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BYU football: Coach, team come to Hall's defense

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AK Cougar | 12:12 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Thanks Max for a great and exciting season. We will be behind you and rooting for your success and the team's success in the bowl game.

The thing about Football is we have next year to look forward to and this season to reflect on. There are many teams that wish they had gone 10 - 2 in the regular season.
RETURN | 12:19 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Max will live with this everyday until next year. Although humbled tonight, he will return next year with renewed passion.

He will return next season as a more poised, skillful leader. The team will be loaded next year with both TCU and UTAH at home.

The first practice for the bowl will mark the first practice for next year. Whomever gets the Cougars in the bowl game will meet a highly motivated, focused team.
Coin Collector | 12:24 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
..... Max is still throwing picks ....

The Utes achieved the Zoob quest, and they did it without coins... weird....
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Hall is no Beck | 12:48 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Max Hall folds like a newspaper under pressure. Max Hall hasn't reached the point of John Beck where he can cooly direct a team under hostile and pressure defence. Hall implodes whereas Beck showed leadership. Maybe another year of maturity and coaching will bring him to that level but he sure ain't there yet. Hall STUNK it up against TCU and Utah and for BYU it's back to the drawing board with their QB.
Heisman? | 1:17 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Well, unfortunately Max probably won't win the Heisman this year. Big 12 has some solid QBs. But he's got to easily be the frontrunner for the Heisman next year! Go Cougs! Let's get 'em in vegas!
Hey Kuugs... | 1:21 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Paul Kreuger is still open!

[Oh, I'll never tire of that.]
Hall is improving | 1:28 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
As easy as it is to criticize Max Hall, there is no question that he could mature to John Beck's level by next season. I've even seen an increase in his maturity from last year to this year. He really hasn't had to face a lot of adversity, and so to experience a game like this, for him, will be good for his character. As far as pressure is concerned, I was really impressed at the O-line and how they did against a talented, athletic Utah defensive front, just as a side note. They CERTAINLY learned from the TCU game.
Re: Hall is no Beck | 1:32 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
I guess that 4th and 18 from last year just wasn't very clutch then, right?
off the band wagon | 1:34 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
well it was fun while it lasted but it is time to jump back off the BYU band wagon. Tired of Bronco and all his Steven Covey power of positive thinking fireside chat. Expect BYU to slip back into the Gary Crowton style medocity for 2009 but I think as long as the program gets 8+ wins a season that is good enough. At least the pre-game firesides are good even if they players aren't.
Root Cause to better Execution | 1:40 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Max Hall's performance wasn't about leadership, folding under pressure, or Utah confusing him.

-Hall telegraphs where he is going to throw because he makes up his mind who he is going to throw to @ the snap. Watch his head, he never looks off the receiver that he wants to throw too (for the most part Austin Collie). That may work against the UNLVs of the world, but it doesn't work against BCS caliber teams as TCU and Utah exposed.

-A byproduct of Hall watching only the side of the field where he want's to throw is that he fails to see defenders moving into his intended target area from the opposite side of the field.

-Hall has got to:
1. See the whole field AFTER the snap and acquire his receiver after the snap. 2. Be humble enough to know that this issue is not a question of trying harder, or just "executing" better. Hall has to make this transition to move from a GOOD QB to become a GREAT QB.
3. If Hall has problems acquiring receivers after the snap, then the BYU offense has to be scaled back to it's early 2007 form accordingly.
enough excuses | 1:42 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
No defense for Max Hall's pathetic performances against both TCU and Utah. Come on, the kid stunk it up in both games and took his team out of the game with int's and fumbles. Hall needs a ways to grow before I consider him to be a complete college QB. Oh and if Max get's rattled having little ole Utah in his face how will he ever impress anyone at next years NFL combine where the standard is tight man to man defense? As far as I'm concerned Max will be the real deal when he beats a quality team with a winning record. Anybody can throw 20 td's against San Deigo or Wyoming.
Ouch | 1:52 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Lets face it, alot of the blame for this game can fall squarely on the normally awesome Max Halls shoulders. Throw out those six turnovers and BYU wins. I don't think that he can say that was a "team effort".

