Comments about ‘LDS aid for Prop. 8 scrutinized’

Mr. Karger, in the Californians Against Hate website, editorializes, "In its quest to show the Catholics, Christians, Evangelicals and other religions that it has the money and power to take over these hateful campaigns . . . ."

Sounds like they aren't against hating the Church and Mormons.

Well, Maybe the church should be paying tax on their money Then they can say and do exactly as they like without restriction. Maybe a good idea along time coming.

Sounds like Californians Against Hate is not against a little Mormon hating, huh?

the church didn't use it's own money in the campaign. The members donated their own money for it. I guess we should tax the church because it's members donated their own money for prop. 8? Ya, that makes sense....

investigating the churches that opposed Prop. 8? If supporters of Prop. 8 are going to be held accountable for their activities, then it only stands to reason that opponents of Prop. 8 would have to be held to the same standard.

It is well documented that many organizations including churches gave to the say no to 8 campaign, it should only be fair that they should receive the same treatment,, but we all know that won't happen.

The 6:49 commentator does not understand what the issue is at hand. CAH is not alleging that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints violated its tax exempt status by participating in the campaign. They are alleging that the Church of Jesus Christ violated California campaign laws by failing to report all its political expenditures.
Many of the things they claim the church did, such as busing people into California to participate in the campaign and setting up phone banks in Utah and Idaho are 100% lies, since such things were not done.
In the case of the falsely alleged Utah and Idaho phone banks there is the added question of how California law can regulate what people do in Utah and Idaho.
The main point of the CAF compliant is to paint a picture of the Church bringing people from outside to participate in the campaign. The fact that this did not happen will never recieve as much press as the allegation it did, and so CAF will achieve its real purpose of maligning the Church of Jesus Christ even though it will fail in its actual complaint before the elections body.

This is just another form of attack by the Gay agenda.
They can go ahead and investigate, no wrong doing occured. Members are allowed to contribute to any cause they wish. Just as the no on 8 side contributed. They raised more money than the yes side did and if you think that none of that money came from supporters out of state(California) then you would be wrong.
It is time for the foot stomping to stop and time to sit down and act like grownups and come to a peaceful solution where both sides rights are protected. Both sides have the right to believe what they will, Gay people already have the rights they seek, If it is the matter of a word, then come to a solution but no church should be forced to accomodate a practice that is contrary to their beliefs. Let them marry, there will be clergy that will marry them but let churches that do not want to perform these marriages have their rights as well. We have Gay marriage here in Canada and noone has forced any church to marry them. There are enough Gay churches to do the job. Behave yourselves!

The church has a obligation to carry out and they did just that. As it came directly from God then nothing can or will stop it.

Maybe we in California can get a do not knock list for homes. This would keep us from having hate groups come to our homes.

I am the original "Californian" here. Anyone else using the name "Californian" is not me.

Does anyone truly think the Church leadership is stupid enough to make a mistake like this? With the brilliant legal, financial, and management minds among the top leaders, any official action that represents the Church is going to be carefully considered, scrutinized, reconsidered, and rescrutinized before it is ever actually done.

Surely Mr, Karger knows that many Church leaders were successful executives and other high achievers in education, science, government, and other fields. One of the anti-Mormons' favorite criticisms is that the leadership is elitist and has too many well-to-do, successful people. Well, duh, it's not because they are rich or successful, but because they have shown diligent stewardship over time, resources, and people. Does Mr. Karger think they're going to stumble over something so obvious?

This is not a good-faith request for an investigation. He knows no wrongdoing will be found. He is just making a statement, trying to drag through Church through the mud and making the government his accomplice.

It will be interesting to see if the news media will cover the story with the same relish, once the church is thoroughly cleared of any wrong-doing, and the charges are found to be totally without merit.

Of course it will not get the same coverage, that would not be as sensationalistic.

It seems that the LDS church headquarters would welcome such an investigation. The LDS church well understands the laws surrounding it's tax exempt status, and limitations of campaigning. And it has always been honest in all of it's dealings. The results will be a vindication of any wrongdoing in Proposition 8 support by the church.

But, as has been pointed out, the news media will not find near the pleasure of publishing this, as they do of the sensational claims of the homosexual agenda group.

I would love to see the LDS Church get nailed to the wall on this!

Anonymous, you don't know what you're talking about.

It is a Constitutional issue here, all moral issues aside for a moment, it has ramifications way beyond just allowing gays to marry. Once you open the can of worms, other issues follow, such as being sued for refusing to perform gay marriages and losing licensing for adoption agencies and marriages. THIS is what the LDS Church and other churches take issue with.

re: Anonymous | 1:06 p.m.
Your comments are very embarrassing to many homosexual men who dont see how Gay hate translates into tolerance.

Everything you said is made up propaganda that has been distorted. Cite a few law cases... which you can't.

to jackie @ 2:15
I totally agree with you, that is what I am trying to express. The rights of churches must be protected. That is what I said in my post. I just think that it is time for all the nonsense to stop, no more violence and name calling. It is counterproductive. Gay marriage or unions or whatever is going to happen, we live in an immoral world it seems, where wrong is right and right is wrong (at least according to them).