fan, and i think the opinions here are accurate. I
would be surprised if milsap could put up 20 a night at the pf, because he is
undersized although his heart makes him 7ft tall. The offense runs through booz
on the low post, since millsap does nothing but surprise people, it
wouldn't be unheard of to think that he could do boozers job, however
millsap might not be as effective as a point of focus. boozer is a point of
focus and he still handles the pressure of that situation. I've kind of
given up that booz will be a great d player. It's thanksgiving, at this
point, i'd be grateful if booz would box out after every shot, talk about
fundementals? But trade booz? For real, and camby? It's an interesting
idea, for about 10 seconds, somebody needs to get back on their medication.
I'd like to see booz's jersey hanging from the rafters someday.
Case | 11:13 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
All of you Boozer head cases need to stop the trade talk. Boozer is a top 5 PF.
He plays defense when he needs to, unless he has a lot of fouls. He is to short
against the big front lines and SAP is shorter.
Camby is over the hill and not the defensive player he was a few years ago. Kaman is okay but he is not going to put up Boozer like numbers.
We need to keep what we have and add a good big, taller than Booz, who will defend, rebound and score. If we have to, then waive Collins or trade Almond for the big. That gives us the depth and the ability to match up with the best teams.
Ripping the heart out of the continuity by trading Boozer is stupid. We have played nobody so far and we lost a bunch of games to bad teams.
Let Miller pony up for a championship (rent a good big for a year) instead of assuming you can get one on the cheap or by trading your best players (i.e., Boozer).
Camby is over the hill and not the defensive player he was a few years ago. Kaman is okay but he is not going to put up Boozer like numbers.
We need to keep what we have and add a good big, taller than Booz, who will defend, rebound and score. If we have to, then waive Collins or trade Almond for the big. That gives us the depth and the ability to match up with the best teams.
Ripping the heart out of the continuity by trading Boozer is stupid. We have played nobody so far and we lost a bunch of games to bad teams.
Let Miller pony up for a championship (rent a good big for a year) instead of assuming you can get one on the cheap or by trading your best players (i.e., Boozer).
magnus | 11:42 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
I figured this is the way this conversation would go. I used to think the same
way as those saying Millsap was no Boozer, but it you go back and look at this
year and average his numbers when he has played over 30 minutes and they are
impressive. I agree that he fouls too much and that he needs a little more work
on his jumper but I don't think size is the issue here.
Besides, the reason I think the Boozer/Camby trade would be so good is that you could move Memo back to PF. I would actually start Camby and Memo together and bring Millsap off the bench. Camby would average 25-30 min a night, Memo 30-35, Millsap 30-35. Also in case you hadn't noticed the Bynum Gasol front line is going to be a real problem for the Jazz right now, Camby and Memo would be a great matchup against that lineup.
Just my thoughts. I like Boozer I really do, but if he is going to walk at the end of the season the Jazz salary cap situation makes it difficult to replace him unless they also let Memo go.
Besides, the reason I think the Boozer/Camby trade would be so good is that you could move Memo back to PF. I would actually start Camby and Memo together and bring Millsap off the bench. Camby would average 25-30 min a night, Memo 30-35, Millsap 30-35. Also in case you hadn't noticed the Bynum Gasol front line is going to be a real problem for the Jazz right now, Camby and Memo would be a great matchup against that lineup.
Just my thoughts. I like Boozer I really do, but if he is going to walk at the end of the season the Jazz salary cap situation makes it difficult to replace him unless they also let Memo go.
Boot Camp | 11:44 a.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Is there a way to take K2 and Fez and put them into special training where they
play each other and perfect thier moves for 10 hrs a day. That added to game
films to enhance thier understanding of the system may get them ready faster.
Sitting on the bench does not help them or the team. Playing for the Flash did not do much for Almond or Fez. In fact it may have reinforced some bad habits.
Playing for the Flash might help K2 but I think he needs real NBA competition. Why not fix his problems as fast as possible. He needs to perfect his inside moves (playing Fez could really help on that) and he needs to understand the system better (intense game film may help). Fez needs to stop fouling and improve his shooting. Playing K2 would help.