On the bright side, he was named Utah's MVP!

Seriously though..

Austin Collie and Harvy Unga were studs in this game, and I'm sure that Hall will redeem himself next year!
Keep your head up | 2:10 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Well Max you had a tough game. Going in to this one I don't think anyone would have predicted this, but you just have to focus on what is ahead. At least you get another shot at them next year!!

In the end at least you know there is more to life than football. I know you didn't stick your mission through but hopefully you at least learned that. Your teammates know that and can handle losing with grace. Good for Jan Jorgensen. That kid is a stud!
Im a BYU fan | 2:11 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Congrats UTAH!!! I am a huge BYU fan but I am sick and tired of the pathetic defense that has been displayed over the past 15 years, even when the Great LaVell was there. Our DB's are terrible. #16 got beat time and time again and never got pulled. FIRE Bronco for having a poor defense. It is nobody's fault but his!!!

Max Hall is a great QB against poor to average teams. Against great teams, he is brutal. Not only did he have 6 TO's, he had 6 balls batted down.

Collie is a stud. Good thing we had him. Would love to see him suit up for Utah in the BCS Bowl Game! AH

Great job Utah Utes. Do this state proud.
BYU Fan in Idaho | 2:23 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
I couldn't agree more with Hall is no Beck. Hall imploded tonight. Not only did he have 6 turnovers, he had a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty after one interception, he also had several passes that should have been picked off. He said that last year he was too fired up and that is why he didn't play so well in the Utah game. What was his problem this year? Frankly, I am so upset with BYU loss (because they had the talent to beat the Utes) that I am wishing that Bronco would turn the offense over to another quarterback. But, that is not going to happen. All I have left is to hope that Max Hall will mature and improve and this won't happen again next year. Right now, I don't have allot of faith in Max Hall and his ability to overcome his faults.
Harline | 3:52 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Harline or Collie are open, but it doesn't matter because 11 red jerseys are open and they can all catch too. The Zoobs were taken behind the shed and got a good old fashioned whooping by big brother.
Recent Cougar Fan | 4:23 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
I like sports and player football and when my daughter received a scholarship to BYU decided to attend my first game there. I came away knowing that the team had talent but the no huddle disorganization on the offense and the 3 man line on the defense would be their Achilles heel.

Utah realized that Hall like Peyton Manning would try and alter plays at the line. They effectively changed their sets at the last second and flustered Hall into being out of rythm.

