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Williams delivers a home-court win for banged-up Jazz

Published: Thursday, Nov. 27 2008 12:16 a.m. MST

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magnus

How about that Paul Millsap. The guy is looking like he could put up Boozer type numbers in Boozer type minutes, and double boozers defensive effort at the same time. I have to be honest I didn't think he could do it, but he is making a believer out of me.

How good can the Jazz be with a healthy Boozer and Korver back in the lineup? What an awesome time to be a Jazz fan!!!

magnus

Ok, I am about to do something i usually don't like to do. but the idea hit me as I was pindering the rise of Millsap and I couldn't help but bounce it off some folks to see if I was crazy or not.

The Clippers suck this year, they are in rebuilding mode. Right now they have picked up Camby and Randolph to work with Kaman and it doesn't look like that situation is going to work out. So it got me thinking, if the Clippers wanted to make more changes and already accepted this season as a loss maybe they would be willing to take an expiring contract for one of those guys. I mean they clearly aren't smart in that front office so anything is possible right? So what about Boozer for Camby Straight up? Then we would have a three man frontline rotation of Camby (C) Memo (PF/C) and Millsap (PF).

I have to say that I love this idea, and I think if the chemistry was right the Jazz would be in much better shape against teams like LA and Boston, but I don't think it would ever happen.

Eugene

Jazz have shown moments of greatness without their "greats". All this can do is improve the whole team once everyone is healthy!

I always cheer on the back-ups who increase the lead while the starters are on the bench. Makes for a winning combination.

@magnus

Millsap is a tremendous player but has a size problem. This problem manifests itself in the fact that he commits the most fouls per minute in the NBA to the tune of more than 7 per 48 minutes. Since you foul out at 6, this means that he will always be limited in playing time and that his defense will take a hit when he reaches 5 fouls. If he could improve in that area, he really could be considered as a smaller feistier Boozer. I do love his play and attitude.

GoodGuyGary

I said it on the other news: trade Boozer and Collins for Kaman, if possible. Kaman is much better than Camby in my opinion since he is younger and less injuried.

Brosa

I think we need to remember that Boozer is undersized himself. When he plays longer players he struggles, he takes a lot more outside shots. Not to mention his inability to defend the taller longer players.

Jazzfan82

The reason Millsap commits more fouls is because he actually plays defense. If Boozer played defense like Millsap that slow reaching lazy no heart guy would be fouled out by halftime. If Millsap was our starting power forward he would learn to be careful with his fouls. At least Millsap can hold on to the ball that will save us 5 possessions a game. I agree if Millsap was the starter he would average 2 less points and 5 more rebounds a game plus give us some "D". Way better fit. The last time we went with a power forward from Louisiana Tech it worked out pretty good for us.

re:Magnus

With the way some of these younger players are starting to develop it seems we have plenty of offense. I like the idea of trading some offense for some DEFENSE IN THE PAINT. I have always liked Camby, I have always thought he was under rated. Even though Milsap is under sized he's a work horse man. If he fouls out then Memo or even Koufos could go the rest of the way. You might be on to something here.

How about the way we are starting out games with C.J. and Brewer in the line up together?

One game!

Wax euphoric if you choose but the facts are these. With 6 of our players in double figures and three of them over 20 pts each, Memphis played virtually NO defense. And by the way we gave up 100 points to a team that averages 95. They nearly matched our fast break numbers. They scored as many points in the paint as we did. Which would suggest that our defense wasn't much better. Remember the Grizz are 4 and 11 and there are reasons for that. Nice to get the win but call it a tuneup game against an inferior opponent and keep working......News flash people. We've got a long way to go b-4 we let Boozer walk!

Miles

We could get someone better than Camby for Boozer. There are plenty of team that are trying to clear cap space that would give up something for Boozer. If we know for sure that he is going to bolt? then we should trade him soon. But I am not convinced he is going to leave. Milsap is not better than Boozer. Sloan just needs to play him less minutes and TEACH him to play better defense with more energy. Same with Memo. Less minutes, more intensity when on the court. Sloan needs to use his bench more to produce better defensive results.

Playoffs

We have Booz for the rest of the season (I can't see a trade unless someone really great falls in our laps) so the proof will be in the pudding. If he actually shows up in the playoffs, Larry H. will surely pay the man his money. If not, we have a pretty nice player in Milsap, who I believe could be a starter in this league for quite a few teams. Not a bad position to be in... There's no doubt Boozer has the game, the question is, does he have the heart?

Tommy Hoagaard

Who is this Milsap? Why have I not seen him before? The last time a saw a man rebound like that was in 1983. His name was Moses. This man they call Milsap reminds me of him but 4 inches shorter. Hey can probably get em all bucked!