If we know that Fez and K2 are not needed on any given night or road trip why not try the above approach so that they can contribute when they are needed later in the season?
Sitting on the bench does not help them or the team. Playing for the Flash did not do much for Almond or Fez. In fact it may have reinforced some bad habits.
Playing for the Flash might help K2 but I think he needs real NBA competition. Why not fix his problems as fast as possible. He needs to perfect his inside moves (playing Fez could really help on that) and he needs to understand the system better (intense game film may help). Fez needs to stop fouling and improve his shooting. Playing K2 would help.
If we know that Fez and K2 are not needed on any given night or road trip why not try the above approach so that they can contribute when they are needed later in the season?
akk | 12:02 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
What it comes down to is we cannot afford Boozer if he demands max money. The
better option is to trade him for a center who can be a defensive prescence plus
an expiring contract.... Milsap, Okur and Kirlinko can all play the 4. Okur is
not better than Boozer but the fact that he can play the 5 makes him more
valuable especially at a lower salary. Milsap is due a big raise and will be
worth the money.
@Boot Camp | 12:05 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
You are thinking today buddy!
Jazz Man | 12:11 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Boozer has the best footwork in the league, and i'll tell you guys that
millsap is learning from him. Boozer is also an allstar he draws attention on
offense and opens up the floor for everyone else. letting okur, millsap, brewer,
and cj, cut go back door get open and all that stuff. so even if he dosn't
do anything he is doing something and those kind of post players are hard to
come by.
jazzaddict | 1:06 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
does anybody remember that boozer cant guard anyone! he jogs up and down the
court, he cant block shots. who cares if Millsap cant score as much he makes up
for it in hustle on defense! did i mention Boozer wants 15 plus mill a year and
millsap will sign for close to 6 mill a year this is a no brainer people.
BoOoO | 2:50 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
This is just a really hard arguement. It really all depends on if Boozer WANTS
to stay or not. If he is planning on bolting, I think Kaman would be a great
fit. He is a Double-Double guy and a good defender. Reason I pick him over
Camby is because he is a better scorer + much younger. It would help open up
things for the shooters much like what Boozer does now. Not to mention Kaman is
much better at handling players like Duncan/Gasol/Bynum. But like I said it
really depends on Boozer. He is a fantastic player and would love to see him
stay. But if he is trying to jump off the boat, we need to trade him.
Insiders | 3:07 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Which one of you insiders is going to provide us with a solid piece of info
regarding Boozer's future plans. No innuendoes or suppositions mind
you...Something concrete. If you're a Boozer confidant, prove it! If you
can't make that happen, all you are is hot air!
@ Insiders | 5:35 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
He better plan to play defense if he truly wants a ring.
GoodGuyGary | 5:47 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
That is exactly what I am talking about BoOoO. Boozer is good to keep, only if
his heart is here. But everything indicates that he will jump off the boat.
While he is still somewhat valuable, we should trade him instead of having
nothing on had. Kaman is the man, not Camby as I said it before.
Miles | 6:35 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Lots of love for CJ in the posts today. Don't see AK's name.
Re GGG | 6:37 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Layout those "everything indicators " for us. No guesses, no rumors,
no heresay. You must be the insider we're looking for. If you know
something the rest of us don't, lets have it! My guess is, you've got
nothing.
magnus | 8:17 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
@ Insiders
Actually all we have to go on is Boozers track record and the Jazz financial situation, which frankly make a pretty good circumstantial case.
Fact: Boozer has little team loyalty, it's all about the $$$.
Fact: If the Jazz chose to keep Okur and pay Millsap they will already be on the edge of Luxury tax territory and over the cap.
Cleveland was in the same position when the Jazz stole Boozer from them, it's not rocket science.
@ GoodGuyGary & Bo0o0
Sure Kaman would be a better get but I was trying to be realistic. You don't think the Clippers know all the things that you just said? It just seems alot less likely that the Clippers would part with Kaman in a salary dump move.
Actually all we have to go on is Boozers track record and the Jazz financial situation, which frankly make a pretty good circumstantial case.
Fact: Boozer has little team loyalty, it's all about the $$$.
Fact: If the Jazz chose to keep Okur and pay Millsap they will already be on the edge of Luxury tax territory and over the cap.