The only way Hall overcomes this is if Mendenhall changes his system on both sides of the ball. I also agree that Hall is not the same as Beck under pressure. But, I say again that if the system changes then he will be better as the quarterback.
byu fan | 6:29 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
sorry, but as a byu fan i'll be the first to admit that hall had a horrible mental game today. but blame it on the coaches too. utah saw they could get their hands and block passes right and left. the byu coaches had no response. but either way, hall makes some really bad decisions. and he has all season. he's up and down frankly. hopefully next year he matures a little more. he could still be a good one.
No Adversity | 6:49 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Last season nobody new who the starting quarterback would be untill Kade Cooper got injured. Max had to battle for his job and that can be very motivating. If you dont have anybody with a snowballs chance of taking your spot, you dont have to work as hard. Im not saying Max Hall did that, but I am saying we saw a more efficient quarterback last season. I think he needs to find it again. Put in the film time to be the best. They were his mistakes against Utah and TCU, and he should shoulder the blame, it will make him better in the future. He should study game film and learn how to read man defenses better. But what do I know. Without the turnovers BYU takes the lead in the third quarter. Without the turnovers he doesnt put his D in short field situations. The D-fence did their job. They were supposed to be the Y's acheles. Just as I thought, the game was won when BYU had the ball. Whoever won that matchup would win the game. And they did. Good luck in the BCS game Utes.
Go Utes! | 7:18 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
I think you have to give the Utes credit for creating turnover situations and then capitalizing on them.
Meaningless | 7:50 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Everyone talks about Max Halls great numbers, but they are meaningless. BYU has only played 3 teams with a winning record (utah, TCU, Air Force), and Max stunk in 2 of them. It shows that Max isn't that good, and just puts up big numbers against horrible teams. ....Meaningless
Fred | 8:02 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
You guys kill me, sit at home on your computer and beat up on a college kid who had a real bad game yesterday. I am sure with your TIVO you were able to rewind and see exactly what and where he should have thrown the ball. I also love the lets get rid of Bronco crowd, 10-2 not to bad. Bronco and his staff have forgotten more football than you folks will ever know. Bronco is trying to build a program, the way it should be done, especially if you are the coach at BYU. Part of life is getting knocked down from time to time, the key is getting up and battling another day. That is the premise that the BYU football program is built on, they will get up (they already have) and they will battle to be better. The Quest is not a destination, it is a journey, what happened yesterday is part of Bronco's Quest, what happens Monday when the team gets together will be the next step in the quest, read what Jan Jorgenson had to say and maybe you will understand. Congratulations Utah, you deserve the Championship, and the BCS Bowl.
Denvercougar | 8:12 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Here is a quote from Hall," "I take a lot of the responsibility," Hall said. "Man, I think our guys played hard. We just made mistakes. . . . I take the bulk of [the blame], but it is a team effort and we just got to regroup." He says, "We just made mistakes...it is a team effort". I just lost a ton of respect for Hall. The word Max is I not we. The team played well enough to win and you let them down. The team has no reason to regroup. They played well, you didn't and only you. He was not pressured hardly at all and was never sacked. I thought Hall was a leader. I at least thought he would man up and take the blame like a man and he didn't. That is a disgrace to not only his team but to himself as a man. Max you are a dissapointment! Be a man and take responsibility for your play! Congrats Utah!
NYC Ute | 8:19 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
I for one am still impressed with Hall, Unga, Collie, and Jorgen, Mendenhall, et all. They are all important parts of an excellent squad. So Hall had a bad day - it can happen, and when it does against a very good team, things can go bad in a hurry. I think that the Y responds next year and maybe gets its BCS birth. Max Hall is no John Beck is no Jim McMahon is no John Elway blah blah blah. Hall is a very good QB and will be back.
Grant | 8:31 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Hall
Tough game, but that doesn't erase all the great stuff you did this season. You're our QB and we support you. Let's beat the snot out of a whatever Pac-10 team we play in our bowl.

Me and my roommates
WinSum | 8:48 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Utah played a great game on both sides of the ball...they truly deserve and earned the Conference title.

BYU had a great year but has had weaknesses exposed under pressure. Max Hall will do just fine....

I remember (actually visiting with Marc Wilson, long ago Cougar....) who threw 6 TD's one week and 6 interceptions @ Wyo. the next....his perspective was great..."I found it difficult to pass a football through a brown jersey.

Max had the same problem last night with red.

Relax fans on both sides: You WinSum, You lose some.
Sour note | 8:54 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
As usual Utah fans put a little negative side on a great effort and great win by their normal uncivilized behavior before, during and after the game. For most Ute fans it's not about football, it's about having the chance to let go all of the hate they have inside and act like fools. Congrats to the team. It's just sad that a lot of Utah fans can perform equally admirable.
The real problem | 8:59 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008

in last night game was...there were too many "opens" especially the ones in red. That confused Maxie.
Seriously, hype of Maxie is Heisman material is as real as "Quest for Perfection". You don't talk until you can walk the talk.
It's good BYU can play | 9:05 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Defense with their mouths, because they sure couldn't play it on the most important place . . . the field:)

Max is not accustomed to pressure but why would he be, other than TCU (who destroyed him) Max has not faced pressure all year. Funny things is the game should have been worse, UTAH DROPPED THREE PERFECT INT THROWNS by Maxie, hilarious.

GO UTES!!!
Bob in line | 9:05 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
For those who mock Mendenhall and how he coaches, you are out of line.