This Ronnie Brewer is an aweful lot like Dominique Wilkins. I told B Russ and Kevin Garnet that two years ago. Now Bolderjacks and Ron Boones are also realizing this. They called him the High-Lite real last night. If I remember right Nique was referred to as "The Human High-Lite Film." Add a little D'Will or Ronnie Price along with CJ Miles (& Milsap picking up all the garbage that is left over and slamming it home) and you have the Deseret Dunk Fest. I don't know if this is against the law or not but it sure looks fun. I have never seen this many Dunkers on the floor at the same time. The only thing that evn comes close is the late 80's with Jordan and Orlando Woolridge on the Bulls. It seems like the mid 80's Down in Phoenix there was a man they called Larry or Jim Nance.

you're all from another planet

I am one of Paul Millsap's biggest fans, but let me tell you, HE IS NOT CARLOS BOOZER! Millsap has shown this year that he usually cannot put up Booz like numbers and Booz like minutes. Yes, he did last night--heck he looked amazing last night-- but who was guarding him? Usually a rookie or Darko... Seriously!
Carlos is one of the most skilled bigmen scorers in the game, and when he and Deron are healthy, the shooting of CJ and Memo, and the slashing of Brewer will create a high powered offense that might average 108 pts ler game! Just think of the room teams will have to give Deron and Booz to operate... or CJ gets a three, Memo gets a three, ro Ronnie gets a dunk.
The Jazz and the Lakers will meet in the Western Confrence Finals... if the Jazz can get healthy in the next ten games

Re Playoffs

I'm asking myself, did anyone question Williams' heart when he was injured and out. And for those who think Boozer is nothing without DWill, why are Carlos' numbers this year the same as always when they haven't played together yet.

I agree

I'm also a huge milsap fan, and i think the opinions here are accurate. I would be surprised if milsap could put up 20 a night at the pf, because he is undersized although his heart makes him 7ft tall. The offense runs through booz on the low post, since millsap does nothing but surprise people, it wouldn't be unheard of to think that he could do boozers job, however millsap might not be as effective as a point of focus. boozer is a point of focus and he still handles the pressure of that situation. I've kind of given up that booz will be a great d player. It's thanksgiving, at this point, i'd be grateful if booz would box out after every shot, talk about fundementals? But trade booz? For real, and camby? It's an interesting idea, for about 10 seconds, somebody needs to get back on their medication. I'd like to see booz's jersey hanging from the rafters someday.

Case

All of you Boozer head cases need to stop the trade talk. Boozer is a top 5 PF. He plays defense when he needs to, unless he has a lot of fouls. He is to short against the big front lines and SAP is shorter.

Camby is over the hill and not the defensive player he was a few years ago. Kaman is okay but he is not going to put up Boozer like numbers.

We need to keep what we have and add a good big, taller than Booz, who will defend, rebound and score. If we have to, then waive Collins or trade Almond for the big. That gives us the depth and the ability to match up with the best teams.

Ripping the heart out of the continuity by trading Boozer is stupid. We have played nobody so far and we lost a bunch of games to bad teams.

Let Miller pony up for a championship (rent a good big for a year) instead of assuming you can get one on the cheap or by trading your best players (i.e., Boozer).

magnus

I figured this is the way this conversation would go. I used to think the same way as those saying Millsap was no Boozer, but it you go back and look at this year and average his numbers when he has played over 30 minutes and they are impressive. I agree that he fouls too much and that he needs a little more work on his jumper but I don't think size is the issue here.

Besides, the reason I think the Boozer/Camby trade would be so good is that you could move Memo back to PF. I would actually start Camby and Memo together and bring Millsap off the bench. Camby would average 25-30 min a night, Memo 30-35, Millsap 30-35. Also in case you hadn't noticed the Bynum Gasol front line is going to be a real problem for the Jazz right now, Camby and Memo would be a great matchup against that lineup.

Just my thoughts. I like Boozer I really do, but if he is going to walk at the end of the season the Jazz salary cap situation makes it difficult to replace him unless they also let Memo go.

Boot Camp

Is there a way to take K2 and Fez and put them into special training where they play each other and perfect thier moves for 10 hrs a day. That added to game films to enhance thier understanding of the system may get them ready faster.

Sitting on the bench does not help them or the team. Playing for the Flash did not do much for Almond or Fez. In fact it may have reinforced some bad habits.

Playing for the Flash might help K2 but I think he needs real NBA competition. Why not fix his problems as fast as possible. He needs to perfect his inside moves (playing Fez could really help on that) and he needs to understand the system better (intense game film may help). Fez needs to stop fouling and improve his shooting. Playing K2 would help.

If we know that Fez and K2 are not needed on any given night or road trip why not try the above approach so that they can contribute when they are needed later in the season?

akk

What it comes down to is we cannot afford Boozer if he demands max money. The better option is to trade him for a center who can be a defensive prescence plus an expiring contract.... Milsap, Okur and Kirlinko can all play the 4. Okur is not better than Boozer but the fact that he can play the 5 makes him more valuable especially at a lower salary. Milsap is due a big raise and will be worth the money.

@Boot Camp

You are thinking today buddy!

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