Cleveland was in the same position when the Jazz stole Boozer from them, it's not rocket science.
@ GoodGuyGary & Bo0o0
Sure Kaman would be a better get but I was trying to be realistic. You don't think the Clippers know all the things that you just said? It just seems alot less likely that the Clippers would part with Kaman in a salary dump move.
Andre Kirilenko | 9:04 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Has alot of talent and ability, yet he is weaker than a cat. If he is even
brushed or bumped his shot veers of coarse or he loses the ball or gets knocked
out of the paint. The guy throws the ball away like a careless rooky.I really
appreciate his hustle and desire this year, but it would appear that he needs
more time in the weight room and a dietition like Aroujo had. We're losing
points in the 2nd and 4th quarters. From what I've seen C.J. and Brewer are
a good combination, we might have to go with it more.
rvalens2 | 10:20 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Re: Insiders
Hmm ... so you want some concrete reason as to why many of us purport to know what Boozer will do?
The man is as consistent as the 20/10 average he gets every night. He will follow the money.
How do I know?
Did you forget? Boozer did that last time when he dumped Cleveland for Utah?
He is going to demand MAX money. If the Jazz don't pay it, Carlos is as good as gone.
By trading Boozer, the Jazz can keep Okur and Millsap. Now imagine adding Kaman or Camby to that mix?
I'd love to see the Jazz keep Boozer. But they have already stated they do not want to exceed the salary cap.
I agree with Magnus best to get something in return for him now, rather then let him walk away later. The only way the Jazz can guarantee that is to trade him before the deadline.
Brewer, Miles, Price and Koufous are all looking great and improving. Okur, AK, Deron and Millsap are rock solid. Even Brevin has proven to be a breath of fresh air after Hart.
Trade bait: Boozer, Collins, Fesenko and Almond.
Hmm ... so you want some concrete reason as to why many of us purport to know what Boozer will do?
The man is as consistent as the 20/10 average he gets every night. He will follow the money.
How do I know?
Did you forget? Boozer did that last time when he dumped Cleveland for Utah?
He is going to demand MAX money. If the Jazz don't pay it, Carlos is as good as gone.
By trading Boozer, the Jazz can keep Okur and Millsap. Now imagine adding Kaman or Camby to that mix?
I'd love to see the Jazz keep Boozer. But they have already stated they do not want to exceed the salary cap.
I agree with Magnus best to get something in return for him now, rather then let him walk away later. The only way the Jazz can guarantee that is to trade him before the deadline.
Brewer, Miles, Price and Koufous are all looking great and improving. Okur, AK, Deron and Millsap are rock solid. Even Brevin has proven to be a breath of fresh air after Hart.
Trade bait: Boozer, Collins, Fesenko and Almond.
Jazzsmack | 10:55 p.m. Nov. 27, 2008
Trading Boozer for camby or kaman is a sidewards move.
If really want a chance to improve and get a realistic shot at the chamionship:
you trade boozer for another top notch player like star shooting guard, star small forward, or star center (not likely, but that's how boston and other champions did it.)
trade boozer in deal that will give you cap space (most likely, especially good if know there will be an outstading free agent available)
or trade for a top draft pick (somewhat likely, and really this needs to be a top five pick or better yet top three)
That's how it is done, you don't go after other mediocre players, or old players, or fragile players.
Remember, in trading boozer, you are building the nucleus for a championship team not just adding some depth.
If really want a chance to improve and get a realistic shot at the chamionship:
you trade boozer for another top notch player like star shooting guard, star small forward, or star center (not likely, but that's how boston and other champions did it.)
trade boozer in deal that will give you cap space (most likely, especially good if know there will be an outstading free agent available)
or trade for a top draft pick (somewhat likely, and really this needs to be a top five pick or better yet top three)
That's how it is done, you don't go after other mediocre players, or old players, or fragile players.
Remember, in trading boozer, you are building the nucleus for a championship team not just adding some depth.
GoodGuyGary | 1:06 a.m. Nov. 28, 2008
It is not like I don;t like Boozer's performance, but he won't stay!