If you recall, he came into a team that was decimated in many ways. Do you recall several players being suspended and criminally charged for rape? Do you remember the other players and drunk driving? Thefts?

BYU went from Lavell Edwards to complete chaos under Gary Crowton. Mendenhall inherited a team that was completely lost, recruiting was a mess and two or three consecutive losing seasons. He not only needed to win games but more importantly field a team capable of living BYU's Honor Code, which is the strictest in the nation.

Let me see, Utah went from Ron McBride (great coach and program) to Urban Meyer (better coach and program) then to your current coach.

BYU has not had such a nice transition between three tremendous coaches and programs.

Mendenhall has done an incredible job and I applaud him for it. He get's his team focused and on the same page. And if you worry that he uses "gimmicks" please stick to flipping burgers because the corporate world (I consult for a dozen of them) use these "gimmicks" daily for the same reason Mendenhall does.
Look back at the UCLA Game | 9:21 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Hall had 4 throws that UCLA defenders just flat out didn't grab; in their hands, and not hard to catch.

We weren't seeing a different Max Hall last night. Utah coaches and defenders watched the tape and plainly knew that Hall can't check off his receivers.

And Utah's man coverage gave him fits because they were pretty well covered. Given his difficulty checking off covered receivers, he forced at least 11 balls.

He did the same thing at Utah State, only they used double coverage to pick off Hall 3 times.

On the Cougar fan boards they're calling Hall a 'headcase.'

Maybe they're right.
true blue | 9:24 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
All I want is a good game, and this one was a good game for the majority of it. That last quarter just stunk. When it rains it pours. I'm not worried about hall. He'll be fine. This game was a blip on the screen.

That being said we could've run the ball on them more
mj | 9:29 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Looking outside in, BYU was the better team; they were able to move the ball on basic boring plays. Utah just had a lot of trick plays and took advantage of the BYU mistakes; Utah doesn't have the speed as a BCS school and they barely beat New Mexico. Put Utah against Texas Tech (who got beat by OK)and Tech will have an easy game because of their speed.
C | 9:48 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Look at the bright side. Since Hall had this bad game he won't go pro this year.
byublue | 9:48 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
When a qb is as obviously as flustered as Hall was, maybe a few more running plays would be in order next time.
Hall was terrible | 9:51 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
He needs to earn his spot as the starter next year. He is a hot headed QB with a great arm and not enough mental toughness. He let his team down and fans. Instead of taunting the Utah fans prior to the game, he should have kept the yapper closed and focused.

sincerely, BYU fan
ps Fui was incredible, so why didn't we run the ball more?
Cougarguy | 9:52 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Folks who want to beat up on Hall are missing 90% of what happened. Because there are 10 other guys out there on offence who couldn't get open. And 11 other guys out there on defense who couldn't stop Utah from getting quick, easy scores after every turnover. Utah receivers were open by a mile most the night. Folks who say that "Hall is bad" miss the point that this year Utah is really good. Better than our guys unfortunitly. But being 10-2 and headed for a bowl game is a very, very good season. Not as good as Utah's--but we'll get them in Provo next year and seek our revenge, and do it WITH HALL AT QB! Go Cougars!
Blue UTE | 9:59 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Good job Utah your Coaching staff pregame prep was FANTASTIC. I am a true blue COUGAR who has a U of U diploma and was simply amazed at the masterful game plan and player fallow through and execution, GOOD WIN. The Mountain West is sending the best team to bust the BCS go UTES from a BLUE UTE.... Oh yes people get ahold of your prejudice and bigotry, to heckle for fun is one thing, but to HATE WOW life is to short....
UTAH MOOSE | 10:01 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
This UTE grad AND track man from '56, who lives in Texas, sends congratulations for a great win over a great school. I look forward going to the bowl game where ever it is. Louisiana is fine with me. GO UTES.
JMT | 10:01 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Let me add a voice of strong support for Max Hall. He is a very good quarterback who will get better.

This game will be seen as a massive growing experience both as a person and a quarterback.

And while so many BYU fans are ready to dump on Max Hall it is sad that you do not give a massive dose of credit to that Utah defense!!