Miller (Larry or Greg) will not pay two (maybe 3 if you count AK)max amount
since they don;t want to pay the luxury tax. Utah do not have the market for
them to do so. Also, where is Boozer's family? I am away from my family
now, and I can tell you, it is hard for anyway to work away fromt he family.
These are enough reason for Boozer to jump the boat.
Now, Kevin, please start working and get Boozer traded before you lose everything.
I think Kaman is a rgiht one since I don;t think he will need max money. Maybe 8M to 10M a year. Then resign Millsap for another 8M, so it is a 2 for 1 deal.
Now, Kevin, please start working and get Boozer traded before you lose everything.
I think Kaman is a rgiht one since I don;t think he will need max money. Maybe 8M to 10M a year. Then resign Millsap for another 8M, so it is a 2 for 1 deal.
Playoffs | 10:16 a.m. Nov. 28, 2008
Point well taken in regards to Boozer-- when he's on, he's a Top 5 PF.
The issue remains, he disappeared in the playoffs last season (he averaged 16
points on 41% shooting, as compared to 21 pts on 55% shooting in the regular
season). Meanwhile, Williams, Memo and Andre all scored at or above their reg.
season rate, and all around the same percentages from the floor. Don't get
me wrong here; I love Boozers game. He's an animal on the boards for a
"smaller" PF, and his ability to finish around the basket is
remarkable. The point is, we have a lot of good pieces on this team, and if the
option is losing Boozer in free agency vs. acquiring a (perhaps less talented)
big that will play hard in May, then the latter isn't a death knell for
this team.
magnus | 10:31 a.m. Nov. 28, 2008
@ Jazzsmack
Wow, I used to think you kind of understood basketball and how the game was played and that you just had this obsessions with a cookie cutter formula for winning a championship but I can see now that I was wrong.
You would really trade Boozer for a shooting guard?
And I'm sure that the Lakers trading for the "old" Gasol and the pistons trading for the "really old" Allen and Garnett totally ruined their chances of winning a championship.
I'm not sure what you are watching but I am sure that you have no idea how good the Jazz actually are right now. The lineup doesn't need to be blown up, just tweaked a little.
Teams that need a roster overhaul do not make the short list of NBA title contenders of most of the people who talk about basketball for a living.
Seriously, my respect for your opinion, way down right now.
Wow, I used to think you kind of understood basketball and how the game was played and that you just had this obsessions with a cookie cutter formula for winning a championship but I can see now that I was wrong.
You would really trade Boozer for a shooting guard?
And I'm sure that the Lakers trading for the "old" Gasol and the pistons trading for the "really old" Allen and Garnett totally ruined their chances of winning a championship.
I'm not sure what you are watching but I am sure that you have no idea how good the Jazz actually are right now. The lineup doesn't need to be blown up, just tweaked a little.
Teams that need a roster overhaul do not make the short list of NBA title contenders of most of the people who talk about basketball for a living.
Seriously, my respect for your opinion, way down right now.
BoOoO | 11:53 a.m. Nov. 28, 2008
Have to agree with Magnus on this, the shooting guard is the last position we
need to worry about. If there is a position to worry about, it's the
center. But more importantly we need to stay healthy. And then there is the
Boozer issue, which I know everyone has already heard (read) my opinion. We
need to make a move on it now before he bails. It's obvious Boozer wants
out, so lets get something for him while we can. *Cough* Kaman *Cough*
macnamara | 12:09 p.m. Nov. 28, 2008
Kaman didn't do anything to help Brand bring a title to the Clippers. What
will he bring to the Jazz that's any different?
magnus | 12:35 p.m. Nov. 28, 2008
Sorry about the Typo, meant Celtics not Pistons.
@ macnamara
Answer: The Jazz aren't the Clippers.
@ macnamara
Answer: The Jazz aren't the Clippers.
macnamara | 12:44 p.m. Nov. 28, 2008
Kaman isn't the Jazz Savior either.
BoOoO | 12:50 p.m. Nov. 28, 2008
He'll bring everything I already said (Top 5 shot blocker/20-10/Big
defensive presence). Not too mention a couple more years of experience. They
also didn't have a distributor like Deron on the clippers did they....?