You mock Hall by saying he is great when he plays bad teams. You shouldn't mock him for it but recognize that he played a very solid and deep defense yesterday and STILL put 24 points on the board!! He really improved since TCU and showed he is getting better and better.

Utah is a great team lead by their defense, which is how champions should win it all: Defense!!

I think the world of Max Hall and if you are reading this, my whole family wishes you the best, thanks you for the fun of watching/listening this year and look forward to a bowl win this year and an encore next year.

To Utah, congratulations and as die-in-the-wool Cougar, I'll be rooting for you in the BCS. Great program!

Go-BYU!!
Whoa Nellie | 10:09 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
You all need to print Fred's comments and put them on your refrigerator door where you can see them 20 or 30 times a day. Thanks Fred for the most truthful comments on this board.

Denvercougar, please don't tell your friends and especially not your family that you secretly cheer for the Cougars because you are clearly not a fan of BYU. Yes, Hall made some bad mistakes but too bad you did not see the game last night. If you had seen it you would not write such idiotic comments like, "He was not pressured hardly at all and was never sacked."
ATC | 10:14 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
I can find a couple good things from this loss. it will motivate the team next year to seek revenge, and with only a couple key players leaving it will be easier, especially against a new Utah quarterback, who didn't see that much time this season.
Henry Drummond | 10:44 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
BYU has had a strategy of "scheduling down" as a way of rebuilding their program and getting fans back in their seats. The trouble with that approach is what you saw in the TCU and Utah games. You can get away with a lot when you're playing a hapless team like Washington or Utah State or some FCS team. When you go up against a top ranked defense such as TCU's or Utah's those things just don't work.

Max was throwing long passes into double coverage when a defender was right on top of his receiver. He easily could have been picked off more than he was. Utah was also collapsing the pocket around him and he still tried to make the play rather than throwing the ball away or taking a sack. All you're going to do with that strategy against real opposition is embarrass yourself.

I think the real "return to glory" will only come once BYU starts scheduling some better teams again and learns how to play up to their level rather than fooling themselves into thinking how good they are because they are beating up on inferior opponents.
Anonymous | 10:47 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
So WHO do you blame??

I though BJ was the one who was supposed to crumble under pressure! Glad Max decided to take his services to the TDS.

Can't wait for next year's game!
BlueBoy | 11:13 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Forget it. We're stuck with Max-I another year. He'll find a way to look like a deer in headlights again a few times--usually against really good defenses, like TCU and Utah have. Seems to be in Max-I's DNA.

I'm sure some of BYU's non-conference competition next year will have learned how to defend Max from those two games. They shouldn't be lollipops like Washington and UCLA were this year. Although, for some weird reason, that seems to keep happening to BYU. Schedule great teams, then get them on down years when your own team is on an up year. No bang for the buck.

I'm really more disappointed in the lack of use of the RBs than in how badly Max played. That's directly on Anae's shoulders, and to an extent, Bronco's for not realizing how little Anae uses his best talents. Harvey's never disappointed the way Hall has. So why is Hall featured more in the offense? Dumb!

Congrats to Utah for bringing the BCS dollars into the MWC. About the only consolation in BYU's loss.
UTE FAN RESPECTS HALL | 11:14 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
I am a Ute but I sure respect Max Hall. He had a very bad game but this guy is a great QB and there have been many times this season when I would have traded Hall for BJ straight up. Last night BJ played awesome and Hall didn't, but I still think very highly of this guy.
Hey Henry | 11:39 a.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Better teams like the worse Michigan team in 100 years? Get over yourself. I hope you guys play a real BCS team this time and not some cupcake like Pitt. That was a joke. By the way...you guys still don't have a national title.
Anonymous | 12:07 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
"...don't blame Hall because of his leasdership..."
such as a dumb personal foul, and Haka fights.
BYU DEFENSE | 12:31 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Absolutely terrible.
U D | 12:39 p.m. Nov. 23, 2008
Hall didn't play that bad. The U D played that well.

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