BoOoO | 1:07 p.m. Nov. 28, 2008
We don't need a savior. And I'm not saying that he is the only
option. What I am saying that is that we need to make a move before we get
nothing.
Jazzsmack | 5:30 p.m. Nov. 28, 2008
RE: Magnus:
Maybe you should read what I wrote, a shooting guard was just one suggestion, history has show STAR shooting can do more for your team that high scoring powerfoward, that is, if want to win a championship.
Beside, I would trade boozer for ray allen and move brewer to small forward. You would have pretty good trio at the guard and small forward positions now wouldn't you?
If boozer is so great, an olympian and an allstar and all that, I think you should be able to do better than kaman, is he really any different than koufos or fes?.
Boston had to give up a pretty darn good young player in al jefferson for garnett who numbers last year were actually worse last than jefferson's, but they didn't give a lot for ray allen,
But lakers did not have to give much for Pau Gasol, But I think we should be able do as well orbetter with trading boozer, since booxer is so great.
I would not mind Camby at all but not for boozer, but if got something in addition like a 1st round draft pick or kaman then I would say have seriously consider it.
Maybe you should read what I wrote, a shooting guard was just one suggestion, history has show STAR shooting can do more for your team that high scoring powerfoward, that is, if want to win a championship.
Beside, I would trade boozer for ray allen and move brewer to small forward. You would have pretty good trio at the guard and small forward positions now wouldn't you?
If boozer is so great, an olympian and an allstar and all that, I think you should be able to do better than kaman, is he really any different than koufos or fes?.
Boston had to give up a pretty darn good young player in al jefferson for garnett who numbers last year were actually worse last than jefferson's, but they didn't give a lot for ray allen,
But lakers did not have to give much for Pau Gasol, But I think we should be able do as well orbetter with trading boozer, since booxer is so great.
I would not mind Camby at all but not for boozer, but if got something in addition like a 1st round draft pick or kaman then I would say have seriously consider it.
BigJazzFan | 6:08 p.m. Nov. 28, 2008
One thing that be pointed point out about the trade for Garnett:
Garnett is better at defense than jefferson, and garnett's team won the championship.
which again shows that defense from your bigmen, especially the power forward position, is more important than all points you get from them.
Yeah, trade boozer, just get something that can actually help win you a championship.
Garnett is better at defense than jefferson, and garnett's team won the championship.
which again shows that defense from your bigmen, especially the power forward position, is more important than all points you get from them.
Yeah, trade boozer, just get something that can actually help win you a championship.
magnus | 7:34 p.m. Nov. 28, 2008
@ Jazzsmack
Oh I read your whole post, read it twice in fact, just to be sure.
And you just confirmed my suspicions and my point again (not to mention contradicting yourself in the process) by saying you would trade Boozer for Allen.
BigJazzFan made another great point, no way the Celtics are near as tough as they are now if they had Jefferson instead of Garnett even though Jefferson is putting up ridiculous numbers right now, because that isn't what the Celtics needed, and it's not what the Jazz need either.
I have been talking about this since the end of last year, with the versatility of Memo and AK and the rise of Millsap, replacing Boozer with a defensive minded center like Camby or Chandler or Kaman or...(fill in solid defensive center here) would address the problems the Jazz have had defensively without hurting them too badly on the offensive end.
I highly doubt the Jazz make any sort of move this year but if they do I think going bigger and more defensive for Boozer makes the most sense.
Oh I read your whole post, read it twice in fact, just to be sure.
And you just confirmed my suspicions and my point again (not to mention contradicting yourself in the process) by saying you would trade Boozer for Allen.
BigJazzFan made another great point, no way the Celtics are near as tough as they are now if they had Jefferson instead of Garnett even though Jefferson is putting up ridiculous numbers right now, because that isn't what the Celtics needed, and it's not what the Jazz need either.
I have been talking about this since the end of last year, with the versatility of Memo and AK and the rise of Millsap, replacing Boozer with a defensive minded center like Camby or Chandler or Kaman or...(fill in solid defensive center here) would address the problems the Jazz have had defensively without hurting them too badly on the offensive end.
I highly doubt the Jazz make any sort of move this year but if they do I think going bigger and more defensive for Boozer makes the most sense.
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